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The iPhone 6 will be in stores on Friday. You can also preorder. It comes in two sizes. You can compare models here. If you are conflicted about which one to buy, read this. And if you currently have a grandfathered-in unlimited data plan, make sure it's still available if you buy a new phone. I'm going to take a pass for now since Apple gave me a new iPhone 5S for free 2 weeks ago when mine died. I also think it's too big.

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    20 years today for the Mrs. SUO and I. (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 11:21:31 AM EST
    I fixed her toilet this AM, we will be together forever.

    May your lid (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 11:23:35 AM EST
    Be always down.

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    congratulations sir... (none / 0) (#82)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 11:25:53 AM EST
    Mazel tov, my friend. (none / 0) (#83)
    by caseyOR on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 11:36:57 AM EST
    I See (none / 0) (#86)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 12:03:44 PM EST
    The secret to a long marriage is to not let the mysteries of the toilet leak...

    Here's to another 20! ++

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    Children die... (none / 0) (#1)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 16, 2014 at 10:01:36 PM EST
    from vaccine? I can't even contemplate this, if true.

    What? (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 16, 2014 at 10:18:45 PM EST
    The programme was suspended amid rumours of sabotage of a high profile international effort to ensure the brutal civil war does not result in an outbreak of measles.

    If that's true i sure hope the  find who did it.


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    Speaking of vaccines, my mom's high school (none / 0) (#4)
    by Green26 on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 12:55:55 AM EST
    friend from Mlles City was Maurice Hilleman. Developed 36 children's vaccines. "Of the 14 vaccines routinely recommended in current vaccine schedules, he developed eight: those for measles, mumps, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, chickenpox, meningitis, pneumonia and Haemophilus influenzae bacteria."

    Wiki.

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    I ordered new phone on line since (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 16, 2014 at 10:18:15 PM EST
    I lost the phone I had. Problem:  expected delivery is mid-October.

    Perchance, has the phone you ordered ... (none / 0) (#5)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 04:45:42 AM EST
    ... been out of stock since the Reagan administration?

    ;-D

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    I had one of those and was it ever heavy. (none / 0) (#48)
    by Angel on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:08:12 AM EST
    It was known as "The Brick" (none / 0) (#54)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:24:12 AM EST
    but was a real status symbol.

    He who dies with the most toys wins.

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    Did you get the big 'phablet'? (none / 0) (#7)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 06:58:46 AM EST
    A friend had the same experience with that. My smaller size one should come Friday....however I have yet to receive a shipping notice, so color me sceptical.

    After I get it I can sent you my 5 if you need one in the interim. Or maybe you are enjoying being unplugged!

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    Is that why? Yes-supersized. (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 07:06:46 AM EST
    Yes, the big ones seem to be very popular (none / 0) (#49)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:12:35 AM EST
    Personally I did not want one that big. I like to carry it in my pocket.

    I read that they expect sales of the iPad Mini to really drop off as people get the big phones instead...but Apple does not care since the profit margin is higher on the phablets.

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    Why politics is the way it is (none / 0) (#6)
    by Politalkix on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 06:45:33 AM EST
    link

    People do not vote based on what politicians do for them but their cultural affinity. What incentives do politicians have to do anything for these voters? None, Nada, Zero! Just give them the culture war that voters want and people will vote for you. And Republicans know that!

    "The Affordable Care Act allowed Robin Evans, an eBay warehouse packer earning $9 an hour, to sign up for Medicaid this year. She is being treated for high blood pressure and Graves' disease, an autoimmune disorder, after years of going uninsured and rarely seeing doctors.
    "I'm tickled to death with it," Ms. Evans, 49, said of her new coverage as she walked around the Kentucky State Fair recently with her daughter, who also qualified for Medicaid under the law. "It's helped me out a bunch."

    But Ms. Evans scowled at the mention of President Obama -- "Nobody don't care for nobody no more, and I think he's got a lot to do with that," she explained -- and said she would vote this fall for Senator Mitch McConnell, the Kentucky Republican and minority leader, who is fond of saying the health care law should be "pulled out root and branch."


