Thursday Open Thread

I'll be offline today, here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    No charges for officer who shot Keith Scott (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 12:01:07 PM EST
    This was the innicdent in Charlotte NC that led to protests.  From the video it was unclear if Scott had a gun...

    Scott's relatives said he didn't have a gun, but "all the credible evidence" led to the conclusion that Scott was armed, Murray said. He said Scott's DNA was on the grip of a gun found at the scene.

    In other news, the Walter Scott shooting case (no relation to Keith I believe) is in the hands of a South Carolina jury today.  This was the one where video showed W. Scott being shot in the back after a possible struggle with a taser.

    All of these police related shooting cases are different but one thing they have in common is a rush to judgement.  


    Walter Scott (none / 0) (#17)
    by pitachips on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 09:35:41 PM EST
    Where was the rush to judgment? The video is pretty clear.

    If you made up your mind from one video (none / 0) (#22)
    by McBain on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 11:14:43 PM EST
    You prove my point.  

    It was not clear from that video exactly what happened.  


    it was a simple question (none / 0) (#23)
    by pitachips on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 12:50:58 AM EST
    I just asked where was the rush to judgment?

    Usually when people use that phrase it's in the context of someone who was unfairly convicted or otherwise treated poorly by the justice system.

    From what you know of the case, including the recent testimony, what do you think should've happened? Do you think they made a mistake indicting/trying him?


    It's not clear what happened? (none / 0) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 01:08:20 AM EST
    Walter Scott was clearly shot in the back and killed as he was trying to run away, that's what happened.

    Never the less (none / 0) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 10:26:44 AM EST
    The shooter deserves a fair trial, without media prep, and a very long jail sentence when/if convicted.

    Expecting media silence (none / 0) (#32)
    by pitachips on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 11:43:33 AM EST
    and/or speculation is unrealistic, but I don't think you'll find anyone here to disagree with you that he deserves a fair trial. And from all appearances it looks like he's getting one.  

    That's not enough information to decide (none / 0) (#30)
    by McBain on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 10:31:18 AM EST
    Murder or manslaughter or possibly even not guilty.  What happened before the shooting is important. Cops have different rights and responsibilities than we do.  Sometimes they are allowed to shoot someone running away from them.  I don't know if that's the case here and neither do you.  

    Another sudden vote tally change (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Towanda on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 04:22:17 PM EST
    this time in Philadelphia, Peter -- which changes the (still unofficial) Pennsylvania margin for Trump to under 1 percent there, too: 0.8 percent

    This was similar to the sudden, similarly unexplained (other than "tabulation error," well, doh) change in a couple of counties in Wisconsin last week, after embarrassing reveal of ridiculously bad math for more voters for president than overall -- which changed its margin for Trump to 0.7 percent.

    And Michigan has made some minimal changes but remains at a margin for Trump of only 0.2 percent.

    Interesting that such slim margins is exactly what the cybersecurity experts (who testified in Wisconsin) said to expect from outside interference . . . just enough but not too much.  And the feds now report internet interference in at least 10 states.

    I will look for this story (none / 0) (#9)
    by Peter G on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 05:27:15 PM EST
    I imagine you mean Pennsylvania generally, not Philadelphia in particular. The HRC margin in Philly proper was probably 80%.

    What were recorded today ... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 07:05:34 PM EST
    ... were the final returns from Philadelphia, which now completes the election in Pennsylvania.

    Ok, now I understand. The margin in (none / 0) (#12)
    by Peter G on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 07:34:40 PM EST
    Philadelphia, after counting absentees and appropriate provisionals, was even more overwhelming for HRC than previously thought. This reduces the reported, net Tr*mp margin statewide correspondingly, to just 46,000 out of 5 million plus, or about 0.8%. Monday the state's Commonwealth Court (a specialized state-wide court for government-related matters) will hear the petition for a statewide audit or recount. Automatic recount would not apply unless margin was under 0.5%, which does not appear to be the case.

    I'm not seeing (none / 0) (#14)
    by Towanda on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 09:11:46 PM EST
    where this differs from my post?

    My fault. I somehow thought you were saying (none / 0) (#18)
    by Peter G on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 09:37:25 PM EST
    that the number of votes recorded for Tr*mp in Philly had gone down, rather than the number for HRC going up, and that somehow he had had a margin of victory there. But on re-reading I see you didn't say that at all. Sorry.

    Just in time... (none / 0) (#1)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 10:21:36 AM EST
    to lift our spirits around the inauguration, Warren Haynes is taking an All-Star band on the road to continue to celebrate the 40th Anniversary of The Last Waltz.

    That'll take the edge off...Thanks Warren!

    Here is an article by Robbie Robertson (none / 0) (#2)
    by ruffian on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 11:39:25 AM EST
    on the making of The Last Waltz, from Vanity Fair last month. Some great behind the scenes anecdotes!

    You two (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 12:33:46 PM EST
    I think the only thing that would make me happy today is 24 hours of AC/DC and a hit of acid

    Woo hoo! (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 09:12:55 PM EST
    Pick me, pick me!

    IKR...wouldn't you rather graffiti (none / 0) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 09:33:16 PM EST
    The inside of a house right now than listen to a Trump celebration rally? I would rather graffiti the inside of my own house right this minute.  What world leader goes on tour or holds these sorts of rally things? Oh yeah! The littlest Kim in North Korea and Hitler.  He did Lügenpresse AGAIN....hello world....hello Presse...Lügenpresse! Lügenpresse!

