IMHO - just caught up. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that expressed gratitude for your contributions was expected. I thought that the comment and the implied compliment would suffice. So thank you, and I apologize for the wrongful neglect.

Posted by inmyhumbleopinion July 1, 2006 03:47 PM cib posted: Somewhat Chunky: One of the best most astute posts I've seen on these threads. I'm surprised IMHO didn't pick up on it, since she is pretty obsessive about this case. Busy chasing the little IMHOrugrats around the couch, I suppose. I don't have rugrats to chase around the couch. I wish I did. I'm sure the men and women who read and comment here who do care for their little ones will appreciate that their doing so is your idea of fodder for an insult.

That was not meant as an insult- I actually found the mental picture rather cute and funny. Too bad you took offence at the funny part, and overlooked my REAL jab at you which involved Chunky noting something you had not. But hey, caring for kids takes time, and now that we know you have none -and I'll actually wish you luck with that b/c you "wish you did"- we don't know the reason you missed that discrepancy. Hey, I also called you "obsessed". If you want to get p*ssed at me, at least get pi**ed for what I did do, and not what you merely think I did.

proceeded to the livingroom, led by Dan to do our show. There were about 20-25 young guys who were all sitting down.

how do i know this? simple, if there were a smoking gun, we'd have heard about it already, from someone (i've not forgotten you IMHO!). that we haven't tells me, without a smidgeon of doubt, that it doesn't exist.

Thanks for the update on Duke's troubles of late, imho. Is there a particular point you are trying to make with your article reference?

I'm sure a pro could enahnce this better than I, but that's what I see.

Sources associated with the lacrosse players legal team tell ABC News that they believe the photos to be authentic. They say it would be extremely difficult to falsify the time imprint and other recording data from the digital camera used to take the photos. They also cite corroborating evidence that includes a zoomed-in image of one player's wristwatch: The time on his watch matches the time of the digital imprint.

Durham attorney Bill Thomas said some of the photographs, taken when she arrived at the house, indicate the woman was injured before getting to the party March 13. They show extensive bruises and scrapes on her legs, especially around the knees, he said.

The photographs show the accuser has bruises and cuts on her arms, legs and feet," Cheshire said. "These are visible at the very start of the dance.

Medical records and interviews...revealed the victim had signs, symptoms, and injuries consistent with being raped and sexually assaulted vaginally and anally. Furthermore the SANE nurse stated the injuries and her behavior were consistent with a traumatic experience.

PIP: A study was undertaken to clarify the concept of coitus-induced change in vaginal flora. Instead, evidence was found on the relation between vaginal flora and sperm survival. The presence of spermatozoa was recorded in 300 Pap smears of menstruant women taken within 7 days of, and in the same menstrual cycle as, coitus...[etc]

I've answered the question of Kim looking Finnerty in the eye quite a while back, before SomewhatChunky's comment. You obviously don't have to be anywhere near the same height as another person to look them "right in the eyes." Have you ever looked a child right in the eyes? Did you have to get on your knees or all fours to do it? I've noticed that Collin is quite a bit taller than his father, but when they are seated they are shoulder to shoulder. Collin's height appears to be in his legs. He may have been seated when Kim looked him "right in the eyes." from Kim's handwritten statement: proceeded to the livingroom, led by Dan to do our show. There were about 20-25 young guys who were all sitting down. In the line up transcript the accuser mentions someone sitting in "the front row" while they were dancing. I wonder if Finnerty was sitting in the back row where he his height wouldn't be apparent and his long legs may have been obscured? Maybe all she could see was that skinny neck and baby face.

n the rugrats comment - I'll let the parents of small children decide if that was the first "cute and funny" comment you've ever posted about me, or if it was part of your "REAL jab."

I've noticed that Collin is quite a bit taller than his father, but when they are seated they are shoulder to shoulder. Collin's height appears to be in his legs. He may have been seated when Kim looked him "right in the eyes."

Who here thinks I hate parents of small children or small children themselves? Anyone?

Roberts said Thursday she does not remember Seligmann's face, but said she recalls seeing Finnerty whom she described as the "little skinny one." "I was looking him right in the eyes," she said.

The players' attorneys have said their clients were angry and demanded a refund when the women stopped dancing, but Roberts disputed that. "They ripped themselves off when they started hollering about a broomstick," she said. The accuser told police that the women were coaxed back into the house with an apology, at which point they were separated. That's when she said she was dragged into a bathroom and raped, beaten and choked for a half hour.

I didn't say you hated parents of small children or small children themselves. You were making a jab at me, but missed your mark. Not to worry, I don't think anyone cares what you think of people who look after their little ones, but they might appreciate knowing that about you.

