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    Somehow (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by smott on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 02:03:18 PM EST
    The story of these 2 teenage boys lost at sea off the coast of FL has me really down.
    What a shame.

    I know,me too (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 07:41:36 PM EST
    In these days when kids seem so restricted I applaud the freedom they were given to go off boating. I keep hoping they will be found safe somehow, but if not I hope it does not prevent parents from raising other kids with such independent spirits.

    I'm not quite ready to applaud the freedom (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 09:08:08 PM EST
    given 2 kids fresh out of the 8th grade to head out into the ocean to the Bahamas. Not sure what if any restrictions they were given, but with the boat found 67 miles offshore it's safe to say they didn't likely abide by them if they were given any.

    The family said they had made that trip (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 09:38:21 PM EST
    several times in the past. Bad things happen to adult boaters too, even experienced ones.

    I have friends that won't let their 22 yr old even drive cross country to college alone, and other examples. I'm sure this will reinforce all of those instincts in people.


    Yes, remember the pro football players? (none / 0) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 08:20:26 AM EST
    The Kennedy kids boated/sailed all over too (none / 0) (#93)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 08:21:42 AM EST
    They were unfortunate in other situations and circumstances.

    The sea can be terribly unforgiving. (none / 0) (#82)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 02:44:24 AM EST
    Two 21-year-old soldiers from Schofield Barracks on Oahu drowned late Saturday afternoon when they ignored warnings from locals to not venture out from the lookout at Halona Point Blowhole -- which is about 2.5 miles from what's now our daughter's townhouse in Kuliouou Valley -- to the ledges below, with the surf pumping as it was at 10-12 ft. in height.

    According to eyewitnesses, one was apparently swept off by an incoming big wave, and his buddy scrambled down to the edge of the rocks to try and grab him, only to be swept off himself by a second wave. Then they both disappeared in the churning waters.

    City and County lifeguards from nearby Sandy Beach Park were there in less than ten minutes, but even though they risked their own lives trying to find them, it was already too late. Divers from the Honolulu Fire Dept. recovered their bodies about 18 hours later from the ocean bottom at Eternity Cove, named for the famous love scene between Burt Lancaster and Deborah Kerr in "From Here to Eternity," which was filmed at that locale.

    It's always very sad to hear of young lives lost like that.


    Don't know if anyone saw this (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by jbindc on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:03:16 PM EST
    here in Wa (none / 0) (#53)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 07:48:07 PM EST
    I saw it in the local news in the middle of last week . . . whenever it came out . . .

    I have an LDS and religious background  . . . and I believe it is morally and spiritually bad to force people to do things contrary to their religious views and preferences, with the two exceptions of killing or abusing their kids or endangering public health . . .

    most people don't have my more extreme views . . .
    I also believe God takes vengeance on those who do wrongly . . .  sooner or later some pharmacists might disobey and be fined or jailed, and God sooner or later show society to knock it off . . .

    plan b and making bakers bake cakes for gay or lesbian couples . . . I believe somewhat that God will take vengeance on those who bother the pharmacists and the bakers . . .


    God and Pharmaceuticals (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by Steve13209 on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 07:54:14 AM EST
    I don't think God takes sides in such day-to-day matters of life. In any case, if you want to be a licensed Pharmacist, you have to dispense drugs as needed.

    If God does indeed care this much (none / 0) (#94)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 08:25:25 AM EST
    Why does God starve to death so many children all over the world yearly?

    it is possible (none / 0) (#105)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 09:34:21 AM EST
    It is possible that God wishes to teach men or mankind responsibility  .  . . and there are a lot of things that seemingly go wrong that man or men can and should learn to prevent or stop . . .

    God in the Bible say he curses those who lie, cheat and steal, if I recall correctly . . . the question is whether or not the wrongs God curses include bothering .5 to 3% or whatever % it is of bakers, florists and pharmacists . . .  I don't know . . .


    GOP debate Aug. 6 (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:07:14 PM EST
    It will include the top 10 candidates (potentially plus ties) based on the most recent five yet-to-be-named national polls using data released by Aug. 4 at 5 p.m. That means the 5 chosen polls will likely be in the field right now and through this weekend.

    Current list according to RCP:


    Those top 8 are pretty much guaranteed.

    Fighting for the last 2 spots in hopes of remaining relevant:


    Political Musical Chairs (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:49:23 PM EST
    Since these events are performances rather than actual debates or discussions, look for the guy with a lot of practice performing on TV to hand out zingers to the other nine stiffs.

    How great is it that Trump can bust these clowns for the same stuff liberals have tried for years to get past the media goalkeepers?  Now because The Donald points out that Perry is a moron, or that Wisconsin is a mess, FOX News has to cover it!

