When did the remaining 43 team members sit down with police investigators and give their statements?

The accuser's father said he spoke with his daughter Tuesday night but that she made no mention of threats or fearing for her life. He has been speaking with her regularly and says she is in good mental health. He said that while he knows she has been staying in a variety of locations, he does not know if it's because she has received threats. He added that he had been worried for his daughter's safety but no longer thinks it's an issue. The father has also given apparently conflicting statements to different news organizations about whether his daughter is willing to testify.

I am trying to determine what redeeming value releasing the names in any of these cases has to our society and I can find none.

It was agreed by all of the players that the team captians would speak for all of them.

The other 43 players have not refused to speak. The DA has not called them. They called the team captains. And the truth is that ll of them have lawyers to speak for them. They have all came out and said that nothing has happened.

I truly feel sad for this woman.

NIFONG: I am convinced that there was a rape, yes, sir. ABRAMS: And why are you so convinced of that? NIFONG: The circumstances of the case are not suggestive of the alternate explanation that has been suggested by some of the members of the situation. There is evidence of trauma in the victim's vaginal area that was noted when she was examined by a nurse at the hospital. And her general demeanor was suggestive of the fact that she had been through a traumatic situation.

Medical records and interviews that were obtained by a subpoena revealed the victim had signs, symptoms and injuries consistent with being raped and sexually assaulted vaginally and anally. Furthermore, the SANE nurse stated the injuries and her behavior were consistent with a traumatic experience.

Bob, I've heard those comments too, just not to the level of misinformation teresa is trying to put out. I've heard speculation that it's impossible to differentiate between rough sex and rape during a rape exam.

Which doesn't mean that they didn't come from a rape, just that bruises on someone's body, if they were very intoxicated and fell down stairs, could be explained by her falling down.

The players' attorneys also claim that time-stamped photos taken at the party showed the woman was bruised, bleeding and "seriously impaired" when she arrived at the party, which began March 13 and continued into the next morning.

The woman was too impaired to perform more than a few minutes as an exotic dancer, defense lawyers say.

I think it was drugs, perhaps slipped to her by someone at the house, perhaps something she took. In any case, at some point she regained consciousness, felt all the injuries she had and very well may have presumed rape. That is, rape became a logical explanation to the bruises and her blackout.

"She was hysterical," the source said. "She was crying, she was pretty banged up.

She was walking on her own, but there were bruises on her face, neck, and arms.

There were injuries to the woman's pelvic area, the source said.

"She just kept hollering and screaming.

So who is going to file a false rape allegation on this woman? That all I want to talk about now...I want to see her get prosecuted...To send a message to all those who false accuse... She needs to be used as an example.

I can see a redeeming value for releasing the names of the accused prior ot conviction. The alternative requires government action before the press is allowed to report stories involving criminal allegations. Imagine the power that would give to a prosecutor--he could keep someone's name forever out of the press simply by declining to file charges.

Apparently Nifong is saying the woman arrived drunk (the time of the 12:41 picture in dispute).

Using Mostafa's statement, prosecutors are certain to attack what has become a very public set of alibis for the defense...

In fact, prosecutors will argue, that photo actually shows the accuser being dropped off at the party, not leaving it, and that it was taken well before midnight. In that photo, the accuser is shown in a black or dark-colored car, which matches a description of the car defense and prosecution sources say dropped her off at the party. The person in the driver seat of that car allegedly is not Kim Roberts, whom prosecutors will argue drove the accuser away from the party after the alleged rape.

"Thank God they call me," Mostafa told TIME of his meeting at the Durham Police Department. "I don't want to look like I'm on the side of the defense only. I want to look like I'm an honest person." Mostafa said he told investigators (who would not comment on the interview or any aspect of the case)

According to the Creedmoor police report in August 1996, when the woman was 18, she told officers she was raped and beaten by three men "for a continual time" in 1993. She told police she was attacked at an "unspecified location" on a street in Creedmoor, a town 15 miles northeast of Durham. Asked Thursday if she was sexually assaulted, her father said, "I can't remember." In an interview with the News & Observer of Raleigh, posted Thursday night on the newspaper's Web site, he said the men "didn't do anything to her."

