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While re-reading Lewis Libby's discovery motions has been a worthwhile exercise, I've got wiretap motions due today. There's lots going on to talk about, so I'll leave it to you.

On a related Libby note, guess who's speaking at the annual All That Jazz seminar for criminal defense lawyers in New Orleans at the end of April? William Jeffress, one of Libby's lead lawyers. His topic: "Perjury, False Statements and Obstruction- If We Can't Get You For a Crime, We'll Get You For the Coverup" (pdf). It's Saturday, April 29 at 10:30 am.

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    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 11:30:58 AM EST
    Abortion news seems to be jumping out in several spots, with new measures moving in Arizona, South Dakota, Kentucky and Virginia and with a court ruling on a ballot initiative in Oregon. Links to the various state stories can be found at my blog.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dadler on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 12:02:23 PM EST
    "schitzo marvels" i'm going to discover, the island said to columbus, i am sailing off with your head & nothing will shave it. we turn grass to green water here, like nowhere in place, stone becomes light as gold, we breathe life into honey & butter our bones.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by Beck on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 12:02:48 PM EST
    Stupid Criminal Story Two men steal a credit card and use it at a grocery store. One of the men presents his own grocery discount card for the purchase. They are now in jail. Cleveland Plain Dealer

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by Dadler on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 12:08:52 PM EST
    How many liberals does it take to change in a lightbulb? Two. One to change the bulb and one to complain at him about energy waste. How many conservatives does it take to change a lightbulb? An unknown number, as these contracts are for work on an as-needed basis, and one can never know what specific needs will have to be adressed on that as-needed basis, and, yes, costs can be incurred, but these unknown unknowables cannot be broken down into easily digestible pieces, this is the war on oil addiction after all, is it not? Pause. Um, sir, we were talking about a lightbulb joke.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by roy on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 12:32:30 PM EST
    How many libertarians does it take to change a light bulb? None, if the bulb should be changed then the market would have already done it.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 12:56:34 PM EST
    here is another "stupid criminal of the week' contestant. Stoner sets up his own pot bust

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 01:18:32 PM EST
    Q: How many terrorists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Six. One to change the bulb, and 5 to take the credit when it explodes. Q: How many Republicans does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: Two--one to do it and one to steady the chandelier.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by Al on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 01:22:01 PM EST
    Did anybody else catch Pat Oliphant's Muhammad cartoon?

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 01:26:43 PM EST
    How many politicians does it take to change a lightbulb? You don't necessarily just "change" a lightbulb, what is important here is to examine why we are not building a better lightbulb. Under my proposal we will give tax credits to the fine companies that have donated to my campaign which allowed me to be in the position to provide tax credits. Secondly, we will strongly suggest that we remove ourselves from the past by demanding lightbulbs that last for only 2000 hours, and ask that by 2025 the industry creates lightbulbs that burn for a minimum of 2050 hours. Now I know that 50 hours does not seem a lot on the surface but those additional hours multiplied by the number of lightbulbs manufactured annually, which is 10,000,000 will mean about 500 billion more hours to the American people. Who could possibly say no to 500 billion more hours? Also, included in this bill will be 37 million of aid to my states highway fund, which the people of every state should pay for because we are such a great place to visit and drive through.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 01:26:48 PM EST
    Another defector: Paul Pillar, former chief intel analyst for near east affairs was just on Wolfman Jack's show reiterating that Cheney lied.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 01:30:59 PM EST
    How many politicians does it take to change a lightbulb? None. Because the whole world revolves around them.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 01:45:20 PM EST
    How many Republicans does it take to screw in a light bulb? Why bother. They'll just stumble around in the dark anyway.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 01:47:45 PM EST
    How many Republicans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
    None...the butler is a Democrat.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#14)
    by Slado on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 01:50:06 PM EST
    Any thoughts on Harry Reid being a member of the "culture of corruption" Couldn't think up a lightbulb joke.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 01:51:40 PM EST
    kdog, If that butler never changes the burnt ones, will his employer notice? ;-)

