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Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accident

By Jeralyn, Section Inmates and Prisons
Posted on Thu Dec 29, 2005 at 07:23:28 PM EST
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Former PFC Lynndie England can't catch a break.

England works in the prison's kitchen, where she suffered second- and possibly third-degree burns from being splattered with grease over her chest as she removed chickens from a tall oven, her mother, Terrie England, said in an interview. "She was in severe pain," she said of the December 14 incident. "Everybody in the prison heard the scream."

Terrie England, who is caring for England's infant during her incarceration, faulted prison officials for not giving better treatment during a visit to the emergency room. "They gave her nothing," she said. "When this happened I was furious. ... To think they give you nothing for pain."

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    Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accident | 36 comments (36 topical)
    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#1)
    by scarshapedstar on Thu Dec 29, 2005 at 08:32:07 PM EST
    This is how we treat our greatest hero in the War on Terror? Republican Jesus must be weeping.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#2)
    by Lww on Thu Dec 29, 2005 at 11:00:48 PM EST
    You are just a snide piece of ****. Nobody considers her a hero, except the loons on the left. What do you think she represents to anyone? Anti-war or pro-war, she's a bit player who means absolutely nothing to rational people. What a stretch. Your inclusion of Jesus just makes it so much more snide and pointless. Creep.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#3)
    by BigTex on Thu Dec 29, 2005 at 11:31:33 PM EST
    Concur with LWW. You show what depths the left will sink to scar.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#4)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 12:13:10 AM EST
    From the Reuters article:
    ...sentenced in September to three years for her part in the abuse scandal that sparked worldwide outrage. She is now confined to the Naval Consolidated Brig Miramar in San Diego, California. Terrie England said the arrival of her daughter at the military prison caused a lot of curiosity, including autograph requests. "It wasn't just prisoners, it was guards and everything," she said.
    LWW, Big Tex, Don't you guys think your outrage is just slightly misplaced? Second and third degree burns all over her chest? And they give her nothing to ease the pain? Have you even splashed hot water or hot grease on yourself while frying breakfast? Autograph requests? Autograph requests? From Guards? Yeah, she's my hero... right.. so are the guards and the Naval prison.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#5)
    by BigTex on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 01:06:51 AM EST
    Edger - I agree she should have been given pain medication. However, the outrage isn't misplaced. The Jesus comment is way way out there. It's not even specious. The believers here are asked to refrain from using Biblical support for their positions... even when we are asked. It's TL's board, I respect her decision on the matter. Yet how many times do you see people here make flippant comments regarding Jesus? If the argument rises to the level of being specious, at least there is an argument to be made that perhaps the writing was unclear, or the meaning misunderstood. That's not the case here. Here the comment is both flippant and spiteful. Flippant, spiteful comments like that above rise far beyond the level of what happened to Ms. England.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 01:33:47 AM EST
    scarshapedstar i thought it was funny. you folks need to lighten up. it's called sarcasm. i guess you confuse that with "scar"casm. sweet jesus! anyway this grease burn incident is quite karmic. i'm not sure why referring to "republican jesus" is so terrible, i think that's a great phrase to capture the christian fundamentalist "we know what god wants and homos are going to hell" attitude. opiate of the moronic masses for sure.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 03:15:42 AM EST
    I find it hard to believe nothing was given to her for her burns.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#8)
    by Kitt on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 04:26:06 AM EST
    This is how we treat our greatest hero in the War on Terror? Republican Jesus must be weeping.
    It's called tongue-in-cheek ..... lighten up.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#9)
    by jen on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 05:15:55 AM EST
    Is that typical mecical care for prisoners in the US? I don't care what the woman did, not treating a burn patient for pain isn't right.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 05:33:43 AM EST
    Scar, Gilltots, Kitt, and Jen I agree with all of you. Wily too. This is about the (tantamount to torture in my view) medical treatment of a burn patient. If someones sarcasm in expressing outrage at her treatment bothers you say so, but when you come in with statements like
    she's a bit player who means absolutely nothing to rational people.
    and
    Concur with LWW.
    you show us all just little you value human beings and how cynical is your feigned outrage over his reference to Jesus. Christ! Get a life...

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#11)
    by merlallen on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 05:37:37 AM EST
    she can dish it out but not take it, huh? boo hoo

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#12)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 05:44:21 AM EST
    merlallen, are you suggesting you'd have no problem doing both?