That is a pretty astute observation there IMHO. We should take every man that behaves poorly and charge them with rape, plastering their photos and names every where.

Her father's memory on the case seems a little vague too. He either doesn't remember or says that those men did nothing to her. Huh?

The woman has reported that three others have raped her in the past, no charges were filed in those others cases.

The father said the AV was normal, everything was okie dokie before the party, but he also introduced the broomstick and his version her previous rape which isn't matching the police records (or lack thereof). He apparently didn't know the line of work his daughter was in. That would suggest to me that he is, as we used to say in the hospital admitting room, a "vague historian" and so not a reliable source of information.

IMHO, I haven't seen the rape report, haven't seen photos of the bruising. Don't know if she had sex with anybody in the day or so before she went to that party.

We don't know what is in the rape report, we don't even know if a toxicology report was taken. Everyone presumes that Nifong has more than we've seen.

but he also introduced the broomstick and his version her previous rape which isn't matching the police records (or lack thereof).

The other thing I've wondered is that when she stole the taxicab, took the police a long chase, was charged with attempting to run down a cop and being way over the legal limit, she got a very light sentence.

Well damn. WRAL.com says the Mom says it DID happen. Are there any correct reports about this case? Are the parents that stupid or just that unclear in their interviews allowing for misreporting?

The other thing I've wondered is that when she stole the taxicab, took the police a long chase, was charged with attempting to run down a cop and being way over the legal limit, she got a very light sentence.

FILAN: Here's what she was charged with. She was charged with larceny, speeding to elude, assault on a government official, and driving while impaired and those are actually the four misdemeanors that she pled guilty to and went to jail for, is that right? VANN: That's correct. She served six days in jail and then was placed on 24 months probation and was ordered to pay restitution, and she completed the six days in jail, completed the probation without incident, and paid her restitution exactly as she was ordered to do by the court. She fully complied.

Attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents a player on the team who has not been charged, said it was notable that authorities apparently decided not to prosecute the earlier case. "These are serious allegations, particularly for a person that age. In my mind, it would raise real issues about her credibility," he said.

If she is lying and she did so out of revenge, she sure got it. She's brought these guys to their knees. I wonder what all the guys that weren't even at the party or the guys that didn't treat the women like zoo animals with their name calling, taunts and picture taking, think of their teammates that did behave abhorrently? Surely they have to realize those actions are what triggered this, if it is a false claim.

imho, do you really believe the broomstick rape or are you just playing devil's advocate? I'm not 100% sure she wasn't raped but I just can't believe that part.

The alleged victim's father said he didn't know of any death threats to his daughter, and he doesn't believe the New Black Panthers are looking after her. "At least, I hope and pray they aren't," he said. "To me, they're just as bad as the Klansmen."

But he said the family hasn't accepted the offer, and he considers the group racist. "I don't have anything to do with them," he said.

Did I just hear the DA say on TV that 2 Duke students have come to him about similar incidents that happened to them and that they didn't report it for the very reasons we see happening to this woman? Did anyone else see that? He also said people don't know all the facts and he seems to be going full steam ahead.

If this was, indeed, a means of revenge, I wasn't condoning it, just remarking on its effectiveness. Talk about the ultimate "GOTCHA!" She could be the new host of "Punk'd."

If this was, indeed, a means of revenge, I wasn't condoning it, just remarking on its effectiveness.

Talk about the ultimate "GOTCHA!" She could be the new host of "Punk'd."

Sorry to repeat but am I the only one who saw this? It was on MSNBC around 2:30 or so. I thought Abrams might show the clip but I guess he doesn't think it's important.

By similar incidents, do you have any idea how similar? Gang rape? Or rape by a Duke athlete? Or rape while intoxicated? Date rape drug?

DURHAM - The national chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense says his group intends to march at Duke University on Monday to "deal directly" with lacrosse players about charges of rape of an escort service dancer at a team party.

Duke's campus police are coordinating with the Durham Police Department to prepare for the black-separatist group, which has a reputation for coming to its protests armed.

Malik Zulu Shabazz, a Washington lawyer who is the leader of the New Panthers, said he will be in Durham to rally with local black leaders and monitor progress of the criminal case against Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann, the two students charged with raping and kidnapping the dancer.