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#16)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 02:06:25 PM EST
    I posted about this on a open thread late last year - here's an update. This is very cool... The feds aren't all bad, and some of them do have some real vision instead of blinders. ----- From The Albuquerque Tribune By James W. Brosnan Scripps Howard News Service February 10, 2006
    WASHINGTON - In a boost for New Mexico's spaceport plans, Transportation Secretary Norm Mineta said his department can license spacecraft to carry passengers into orbit by 2008. "When the industry is set for liftoff, the Department of Transportation will be ready for launch," Mineta said. "This timeline is not based on science fiction. It is based on the reality of where commercial space is today. Mineta spoke at a conference on commercial space travel Thursday. The department released his remarks. In December, Gov. Bill Richardson and Virgin Group Chairman Richard Branson announced plans to build a $225 million spaceport near Upham in southern New Mexico by 2010. ... The administration is seeking $125 million this legislative session to pay for roads, water and runways for the spaceport.


    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#17)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 02:16:06 PM EST
    Virgin Galactic - Home What is Virgin Galactic? Why fly into space? Who is making this happen? How is this possible? What will it be like? When can I go? Contact Us

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#18)
    by Slado on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 02:20:02 PM EST
    Also I want to know why I can't buy an XBox360. Can someone please explain to me why Microsoft only made 800K of these things? Are they purposely waiting till there are more games becasue they don't make money on the console? This is the weirdest thing I've ever seen. Why the hell can't I buy one? It's been 3monts for goodness sakes.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#19)
    by pigwiggle on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 02:28:07 PM EST
    This is by far one of the funniest things I've seen. Check out this huge hotdog at the Conservative Political Action Conference. Priceless!

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#20)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 02:34:57 PM EST
    Good one Pig! The comments on that site are hilarious!

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#21)
    by desertswine on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 03:24:33 PM EST
    When can I go?
    When you pony up the $200,000 it takes to buy a ticket.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 03:36:01 PM EST
    I saw this last night on the CBS evening news, and have been unable to find it elsewhere. It seems in the great city of Atlanta, until 1976, only white police officers were eligible for pension benefits. The state legislature has just now changed that to provide benefits retroactive to hire date - but only for current officers. Black officers who retired prior to 1976 are not included (they say it will cost too much -~$40 million). The reporter tried to get some of these legislators to defend their (in)action, but all said that these things move slowly. In the meantime, these officers are dying at an increasing rate, and few predict they will ever see a pension. It has taken these idiots 30 years to even begin to address this injustice, yet it doesn't apply to those men (and maybe a few women) who need it the most. Where is the outcry?

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 03:41:41 PM EST
    Things I enjoy on a cold wet afternoon.
    Posted by Repack Rider February 10, 2006 09:35 AM ..... Your problem is that you still haven't caught on to the fact that my support of Bush is based soley on national defense Excuse me? Who was president on 9/11? Who got a PDB on 8-6-01 entitled, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside United States," and ignored it? Who decided to waste our military resources on a bogus mission? If that is succcessful national defense, I'll take whatever is behind door number two.
    And who was President on 7/5/01? And who had their NSA hold a meeting with all of the security agencies advising them of an expected terrorist attack and placing them on a high alert? Know what? The 8/6 PDB was old news. Guess the Demos just weren't paying attention back in July. Enjoy the Yugo, Repack.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 03:52:51 PM EST
    Desertswine:
    When can I go?
    When you pony up the $200,000 it takes to buy a ticket.
    Better value than a Rolls. ;-)