    I disagree with The Donald on everything EXCEPT his analysis of his rivals.


    Well (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:17:14 PM EST
    from that it looks like it will be Christie and Kasich because I can't imagine Perry moving up enough to be included nor Santorum. They might somehow mess with the polls to include Fiorina so they would have a woman up there but if they did that it's going to make the rest of them very angry.

    so it's gonna be 10 (none / 0) (#13)
    by CST on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:22:15 PM EST
    White-looking guys.

    I think that is an image all on it's own about the state of the GOP.

    And yes, I know Rubio is hispanic, but I'm talking pure optics here.  It's a powerful visual statement.


    What about (none / 0) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:26:05 PM EST
    Candidate #8?  

    Make that, (none / 0) (#15)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:26:53 PM EST
    Candidate Number 6.

    my bad (none / 0) (#16)
    by CST on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:32:28 PM EST
    must have missed that.  To be honest, I had no idea who he was and just made an assumption.

    Yea, I guess I shouldn't do that.


    As for Candidate #8, (none / 0) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 04:10:12 PM EST
    whatever happened to him?   Gone missing until seen  destroying the tax code with a chain saw, fire and a wood chipper.   Trying to out-trump Trump.

    Carson (none / 0) (#19)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:53:44 PM EST
    is a bit of a mystery to me, he has been virtually invisible yet he has maintained position.

    He's the guy (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 04:13:28 PM EST
    ...who every Republican can pick out by name from a picture of a crowd of Republican candidates.  It was the only explanation for Herman Cain, and it seems to be the only explanation here.  The dude DOESN'T EVEN CAMPAIGN.

    I actually saw a Carson (none / 0) (#31)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 05:00:10 PM EST
    bumper sticker on a car around Timonium, MD on I-83 on Sunday on my way into Baltimore.

    Awww (none / 0) (#33)
    by sj on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 05:08:30 PM EST
    you made me feel a little bit homesick.
    ...on a car around Timonium, MD on I-83 on Sunday on my way into Baltimore.

    I (none / 0) (#37)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 05:25:40 PM EST
    know an evangelical at work that likes him (elderly white male), he's a straight arrow for them, a real Doctor, not a snake oil salesman like preacher man Huckabee. He's a brain surgeon not a dumba$$ like Perry or Santorum.

    Then there's always the "I am not a racist because I once told a pollster I supported a black man" bias to his numbers, or maybe I am being way too cynical.


    Yes (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 05:45:37 PM EST
    he seems to quite popular with the religious right here in GA though probably not popular enough to win anything.

    I travel I-83 every day from Sparks to (none / 0) (#61)
    by Anne on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 08:07:59 PM EST
    the Inner Harbor and home again and have never seen one.  Have seen a few Ready for Hillary stickers, but that's about it.

    Didn't you mean (none / 0) (#57)
    by scribe on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 07:59:29 PM EST
    Client #9?

    It (none / 0) (#17)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:40:04 PM EST
    seems like Christie has been steady at #9 for weeks, he is dropping $250k on a FNC ad buy so I consider him a lock. Kasich appears to be surging and I think he will edge out Perry for #10, Santorum's only chance is for Huckabee or Cruz to crater but that probably helps
     Perry also, the rest should be out looking for some wingnut welfare gigs.

    When all else fails (none / 0) (#26)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 04:15:41 PM EST
    ...drop a bundle on ad time.  Purchase the refs.

    Rachel (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 04:25:29 PM EST
    pointed out that it's convenient for FOX that the only way the candidates can raise their profile with national republicans is to purchase ad time on FOX news.
    That was the whole 250 k ad buy from Christie.  FOX News.

    I have to (none / 0) (#28)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 04:40:26 PM EST
    ...admire the genius behind the FNC strategy of playing GOP candidates against each other for ad buys.  The well of Koch/Trump/Bush money is so deep it will never run dry.

    Hosting the debates and cornering the market on the ads that will get a candidate on that stage, FNC is rubbing the GOP's metaphorical face in, "The game is crooked, but it's the only game in town."

    By going more and more with image over substance, the GOP has handed its reins to the image makers, who are only in it for the money they can take from GOP chumps.

    Popcorn futures are skyrocketing.


    Kind of think this time around (none / 0) (#52)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 07:46:57 PM EST
    candidates can stay alive longer than the first couple of debates. It is only August and the sorting process is just beginning, plus I doubt the big money donors or influential GOPers are thinking Trump is going to go the distance. If I were in the bottom 6 I'd sit back and let the other top 9 take the pain of dealing with Trump in the first couple of debates.

    New Hampshire poll by Monmouth (none / 0) (#76)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 11:46:33 PM EST
    to be released in the morning.

