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By Jeralyn, Section Blog Related
Posted on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 05:09:28 AM EST
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Yesterday belonged to Moussaoui and the Feingold censure resolution. What will it be today? Here's a start, feel free to add on:

  • Arianna rips Marie Brenner's Vanity Fair article on PlameGate
  • Atrios on Religion and Politics
  • Josh Marshall says former Bush Aide Claude Allen may use the "evil twin defense" in his shoplifting case
  • Raw Story gets an awesome bloglift (y.w.c.t.p.)
  • Skippy says the "wartime president defense" (meaning don't attack the President during war time) is lame.
  • Patriot Daily, whose proprietors spend all day combing the news and have been extremely helpful to TalkLeft in e-mailing me with headlines I might otherwise miss, is in danger of shutting down due to financial difficulties. If you can send them a few dollars, via their tip jar on the left side of their site, they would greatly appreciate it.
  • The ladies at Firedoglake rake Joe Lieberman over the coals for his position on emergency contraception. Any time you hear somone mention Joltin Joe, make sure you also mention his new challenger, Ned Lamont, a man with true Democratic, American values.

Your turn now.

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    Tuesday Open Thread | 30 comments (30 topical)
    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by HK on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 02:24:36 AM EST
    Love the evil twin thing. Was just thinking that if I had a twin who sometimes misbehaved, the temptation to go astray myself would be overwhelming since I could just blame it on her! I wonder if anyone else has had this thought... (In addition, Claude Allen's twin is black, so it's much easier to believe that he's a bad guy. What a stroke of luck.)

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 03:39:09 AM EST
    The last two F-14 Tomcat squadrons returned from cruise on Saturday. The Tomcats are being retired after 36 years of service. The squadrons return featured a 22 aircraft flyby. Sort of sad.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 05:57:59 AM EST
    Gee, does that mean we should let the Dukester out to lead a squadron of F-4s? Life goes on. They've gone the way of the F-86s, the P-51s, and the Corsairs. Feelin' nostalgic? Go to an air show. Nobody wastes money like the Pentagon. Nobody. PBS could kiss Pledge Drives goodbye forever in the time it takes to type NOBODY.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 06:17:44 AM EST
    From Cheryl Seals 'Green Issues':
    Righwingnut alert! If you are traveling through Kansas, home of "Dark Ages Education," you are likely to see a slick big billboard along the highway directing you to this website: www.scienceprovesit.com The rightwingnut promoters of ignorance who brought you the site and the billboard were also behind the stacking of the Kansas board of education with their reps and thereby allowing creationism to take equal billing with evolution.
    If you go to the site you'll see a short (about 30 second) flash movie that near the end displays these two timeless jewels of inspiration and enlightenment:
    Science is NOT the search for truth. Naturalism is more important than reality.
    Ummm... if you've ever wondered "when will they learn?" when dealing with these nuts... well, the answer is "probably never".

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 06:25:56 AM EST
    Yeah, edge, these people are so different from the taliban. The only reason they don't lop off heads is because they've always been more of a Lynch mob, burn 'em at the stake, kinda crowd.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by Slado on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 06:27:25 AM EST
    Interesting tidbit from the world of SouthPark. CHEF This reminds me of when Roger Ebert got all worked up and couldnt believe that someone could actually make fun of actors who won't stop dumping their politics on us.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 06:28:34 AM EST
    Da debbil made ya say that huh, Charlie? ;-)

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 06:33:50 AM EST
    What's claude the fraud gonna do? Claim his mortal soul is caught in the throes of some titanic clash between east coast - west coast rappers when his true heart resides in fly-over country, red state amerika where everyone is Happy, Christian and the Negroes know their place?

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by MikeDitto on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 06:40:01 AM EST
    The campaign to bring domestic partnerships to Colorado, giving same-sex couples all of the state rights and responsibilities that married couples enjoy, is in full swing and the hate mail has already started trickling in from around the country. We got one yesterday that was so horrid and bizarre that it went right to the FBI (we're talking Unabomber material here). But for those who are interested in helping us fight James Dobson's marriage ban while offering a positive alternative in the form of domestic partnerships, you can volunteer and donate online. It's already clear that we're going to face all kinds of right-wing extremists who want to attack us not just politically but personally. And yesterday's letter made it clear that there are still people in this country who want not only to take away our liberty but to take away our lives. So toss in a few bucks and help us out. And if you don't have a few bucks to give, write us some love mail. We have a hate mail wall and a love mail wall, and the hate mail wall is filling up (though yesterday's was so amazingly bad that it's not going up there). So far there's nothing on the love mail wall--it's waiting for you!

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 06:41:08 AM EST
    Either him or the media.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 07:07:38 AM EST
    You don't mean (gasp!) Tim?

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 07:27:57 AM EST
    Wile E... Thanks for that link.... Good stuff

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 08:30:31 AM EST
    Yeah, ol' timmy will do. The so-called king of the liberal media himself. He'll regain his integrity just as soon as he finishes ridin' this year's triple crown winner.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#14)
    by Lora on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 09:17:48 AM EST
    I really like Al Gore. But if he thinks Dems can win in Florida 2006, somebody outta forward him this

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by HK on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 09:59:47 AM EST
    Great link, Wile E, but I'm saving my hankies for when the F15s go (please, not for a long, long time!) They are older than I am and yet still going strong. Definitely a feat of engineering. Yes, Charlie, such aricraft are impossibly expensive and ceratinly very difficult for this pacifist to justify, but give us a break - every girl has a weakness and aircraft are better than shopping (although shoes are another matter.)