    It's official... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by unitron on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 07:09:28 AM EST
    ...she's not smart enough to be worth more than $9 per hour.

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    Actually what she has (none / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:27:33 AM EST
    is welfare.

    Not that I am against her having it, I'm glad she is getting help.

    But we really should he calling it what it is and pushing for a real single payer system based on the Medicare model paid for by a national sales tax.

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    Finally got to watch the Streisand clip (none / 0) (#10)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 07:11:16 AM EST
    from the other thread. Very good. Liked her little bit of shyness when she came out to the applause. What a long, amazing career she has had.

    Fallon has some decent pipes. (none / 0) (#75)
    by caseyOR on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 11:03:10 AM EST
    Can you imagine getting to sing with Streisand? She is so amazing.

    I have read rumors of a possible movie of Gypsywith Streisand playing Mama Rose. How great would that be?

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    Pretty darn great! (none / 0) (#84)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 11:49:33 AM EST
    Hope it happens. Dhe'd be a good director for it too.

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    If Winter is Coming (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 07:16:48 AM EST
    Could it just get here already? The burning sensation formerly  known as Dog Days has lost its charm!

    NASA reporting (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 07:27:15 AM EST
    that globally, August 2014 was the hottest August on record. On the upside, next Tuesday is the 1st day of Fall.

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    Several heat records (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 08:33:24 AM EST
    Broken here in august but not the hottest on average because it kept jumping between cold and hot.  Several day in August and sept were also the coldest on record.

    ???

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    We did not have any of the strange coolness (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 08:51:53 AM EST
    In August.  I was jealous of you.  I was at an afternoon football game weekend before last at the Crampton stadium in Montgomery and it was almost 100, add humidity and caboom.  It took parents the rest of the weekend to recover from melting.  I did not take an umbrella in because the band director emailed requesting no umbrellas.  I don't know why.  But a load of Southerners ignored him and I do know why now, because an umbrella in a white concrete stadium blocks more than rain.  It blocks direct sun too.

    When it was time to leave, I could not decide which was more painful.  Was it the reflecting of sun off the concrete, or the heat emanating from the asphalt while walking on the parking lot?

    Incredible heat

    But I see that we are projected to have more of those delicious visits from the arctic this winter.  It freaks everyone else down here out.  But I love it.  I thrive in it.

    I may not get any more limes though.  I thought for certain the lime tree was dead.  It is a dwarf.  But a new lime tree shot right out of the roots in the ground this spring.  The new branches will probably have to mature for a year before it sets limes again.  This coming winter sounds like it is going to kill them again.

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    I actually like it to (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:00:32 AM EST
    Especially now that I don't have to worry about going anywhere.  Heck, I don't even shovel the walk.  Last winter there was weeks at a time when I did no open the front door.

    My only worry is, being right on the division line, ice.   I love snow not ice.  We are often hammered by ice.   It destroys trees and power lines.  Plus I have three gigantic trees towering over my little house.

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    There has to be some kind of (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:11:20 AM EST
    No ice storm solstice dance that if we do it naked scares the ice away.  I don't think I can melt it anymore...possibility of scaring it though :)

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    Well (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:21:12 AM EST
    It would certainly keep the neighbors away

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    Only publicly (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:24:44 AM EST
    They'd be secretly videoing me from the Suthrun piety of a deer stand or a duck blind.  These Southerners are freaks :)

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#74)
    by Slado on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 11:02:20 AM EST
    This chart shows that days above 90F are actually going down in the US.

    Notice that the year 1934 was way hotter then it is now.  

    Apparently the "experts" state that while the warmer temps aren't as hot the lower temps are a bit higher dragging up the average.  Keep in mind "hotter" means 0.1C.   Oh my goodness!

    Also how is arctic Ice at record levels if the world is the hottest ever?

    I thought the Ice was gong to melt away?

    All I know is this winter according to the farmers almanac is going to be a cold one.

    Somebody better tell NASA.