    Trump 24%
    Bush 12%
    Kasich 7%
    Walker 7%
    Rubio 6%
    Carson 5%
    Paul 5%
    Christie 4%
    Fiorina 3%
    Cruz 3%
    Huckabee 2%
    Jindal 2%
    Pataki 2%
    Everyone else <1%


    LEOs are liars. What else is new? (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:55:13 PM EST
    Posted on Radley Balko's page in the Washington Post today. The warrant for the raid that blew a baby's  chest cavity apart with a flash bang in Habersham County, Georgia was based completely on lies. Only one officer, a Nikki Autry, has been indicted, by federal prosecutors, on four counts of making false statements to judge to obtain a no-knock warrant. This is a SWAT that was completely cleared by local law enforcement, the local DA, local grand jury and the GBI. Talk about covering up for your own. This whole case is disgraceful. Everyone in the justice system in that county belongs in prison.
    https:/www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/07/27/lessons-from-the-drug-raid-that-burned-a -georgia-toddler

    link is broken (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CST on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 04:05:14 PM EST
    you have an extra space.

    Here is the fixed link.


    thanks . . . (none / 0) (#58)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 08:01:35 PM EST
    thanks to chuck0 and cst for the link to the article . . .

    This is (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 04:02:22 PM EST
    a backwater North GA county if there ever was one.

    I think that both you and I have spoken our piece on that particular subject. Some people are simply impervious to fact and reason, and there's really no sense letting them irritate us any further. Dogs bark, the caravan passes.

    I really wish some people would tone down their rhetoric on the campaign trail, because its toxicity is really permeating everyday political discourse and corroding our corresponding ability to govern ourselves.

    Mike Huckabee made a thoroughly disgusting comment this weekend about how President Obama was consigning Israelis "to the ovens" with our prospective nuclear arms agreement with Iran. And given his recent bigoted remarks about LGBT citizens in the wake of the Supreme Court decision on marriage equality, one can only wonder how The Huckster ever graduated from theology school. Oh, that's right, he didn't.


    Oops! (none / 0) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 05:08:43 PM EST
    My comment was in response to GA6thDem (No. 11).

    Oh, (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 05:17:24 PM EST
    I know what you are saying about political discourse and it's sad. Everything that happens the GOP starts screaming it's the end of the world. All gloom and doom they are. And then any bump in the road Hillary has they are screaming it's her demise and yet she keeps going.

    USA! USA! USA! (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 10:13:23 AM EST
    Ladies and Gentlemen, we have arrived.  Our weed is so good it is now being smuggled into Mexico, reversing a 100 year trend.  

    American industry soaring like a majestic bald eagle once more, it's times like this I am so proud to be an American. Land of the best reefer, home of the best growers.  God Bless America.

    I could have helped them on this (2.00 / 1) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 09:42:43 PM EST
    Feds Study How Men Look At Women When They Drink

    Remember how at the height of the Ebola epidemic the NIH said they didn't have enough money to develop an Ebola vaccines? They even (falsely) blamed Republicans in Congress. Well, they are too busy squandering their money on things like this.


    The study began in May and has received $222,172 thus far. The budget for the project will not expire until April 2016... Teresa Treat, an associate professor of psychology at the University of Iowa... is leading the study... Treat also received $221,494 from the NIH last year to study how alcohol affects men's "learning about women's cues."

    And you wonder why a significant number of tax payers are permanently in a po'd position.

    Because men look at women who drink? (none / 0) (#79)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 12:12:19 AM EST
    Study concludes... (none / 0) (#96)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 08:46:24 AM EST
    they use their eyes, same as when sober, just cloudier.

    Yeah, kdog, but we didn't need to spend (1.00 / 1) (#107)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 09:52:07 AM EST
    $200K and change... We already had a C&W song that covered that.



    Exception being the Irish... (none / 0) (#108)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 09:56:48 AM EST
    who once they start drinking, can only see the next drink, and nothing but the next drink.



    the thinkprogress piece (none / 0) (#2)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 02:13:00 PM EST
    Anne in a different thread or area linked to a piece at thinkprogress, which seems to establish that the order to Sandra Bland to get out of the car can be found unconstitutional because it was unnecessary to accomplish the purpose of the traffic stop.  Police can order a person out of their car, but they can't do things that unnecessarily delay the ending of the traffic stop beyond what is reasonable to accomplish the purpose . . . and it very much appears that the officer did exactly that and it is forbidden . . .