    Robbie is really promoting... (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 12:56:07 PM EST
    his new book...Rolling Stone had an excerpt in a recent issue, and even the NY Daily News published an excerpt in the Sunday paper two weeks ago....which I thought was especially cool.

    I'll have to check it out as a counterpoint to Levon's memoir, as it regards to the bad blood between them.  


    I know that Robertson and Helm ... (none / 0) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 05:24:36 PM EST
    ... had a very serious disagreement about the inclusion of Neil Diamond in "The Last Waltz." Robertson had produced Diamond's album "Beautiful Noise," and they were friends. For his part, Helm didn't see any musical connection between Diamond and The Band, and pointedly criticized Robertson's professional and personal association with him.

    It reached a point during the concert's planning stages that Robertson reportedly blew up at Helm and responded, "Don't tell me who I'm supposed to not associate with. I will associate and produce who I want to. You can go fck yourself and get the hell out of my way if you don't like who I'm associating with musically."

    That said, whenever I'm asked what my favorite Martin Scorsese film is, I'm sorely tempted to name "The Last Waltz." Filmed in 35mm at San Francisco's famed Winterland Ballroom, it stands as arguably the greatest rock concert documentary ever made, part memoir and complete masterpiece. And everyone who performed onstage / onscreen with The Band -- including Neil Diamond -- knocked it out of the park.

    For anyone seeking to buy the soundtrack to "The Last Waltz," I highly recommend the 2002 4-CD box set, which includes 16 additional songs from the concert than were not included in the film.



    RR's book has been all over NPR (none / 0) (#8)
    by Peter G on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 05:25:46 PM EST
    I heard RR bashing L.Helm, including criticizing the honesty of his book, in one of those interviews.

    Robbie had plenty of time (none / 0) (#19)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 09:45:05 PM EST
    to go after the veracity of Levon's book while Levon was still alive, so why didn't he?

    He should count his blessings; one of which is that unsung hero Garth Hudson hasn't come out with a book yet.


    Dead men tell no tales ... (none / 0) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 01:12:12 AM EST
    ... or offer counter-narratives, and they can't argue in rebuttal.

    Unless you can write a book... (none / 0) (#28)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 09:46:43 AM EST
    with an organ, accordion, or a clavinet instead of a pen or a keyboard...I don't think Garth's memoirs will be forthcoming.

    I have not kept up with it at all (none / 0) (#26)
    by ruffian on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 07:53:57 AM EST
    In general, conflicting memoirs like this don't urge me to believe one side over another. Everyone has their own viewpoints and motives around the same events. It is just interesting to hear them all - impossible, for me anyway, to judge from the outside who was right and who was wrong. I'm sure everyone acted like a jerk from time to time, but the music speaks for itself.

    I really enjoyed Diamond's segment of The Last Waltz, though it did take me by surprise. Nice to know the background there. Wish he had stuck with that caliber of material.


    In Levon's book... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 09:44:13 AM EST
    he talked about what a big spat it was over which guests would make the cut for the film, and it was suggested by Robbie and/or Scorcese that they'd have to cut Muddy Waters to leave room for Neil Diamond.

    Goes without saying, Levon wasn't having that mess...Muddy made the cut;)

    He also told of Ronnie Hawkins having a big laugh busting Levon, Richard, Rick, & Garth's balls at the film premier over Robbie got so much more camera time than the rest of The Band...particularly close-ups of Robbie singing, when The Band rarely if ever plugged Robbie's vocal mic in, because he couldn't really sing for sh*t.

    It's kinda funny Robbie is saying they packed it in in part because everybody was to into the smack except him and Garth...while the way Levon tells it, it was Robbie going all Hollywood and getting heavy into the blow holed up at Scorcese's house for days at a time with the blinds drawn.


    Cannot listen to Trump rally (none / 0) (#11)
    by sallywally on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 07:10:39 PM EST
    They are going hysterical. He is promising everything and they are eating it up.

    It's going to be a great page (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 08:24:15 PM EST
    Authored by me?

    I authored things before Donald Trump and I thought way back then they were great. Nothing is changing for me unless someone breaks my door down for authoring my own pages.

    He went to lügenpresse again....sigh

    Mainstream Media (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ladyjustice on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 09:52:24 PM EST
    . . . is extinct.  Nightly news, morning news (entertainment really) CNN MSNBC, all dead to me now.  After watching DJT split screen for 17 months applauding himself and spewing hatred--can't take anymore.  My news now all comes from credible sources who report facts/news.  No more seeing, ad nauseum DJT's face and his fake news tweets.  They dishonor themselves.

    But you love him (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 01, 2016 at 10:02:40 PM EST
    And he loves you. He loves you so much

    Phuck...it's disgusting, but only to half of us. What the hell is going on here?

    I didn't like W Bush much. But he just made me feel like trying to get arrested in front of his house for saying noble cause bullshit. This is something completely different. This is shared illness. Maybe not being able to protest the Iraq War after our soldiers were fighting and dying before Cindy Sheehan broke that wall down was a sort of shared silent illness too.  This is awful


    Nothing like arguing with some (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Dec 02, 2016 at 10:31:52 AM EST
    d*ckw**d professor about why our institutions of higher learning don't give Nazi's a scholarly platform to make their case from.

    Feck I hate the internet