I'll plan whatever you want me to plan for 50k...but you'll never see me again after I collect.

They didn't know he was a government agent. They wanted this stuff from him so they could do bad things..

In a BBC news broadcast today, Miami Herald reporter Mani Garcia remarks that the government's arrest of seven men in connection with a 'plot' to blow up the Sears Tower is probably overblown. "They've been described to us by sources as 'wannabes' -- still to be determined if making a connection about talking about doing an attack and and being able to finance an attack," Garcia said. "We've seen previous cases where the Federal government has announced with great hoopla breaking terrorist cells. And when you start deconstructing a case, you see that there's a lot of talk."

Squeaky - Like the Zarq man, they don't exist. It is all a big psychops program.

Joe Bob - Uh, this is a little complex, but try to think it through. They didn't know he was a government agent. They wanted this stuff from him so they could do bad things.. Get the point??

Please tell me what it will take to actually get the non believers to believe that we did something right?

Does the fact they were trying mean anything to you?

et al - Your defense of these guys is so outrageous I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Batiste allegedly met last December in a hotel room with someone posing as a representative of al-Qaida -- someone law enforcement officials say was actually an agent of a country friendly to the United States.

June 23, 2006 05:58 PM This is interesting: Batiste allegedly met last December in a hotel room with someone posing as a representative of al-Qaida -- someone law enforcement officials say was actually an agent of a country friendly to the United States. So the agent was not American.

I just saw the spokesman for the Council on American Islamic Relations on CNN saying that the Miami cult members just arrested are not Muslims. I'd say that is a fair statement. For one thing, they are vegetarians! It seems pretty obvious that they are just a local African-American cult which mixed Judaism, Christianity and (a little bit of) Islam. It seems to be a of vague offshoot of the Moors group founded by Dwight York...... Now a relative of one of the members, Phanor, said that they wore black uniforms with a star of David arm patch and considered themselves of the Order of Melchizadek. I wonder if it is "Seas of David" or "C's of David", with "c" meaning commando or some such?

and (a little bit of) Islam

None of those arrested could afford a lawyer.

There is next to absolutely nothing on Seas of David

"Seas of David" or "C's of David", with "c" meaning commando or some such?

all they wanted to do was join al-Qaeda and blow up the Sears Tower

Coincidentally, tonight on the news a CNN journalist claimed that the Miami terror cell "homegrown black terrorists" (Anderson Cooper) hatched its plot from a Masonic temple. Interesting. Link to quote

G.J.G Atheea, a Master at the Morrisigns Masonic Temple where Baptiste was an Elder, claims Baptiste was approved by men who offered to fund him for whatever he wanted to do, "as far as some subversive work. They would give him whatever he needed." Atheea claimed Baptiste was not interested, and didn't accept what the men had to offer. He denied Baptiste was a terrorist. The Temple was also raided by agents Thursday. Link to quote here

It's interesting that while the indictment claims one is called "Brother Sunni" his sister says her brother is Roman Catholic, and that his nickname since childhood was "Sunny." It's a small but rather significant detail, and it seems like something our crack media could probably clear up fairly easily.

BLITZER: So, confusion is that he was called Sunny, not Sunni, because Sunni, as you know, is one of the religious groups in Islam. PHANOR: No, I didn't know that, but now that I know, no, it's not for that. That's his nickname, and it's spelled, S-U-N-N-Y, as a sunny day. That's his nickname every since birth. But all of them call themselves brother. I don't know -- it's Brother Nas, Brother Dee (ph). I guess each of them abbreviate their -- beginning of their first name for that, but -- my brother, no, my brother ...

The group apparently did little to inspire fear in the Liberty City neighborhood where they took up residence.

A close family friend and a distance cousin of Stanley Grant Phanor described the leader of the group, Narseal Batiste, as a "Moses-like figure" who would roam the streets in a cape or bathrobe, toting a crooked wooden cane and looking for young men to join his group.