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    Be careful what you wish for (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 08:06:35 AM EST
    Me? (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 08:25:33 AM EST
    In that map I'm right on the boundary between "bitter and snowy" and "brisk and wet"

    In another map I am right on the bullseye of the worst expected weather.

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    Found it (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 08:30:38 AM EST
    Linear to exponential (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 08:43:54 AM EST
    Busch League (none / 0) (#19)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 08:58:03 AM EST
    Anheuser-Busch publicly chastised the National Football League on Tuesday for its handling of domestic violence cases, making the NFL's official beer sponsor the first major advertiser to put pressure on America's most popular sports league.

    Busch to NFL

    Pot meet Kettle --

    How many fights at stadiums, bars, restuarants, in cars, on freeways, at home and in hotel elevators take place after a night of  drinking an Anheuser InBev product???

    LOL -- it's too many to count.

    Wouldn't it be classic if it turned out that the Rices had both been drinking Bud Light before the famous elevator incident???

    Took the words out my mouth... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:08:30 AM EST
    when I saw the A-B statement on the news this morning, my first thought was "Isn't Budweiser like the official fuel for domestic abusers?"

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    I think that is a stereotype (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:16:05 AM EST
    I suspect there are as many Chardonnay and Absolute fueled attacks.  Heard of this guy?

    Republican Senior Federal Judge, Domestic Abuse Experts Call for Accountability for Wife-Beating U.S. District Court Judge Mark Fuller

    It's interesting t me there has been so much coverage of black football players and virtually none of a white republican district court judge

    Last week, we wrote about the disturbing similarities (and differences) in the wife-beating cases of the NFL's Ray Rice, who knocked out his then-fiancée/now-wife in an Atlantic City hotel elevator in mid-February, and that of Alabama's U.S. District Court Judge Mark Fuller, who beat his wife bloody in an Atlantic City hotel room in early August.

    Despite the allegations in the now-sealed 2012 divorce documents from his first wife, suggesting that he also beat her up (as well as their kids), Fuller, like Rice, is being treated as a first time offender by the court system, and being allowed to enter a pre-trial diversion program to avoid prosecution entirely. Both will avoid prosecution and have their arrest records completely expunged, as if the beatings never happened, upon completion of domestic abuse counseling. Rice has agreed to attend sessions for a year; Fuller has agreed to once-weekly domestic abuse counseling for just 24 weeks.



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    Oh (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:17:41 AM EST
    And Fuller is still on the job

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    Well (none / 0) (#37)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:29:21 AM EST
    It's interesting t me there has been so much coverage of black football players and virtually none of a white republican district court judge

    Apart from classism, racism, sexism and other social problems, the only reason that the Media is not covering Fuler is that he is not a famous football player.

    Hard to sell beer, soap and chardonnay on stories about a middle aged white wife beater when you have an audience of 136 million people who regularly watch NFL football and will eat up every bit of news about a Star player who has fallen from grace.


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    It is... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:43:50 AM EST
    You know me, I don't blame the drug ever, I blame the user. Not being able to handle your drug of choice is no excuse at all for anything...especially violence.

    I just find the outrage circus humorous...if we held politicians and judges and police to the standard we want to hold NFL players to we might be getting somewhere...I think we got this whole thing backwards man.  How do we pull our sponsorship of our government without going to jail?

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    I like the way you think (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:54:28 AM EST
    But seriously the whole NFL thing is taking on a racial aspect that should be really troubling to anyone who knows that domestic abuse is an incredibly widespread an common problem.  Certainly not confined to any ethnicity.
    But you would never know that from most of the coverage.   I honestly think it's one reason Fuller in never mentioned even tho his case is outrageous.  He is still on the bench.  He didn't ever get a suspension.

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    Indeed... (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:59:43 AM EST
    imagine if domestic abuser Wall St. brokers were banned indefinitely from grifting, domestic abuser cops banned indefinitely from policing, etc. etc.  The white unemployment rate would go through the roof!


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    OK (none / 0) (#46)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:01:25 AM EST
    if we held politicians and judges and police to the standard we want to hold NFL players to we might be getting somewhere...

    If the public was as interested in run of the mill politicians, police and judges as they were in NFL players we might be getting somewhere.