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 06:05:21 AM EST
    edger: I was expressing suprise in that there was a claim of no treatment. Having been in the military the past 24+ years, I have lost count of the number of times I have been at medical and have seen inmates from the brig there. I am guessing ma England is trying to garner sympathy by lying or stretching the truth. This would easily make the newspapers. There are too many people around in the military with axes to grind to miss on this.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 06:33:29 AM EST
    Nobody considers her a hero, except the loons on the left. LWW--Exactly why do you think anyone on the Left considers her a hero? Please. Give details.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#15)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 07:20:59 AM EST
    Wily, You make a good point, I agree. And it would be natural I suppose for a mother to try to use anything she thought might result in better treatment for a daughter, including misleading or even outright lying to shine a media spotlight on the daughters situation. Adam Tanner who wrote the article for Reuters has been a pretty prolific writer for Reuters. In fact he was the source for a great deal of the stories published in newspapers all over the country about Shwarzenegger's clemenecy deliberations over Tookie Williams. As far as I can tell, he seems to be very objective in his writing, and appears to check his sources carefully before quoting them. I think Reuters would not keep him around if he didn't, and I admit I tend to trust Reuters articles, perhaps with less of a grain of salt than I should. I may be wrong, and if that turns out to be the case I'll admit it. But I think we can take Tanners article mostly at face value.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#16)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 08:18:25 AM EST
    LWW, She's a victim, not a hero. A young, stupid girl who got intimidated and cajoled by her superiors into doing what she did. She's a hero to no one who still has a sane axon in their brain. Your attack on Scar was so hypocritical, but I'll give you a 9 for passion.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#17)
    by ltgesq on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 08:41:03 AM EST
    It is not unusual that the prison system does not treat for pain. i have multiple cases where my clients have suffered severe pain from Nuromas (sp?) caused by diabetes, and the jail or prison has done nothing. The only drug i have seen prescribed with regularity is some sort of a tranquilizer -- usually only after a competency motion has been filed. In those cases, the medications magically become unnessesary after the client has gone to trial. So, it wouldn't surprise me at all that the woman didn't get any painkillers.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 09:11:42 AM EST
    She probably should've just tried to score some MJ or heroin from her fellow inmates, expecting medical care of any sort above the band-aid level in a prison is probably being excessively optimistic, at the least........

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#19)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 09:15:56 AM EST
    DA, probably work better than anything they would give her, other than maybe morphine. Burns *hurt like hell!* Especially third degree...

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 09:34:21 AM EST
    ""This is how we treat our greatest hero in the War on Terror? Republican Jesus must be weeping." Weel said Scar, you can tell it home by LWW and Bigtex's reaction. You can always tell how close you are to hitting home by the way wingnuts react. There's nothing a wingnut hayes more than the truth.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#21)
    by BigTex on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 11:13:27 AM EST
    Charley -
    You show what depths the left will sink to scar. Ah, ya mean the truth. Yeah, I can see why you clueless clown posse putzes wouldn't want that gettin' out. Dismissed.
    Motion for sanctions for failing to make a good faith argument or in the alternative misrepresenting material facts before the court ;). Edgar -
    you show us all just little you value human beings and how cynical is your feigned outrage over his reference to Jesus.
    I assure you my outrage is not feigned. Go back and look at my track record here, it's chock full of prior consistant statements. It's not that I have a problem with joking around, this is the same guy who posted in a mishmash Texan vernicular and as MadCow giving a cow's prospective on issues for a while. As far as valuing human beings, although it was stated upthread, will state again to be clear: the treatment given was inadequate. In fact, I'd go so far as to say not only should something been done to reduce pain, but also to try to prevent, or at least mitigate the inevidable scarring that will follow.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 12:32:54 PM EST
    Ltgesq: Your clients are in the brig?