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#25)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 04:17:53 PM EST
    Here is an interesting approach to make energy consumption less abstract through a visiual and aural metaphor. From Jorn Barger: suppose your kitchen faucet were dripping gasoline each 0.1 milliliter drip containing enough energy (theoretically) to power a one-watt device for one hour....
    the rest follows.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#26)
    by pigwiggle on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 04:54:08 PM EST
    Squeaky-
    fuel cells aim to achieve 40% efficiency converting methanol to electricity but methanol has half the energy of gasoline so a 500-drop fuelcell reservoir may deliver 100-drops of gasoline-equivalent powering a 10-watt device for 10 hours
    You might be interested to know that as a theoretical chemist I am working on computer modeling of the efficiency-limiting component of direct methanol fuel cells (the membrane). Methanol is attractive for several reasons; i.e. it's renewable (wood alcohol), it's a volatile liquid and as such can use the current gasoline infrastructure, we can make it locally, it's energy dense, it's green. My project is funded by the DoD and more recently the DoE. I don't know if you recall the president's 2003 state of the union, but I'm directly funded from the 6 billion he pledged in that speech. You *will* be filling up on methanol (your car, your phone, your laptop) in one or two decades, guaranteed.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#27)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 05:04:08 PM EST
    ppj - The 8/6 PDB was Clintons responsibility? Please ditto-head, I know "the big guy" says you dont have to, but take responsibility for something - I mean, aside from keeping the U.S safe from darkies and gays.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 05:11:42 PM EST
    jondee - Who said it was Clinton's responsibility? I was merely pointing out to Repack that the 8/6 PDB was already covered in the 7/5 meeting. Sorry I was going to fast for you. BTW - The Demos problems with being viewed as weak on national defense predated Clinton... say by about 20 years..

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#29)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 05:22:17 PM EST
    pw- Sounds amazing. All the more power to you, and US. Keep up the good work we need more guys like you.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#30)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 06:01:53 PM EST
    "Predate Clinton." Trans: My panties are still in a twist about Vietnam and Im going to hold my breath till the left says its sorry. But, thanks for clarifying how Carter and Clinton got elected and why the worst attack in U.S history happened on a Reps watch.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 08:00:12 PM EST
    jondee - Why don't you quit worrying about the poor peformance of your heros and move on? When it came to defense Carter was the worst President since Millard Fillmore and is widely recognized as the father of our ME problems with his handling of the Iranian crisis in 1979. Clinton had WTCI, and he didn't even show up to look it over. Now that's real focus on the problem. We can add the USS Cole to that list, and several in between, including his handling of Somalia. But again, my purpose wasn't to zap Bubba. He was a hapless type who wandered in from Little Rock and really was quite amusing in his yuck-yuck way. My point is, was and will be. The much loved, by the Left, 8/6 PDB meant nothing. All of the alerts had been set on 7/5. That they failed is more of a failure of the "culture" of reasonableness with hijackers than anything else. The really sad thing we are seeing now is the Left's forgiveness of the riots, etc., by the moslems.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#32)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 08:13:13 PM EST
    ppj-
    When it came to defense Carter was the worst President since Millard Fillmore and is widely recognized as the father of our ME problems with his handling of the Iranian crisis in 1979.
    Gee wiz. it seems that the worst president on defense is Bush. That is an indisputable fact. Carter was not running things when America was attacked Bush was, He was busy playing golf and reading goat stories not defending america. He dodged his military service, a champagne service that was for rich crybabies too special to actually defend America at war.. Bush has expressed a keen desire for more attacks on America with his oppressive ME policies and famous provocative words 'Bring em on".

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#33)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 08:37:27 PM EST
    Actually, now that I think about it, not only is Bush the worst President on Defense, He, by far, rates the highest when it comes to Offense.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 08:38:34 PM EST
    ppj: Carter ... is widely recognized as the father of our ME problems with his handling of the Iranian crisis in 1979. I think you're just being provocative here, because you're way too smart to believe this. Our ME troubles had their birth over 200 years ago. But even if you narrow the scope of discussion to post WWII Iran, recall that in 1953, American and British intelligence services overthrew the ultranationalist PM Mohammed Mossadegh, and consolidated power under the shah in order to ensure cooperation on oil and discourage Communist expansion, and ultimately setting the stage for Khomeini's revolution in 1979.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#35)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 09:20:21 PM EST
    PPJ-Usually your echo chamber is on super slo-mo replay setting. I see that you are picking up speed.
    GOP chairman questions Democrats' ability to protect Americans
    link via atrios

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#36)
    by chupetin on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 02:41:05 AM EST
    Sure, they talk a good one. But reality is a tad different.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 03:45:32 AM EST
    Jim sez: Why don't you quit worrying about the poor peformance of your heros and move on? Wow, Jim, no one can say you don't follow your own advice!