    Or If the public was as interested in non-celebrities as they were fixated on celebrities behavior we might be getting somewhere.

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    Don't get me started Squeak... (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:05:19 AM EST
    As a people, we sure are funny about who we give the 'role model' mantle.

    Personally, my role models don't have to run the 40 in under 4.5 seconds...that's a might dumb metric for a role model.  I look for charity and goodwill and righteous living in a role model...none of which has anything to do with football.  I look to football to be entertained by great athletes, not great people.  And I certainly don't loom to sports for role models...that would be idiotic.  

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    Role Models? (none / 0) (#55)
    by squeaky on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:25:46 AM EST
    Not talking about role models but the system of how and why some stories are widely dispersed by the media and some hardly hear of in the media.

    That has to do with public's addiction (human nature?) to celebrities. The media makes money by selling stories that many will want to read.

    There is little question that thousands, millions will turn their head to listen to a story about a NFL player who is in a scandal, while few will pay attention to a lackluster Judge who beats his wife.

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    It's all related... (none / 0) (#61)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:35:47 AM EST
    part of our celebrity obsessed tabloid culture is turning celebrities into role models, then clutching our pearls when they fall from grace.

    We love dirty laundry.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:30:48 AM EST
    It's interesting t me there has been so much coverage of black football players and virtually none of a white republican district court judge

    The judge can't run a 4 sec 40....

    But I support your point.

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    kdog (none / 0) (#52)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:21:50 AM EST
    "Isn't Budweiser like the official fuel for domestic abusers?"

    LOLOLOL --

    You get a high 5 for that one.

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    Gracias Senor... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:30:53 AM EST
    great minds think alike;)

    I no more look to the makers of Budweiser for moral guidance than I do a professional sports league...I look to Budweiser for a cheap buzz, and to football for entertainment.  For all I know the guy I will buy a slice of pizza from for lunch may have done terrible things...I wonder if I should ask for his criminal record and pizza shop surveillance tapes and judge him by the worst thing he ever did prior to buying a slice?  Nah, I just want a slice of f*ckin' pizza! ;)

    Has Halliburton or BP or Walmart condemned Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson and the NFL yet? LOL

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:05:24 AM EST
    But Busch, full disclosure my former employer, has very progressive policies.  Their complaint was they can't support something so obviously antithetical to the policies they have worked so hard for so long to promote.

    and they are not alone

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    Let's cut through the .... here: (none / 0) (#78)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 11:16:55 AM EST
    InBev is on a frugality campaign and has been for years now.

    It wants to renegotiate its contract with the NFL and is going to use this situation in order to try to do it.

    And the others are following suit.

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    There are two ways (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 11:22:14 AM EST
    To bring change in this country.  One is to hit them in the courts.  The other is to hit them in the pocketbook.   Whatever works.

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    Even Worse... (none / 0) (#88)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 12:19:06 PM EST
    ...no one has pulled their ads from the NFL, not Anheuser Busch or CoverGirl or any of the other advertisers who have made statements about their fumbling of the domestic violence issue.

    They are disappointed and care deeply, just not enough to mess with their bottom line. And yet, nearly all sponsors have pulled the plug on Rice and Peterson.

    I have not cancelled my NFL ticket.  Not sure if Rice had played in GB if I would have, I would like to think so, but I also love football.  I guess I care deeply and am disappointed, just not enough to mess with my Sunday entertainment.  Sad.

    This is pretty funny, someone revised the CoverGirl's 'Get Your Game Face On' NFL campaign.HERE

    The NFL has a much lower rate of domestic violence then the public in general.  I found that surprising, considering the 12 current players have domestic violence issues.

    Domestic violence and related incidents rank among the NFL's biggest off-the-field problems, with 87 arrests involving 80 players over the last 14 years. The only other crime category with a larger number of arrests involving NFL players is DUI. But while the arrests are troubling, the rate is lower than the national average for men of similar age, according to an analysis by FiveThirtyEight. LINK

    And lastly, kdog, you have to admit, the GB comeback on Sunday was a thing of beauty.  Plus the Texans are 2-0 in the division, with the three other teams have a one combined win.  