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 01:12:51 PM EST
    She's a victim, not a hero. A young, stupid girl who got intimidated and cajoled by her superiors into doing what she did. Che's Lounge--All true. There are people to whom nothing good ever happens, and never will; England looks like a member of the club. She's not going to finish college or run a successful business or get involved with some guy (woman?) who's nice to her. It'll be one sh|t sandwich after another and an early grave. Pretty sad.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#24)
    by Kitt on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 02:25:50 PM EST
    Edger: Goodness...I'm not agreeing with the insensitive remark(s), just pointing out the obvious tongue-in-cheek manner in which they were expressed.
    Scar, Gilltots, Kitt, and Jen I agree with all of you. Wily too. This is about the (tantamount to torture in my view) medical treatment of a burn patient.
    I'm more in line with what Che says here:
    She's a victim, not a hero. A young, stupid girl who got intimidated and cajoled by her superiors into doing what she did. She's a hero to no one who still has a sane axon in their brain. Your attack on Scar was so hypocritical, but I'll give you a 9 for passion.
    Regardless of who she is, regardless of the severity of the burns she should receive proper medical treatment. No dispute there. As for the unseemly attack on scar - 'you are just a snide piece of ****.' - I'd say that's a personal attack, as is the dismissive tone regarding Ms England. If one can be "less guilty" she is as opposed to those in command including the Commander in Chief and his Cabinet. But you know, it's important to some to come here to tell us we're responsible for the mess they've made.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#25)
    by Sailor on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 06:20:48 PM EST
    Gee, I bet lynndie gets the same health care every other prisoner does. I've never heard any wrongwinger endorse better medical care for other prisoners. Nope, most all those same folks espouse that a person who hasn't committed a crime should be locked up (see condoms thread), people can be tortured by the US, or the country the US ships them to (see rendition) or killing mentally ill folks is OK (see miami 'bomber' thread) or ... jeebus, the list goes on and on. Want links? I'll give ya links. Poor, poor lynndie, she tortured people and now she's being tortured by the same system. Golly, what a surprise. Once you institute torture, and your peons endorse it, it will happen to you or a loved one. THAT is why the 'left' (and people with any humanity left in them) oppose the policy of torture. Get it!?

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#26)
    by jimcee on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 06:41:02 PM EST
    Not to be impolite, F*CK Lindie English, was she wearing a leash at the time of her damage? Who cares about her?

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimcee on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 06:41:05 PM EST
    Not to be impolite, F*CK Lindie English, was she wearing a leash at the time of her damage? Who cares about her?

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimcee on Fri Dec 30, 2005 at 06:42:14 PM EST
    Sorry for the double post.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 31, 2005 at 04:00:26 AM EST
    Sorry Kitt: I believe she was treated. Ma is trying to gain sympathy IMHO.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#30)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 31, 2005 at 09:24:48 AM EST
    Kitt: Edger: Goodness...I'm not agreeing with the insensitive remark(s), just pointing out the obvious tongue-in-cheek manner in which they were expressed. Kitt, I know that! Maybe I didn't make that clear in my post above but I do read what you post here, respect, agree with and encourage your kind of thinking, and know that you a compssionate woman.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#31)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 31, 2005 at 10:03:31 AM EST
    Thanks for your humor Charlie, in your post above. I usually get a smile out of your way of expressing, but this was one of the best! Except I think I tore something in my side laughing this time... owwww.... :-) Keep it up, man!

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#32)
    by Kitt on Sat Dec 31, 2005 at 10:32:13 AM EST
    Posted by Wile E. Coyote December 31, 2005 05:00 AM Sorry Kitt: I believe she was treated. Ma is trying to gain sympathy IMHO.
    Oh Wile, Wile.... Yep, according to the 'story' she was treated. That wasn't at issue; the extent of the medical treatment, perhaps. Anyone who has been around burns would know that 2nd-degree burns are nothing at which to scoff and certainly NOT 3rd-degree. Cleansing and debriding are not fun treatments.

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#33)
    by Lww on Sat Dec 31, 2005 at 10:39:54 AM EST
    Yea, Charlie is real funny, like a hernia in deep water. Where'd he get the catch-phrase, from his kindergarten teacher? David Duke, yea he was endorsed by the Republican Party? Not quite, yet the left has racist charlatans like Al Sharpton sharing the debate stage with mainstream democrats. Tell me that makes you proud to be a democrat?

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#34)
    by Lww on Sat Dec 31, 2005 at 12:40:16 PM EST
    Charlie, just listen to yourself for a second? "White tash",southern reptiles?" Of course you think you're the enlightened liberal amomg us, yet you paint people with a broad brush of vindictive that shows your un-liberal mindset. You, regrettably, illustrate the problem with the left in this country today; absolutely insane with a hatred of people who don't buy into their way of thinking. So you're a Jew? BFD. What does that make you, some kind of priveledged character? You live in the North? BFD again. I grew up in NYC and the Jews are the most segregationist people in the country as far as I can see. So spare me your outrage about what's going on around you. Hypocrite. You probably don't have a black friend to your name yet you act like some advocate. Schmuck....you like that word don't ya?

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#35)
    by Kitt on Sat Dec 31, 2005 at 05:09:19 PM EST
    So you're a Jew? BFD. What does that make you, some kind of priveledged character? You live in the North? BFD again.
    How do you figure, LWW, AND what does this have to do with Lynndie England? I mean, I can say 'Gai tren zich' in several languages in which I'm not at all fluent. (And now, in Yiddish.)