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#38)
    by squeaky on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 06:11:16 AM EST
    our 'librul' press:
    Russian leaders reach out to rogue regimes
    Rogue Regime????? Wasn't Hamas a result of the Bush plan of spreading democracy throughout the Mid-East? One of the Chimp's many after the fact justifications for invading Iraq.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#39)
    by Edger on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 06:18:33 AM EST
    The editor of a Norwegian Christian newspaper has apologised to Muslims for publishing cartoons lampooning Prophet Muhammad that triggered a furore including the burning of Norway's embassy in Syria. ... The Islamic Council in Norway welcomed Selbekk's apology and said they would protect him. "Our Prophet Muhammad has said that everyone can make mistakes but the best is the one who expresses regret and asks for forgiveness" Muhammad Hamdan Norway Islamic Council leader "Anyone who touches him, touches us," said Muhammad Hamdan, leader of the council who shook Selbekk's hand after a joint news conference hosted by Norway's Minister of Labour and Social Inclusion Bjarne Haakon Hanssen. "I understand ... that he has children the same age as mine. I want his children to grow up together, live together in peace, and become friends," Hamdan said. "Our Prophet Muhammad has said that everyone can make mistakes but the best is the one who expresses regret and asks for forgiveness," he said.
    Aljazeera, Friday 10 February 2006

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 06:44:57 AM EST
    punisher - Yes we did. The fear was that Soviet influence would deny us ME oil and provide the Soviet's a war water port which they have wanted since the Czar's days. It was part of the containment policy during the Cold War and geopolitics at its plainest. And it worked for 26 years until Carter, either through conviction that we could deal with anyone, something he still preaches, or stupidity, failed to respond properly to the crisis and the seeds of destruction were shown. That members of the press pay attention to him is proof that many of the MSM have very little knowledge of history and even less reasoning power. Squeaky - Uh, how do I say this? Uh, the world has been around for quite a long time. And as bad as you want to blame Bush for everything, he wasn't President in 1979, nor is he responsible for Original Sin. Punisher... If the current crop of Demo leaders had been around 200 years ago we'd all be speaking Arabic. I mean, imagine. We wouldn't pay tribute to a bunch of pirates. How un PC. Really now. Pirates have feelings too, don't ya know?

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 06:50:30 AM EST
    edger - How marvelous. The editors, having paid for protection, have published their receipt. They had best hope it is recognized in all the terrorists' stores. I hope the editors last long enought to understand the meaning of the sentence. "Where do I go to get my reputation back?"

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#42)
    by squeaky on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 07:06:02 AM EST
    PPJ-
    When it came to defense Carter was the worst President since Millard Fillmore and is widely recognized as the father of our ME problems with his handling of the Iranian crisis in 1979.
    Yes, Reguns managed to delay the release of hostages until after he was elected in order to generate the bogus talking point still in your wingnut echo chamber of a brain.
    And as bad as you want to blame Bush for everything, he wasn't President in 1979, nor is he responsible for Original Sin.
    Gosh ity seems that you are the one blaming Carter for everything that has gone wrong in the ME. Your claim that he is the worst President on Defense is laughable. BTW- your hero Bush is no friend of the soldiers who have defended our country. He has cut their medical benefits, increasing insurance premiums (41%) while increasing money to an already bloated pile of cash for his corporate pals (and family members) who profit by making WMD's and other tools designed to kill and maime human beings. link