    Every game I watched was a serious come from behind win.  

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    Will Scotland ruin the Union Jack? (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:02:12 AM EST


    No (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:05:56 AM EST
    I'm on the edge (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:08:13 AM EST
    Of taking that bet

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    I almost said (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:12:24 AM EST
    "HEY BETTING GIRL, are you making that bet:)!"

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    Scotland has had it's own flag (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:51:03 AM EST
    since the 16th century.  During yesterdays contentious discussion had I used the words "separate colonies" instead of separated all could have been fine.  I've never understood the reasons for using bold font to make a point seem more valid but hey whatever floats your surfboard is ok with me.

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    Curiously the flag of Hawaii (none / 0) (#51)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:15:59 AM EST
    has the Union Jack in it's upper left hand corner.  The belief among the English flag group, that has a very strange name, is the Union Jack will not change.  Canada flies the Union Jack along side the Maple Leaf flag of their country.

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    Yes, but Scotland's flag is part of the (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:33:38 AM EST
    Union Jack.  The Union Jack is a combo of England's cross, Ireland's cross, and Scotland's cross.  Without Scotland's cross the Union Jack becomes red and white, looks like a bastardization of the state of Alabama flag.

    On the other hand, who knew that the State of Alabama was so attached to Saint Patrick? How novel, kind of enchanting...carrying on Irish traditions in this huge immigrant nation. That's my story, heritage not hate, and as a Yankee I'm sticking to it.

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    Yes you are correct MT but... (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:48:36 AM EST
    the Union Jack was created by the English to fly on the bow of ships and it would be up to the English to change it since the Scots could care less what their conquering evil neighbors do with that flag other than shove it up their arse.

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    It is all that is left of their empire :) (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:50:08 AM EST
    This flag, beloved by punk rockers and skateboarders all over the world :)

    I'm good with keeping it.

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    Also, not all Scots want to leave the union (none / 0) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:53:03 AM EST
    It seems a bit up in the air :)

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    Nope (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:55:48 AM EST
    To paraphrase groundskeeper wille 'some are happy to crawl like worms under the English boot'

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    Come on now (none / 0) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:56:39 AM EST
    The union is strong :)

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    No dog in fight (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:59:52 AM EST
    But my nature to root for revolution

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    Scots can parlay this into (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:59:03 AM EST
    Better representation :)

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    If BTD was a Scot (none / 0) (#72)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:59:51 AM EST
    He'd write that up :)

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    I do have to say (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 11:12:22 AM EST
    The limited reading I have done in the last couple of days the "reasons" to vote no seem sort of lame.  If not laughable -

    9. Sharing Scottish Oil resources benefits us all

    The vast income and revenue from oil in the Scottish part of the North Sea is too much to spend for a small country like Scotland. You find it fair to share these vast resources with the rest of the United Kingdom and benefit both from the wealth and revenue.

    Seriously.  Has this actually worked for hundreds of years?

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    I don't have (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by sj on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 12:06:18 PM EST
    a dog in this hunt either, but I'm hoping they kick the Sassenach to the curb. It's not like the flag will change.

    But truthfully, maybe I think that because I don't really care what happens to it.

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    Just reading about that (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:07:21 AM EST
    Both opinion polls put the No campaign on 52 per cent, with support for Yes on 48 per cent, setting the scene for a highly-charged final 24 hours of campaigning.

    The final result could lie in the hands of voters who are yet to make up their minds.

    An ICM poll for the Scotsman put the undecided vote at 14 per cent, but suggested the Yes campaign was gaining ground.



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    A google news headline today (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:18:03 AM EST
    asks if there will be riots after the vote.

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    Asks or hopes (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:20:15 AM EST
    Is there any reason to expect this or is it like expecting "looting" in Ferguson?

    Just asking.  I hate the media.

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    Nothing I hate more than the (none / 0) (#50)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:14:44 AM EST
    hopeful speculation about possible rioting. Specuhoping? I know I used to have a name for it.