    As I understand the constitutional law (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 02:54:49 PM EST
    governing traffic stops, Zaitz has it just right. Police can order a person out of the car during a routine traffic stop without individualized suspicion that the person is armed or otherwise dangerous, because of the inherent risks of traffic stops to the police. Moreover, it does not necessarily violate the Fourth Amendment to inflict a custodial arrest for a traffic offense, even when that offense does not carry a potential penalty of imprisonment. But police cannot prolong a traffic stop once its purpose is accomplished (issuance of a citation or warning) just to permit further investigation. Don't yell at me. I'm not endorsing all those decisions, just reiterating what the Supreme Court has held.

    how nice (none / 0) (#45)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 07:07:58 PM EST
    Thanks Peter for the compliment on my ability to properly understand and summarize the USSC decisions on traffic stops . . .

    esp given that many others who post here have, either once or repeatedly, stated that I am dense and lack understanding of either the law or their posts . . .

    about prolong a traffic stop beyond what is reasonable . . .  I think that there is even just slightly more than what you have written . . .

    a law enforcement officer may not take actions to unnecessarily prolong the stop or delay the situation, absent safety reasons or a suspicion of other crime, meaning, he can't arbitrarily prolong the time in his car, if in process of checking a driver's ID or registration or traffic or criminal record, if he has chosen to check these things; the leo cannot cause unnecessary delays in bringing a ticket or warning to the driver or other persons . . .

    but we are nearly perfectly agreed . . .


    If in doubt, go w/Peter. (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 07:13:42 PM EST
    by the way (none / 0) (#78)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 12:12:03 AM EST
    It seems to me to be a form of cruel and unusual punishment to create jail and arrest for a traffic offense which itself has a maximum penalty of $50 or $100 or any such similar sum, especially given that a single day of arrest can have a dramatic and negative effect on a person's employment or even such things as appointments with doctors, chiropractors, massage practitioners or even birthday-parties with children.

    I am not sure if anyone wishes to nominate me for the USSC--probably not, especially not Anne and the Senate would probably question me about a lot of things they do not like--but I can't imagine arrest being an appropriate response to a traffic infraction with a $50 maximum penalty, unless the person in question also has a series of FTA, a dozen unpaid tickets or other semi-serious problems . . .


    mosby's motions denied again (none / 0) (#3)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 02:18:19 PM EST
    It appears that in the last week or two, motions made by mosby's office to get the judge to order suppression of a lot of information have been denied . . . again . . .

    Moreover, the judge in denying the motion states that there is nothing in the assertions made by the state that would justify the sweeping prohibitions being requested in their requested order . . .

    I tend to think that at least some of the police acted stupidly or negligently . . . but Mosby is also convincing me she is acting unethically or knows the law and the constitution very poorly and should be removed at the earlier opportunity by anyone with the power to do so  . . .

    Which cops were stupid or negligent? (none / 0) (#8)
    by McBain on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:05:17 PM EST
    I know it's tempting to think, "she must have something", otherwise Mosby wouldn't have made such strong charges.  However, that's what people said during the early days of the Zimmerman and Duke Lacrosse cases.  

    tend to think (none / 0) (#47)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 07:14:59 PM EST
    I wrote, "I tend to think"

    That means, in this case, I am making a guess . . .

    but I don't claim to know and my belief is weak . . .


    about the police (none / 0) (#48)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 07:19:18 PM EST
    I could be wrong, but it appears that someone of the police had the ability to place the man now dead into a seat-belt and he or they declined to do so, and moreover, he or they declined to do so after being urged to do so by the driver of the police vehicle.

    That was probably stupid and/or negligent.


    I'd like to know more about the seatbelt thing (none / 0) (#75)
    by McBain on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 11:20:30 PM EST
    I heard the policy to use seat belts was a new one and the cops involved might not have even known about it.  

    the driver says (none / 0) (#80)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 12:17:49 AM EST
    It is being reported in the media that the driver of the van has passionate urged his comrades to place the person they had arrested in seat belt or the similar thing they have.

    For years upon years upon years, at least in Wa state and ore and California, you have had to wear a seat-belt to drive and your passengers generally had to be in seat-belts if available.

    2012 marks the 10th anniversary of Washington's seat belt law changing from a secondary law to a primary law. That change allowed law enforcement to issue a seat belt ticket when there was no citable offense.

    In 2011, King County had a seatbelt usage rate of 98.1%, one of the highest in the nation. The Washington state seatbelt usage rate overall was 97.5%. While this use rate is encouraging, occupant protection is a priority area for improvement.

    From 2008 to 2012, 72 unrestrained motor vehicle occupants died in King County. Unrestrained occupants made up 29% of all vehicle occupant deaths.

    Research shows that if you wear a seatbelt, you are much more likely to survive a crash. Everyone in the car should also wear a seatbelt. Studies show that in a crash, unbelted passengers might fly into belted passengers, causing severe injuries or death to the belted passengers.

    Maybe the people in Maryland never got around to having a seat-belt law?


