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    Been too busy (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 05, 2016 at 08:14:14 PM EST
    on twitter to keep up with what has been going on here BTD :).

    Meet the new Harry and Louise (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Anne on Fri Feb 05, 2016 at 08:27:30 PM EST
    A friend has pointed me to an excellent article on the health care debate; it is long, but well-written and eye-opening.

    In it, the author revisits the debates on the plans of 2008, examines the punditry, analysis and politics at the time, and compares it to what is being proposed and said today.

    There is way too much to responsibly excerpt here, but I promise you, it is worth your time.

    Those of us who remember what radio was... (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by desertswine on Fri Feb 05, 2016 at 08:43:29 PM EST
    and who Bob and Ray were, will take note of the passing of comedy legend Bob Elliot. This NPR photo is mis-labeled.  That's Bob on the right, and partner Ray Goulding on the left. Ray passed away some years ago.  

    I don't know much about Bob (none / 0) (#5)
    by McBain on Fri Feb 05, 2016 at 08:52:42 PM EST
    but I loved when his son Chris would appear on the Letterman show as The Man Under The Seats, The Fugitive Guy, and The Conspiracy Guy.

    Kinda wish I grew up without TV and could have experienced the radio days.  


    You know what we need? (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 05, 2016 at 09:18:25 PM EST
    We need some tasty '70s-era tunes to lighten the mood and take our minds off of politics, if only for a little while and just in time for Super Bowl weekend:

    Have a nice evening, everyone. Peace.

    Wow (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 05, 2016 at 09:38:19 PM EST
    Black Oak

    That's a blast from the past.  You know when I was in college in Jonesboro AR they were sort of the house band.  They were around all the time.   Some of that time they were The Nobody Else.  They got famous right at this time.  College for me, I mean.   Their first, Black Oak came out in 70 or 71.  Those were my college days.  After that they got all famous and stuff. I never knew the band members really but I knew Jims sister Lynn pretty well.  She dated a guy who was I my circle.

    Many psychedelic nights.  Nice lady as I remember.  

    Thanks for the blast.


    I take it that Lynn's bother Jim was ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Feb 06, 2016 at 12:37:49 AM EST
    ... the Jim of "Jim Dandy." One of my cousins turned me onto Black Oak when I was in 9th grade, going through a Southern rock phase and was into all things Lynyrd Skynyrd. I came to like Black Oak better. Awesome band.

    Money in Politics (1.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Kmkmiller on Fri Feb 05, 2016 at 10:56:18 PM EST
    The Goldman Sachs thing has actually hit the news cycle and not in a good way for Clinton, this is probably great news for Sanders. It is entirely possible there will be a day in the future when pundits discuss where Clinton went wrong and point to the speaking fees that led to her downfall.  

    In the twittersphere many clinton supporters are pointing out obvious things like its funny to see Andrea Mitchell talk about the issue given how much money Greenspan has earned. Yes he's no longer holding office but shes so sanctimonious so it looks funny.

    I've already expressed how silly it is, IMO.  No its not silly for everyone but is for me.  Also now thinking there's some sexism here. Rep. John Lewis is giving a talk at Goldman Sachs and he's still in office. No ones scrutinizing him.

    So I'm wondering after hearing all the talking heads opine on this issue:  I have to wonder if Barack Obama or Michelle Obama will have to say "no" to offers to speak at a bank (or anywhere) if they wish to pursue any other political career?  

    Thoughts on that question are welcome.

    Onto the topic of campaign finance. First I'm for public financing (I think it's funny most of that money will still come from the super rich and wall street) cause it removes appearances of conflict of interest

    Now I would be saying this even if Clinton wasn't running cause it just never made sense to me.  I hear these arguments, they seem to suggest that if you gave Rubio enough money he would support the Iran deal. Does it really work that way?  Probably not.  

    So I think a politician has a record or a set of policies they support and they are rewarded for advocating and pursuing those policies by donors who agree with them. Simple as that really.

    So why does anyone at Wall Street want a certain progresive politician?  Well this goes back to being able to have a broader view of Wall Street.  We already know millionaires like JJ Abrams and Susan Sarandon support dems but why?  Dems will raise their taxes substantially, right?  Well these two 1%ers want their taxes raised cause they know it is not only their civic duty, giving back to the country that made them so rich, but also out of self Interest.  They believe if they pay more taxes, there will be a more robust economy and more people will be able to watch more of their movies.

    Now if thats not so hard to imagine, why is it so hard to imagine there are people, very very rich people on wall street would have the same values as their hollywood counterparts? A robust middle class means more people investing, right?

    We already know two examples, Soros, and Buffet.

    Anyway I just don't ever see any quid pro quos on this issue.  If there were quid pro quos Clinton would now say she supports legalizing marijuana after receiving a huge (massive actually) check from Soros.

    I appreciate being able to express these views here I know there's other places where they would be considered quite radical and maybe offensive.

    What's this? (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 05, 2016 at 08:40:39 PM EST
    Another outlier maybe-

    The poll also showed that Sanders, who is from neighboring Vermont, leads Clinton, 50 percent to 41 percent, with 8 percent undecided.

    The key factor contributing to Sanders' lead over Clinton is his advantage among independent voters, who favor him over Clinton, 57 percent to 30 percent. Sanders also leads among men, 59 percent to 30 percent, and in the areas along the Vermont state line, 60 percent to 32 percent.

    One complication, according to Paleologos, is whether independent voters are drawn into the Republican primary. That adds to the volatility in predicting Tuesday's results. Independent voters can take either a Republican or Democratic ballot on primary day.


    Within 10 points is an outlier, yes (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Towanda on Fri Feb 05, 2016 at 08:58:46 PM EST
    but who knows what will be the impact of this weekend's arrival in the state of many women in Congress, campaigning for Clinton -- organized by the senior woman in the Senate, Mikulski.

    My Senator Baldwin will be there.


    I have been hearing reporters (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 05, 2016 at 09:05:04 PM EST
    Saying they believe Hillary's support and strength in NH is being underestimated.

    Let's hope so.  I think she came from behind here before.  

    Seems like the outliers are happening a bit more often.


    Given last night's debatethe Eric Braden (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Fri Feb 05, 2016 at 08:56:07 PM EST
    reporting on CNN's website today re Sen. Sanders and $$ is interesting.


    Hmmmmm (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 05, 2016 at 09:01:47 PM EST
    Sanders has based his presidential campaign on a fire-and-brimstone critique of a broken campaign finance system -- and of Hillary Clinton for her reliance on big-dollar Wall Street donors. But Sanders is part of that system, and has helped Democrats court many of the same donors.

    A Democratic lobbyist and donor who has attended the retreats told CNN that about 25% of the attendees there represent the financial sector -- and that Sanders and his wife, Jane, are always present.

    "At each of the events all the senators speak. And I don't recall him ever giving a speech attacking us," the donor said. "While progressive, his remarks were always in the mainstream of what you hear from senators."

    Sanders' political leanings were well known by the donors who attended the retreats. "Nobody was more surprised that Bernie was there than the donors were," said another Democrat who attended the retreats.

    The republican debate tomorrow (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 05, 2016 at 09:19:39 PM EST
    Coukd be totally worth watching.  With Marco "surging" and Ted caught red handed rat fu@king Carson.  

    Good times.