Trump Unplugged in California: Advocates Torture

As the media focuses on the Trump protesters at his rally last night in Orange County, CA, I hope it doesn't overlook what Trump is saying -- to cheers of his supporters. For one thing, he's back to advocating torture. The LA Times reports on what it calls his "raw" performance.

Donald Trump put his roughest edges on display Thursday night in Costa Mesa as he opened his California primary campaign with a raw performance highlighting his hard-line views on illegal immigration and torture while trashing an array of rivals.

He criticized Ted Cruz for not supporting torture: [More...]

“He’s actually a very weak person, so he didn’t like it,” Trump said. “I’d go many steps further than waterboarding — many, many steps further.”

The crowd rewarded him with "another huge burst of cheers."

Trump appearances increasingly evoke an image of a circus coming to town. I wonder how many people show up just to witness his carnival barking and be part of the scene.

Do we need to be worried about Trump taking California or even Orange County in November? Orange County used to be California's most Republican stronghold -- but it's diversified over the past decade:

Orange County’s population has diversified, with an influx of Asian and Latino residents slowly diminishing the political clout of whites.

A decade ago, Republicans were 48% of Orange County’s registered voters; now they are 40%. Democrats have risen from 30% to 32%, while nonpartisans grew from 18% to 24%.

State-wide, there are far more Democrats than Republicans in California.

Trump is creating a tinder-box with his outrageous and irresponsible comments, but I still don't believe he'll be a significant threat in November. As I opined the other day, we were raised better.

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    Orange County (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by MKS on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 08:38:07 AM EST
    It depends where you are in Orange  County.  Northern Orange County is very diverse and Democratic.   It has a very, very large Latino population in Anaheim-Santa Ana.  It has the largest Vietnamese population outside of Vietnam.

    Irvine has a large Korean population with store signs in Korean.  The University of California at Irvine has a enrollment that is majority Asian.

    Southern Orange County and the Beach Cities is  Beach Boys/white Orange County--what is thought of by most when they think of Orange County.  But it has become more Libertarian than straight line conservative.  And there are a lot of liberals along the coast.


    "You folks are looking at (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 10:40:46 AM EST
    the most prepared man in history to step in as president of the U.S" said the legendary Indiana coach, in his introduction of the real estate developer/reality show guy who never so much as served as dog catcher (no offense to dog catchers)at an Indiana rally.

    Coach Knight enthused as Trump followers are want to do: Trump will be one of the four best presidents, ever. Harry Truman being one, the other two he kept close to his sweater vest. My speculation is: Buchanan (Pat) and Curtis LeMay. While Knight may have gotten his Buchanans mixed up, and LeMay only made it to a great Stanley Kubrich parody, that would not matter.  Knight, as with Trump, is not taken with details.  

    Trump, like Truman, would drop a nuke. And, Truman, like Trump, was said not to be presidential. But Truman dropped that bomb in 1944 "saving billions of US lives."  Which, of course, is curious that a US Senator from Missouri would be dropping a nuclear bomb at that time, and even more so, in that a nuclear weapon was not yet ready for dropping in 1944. But, saving billions of Americans is, it must be granted, presidential.

    The crowd loved it and Trump nodded, in equal parts  agreement and appreciation.  But, then the rally was better than hearing Fiorina sing.

    Oh My God (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 10:45:26 AM EST
    It makes my head hurt.

    Watching the Indiana Governor right now. Do these people really believe the words coming out of their mouths, or is this the most pathetic arse kissing submission to crazy evah?


    I'm just going to have to avoid (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 10:53:59 AM EST
    All Trump coverage to stay migraine free. I could skirt around it but he's the chosen now. Ability to channel surf around it is over. I can't be the only person in this country being forced in that direction. It's too offensive. A person is going to have to be a sociopath to remain stress/horrified symptom free from now till November. I'm not embellishing, I'm really not going to be able to do this. And I can't be alone. Will the barf factor affect Trump press coverage?

    Bobby Knight, the Entertainer (none / 0) (#10)
    by christinep on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 12:11:44 PM EST
    The 2 Entertainers ... Trump & Knight could do a stand-up routine in Indiana with a little soft-shoe thrown in for applause.  Add a chair prop for Coach Knight, and the crowd would go wild.

    As one who spent undergrad and grad years in Indiana, what memories their show revives.  What trumped everything then--abominable behavior aside--was "He wins basketball games."  (We would all gulp something down to divert from whatever the latest Knight tirade was, because...basketball. Really.)


    and is it any wonder our children (none / 0) (#1)
    by cpinva on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 06:46:36 AM EST
    look at us in shock? two candidates for the highest office, advocating actions that got many people hung after ww2.

    Whenever I see/hear a politician (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 09:44:08 AM EST
    Advocate for torture anymore, I see and hear an American volunteering for SERE training.

    If a little torture is okay and a lot is even better, I assume that since the Donald won't be busy Presidenting he'll be at some sort of SERE training showing all of us weaklings how the strong live and succeed this December. If he does it the first half of December he should show up for Christmas dinner at his best, confident and strong. A great American!