    A little research would have shown you (none / 0) (#88)
    by Anne on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 06:49:18 AM EST
    that MD has had seat belt laws since 1986, and in 2013, those laws also covered all occupants, not just those in the front seat.

    If you took the time to research Washington State's laws, it can't have been that hard to answer your question about MD's laws, could it?


    Just because a defendant is acquitted ... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Yman on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 09:55:21 PM EST
    ... doesn't mean a prosecutor didn't have something.

    We know Mike Nifong had nothing (none / 0) (#74)
    by McBain on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 10:36:42 PM EST
    on the Duke Lacrosse players.  For months people in the media were saying he must something.  You and I aren't going to agree on Zimmerman but you should at least agree about Nifong.

    It was a general point (none / 0) (#98)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 08:53:04 AM EST
    Your logic is flawed if your suggesting a mete acquittal (Zimmerman) means a prosecutor "has nothing".

    The Boston Olympic Plan (none / 0) (#4)
    by CST on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 02:42:15 PM EST
    Is officially dead.

    Basically - it didn't have public backing or support.  Personally, I'm somewhat disappointed, I may have been the only local looking forward to it, but one of the problems with Boston is the big dig hangover, where people no longer believe public officials that say it will cost "X" for a massive project.

    In other words, there are good reasons to be skeptical.  That being said - I may be one of the only people that also thinks the Big Dig was worth every penny.  I think it's hard to argue it hasn't fundamentally changed Boston for the better in ways that haven't been measured (future tax dollars) to justify it.

    The only upside I can think of is that it got people seriously thinking about how to improve certain areas of the city.  I hope they take that momentum and continue forward in those directions regardless.  But political will (money) for massive change is always hard to come by.

    Hosting the Olympic Games (none / 0) (#6)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:00:50 PM EST
    ..., like hosting the World Cup, is more a curse than an honor.  Taxpayers pick up the tab for enormous, one-time-use sporting facilities, so broadcast networks can make money.  All over the world you can find these fossilized remnants at former Olympic and FIFA host cities.

    Not to mention the inconvenience visited upon the citizens of Boston, one of the more difficult cities to navigate.


    Interesting (none / 0) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:08:44 PM EST
    I find Boston (along with New York) the easiest big cities to navigate.

    I found New York that way, too. (none / 0) (#83)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 03:08:53 AM EST
    When we spent a few days in the city while visiting Elder Daughter in college, we rented a car at JFK and I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it really was to find our way around the place. However, getting out of the city to drive north to Albany did become a bit of an adventure. The only other times I've been to New York as an adult has been to change planes on my way to Europe.

    I've driven in a lot of cities over the years, and the only three I've ever gotten completely lost in and had to ask for directions were the mid-sized cities of Richmond, VA; Nashville, TN and Portland, OR. I did get off on the wrong off-ramp in Miami, FL once, but I was only disoriented for a few minutes before figuring out where I was. Nowadays, with GPS, the odds of that happening again are between slim and none.



    the U.S. (none / 0) (#11)
    by CST on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:10:27 PM EST
    did just fine hosting the world cup, IMO.  Sports facilities were already in place.

    It's true, we don't need the extra facilities here, although a soccer stadium near downtown probably wouldn't go unused.  And some of the other venues could've been taken over by local universities (I believe that was the plan).  Plus, there was a move toward 100% private financing for these venues.  The problem is no one believed they would pull that off.

    But the whole idea for supporting the olympics (to me) would be the upgraded transportation infrastructure that came with it.  Because as you mention, is is one of the more difficult cities to navigate.


    The balk came with the requirement (none / 0) (#56)
    by scribe on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 07:58:47 PM EST
    that the City execute a guarantee that they would cover any cost overruns out of taxpayer funds.

    To put it charitably, all of these projects are presented with numbers that are blowing smoke, and the overruns usually come in somewhere in the neighborhood of 100%.  One of the [many] things that helped push Greece over the edge was the guarantee for the venues and operation of the 2000 Athens Olympics, which came in grossly over budget and sit, disused and weed-filled, abandoned.

    That, and the committee refused to release honest financials.

    And it came out that the committee was paying Deval Patrick $7500 a day for ... being Deval Patrick and going to some meetings.  And he was just one of the many worthies getting $10k a month or more to be on the team.

    Taking this thing out back of the barn and giving it one in the neck may have been the smartest thing MA's governor has ever done.


    I thought it was Mayor Martin Walsh ... (none / 0) (#84)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 03:23:04 AM EST
    ... who delivered the coup de grace to the bid, by declining to sign a host city contract with the IOC. Either that, or MA politicos put him up there as their designated fall guy.