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#43)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 08:23:19 AM EST
    PPJ:Punisher... If the current crop of Demo leaders had been around 200 years ago we'd all be speaking Arabic. The USA, to my knowledge, bears absolutely no blame in the period of Middle East colonialism that started a little over 200 years ago, and that is the real "father of our ME problems..." Maybe you know something I don't (OK, you know lots that I don't, but I mean about this point, smarty-pants...) The distinction of having spread the seeds of the current ME situation belongs to the French and English.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 11:40:40 AM EST
    punisher - Actually I was referring to the Barbary Priates. You know, "millions for defense but not one cent for tribute." But you are correct, after we fought them for years, we were joined by France... (There truly is nothing new in the world.)
    Finally, on March 2, 1815, Congress approved action against Algiers, and Commodore Decatur and Commodore Bainbridge were each given command of a naval squadron. Decatur captured the Dey's flagship, along with 486 prisoners, and sent an ultimatum: "Free every slave at once, pay an indemnity of $10,000 to the survivors of the brig Edwin, and cease all demands for tribute forever." After the conclusion of the Napoleonic wars, which ended in 1815, inspired by America's example, Great Britian and Holland ended their policies of appeasement by bombarding Algier's fleet and fortresses. Franch began it's long colonial relationship with North Africa by conquering Algiers and making Tunis and Morocco protectorates. Italy overthrew the Bashaw of Tripoli and formed the new state of Libya. It was 19th century colonialism that finally put an end to centuries of North African piracy, just as it was the Western nations that finally ended the Slave Trade. Unfortunately the slave trade, taking of captives for ranson, and terrorism lives on Islamic societies
    Squeaky writes:
    Yes, Reguns managed to delay the release of hostages until after he was elected in order to generate the bogus talking point still in your wingnut echo chamber of a brain.
    So let's see. Iran, who knew that Reagan was a hawk and very likely to take military action, delayed the release of the kidnapped Americans to increase Reagan's election chances against the dovish and ineffective Carter. If that is your argument you are welcome to it. Excuse me while I fall down laughing. And no, I didn't blame him for "everything." Just the start. Are you having difficulty reading?? And no, he hasn't cut medical benefits. etc. Where do you get such things? Oh, I know. It's the old "we wanted a 10% increase but we got 7%" so it was a decrease argument. Okay.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#45)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 11:59:22 AM EST
    ppj: punisher - Actually I was referring to the Barbary Priates. You know, "millions for defense but not one cent for tribute." I got that you were talking about the Barbary Pirates, a really exciting episode in our diplomatic/military history. But to me, the interesting thing about this, is that we managed to resolve our troubles in that situation without becoming a colonial power. Your suggestion that post-WWII US Middle East policy "worked for 26 years until Carter," either utilizes a silly definition of "worked" or is too wrong for me to start to refute at this moment.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#46)
    by squeaky on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 12:25:02 PM EST
    PPJ-
    And no, he hasn't cut medical benefits. etc. Where do you get such things?
    Link was provided. Inconvenient eh?
    Various allegations concerning a deal between the Reagan kitchen cabinet and Iran in order to delay the release of the hostages have been made over the years, although Senate and House investigations in the 1990s concerning this October surprise conspiracy could find no evidence of these claims. In any case, the hostages were released twenty minutes after Reagan's inaugural address.
    Quite the coincidence, eh? Falling down laughing again? The consensus form commenters here is when that happens it is usually a sign that you are off your meds. Wikipedia

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#47)
    by Edger on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 12:31:05 PM EST
    Squeaky: The consensus form commenters here is when that happens it is usually a sign that you are off your meds. And there's no reason for him to be off the meds, especially since his medical benefits pay for them. Right? Right? ;-) Jim: And no, he hasn't cut medical benefits. etc. Where do you get such things?