    No mention of the protestors? (none / 0) (#6)
    by NycNate on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 10:48:01 AM EST
    I can not say I am surprised you didn't mention the violent protests.  Maybe you don't think it was violent.  The behavior I saw from the anti-Trump crowd is going to drive people to vote for him.  Nothing he has said is nearly as bad as the behavior last night and the fiasco in Chicago.  

    Ignorant fools proving Trump's point... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Aspidistra on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 12:18:20 PM EST
    Are a bad look for the Democrats.  We should be doing our best to keep these anti-Trump protests peaceful - not making excuses for the violent morons who show up for a bit of "fun" and who have most likely never voted in their lives.

    There are jerkoffs and attention-getters at every rally, agreed, but pretending that what these yahoos are doing is okay is as unacceptable as the violence itself.  The violent acts that these "counter-protestors" (I don't think that they showed up for anything besides trouble) are engaging in is unacceptable, and even worse, they are making Trump look reasonable!  It's a really bad look and the Democrats should be working to stop this nonsense.

    The only people who should be looking unhinged are the supporters of Trump.


    Agreed. Stay classy, and Keep the (none / 0) (#12)
    by ExPatObserver on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 12:22:16 PM EST
    Aspidistra Flying.

    Made me google. (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 12:59:12 PM EST
    As someone who has taken (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:28:18 PM EST
    Part in protests more recent than the 60s, there is no way to uninvited the anarchists. Sorry, but there isn't. And they do only show up to cause mayhem, and they are very organized. Much more organized than the hippies that the protesters generally are. You don't even know they are there until what they planned kicks off.

    People peacefully protesting are not responsible for anyone other than themselves.


    What do you want someone to say? (none / 0) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 11:12:23 AM EST
    What do you want us to mention?

    Americans are free to protest, and protesters are individuals. Too often those who commit acts of destruction or violence at a protest aren't even one of the "protesters". Anyone can show up to a protest...it's America...land of the free. There is no criteria to meet other than show up.

    I don't know that acts of destruction weren't committed by Trump supporters in response to the presence of anti-Trump protesters.


    Amendment One (none / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:19:38 PM EST
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    says nothing about it being ok to riot and burn police cars and destroying other property.


    What do you want us to mention?

    How about, "Hey dummies! What you are doing is illegal and very wrong and just turns people against you. So knock it off."


    And nobody I have gone to a protest (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:32:23 PM EST
    With has ever done such a thing. But the counter protesters at the Bush ranch tried to run us over and they destroyed our property.

    During the first big anti Iraq War protest after the standoff at the Bush ranch, an anarchist group planned their own festivities. They were never "with us" though. They just used us to blend in and attempt to hide.


    All cats look the same in the dark (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:44:33 PM EST
    And Bush was already President and Social Media wasn't the presence it is now.

    So any bad the Bishies did was wrong but meaningless today.


    Right: Calling Trump a d**k (none / 0) (#9)
    by ExPatObserver on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 11:23:51 AM EST
    is  orders of magnitude worse than Trump promising torture and nuclear strikes.

    The only people who'd be ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 01:26:16 PM EST
    ... "[driven] to vote for [Trump]" by the sight of what happened on the streets in Costa Mesa are latent (and not so latent) white supremacists who disdain the presence of people of color in this country, are too immature intellectually to think critically for themselves, and prefer instead to channel their frightened inner ten-year-old and run to Daddy.

    You know (none / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:23:50 PM EST
    watching rioters burn and destroy drives me to believe that the group that the rioters represent are not who I want to run the country.

    Can you spell D E M O C R A T?


    Sorry, Jim. (none / 0) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:42:53 PM EST
    We tried it your way in 2000, and we ended up with a dimwitted president who was asleep at the helm prior to 9/11 and who, once jarred awake, proceeded to bequeath to his country two failed wars (one of which was commenced under false pretenses), a drowned city, and a doubled-over national debt with a collapsing economy in free fall. And now, you're offering us a couple of reckless d--k-swinging yahoos as candidates, who've both basically pledged to transform the lives of people of color into a living hell.

    I'll offer better than even odds that a lot more voters will look at that, shake their heads in obvious disgust, and spell REPUBLICAN. Being the nudge-nudge-wink-wink "independent" that you are, well, good luck with all that.



    Mark Halperin, whose very presence on cable news renders him the poster child for the perils and pitfalls of social promotion policies, seems to believe that Trump could put California in play, at least enough to "make Clinton play defense."

    Joe Scarborough's eyebrows almost rose to his hairline in obvious surprise, and he all but laughed in Halperin's face, telling him point blank that since Pete Wilson's toxic tenure as governor, California has become an electoral wasteland for Republicans. Yet Halperin doesn't back down, further crediting Arnold Schwarzenegger with "rebuilding the GOP with the power of his celebrity."

    What was MSNBC thinking, giving the dimwitted Halperin his own TV show?

    Halperin (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 29, 2016 at 02:33:16 PM EST
    is just a mess. People have to knock him into reality on a daily basis.