    Anyway, that's neither here nor there at this point. With Boston declining to move forward on its bid, Los Angeles is likely the clear frontrunner as the U.S. candidate for the 2024 Games. And like 1984, the city enjoys a running advantage, because it has most all the requisite Olympic facilities already in place. (Of course, L.A. was also the only city to bid for the '84 Games.)

    If its bid is accepted by the IOC, L.A. will become the first city to host the games on three separate occasions.



    It was the mayor (none / 0) (#103)
    by CST on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 09:32:19 AM EST
    not the governor.  And he was once one of the biggest pushers of the Olympics so it's kind of weird optics, but whatever.

    Deval Patrick had also declined the Olympics money after it became public, but continued to serve as "ambassador".

    The U.S. isn't Greece, we tend to pull off Olympics more reasonably.  I'll say this, the whole thing was a pr nightmare from the beginning and they went about selling people on it entirely the wrong way.


    BTD (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 03:59:07 PM EST
    you are being disrepected on the email thread.

    Not anymore (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 04:55:10 PM EST
    One thing that we can be sure of (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Zorba on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 05:22:58 PM EST
    Is that BTD can take care of himself.    

    He's (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 06:12:59 PM EST
    back screaming censorship.

    And BTD (none / 0) (#41)
    by sj on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 06:17:22 PM EST
    ...can still take care of himself.

    Although part of me kinda sorta doesn't blame you for telling on him, it is a rare thing for BTD to read an Open Thread.


    The concern (none / 0) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 06:22:12 PM EST
    trolling and throwing around things so far hasn't changed anything except taking up blog space.

    wev (none / 0) (#44)
    by sj on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 06:36:50 PM EST
    I thought that BTD was actually ... (none / 0) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 09:22:22 PM EST
    ... pretty patient with him for quite a while, but the guy wouldn't take the hint and let it go.

    Yeah, well (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 09:44:41 PM EST
    when you make the same point over and over based on facts and then a person keeps ignoring the facts and writing the same thing they wrote 50 times before it's just tiresome but you made him absolutely meltdown in an ugly way with your basically simple and to the point post.

    Yeah, I must say, ... (none / 0) (#85)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 03:34:08 AM EST
    ... that was a really rancid retort on his part, as comments go. But from that every first post, he was clearly leading with his chin, and so he only got what he deserved. Oh, well, H8ers gotta H8, y'know? It certainly won't be the last time we'll see any of that nonsense, for sure.

    It's hardly a hint with BTD (none / 0) (#101)
    by Reconstructionist on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 09:20:25 AM EST
      It's what he does. He writes hugely and intentionally flawed analysis to pander to theLCD here and hopes the obtuse will extend his arguments even further into magical thinking.

      Then he gets mad when confronted tries a few sill insults and when those fail he deletes the posts.

       I will repeat: when the evidence free assertion that no classified communications were conducted on Clinton's server becomes undeniable,, I trust he and those of you falling for his silliness man up and admit you were wrong.

      I'll also advise yo that having taken the bait and staked out such an obviously untenable position on nothing but blind faith and wishul thinking, you will not be among the people who can credibly assert, well, its really no big deal if she did.

      Your actions now in being so rabidly defensive pretty well illustrate that regardless of what you might say, you know that negligent handling of classified material by a SOS is a big deal.



    True Detective needs Caitlyn Jenner (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 04:52:45 PM EST
    per PreviouslyTV-

    True Detective needs a dimensional lady villain.

    This is one thing about Cait: she's still of formidable size, six foot two and nearly two bills. Watching Fran Semyon unfold herself from a negotiating table to a full height, in heels, of six six is a rad visual.

    Vaughn is going for "pleasant with a menacing undercurrent" thing that isn't a dime he can quite turn on yet, because our association with him is not in fact "pleasant," really. "Funny," sure. "Nice guy," not exactly.

    Caitlyn? Suuuuuuper-nice. Self-effacing. Wheaties-boxer. Seeing a source get nailgunned in the reflection of her excellent sunglasses is going to resonate on a bunch of levels.

    She can do her own stunts.

    Running, leaping over sh!t, driving (with apologies to the victims of that pap wreck; I'm referring to her auto-racing stint in the mid-eighties).

    She could get Kanye to guest.

    And various Kardashians. I don't hate the idea of an Armenian-Mafia subplot; I have zero doubt Kim could sell it as a cold-blooded capitalist in a custom skirt suit.

    She's used to execrable scripts.

    See above re: Can't Stop The Music, and she didn't turn up onscreen again until Jack & Jill, both nominated for Razzies (I think CSTM won). I didn't see the latter, but Caitlyn, then Bruce, is not terrible in the former, rockin' the boy-bowl 'do and the cut-off shirt AND micro-jorts. Behold:

    clip from Cant Stop the Music

    ...I know, it's a lot. Take a minute, collect yourself.

