CARLSON: First of all, Wendy, this is coming from a woman who has made what I think are very clearly false allegations. So the fact that you would get up there and proclaim that they made racist remarks as if it were fact rather than a totally unproved allegation. Shows the recklessness.

MURPHY: I never, ever met a false rape claim, by the way. My own statistics speak to the truth.

CARLSON: I'm really glad you're a justice analyst now and not a...

MURPHY: You should be. Somebody needs to bring common sense to yourshow.

CARLSON: Wendy Murphy, completely insane, but delightful nonetheless.

Thanks for joining us.

Nifong's use of the quotation marks was a deliberate, spiteful slap in the face to Meadows, who was, out of courtesy, giving him an opportunity to be heard, to respond to the article before he was caught unawares by its publication.

I just saw Tucker Carlson. A TH on the show (Susan Filan???) said she read the medical report.

I forget the phrasing, but the TH in essence said that the AV stated that one of the players ejaculated in her mouth and [she] spit it out.

Yet no DNA on the floor. So I guess the guys must have cleaned up the semen on the floor but left everything else a mess.

MURPHY: You should be. Somebody needs to bring common sense to your show.

I forget the phrasing, but the TH in essence said that the AV stated that one of the players ejaculated in her mouth and spit it out. Yet no DNA on the floor.

Nifong might want to delay and put it in front of a jury next year, but I can't imagine this train wreck surviving defense motions to have the charges dismissed.

By the way, anyone hear from the AV, or is she still missing?

I've seen it suggested that Nifong plans to brazen it out and is counting on getting a majority black jury that will convict despite the evidence or at least give him a mistrial.

There was DNA found on the bathroom floor. According to Cheshire: one DNA sample was found on the floor and one was found on a towel just outside the bathroom door. One of the samples was from semen. Seligmann is cleared as the source, both sources of the DNA were captains who lived at 610 N. Buchanan.

Do you have a link that says the DNA on the towel and/or floor was specifically semen?

In any event, I think the important fact is that it wasn't the sperm of any of the indicted players.

They also found no DNA on the woman's clothing or belongings, players' attorneys said. The tests found DNA matches to two players, from a towel outside the bathroom and on another object, Cheshire said.

One sample was from a player's semen and another was a different type of DNA, Cheshire said. He said that was to be expected in a bathroom shared by the three men who lived in the house.

This means he is reading up on the blogosphere reaction in his spare time. I find this odd as he is supposed to be swamped with this case, the horrible gang problems in Durham, managing all the ADAs, signing off on stuff, etc. You would think he has zero time to read a blog. Or read it more than once in awhile. I guess we'd be wrong.

IMHO,

I read your post more carefully and it onlys says Seligmann was ruled out. If the sperm was Evans', I think that would be SOMETHING. Not nearly enough to outweigh the overwhelming weight of the evidence in the other direction, but it would certainly be a lot more than anything else (we know) Nifong has now.

I doubt it's Evans' though, because I think that would have been leaked. But . . . one never knows.

Maybe his daughter is keeping him apprised of what the bloggers are saying.

Maybe his daughter is keeping him apprised of what the bloggers are saying.

Are you saying the Nifong's daughter will be mounting her fell beast and taking wing above the courthouse on Thursday to defend the Preciousssss? Or just that we should be careful not to get between the Nifgul and her prey?

Just that if she were to send him e-mails, he would probably read them.

Lastly, what underlies Wendy's (and others on this blog) position is that they want a rape to have occurred!! regardless of the blatant inconsistencies.

In my opinion it is similar personal bad experiences in the past that is the motivation for these blinders. Otherwise, to be objective creates subconscious doubt in their own unfortunate experiences.

Can't believe I hadn't made the Tolkien connection. Should those of us who are less than enchanted with Mr. Nifong consider calling him Gollum?

As a Duke nurse, we also have to do anual HIPPA inservices. If a nurse is approached by a lawyer, le, or anyone wanting info about a patient, they are referred to someone in management and then to the legal department. now, if Himan was in the ED, and overheard part of a conversation amongst co-workers, and he took what he heard and embellished it to fit the ccase that nifong wanted, then who is at fault? If the nurse actually talked to him...not only she, but Duke can get fined. But, as I posted on another thread, no nurse is going to call a rape exam a test...not happening anywhere...JMO

The HIPAA laws apply to anyone that is not designated, or implied (in the case the patient is unconscious, ie..family), LE have to obtain a subpoena to obtain records. Acxcording to HIPAA, I am not allowed to look on the electronic records at my kids tests. Now, that is not to say that an ED doc will not tell a cop, what injuries a trauma victim had, but in generalized term..."looks like the bullet hit his kidney", "had a massive head bleed when he was ejected", but no specifics, over the phone, by a nurse...no way

Lastly, what underlies Wendy's (and others on this blog) position is that they want a rape to have occurred!! regardless of the blatant inconsistencies.

"Matt grabbed me and looked at me. He said, 'Sweetheart, you can't leave.' He grabbed the back of my neck...They started kicking me in my behind and my back."

"27-year-old female alleged sexual assault...denied other physical assault...NO EVIDENCE of other physical assault.

The police summary of the statement Kim Roberts, the second dancer, made is especially damning. Roberts said the idea that the woman was assaulted was a "crock." She went on to say that the accuser, who used the stage name Precious, was out of Roberts's sight for less than five minutes. Roberts later told NEWSWEEK she believed a rape could have happened. In the meantime, Nifong, who declined a request for comment, had approved a motion to eliminate Roberts's bond payments stemming from a prior conviction.