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#48)
    by squeaky on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 01:04:40 PM EST
    edger-
    And there's no reason for him to be off the meds, especially since his medical benefits pay for them. Right? Right? ;-)
    PPJ is way too smug to be dependent on the VA for his treatments. Way outta touch with the underclass. I think he just thinks he can beat the meds, like most nut cases. In fact many manics feel much better off their meds. It is just makes things very difficult for everyone who has be around them.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 01:05:25 PM EST
    Squeaky - Kos as a reference on military matters? Huh? If you follow the thread you will see that there is no increase for active service memebers. There is an increase for retirees. Somewhat of a difference, don't ya know? The proposed increase is for PRIME coveraged. STANDARD coverage prices can only be increased by Congress. And best I can tell the increase is phased in over several years. As for the prisoner release, no. No concidence at all. They recognized that the US had just sworn in a President who had no problem coming and getting them. Fear motivates some coutries.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#50)
    by Edger on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 01:07:58 PM EST
    In fact many manics feel much better off their meds. It is just makes things very difficult for everyone who has be around them. Couple of rocks or a little crystal will fix him right up. :-/

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#51)
    by squeaky on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 01:16:18 PM EST
    PPJ-
    Kos as a reference on military matters?
    Yes Kos served in the military as have many of his readers and contributers. Rather than leave it to you to describe how wonderful Bush is to Vets here is an excerpt. Oh these are not opinions:
     First, Bush's plan would eventually cause some 600,000 retirees to be dropped from the military's healthcare program. Bush's budget also makes across-the-board premium increases to TRICARE retirees under the age of 65. Veterans will see an increase of 41% for single or family coverage within two years; senior enlisted and officer retirees will see increases of up to 204%. By 2009, healthcare premiums for our veterans will TRIPLE.
    What a guy that Bush is. Loves the vets. Guess how much the profit % will increase for his cronies and relatives who sell the killing machines will be. Natural selection. Smart guys don't need VA mostly cause they never served. Smart guys just sell the Sh*t.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 07:06:39 PM EST
    "Excuse me while I fall down laughing" Yeah Raygun was such a "hawk" and enemy of the Iranians that his traitorous peons began selling them weapons soon after his swearing in. Nice little cushy relationship they had; of course it had nothing to do with when the hostages were released. Of course. Nice to know you approve of arming our enemies - so did the Rosenbergs. As usual, you got nothin ditto head.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#53)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 07:29:31 PM EST
    Squeaky - Kos was in the military? Wow. Now some thoughts. No one knows if and/or how many retirees would be "forced" from the plan. That's just BS. As I noted above, the active military is not effected, and just the Prime Coverage on the retired. The cost of insurance to the retiree has been a sore point for a long time. TriCare was created because the previous plan was free, as along as you could find a federal facility. Otherwise, you were out of luck. As you know, if you have been paying attention, my solution is to have Universal Health Care. That would cover even you. BTW - This statement is incorrect.
    By 2009, healthcare premiums for our veterans will TRIPLE
    Everyone who served is a VETRERAN. Veterans do not get health care benefits. RETIREES do. BTW - What are the current premiums? jondee - I thought it clever. Sell weapons to Iran to fight Iraq with and use the proceeds to fund fighting the communists in Central America. Funny how you didn't want the communists fought in Central America, I mean since you bring up the spies who sold our nucelar secrets to the soviets.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#54)
    by Edger on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 07:44:21 PM EST
    Now some thoughts. Thoughts? How about some thoughts of and for 1,400 veterans of bush's greed and lies? 1,400 veterans who won't be needing any benefits, health care benefits or any other kind. Though their families might...

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#55)
    by squeaky on Sat Feb 11, 2006 at 08:26:25 PM EST
    ppj-
    Reports from the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the U.S. (VFW) and others suggest that premiums will double for enlisted retirees and triple for officer retirees by 2009, and these increases will start October 1, 2006. Some in your own administration even report that this proposed fee increase of $1,200 will force 600,000 veterans out of the TRICARE system, leaving them without the health care they have earned through their many years of service to our country
    link Looks like triple increase to me for retired officers under 65 from the TRICARE Chart Pretty gross when you take this into account
    According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted. $2.3 trillion -- that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million
    He got reassigned and his efforts were swept under the table.link

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#56)
    by jondee on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 12:50:16 PM EST
    ppj - Yes very "clever". Spitting on the constitution, settin back the post-Watergate populaces trust in its own govt another 20 yrs, and arming terrorists. Time for your pill now Jimmy; if youre a good boy we'll let you watch Seven Days in May again.