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:26:53 AM EST
    Hey, I like 'em, too. I just don't like 'em to the exclusion of school books, roads and bridges, mass transit and Mozart without Pledge Drives.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 11:41:38 AM EST
    this reminds me of when roger ebert got all worked up and couldnt believe that someone could actually make fun of actors who won't stop dumping their politics on us. as opposed to the natural order of things, when rapture cultists dump their politics on us. off-topic, thanks for the link, jeralyn!

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 12:09:16 PM EST
    but one minor nuance, please. i am not advocating that the idea "don't attack a president in time of war" is lame, i'm saying that this president specifically has no moral right to hide behind that position.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#19)
    by Slado on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 12:22:43 PM EST
    Skippy, Only saying those who favor political movies shouldn't get all worked up when a puppet movie turns the table on Hollywood. America, F&#k yeah!!!

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 01:09:48 PM EST
    Who's gettin' worked up? Funny how the likes of you and jp and jim and yada, yada, yada are always accusing everyone of readin' stuff into comments you make yet that's all I ever hear outta you guys. Hey, you wanna think Team America and South Park vindicates your world view and makes those guys bush leaguers, knock yourself out. I don't give a damn. We'll just add that to the list of things you're wrong about. They just like yankin' peoples chains, that's all, but whatever makes you happy.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#21)
    by Sailor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 04:17:43 PM EST
    Hey Wile, I saw your post re the F14s and I agree. BTW, that flyby woulda been something to see.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 04:39:58 PM EST
    I'm extremely disappointed to see zero coverage on Talk Left regarding Inquisitor Gonzales' subpoena to Google for search requests and Google's rather surprising effort to thwart it. NPR Story After gleefully following Yahoo and Microsoft's lead in allowing China to censor search requests, Google now decides to protect our privacy? Nope. They're protecting their own privacy. They're protecting their own "proprietary technology". When the day comes that the search requests of individual citizens - via IP - are demanded by the New American Inquisition, Google will happily -- and QUIETLY -- forward them along and place an obscure footnote buried deep in it's "Privacy Notice" as a precaution against litigation. I know, I know. So long as you're not a child molester, you haven't anything to worry about. Kind of like the hundreds of American Street Gang participants that recently found themselves arrested with the help of the newly Democratic Party rubber-stamped Patriot Act. Yep - 562 arrested, 76 charged. Arrests Operation Community Shield Alien Gang Removal Act /w/ "O.C.S." No, these Conservatives would NEVER abuse the spirit of a law or lie to the American people about it's purpose. I always knew it had to be more than a co-inky-dink that Tookie Williams, Sadaam Hussein, and Osama Bin Laden had all been seen eating together at a South Los Angeles Fat Burger, plotting a crime spree. Quick..someone check the trunk of that '74 Monte Carlo on blocks in Compton for Yellow Cake and Aluminum Tubes!

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#23)
    by Sailor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 04:40:05 PM EST
    Slado, it actually reminds me of the fact that Hayes didn't complain until they made fun of scientology. Catholics, Jews, evangelicals, no problem ... his religion 'I quit!' They way you connected religion to politics was just a strawman to inject your dubious bugaboo about actors and politics. BTW, how'd you feel about ronnie raygun?

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#24)
    by Sailor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 06:11:22 PM EST
    Since this is an open thread, I'm wondering why a list of a certain commenter continually violating TL's rules was deleted? I mean all I did was post his own comments calling others illiterate, unable to comprehend, ignorant, stupid, nut cases, ethnic insults ... ad nauseum. So why was my post deleted but this commenters insults are allowed every day? IOW, what exactly does it take to get banned around here? Or, as we used to say in Hollywood, who do I have to f#@! to get off this movie?

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#25)
    by rMatey on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 06:37:34 PM EST
    In addition, Claude Allen's twin is black, so it's much easier to believe that he's a bad guy. What a stroke of luck. Or maybe that you can take the black out of administration, but you can't take the administration out of the black.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 09:22:40 PM EST
    TalkLeft, Are you going to be covering the Susan Polk case?

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 14, 2006 at 10:05:11 PM EST
    I don't think I'll be covering the case. Nothing about it has grabbed me so far.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#28)
    by john horse on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 03:57:07 AM EST
    According to CBS News yesterday the military is planning to increase the number of troops deployed to Iraq. Yesterday was one of the worse days of the war including the discovery of 80 bodies, some of which were found in a mass grave dug under a children's soccer field. So where was George? Doing a photo op. Because to Bush, this crisis isn't primarily about Iraq but Bush's popularity.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#29)
    by Edger on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 04:03:48 AM EST
    So where was George? Doing a photo op. Because to Bush, this crisis isn't primarily about Iraq but Bush's popularity. In Bush's mind the only problems he has are "PR" problems.

    Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 07:18:38 AM EST
    TalkLeft, I am fascinated by the Susan Polk case because he was her therapist, she was 16 and his patient when they became involved, he was 42 and married, she is representing herself and probably blowing any chance she might have, all the women who are serving life sentences for murdering their abusive husbands, she is using her cross examination of her son as if she was conducting a family group therapy session. I could go on and on. I wish you could come to California and defend her!

    Tuesday Open Thread | 30 comments (30 topical)