"We are conducting an independent investigation, and we intend to enter the campus and interview lacrosse players," Shabazz said Thursday. "We seek to ensure an adequate, strong and vigorous prosecution."

I'm not sure there was any similarity and Abrams was furious at him for saying this.

Though he may have a point in this instance, if Dan Abram's Duke bias wasn't so comically obvious, it would be a disgrace.

there is a lot of bad reporting here. I got suckered from one early timeline that the AV had going back into the house at 12:41.

I have not seen one compelling argument for the release of names of those involved on this site or any for that matter.

The date-rape drug apparently does not impair one's ability to make a 100% positive ID of the rapists afterwards.

There are several given signs that an individual may have been given a sedating substance:

* Victim thinks she/he may have been assaulted, but is not sure (unexplained soreness or injuries, woke up in a different place and can't remember how she/he got there, etc.) * Victim's recollection of assault is patchy and confused; she/he may remember only parts of the assault, or none at all. * Victim remembers the assault, but was unable to move or speak. ("It was like I was watching the whole thing. I tried to scream, but no words came out..."). * Victim felt her/his intoxication level did not correlate with the amount of alcohol consumed. * Victim woke up feeling "fuzzy", very hung over, experiencing memory lapse and can't account for periods of time.

Some wake up in their attacker's bed the next morning and are then regaled with the details of how great they were in the sack the night before - one woman awoke surrounded by her own vomit and a stranger telling her "We made love."

If the drinks were drugged, who there drugged the drinks? Who knew the drinks were drugged? How widespread would the conspiracy have been?

PB, quite honestly, from the picture the AV doesn't look like she could walk at 12:41.

it looks to me like Nifong thought the rape had taken place between 12 and 12:30 all along.

And how about those players who were not even there? Why do they even have the need to go to talk to the police?

Meanwhile, who could explain why a player who was not even there or their parents will want to help cover someone else up if they know the rape did happen?

It seems to me that those who have made false rape accusation hurt the real rape victim the most.

two women returned to the house. That would be minutes after the 12:03 walkout, maybe 12:05 - 12:10.

So, at least as far as what Nifong has believed since he issued the first search warrant, his theory of the case puts the rape between, say, 12:05 and when the two women left the party around 12:30.

If a rape did happen, the innocent players would talk to the police, but since nothing happened they are afraid to expose themselves to the risk of talking to the police? Huh?

PB, it seems to me from the search warrant that NIfong's talking about the two women returning to the house. It's my understanding that was after the two walked out initially. I guess we're all allowed to interpret the search warrant.

Do you have any explanation for how they got separated for a half hour without Roberts noticing or that she eventually left the house with the AV not knowing that a rape occurred?

Put yourself in the boys position and assume that something happened. In that case the innocent would have no reason to remain silent if they feared they could be accused, because they would assume that police and DA would act reasonably

But assume that nothing happened. In that case when they realise that the police and the DA are intent on finding someone to blame regardless of reason, of course they would choose to say nothing, for fear of being picked on.

This seems so obvious that I don't understand why you can't see it.

You are saying if something did happen then the innocent players would assume that police and DA would act reasonably, but if nothing happened, they would realize that the police and the DA are intent on finding someone to blame regardless of reason?

(a) the DA is a reasonable man just doing his job of trying to locate the guilty parties

(b) the DA is an unreasonable man who is biased against the entire hockey [lacrosse] team

And remember that the boys do not have to assume anything, because they know the truth, and their actions are being determined by what they know about what happened at the party, and by what the see happening afterwards.

I just thought that if I were innocent players, I would think that I wasn't there, and I don't know what happened in the house. Why do I need to talk to the police?

I just thought that if I were innocent players, I would think that I wasn't there, and I don't know what happened in the house. Why do I need to talk to the police? Why do I need to go to the police and tell them my whereabouts on that night? What obligation do I have to prove a negative?

The problem is exactly that because Nifong already decided 2 things, that is, (1) the woman was raped and (2) it must be one of the Duke players, and neither the prosecution nor the party hosts could remember who were there and each of them for how long, suddenly everyone on the team and all those who were not there and were innocent became involved.

What if I was just in my own apartment or dorm room all by myself and have no other witness or camera or machine records?