    I taken to watching the show just to see how interminable the pointless noodling dialog scenes can be.

    It really is just horrible (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 07:52:25 PM EST
    But I can't look away.

    Are you talking about ... (none / 0) (#86)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 03:36:36 AM EST
    ... "True Detective," or the endless media fawning over Caitlyn Jenner?

    Kelly Reilly does better playing flat affect (none / 0) (#100)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 09:20:04 AM EST
    Gangster wife, Vince Vaughn having a hard time finding his inner Soprano.  He may have been too loved as a child :) He was a great serial killer though in Clay Pigeons.  Maybe if True Detective would allow his character to chuckle or something.

    Colin Farrell's character IMO made an interesting transition after releasing his son. Seems like he stopped dragging an incredible weight around.  His voice and spirit changed. I think  he's done a decent job with greasy, manipulative, violent, grief stricken, functional alcoholic.

    I'm still in it till the end.


    Oh (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 10:07:03 AM EST
    im definitely in till the end.  Which is just two more.  It's a fascinating peek into the mind of a writer who thought his dialog was why we loved Woody and Mat doing their respective thing.
    If there is a season three I expect lessons will have been learned.
    There are many things about the series I love.

    The endless pointless droning dialog scenes are not one.


    IMDB is confused (none / 0) (#59)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 08:02:40 PM EST
    over how to credit Jenner for acting gigs.  FWIW, I remember the Love Boat appearance.

    IMDB sez Jenner (notice how cleverly I dodge the personal pronoun?) was in a recent film titled Jack and Jill.  I remember a 70s sex comedy with the same name.  The star of that film, (and it was film), Jack Wrangler, made an equally difficult transition.  With luck or timing like that (he lived until 2009) Wrangler should have gone into the stock market.  An entire generation of his fellow actors were killed.  Seems like a million years ago.


    May have posted not his before, but it just makes (none / 0) (#62)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 08:15:07 PM EST
    me happy. What joy to watch an old fashioned star power hero for a change. I love my Damaged Man shows too (Don Draper, Tyrion and Jaime Lannister,  I'm talking to you) but this is fun and refreshing.

    Did you see (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 08:22:29 PM EST
    Olive Kittridge?   I recorded it but just got around to it last weekend.  Do good.

    Yes, loved it. Really unique characters (none / 0) (#70)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 09:40:47 PM EST
    I love pundits (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 06:13:29 PM EST
    watching Tweety for my afternoon dose of conventional DC wisdom.   They are discussing Donald, of course, and how other candidates can or should deal with him.   It's said they all need to take aim at the Donald.
    One says (paraphrase) "well, maybe.  But remember that line from The Wire about if you strike at the king you better not miss.

    Earlier today I apologized to Yeats.  Now it's Emerson's turn  for an apology.

    My favorite part of Tweetys performance is when he belches mid sentence.

    Blah blah blah - hesitate BUUUUUUUUPHH - blah blah blah.
    He does it at least once on every show.

    I'm glad (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 06:26:26 PM EST
    you watch the nonsense and report back so I don't have to watch it. I can't take the pearl clutching anymore. I guess I'm just too old.

    And yes, striking the king is absolutely true. Walker calling him a dumb dumb was the ultimate in stupidity.


    I tuned into MSNBC one night last week (none / 0) (#54)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 07:51:20 PM EST
    just to check out the inanity - hey, I was on vacation! Was glad to see that 10 years later Tweety is still correcting people on the pronunciation of Dick Cheney's name. Tweety is THE ONLY ONE in media who pronounces it 'Cheeney', but so he has to explain it every time he does. "that's the way the family says it'.  Too funny.

    Ha (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 08:19:09 PM EST

    "Cheeny, that how ........ BUUUURRRAPH..it's pronounced"


    And in the same episode he was going on about (none / 0) (#68)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 09:25:04 PM EST
    the Pope and Catholic politicians....I swear it could just have easily been an episode from the last time I regularly watched, oh so many years ago. Amazing the schtick still sells.

    Fred Thompson (none / 0) (#77)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 12:10:29 AM EST
    That is when I stopped doing even a drive by with the Tweetster. He was so agog agog over Fred. You know, a nice, real and honest guy. Hello, he is an actor and not even a good one. Every time I see him on Law and Order rerun, I think of Chris. I really should have stopped watching him earlier when over at DK BTD gave me a nice reply which basically said he was a quack. It just took me longer to get the message but he was correct. Heh.

    Ugly term, "cuckservative," crystallizes (none / 0) (#49)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 07:36:04 PM EST
    a Republican Party crisis

    The bizarre popularity of cuckservative is intimately connected with the startling rise of Donald Trump, with many of his fans contrasting him with Jeb Bush and John McCain, who they brand as exemplar cuckservatives.