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    It is interesting to me that (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:23:11 AM EST
    It is so evenly divided.  Seems like the whole world is divided up into equal camps these days.   They look like. US polls.

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    America's Favorite... (none / 0) (#36)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:28:05 AM EST
    Scottish Ex-Pat, Scotland's prodigal son, chimes in.

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    I love it, and you too. Miss you (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:36:10 AM EST
    Josh and I watched 'Last Week Tonight' on it.  Mr Oliver was equally as funny.  He finished with discussing what if Scotland lost the currency of the pound?  They would have to join the not so stable Euro, or return to their old currency of sheep and threats.

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    I'm hoping the Scots do it... (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:54:48 AM EST
    and the Scottish people are better represented and served.

    And if they do secede and are a success, we can get crackin' on busting up this union we got here.  I often think we would all be better served if we broke our country up into 5-6 countries.  It's impossible to get representation in a country this large and this corrupted by money...sh*t it's hard enough on the state level.  The M.T. clan can always come to the United States of the Northeast as refugees...I'll sponsor ya;)

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    Just please (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:56:56 AM EST
    Please please don't leave arkansas in the south.

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    We will know tomorrow kdog (none / 0) (#53)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:23:18 AM EST
    and for some reason they don't use the word secede but instead use the word separate.  Not sure what the difference is but I'm sure there is one.  I'm hoping they separate which they've been trying to do for centuries.

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    Unfortuneately, Missouri would IMO not (none / 0) (#59)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:30:56 AM EST
    be in the country of my choice. Can't afford to move so I would be worse off under your scenario and in no way better served.

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    Maybe a right-wing NYer... (none / 0) (#62)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:42:21 AM EST
    would trade houses with ya MO.  Just as you would want to escape conservative rule, others would want to escape liberal rule.  

    The plan is not without it's logistical flaws and innocent victims...but I still think in the long run we'd be better served representation wise.  Or maybe I'm dreaming and true representation in government is one of our fairy tales, like equality under the law.  Lord knows I don't feel represented by my state government either, but it's closer than the feds.

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    Do you really think so? (none / 0) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:46:29 AM EST
    Missouri historically seemed to want to be part of both worlds.  I had one portion of my family just get the hell out of Missouri during the civil war.  Had no dog in the fight, just wanted away. And another branch that had the eldest son...ahem...desert the Confederate Army, and steal a horse in doing so, and swing at the end of a rope. Everyone seemed to get the heck out of Missouri for different reasons and meet up out West and procreate :). Such a confused state then though.  Isn't still confused?

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    Not so much (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:51:57 AM EST
    But for a pocket or two it's very red.  More so than Ar.

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    Sad (none / 0) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 10:53:36 AM EST
    Missouri is a pretty conservative state (none / 0) (#85)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 11:54:15 AM EST
    with a strong conservative Republican state legislature in Jeff City.

    Even many who profess to be progressive have areas where they are downright conservative.

    Whole lot of people have had their brains rotted out by Fox news and who could easily fill in for Limbaugh. They have all the talking points down pat.  

    On my recent trip, there was a person of the male gender who proudly proclaimed that his views made Limbaugh seem like a liberal. He got high fives from several people of both genders. Another passenger related an incident where a male gave a statue of Rosa Parks the finger while calling her a wh0re.

    Up until a few years ago, I mainly associated with a group of local artists and didn't realize the mind set of the people in my own area. Since then, my eyes have been opened and the incident in Ferguson was a further eye opener. I was unpleasantly surprised by comments made by people who I had viewed as at least somewhat liberal.

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    BAHAHAHAHA (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 09:37:48 AM EST
    "You'll notice that on no country rich in oil do men wear pants "

    Colbert explains it all

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    My prediction is Donald (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by fishcamp on Wed Sep 17, 2014 at 11:04:51 AM EST
    is now up and reading these comments from his far away island.  I'm hoping for another history lesson which I truly do appreciate.  The good news is he's usually 100% correct.  The bad news is I don't think he likes my comments verra much ye ken.  We Scots are used to suffering but we do tend to rebel fiercely.

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