At risk of getting imhological, I wonder about the broomstick remark. It really does not strike me, in the context of a strip show, as all that offensive or all that unusual. It may be that the atmospherics of strip shows are different in the US and Australia, but at least in this hemisphere both performers and audience tend to exchange fairly gross remarks, remarks which in any other place would be deeply offensive. I'd guess Pittman's alleged remarks about the players' genitals were part of the same by-play.

Imho does not have any little ones. There is no way she could find a man that would put up with her hate to produce children.

At risk of getting imhological, I wonder about the broomstick remark. It really does not strike me, in the context of a strip show, as all that offensive or all that unusual.

Please everyone stop squabbling. If you're that bored, go to bed. (spoken as a mother of a former rugrat, heh.)

Ditto for Clausen's parents, who had worried about the stigma of being a Duke lacrosse player. They feared that their son would be "vilified" before he even stepped on campus. "We didn't want a part of that," Clausen's father, Jeff, said, "and that definitely played into our decision.

proceeded to the livingroom, led by Dan to do our show. There were about 20-25 young guys who were all sitting down .

Mike Tyson might have beat the rap if his lawyer wasn't so incompetent. Don King insisted that his lawyer represent Tyson. His lawyer dealt with civil stuff for king but had little to no criminal experience.

To James B. Shearer,

Read this simple article it may help out the next time you speak out your ass.

When hunting around for the photos of the AV at the party, I came across a "zoom-in" of the watch (sorry I didn't save the link) but it looked like a blur to me. Anyway, if the lawyers who have access to all their experts are saying things like there were extensive cuts and bruises, but folks here looking at the photos say it's all shadows and lighting, were the lawyers (and "reporters") a) mis-stating big time? or b) misinterpreting what they saw, because we can tell it's just shadows?, or c) right for once?

...It's also important to know that we are instructed to NOT do any alcohol or toxicology testing on rape victims, as it may be used against them in court. ...

James B, you made good points about cases involving non-consensual sex. I will just add that in the majority of sexual assault cases (about 60% I believe) the perp is known to the victim. Also, from my class I learned that the perp may have all the character witnesses he can find, not so the victim.

You buy a lottery ticket with six numbers. Your ticket tears in half and you only have three numbers out of six on your ticket. The three numbers on your ticket match three of the winning six numbers. You cannot prove where you bought the ticket (like you can't prove where the DNA came from or how it got on the nail). You cannot prove what the other three numbers are. You do not win the lottery.

This sounds ethically wrong to me, the exam should be looking for evidence that rape did not occur as well as evidence that it did occur. Doesn't this fall in the category of deliberately not looking for possibly exonerating evidence which is supposed to be a no-no for prosecutors?

Just as an aside, the more time I spend around imho the more I believe Skakel is probably innocent. You know, just from her fine work here.

In terms of the comment about sex one week prior, usually pathologists can tell from the appearance of the sperm how long it has been around. My understanding about the sperm that was found in the acccuser's vagina was that it was approxiamtely 0-3 days old, based on the appearance. After a few days the head separates from the tail

Weren't some of these same guys out in the backyard talking to Kim while waiting for Precious to show up? Didn't Kim claim some of them were even p*ssing off the porch? Hopefully, they at least stood up fot that.

victim: He said um he was going to stick a broomsticks up our @sses.

victim: He said um he was going to stick a broomsticks up your @sses.

He/she was not talking about how long spem can survive, as you have tried to twist it, but rather that it is possible to apporoximate, via simple microscopy, how long ago the sperm was deposited.

Also I read an account of the trial which said Fuller appeared to be terrified of Tyson which probably didn't go over too well with the jury.

I can see how it could be alarming to two dancers surrounded by "20-25" "drunk" "excited" "aggressive" "boys." And offensive in the sense that the level of disrespect displayed could cause them to feel their safety is threatened.

I don't doubt the broomstick remark was made. I do doubt that either performer was deeply effected.

Couldn't the millions of dollars a year Duke hands out in athletics scholarships be better spent on scholarships for deserving candidates from minority and other underrepresented groups based on academic merit and other achievements?

Orin Starn, you sir, are an idiot.

This is non-sequiter. Strippers cannot be disrespected. When one has no respect for oneself, how can one be disrespected. To be disrespected, you have to command at least some respect.

beenaround posted:

IMHO says:

It is a fact that a "partial match" can yield better statistics than a full CODIS 13 loci match.

Source please?

Haverford college (never heard of it) and Berkeley, big surprise there.

Ph.D. from Stanford University? Never heard of it.

...Prejudiced, angry, fearful juries can send innocent people to jail. So if PB's point is that despite the evidence a jury might convict she is right. That's why a lot of people would like this case dismissed: to keep this case out of the hands of the likes of PB.

Is the only reason then he [Finnerty] is now facing an actual trial in DC that he was arrested in NC on these charges?