    Re: Lynndie England Burned in Prison Kitchen Accid (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 12:18:20 AM EST
    I think that what she was put thru & to have EVERY SO CALLED AMERICAN TURN ON HER!!!???? HELLO PEOPLE WAS IT NOT THEM WHO STOOD BEHIND THOSE TERRORISTS & SHARED IN THE HATE FOR US!!?? I know that 2 wrongs don't make a right & that we are supposed to especially being in an Authoritative Position that how she was made to look was well wrong; However what I'm asking each of you whether your Left or Right Wing it doesn't matter what really matters here is this; What Happened to United we Stand Divided We Fall???? UH???? So she Made a bad choice!!! But who here on this Website hasn't at least once in their life times??? UH??? I'm not Jesus but what while that Woman who'd gotten caught sleeping with a Man that wasn't her Husband; let me remember oh yeah that's right the Town's People wanted to STONE HER TO DEATH!! EVERYONE HAD AN OPINION ON THE MATTER SO THEY ALL WENT TO JESUS & HE SAID HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE!!! Yeah that's what he said!! SO WHO HERE ON THIS WEBSITE IS WITHOUT SIN???? NOT 1 D. 1 of U are; so U know what instead of persecuting her as though you have that right; cause Nobody knows what they would have or wouldn't have done in her position ok???? & Don't say you would cause you don't!!! Not 1 D. Person here on this Site isn't Perfect either; so ok you have your First Amendment Rights To Your Freedom of Speech; but each of you need to find some compassion in your Hearts & say a Prayer for her & her Family Period!! For crying out Loud it's Our Military are we with them or against them??? It takes me back to when I was in School & remember studying about How those Poor Men came back from the Vietnam War or whatever War that was; They was spit on & called names; Hello the U.S. Government sent Young Men into that War & Told them to do what they did & not 1 D. Family Member or American Born Citizen backed them even though they was sent over there whether they wanted to be there or not they had no choice or else back then!!! & Each of U Know it too; It makes me Sick to see U People typing such indespicable comments. What if that was U? Would you want to know that everything that U was doing in the Military was all for absolutely Nothing??? Think about it??? They attacked us First at Time when we was Most Vulnerable; Not only that but Intelligence knew the CIA knew & God knows who else but did they warn us or did the people that was trying hard to tell their Superiors that something was going to happen that Dreaded Day??? The Answer that everyone knows is NO!!!! So her getting Burned like that deserves our Sympathy to not only her but to her Mother & her Child as well; if U can't do it for Lynndie then do it for her Mother & Her Child if you have any room in most of UR Blk. Hearts as it would unfortunately seem. Don't U think that there's enough Hate in the World??? Would it be so Bad to actually try to see things from someone else's perspective or is that asking too much uh????? One thing b4 I go; Remember This IF U CAN'T FORGIVE GUESS WHAT NONE OF YOU WHO REFUSE TO LET GO OF THIS WILL BE FORGIVEN OF UR SINS EITHER!!! JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHILE UR OUT THERE PASSING JUDGMENT WHERE U SHOULDN'T!! IF YOU CAN PASS JUDGMENT THEN START CLEANING OUT UR CLOSETS AT HOME FIRST & IN UR OWN FAMILIES B4 U START IN SOMEONE ELSE'S??? May God's Peace & Love Endure for Lynndie & Her Family & As well for each & everyone of U who seem to believe that U can just go around Talking like U have some sort of Right to Pass Judgment on another American Born Citizen WHO WAS HELLO SERVING OUR COUNTRY No1 HAS MADE ANY OF U GOD'S IN ANY WAY SHAPE FORM OR FASHION!!! So I hope that everyone will decide to have some sort of understanding but if not it's on U & Between U & God Cause it's just plain Wrong; no matter what she did?? She doesn't deserve to be left in pain; none of U would like it so why would any of U think that she does??? God Bless The U.S.A. & GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS; NOT THE PREZ. NOT THE VICE PREZ. NOT ROVE NOT ANYONE BUT OUR TROOPS; THEY ARE THE ONE'S PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE & ALOT GETTING KILLED I DON'T SEE ANY OF THE B.ADMINISTRATION'S CHILDREN OVER THERE?? I WONDER WHY??? Anyhow that's it. I am done here!! You can either accept what I've said & just think about it or you can make rude vicious comments; if you can come on here & say mean rude things about 1 of Our Own then; I can say what I have as well!!!! First time on here & probably most have made alot of enemies which is fine I didn't come on here to win any popularity contests or make friends there I said it!!! Now I'm done!!! Ciao

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