    Things are getting just plain weird (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 07:43:02 PM EST
    on the right.

    As if I need another excuse ... (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 09:17:28 PM EST
    ... to blend a pitcher of margaritas and make nachos.

    That story (none / 0) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 27, 2015 at 08:07:11 PM EST
    about how many people identify with that type of thinking is unfortunately true.

    I had no clue what that was (none / 0) (#97)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 08:46:51 AM EST
    I don't watch enough pron or hang out at 4chan enough I guess. So Obnoxious and vile, imagine that coming out of the Republican base :)

    It seems (none / 0) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 09:05:54 AM EST
    like everything that comes out of the GOP base these days is so vile.

    No solutions, nothing civilized, just hate :) (none / 0) (#102)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 09:21:14 AM EST
    "Editor's Note: Clinton Email Coverage" (none / 0) (#81)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 02:34:40 AM EST
    More from the NYT:


    No Press is Bad Press, Mr Trump? (none / 0) (#87)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 05:25:07 AM EST
    Donald Trump's lawyer threatens reporter over ex-wife's claim: 'You cannot rape your spouse'

    "I will make sure that you and I meet one day while we're in the courthouse. And I will take you for every penny you still don't have. And I will come after your Daily Beast and everybody else that you possibly know," Cohen said.

    "So I'm warning you, tread very [frickin'] lightly, because what I'm going to do to you is going to be [frickin'] disgusting. You understand me?"

    "You write a story that has Mr. Trump's name in it, with the word `rape,' and I'm going to mess your life up...for as long as you're on this frickin' planet...you're going to have judgments against you, so much money, you'll never know how to get out from underneath it," he added.

    Rick Wilson, a prominent Republican consultant, said the lawyer's comments - just the latest party line from a man described as "Trump's pit bull" - represented a campaign that was parroting his hyperbole.

    "The Trump circus is largely comprised of hangers-on with a key skill set: kissing Donald Trump's ass," Wilson told the Guardian. "Oddly, the same skill set doesn't extend into other domains like politics, common sense or judgment."

    The Guardian (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 08:14:36 AM EST
    doesn't understand Republican politics if they think that accusation is going to threaten his lead.

    Let is look at what his wife said then (none / 0) (#106)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 09:34:31 AM EST
    The 1993 book, by author Harry Hurt III, includes a statement from Ivana Trump stating that she referred to the sexual encounter in question "as a `rape', but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense". Donald Trump has long insisted that the assertion of assault was "false".


    taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or allegory

    And what she says now:

    In a statement first published by CNN on Tuesday, Ivana Trump distanced herself from the controversy.

    "I have recently read some comments attributed to me from nearly 30 years ago at a time of very high tension during my divorce from Donald," the statement read. "The story is totally without merit. Donald and I are the best of friends and together have raised three children that we love and are very proud of. I have nothing but fondness for Donald and wish him the best of luck on his campaign."

    "Incidentally," she added, "I think he would make an incredible president."

    Now the reporter, bless his heart, ignored what was said and decided bring up some old BS that has been refuted then and now. That's his job if he is working for the National Enquirer. Not if he actually wanted to report on the issues. His wants are obvious.

    The lawyer did a dumb thing, made an incorrect statement, and should not have lost his temper. Reporters feed on being threatened. But, what the press doesn't understand is that this will only improve Trump's position as an outsider embattled by the media and the political establishment who only want to to feather their nest and care nothing about Joe and Jane Six Pack.

    We can debate whether or not Trump does but that is a different issue.

    As for the "Republican Consultant" the obvious retort to his comments is, "You have lost three elections in a row. Why should anyone pay any attention to you?"


    Girl power! (none / 0) (#91)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 08:18:25 AM EST
    Arizona Cardinals hire (who is believed to be) the first female NFL coach.

    Baby steps.

    The Cardinals hired Jen Welter as an assistant coaching intern for training camp and the preseason to work with inside linebackers. She is believed to be the first female coach of any kind in the NFL.


    It's the second such barrier to be broken in the NFL this year. The league announced in April that Sarah Thomas would be the first woman to be a full-time NFL official.

    Awesome! (none / 0) (#95)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 08:44:23 AM EST
    That along with the NBA coach are great news!

    Mosby's dilemma (none / 0) (#104)
    by Uncle Chip on Tue Jul 28, 2015 at 09:32:39 AM EST
    Has Marilyn Mosby been bluffing in the Freddie Gray case?

    Defense attorneys for six police officers accused in arrest and death of black man says prosecution has either failed to turn over key evidence or completely lied about conducting a thorough investigation

    How will she try to splain herself out of this one?

    Get the popcorn --