Hey, IMHO, setting aside whatever problems I have with your comments, I really am glad your cat came back. Best wishes for the patient's speedy recovery.

mr. nifong stated that he provided, in his prior news conferences, all the information available at the time. demonstrably not a true statement. as has been noted before, he referrenced the results of a medical report not yet in existence.

i found his whole e-mail pretty pathetic. in effect, it says "you guys made me look bad, by actually reporting the incredibly stupid public statements i made, when this case first broke."

let's get real here, if mr. nifong had concrete, no questions about it evidence, to support the allegations, he would be bound by the rules of discovery to have disclosed that to the defense team. while it's true that the defense team might not blare that in public, it would have been leaked, by someone, to the press. and yet, nothing.

all of this other stuff is meaningless drivel. they found DNA in a bathroom, shared by many people. so what? this came as a shock to someone? the real shock would have been if they'd found none at all.

too many inconsistencies, from both the AV and ms. roberts/pittman. ms. roberts/pittman contacting an agent, to see how she could "spin this to her advantage". ms. roberts/pittman cutting a deal with the DA, on another charge, in return, or so it appears, for her cooperation in this case. and on, and on, and on, etc.

Then we have IMHO and lora, spinning wildly, speculation upon speculation, as it becomes more obvious to anyone with half a brain, that this case is going down the tubes, fast and furious.

should it turn out that the AV has, in fact, created this whole scenario out of whole cloth, what to do? her recantation cannot undo the damage done, no matter how heartfelt it may be. that train left the station, and it can't be recalled.

an entire institution has been smeared. the entire team has had its reputation destroyed. three individual's lives have been turned upside down, their reputations not even a shell of their former selves. one (evans) has had a job offer withdrawn, adding that fiscal cost to the costs of his defense.

slap her on the wrist and say "there, there, it's ok, we understand."? geez, i don't think so. what measure of justice would that be?

KENDALL: And now it looks like he knew this from the beginning. And on your point about her having the sex with other people before the night in question, it's really no longer open to speculation, unless you disbelieve the witness testimony. This is the statement from the driver who took her to the party. He says it, black and white -- I've got it right here -- that the two of them had sex.

HANNITY: And I've read it. And he's saying that. So that raises the injury issue. The girl herself was on the record as saying multiple times, multiple different versions of the case, and the girl that was with her says, "No, this couldn't have happened. I was with her for all but five minutes." She had claimed a 30-minute rape had taken place here, and she also had claimed that she was in the bathroom at the time and the other girl said, "That's a crock." So the question is, Kimberly...

GUILFOYLE: Yes, she's accusing her of being accomplice in the sexual assault and saying, "She took my money. She was in the bathroom during the rape." So this is her witness that she's supposed to bring forward to corroborate her story, in some fashion. She's got credibility issues then.

Huh????????????????????? Let me get this straight. The Duke lacrosse players are getting off easy because other innocent people have spent decades in prison for crimes they didn't commit? The underlying premise would seem to be that there isn't a problem with innocent people being charged, tried, and sent to jail. AT SOME POINT it'll all get straightened out, then? Huh?????????????????????

So what does Mike do? He sends her a mean, condescending response that clearly states his anger at her and other journalist for not just accepting his positions on the case.

Once specific defendants were indentified, I considered myself to be ethically bound to avoid any futher comments on the case or the evidence. That has left the field pretty much open to the defense attorneys. That part I understand, and have no choice to live with. What has surprised me is the utter lack of any degree of skepticism on the part of the national media with respect to the claims of the defense attorneys, many of which are misleading and some of which are absolutely false.

What part did the players, have in affording this one woman the opportunity to smear Duke University...

Did the defense share the 1300 pages of discovery with anyone other than Dan Abrams?

1. People are wrongly accused.

2. The responsibility for how the situation turns out depends solely upon the choices of those accused; all others are to be held blameless.

So, enduring a false accusation of a vicious, heinous crime that turns one's stomach and stains one's character is just the price, and a reasonable one at that, for living in America.

Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Everyone, please forgive me. I never learned that in school. Doh!

had said earlier that maybe if a certain AV booster had been falsely charged with a crime she might have a better understanding. She responded that she in fact had been falsely accused and had suffered greatly.

I don't know, but the female TH on Tucker's show last night (Susan Filan?) said that Abrams showed it to her. She said it was very bad for the prosecution, particularly the medical reports and the AV's written statement.

MSNBC did not get the documents from what I could tell. Abrams went down to Durham and went through them in a conference room, I suppose, taking copious notes. He referred to his notebook during the TV program. I doubt the defense lawyers would ever release the whole discovery file to the public, especially since the medical report is arguably protected by federal privacy rights.

Does anyone know when the newly-elected District Attorney for Durham will take control of existing cases--what date?

Does anyone know when the newly-elected District Attorney for Durham will take control of existing cases--what date?

I missed that exchange. Thank you for bringing it up, as it sheds some light on comments that seem truly alien to me.

Does anyone think the defense should have picked a more impartial journalist than Abrams to be their conduit?

Does anyone think the defense should have picked a more impartial journalist than Abrams to be their conduit? They are doing this for the sake of credibility. If you are going to do something, do it right.

Evidently the defense has nothing to fear from full public disclosure; they petitioned the judge to release it to the public. You got any problem with that?

They chose a legal strategy, and if they are innocent, so far, it hasn't worked out for them. If they are guilty, it probably will.