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Spinning Torture

By TChris, Section War In Iraq
Posted on Thu Nov 17, 2005 at 08:09:38 AM EST
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Apparently adopting the “lie and deny” strategy that served the Bush administration well until lies spawned the threat of indictments, Iraq’s interior minister “accused critics Thursday of exaggerating reports of torture at a lockup seized by U.S. troops last weekend, saying inmates included both Shiites and Sunnis and only a handful showed signs of abuse.” Not so, says Catherine Philp, who reports that the interior minister was “extremely defensive and not very convincing.”

"Sunni groups have been trying to present evidence - photographs, videos and testimony - for months, but they have only been taken seriously now that the Americans have become involved. …

"I've been collecting testimony today from people who have been held in all sorts of centres: interestingly, none of them was held in the Jadriya prison - they were all held in other places, which have apparently not been declared. It suggests that this is just the tip of the iceberg. …

"Now it has become much more publicly clear that the Shia have been waging their own form of civil war through their security services and death squads.

The interior minister's spin is unlikely to succeed in light of torture photos that are appearing in the Iraqi press.

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    Spinning Torture | 11 comments (11 topical)
    Re: Spinning Torture (none / 0) (#1)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:13 PM EST
    Ah, those pesky cameras. What goes around, click, comes around.

    Re: Spinning Torture (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:13 PM EST
    CIA asset Iyad Allawi summarily executed six FRESH detainees (not interrogated, charged, tried, or in any way tied to actual terrorism) when he took office from Paul Bremer. He did that IN FRONT OF US TROOPS, and should under our laws BEEN ARRESTED on the spot. Lawlessness, thy name is Bush. How much will Americans hate this Amerikan Hitler, when all his lies and threats and blackmails are enumerated for the public NAUSEATING edification.

    Re: Spinning Torture (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:14 PM EST
    Putting out fires with gasoline, I see. I'm curious as to how deep US involvement is on THIS fiasco. And if we will ever find out its extent. The civil war is now well under way.

    Re: Spinning Torture (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:14 PM EST
    Paulie... How much will Americans hate this Amerikan Hitler, when all his lies and threats and blackmails are enumerated for the public NAUSEATING edification. Another question is...How will you & people like you, react when history shows most of the BS you've been spouting is false?

    Re: Spinning Torture (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:14 PM EST
    Riverbend has some insight and thoughts to share about the torture centers in Iraq and the timing of the recent discovery.
    Only last year...... one such house was discovered.... My cousin..... said that when the Americans got inside, they found several corpses and a man hanging from the ceiling on a makeshift noose. The neighbors had tried to get the Americans to check the house for months- no one bothered. They finally raided it because they got information from someone in the area that it was an insurgents hiding place......the only way they'll check it is if you tell them it's a terrorist cell.
    Riverbend

    Re: Spinning Torture (none / 0) (#6)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:14 PM EST
    “lie and deny” strategy that served the Bush administration well until lies spawned the threat of indictments
    The underlying offensiveness behind this "lie and deny" mentality that is so deeply despicable to so many, is the outrageously insulting assumption that people are so stupid that obvious lies will be believed. This is how supposed "leaders" view the population? This makes them worth following?

    Re: Spinning Torture (none / 0) (#7)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:15 PM EST
    edgar-Bush and his elite find it important to lie as part of their ruling philosophy.
    Not only did Strauss have few qualms about using deception in politics, he saw it as a necessity. While professing deep respect for American democracy, Strauss believed that societies should be hierarchical – divided between an elite who should lead, and the masses who should follow.... This dichotomy requires "perpetual deception" between the rulers and the ruled, according to Drury. Robert Locke, another Strauss analyst says,"The people are told what they need to know and no more."
    link

    Re: Spinning Torture (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:15 PM EST
    Posted by BB: "How will you & people like you, react when history shows most of the BS you've been spouting is false?" I'll take that bet, BB, but let's not leave it to 'history.' Let's have it out IN COURT. We can start with the COURT OF THE SENATE. Impeach the Liars Now.

    Re: Spinning Torture (none / 0) (#10)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:15 PM EST
    bb-
    Hell, you're still going on & on about the election, with no proof.
    Gee bb that is the point. We need voting machines that have a paper record. I still can not fathom why wingnuts are so eager to give up their rights. You all are expendible tools drunk from the drooling of an idiot Chimperor.
    You are one of those hard heads that will never believe anything other than what you want to believe ... facts be damned.
    3 out of 4 Americans think the country is headed in the wrong direction. I guess your soapbox is rotting away.

    Re: Spinning Torture (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:15 PM EST
    You're one of those people that other people hate to bet with because you'd never admit you're wrong. If the Senate vindicated GW you'd be the first one screaming it was all a fix...
    You are talking about yourself, BB. Unlike you wingnuts, I care about our Constitutional rights. Impeachment is Article 2, and your party is PREVENTING A LEGAL AND FAIR INVESTIGATION OF THE WHIG'S LIES LEADING TO WAR. You screamed for Clinton's impeachment over a sexual impropriety between consenting adults. And now you won't allow a legal impeachment and trial of OBVIOUS charges. YOU are the ones who are Everything for Politics. I want the impeachment power to be used as dictated by the Constitution. What is your side afraid of? The answer is obvious. The further exposure of YOUR GUILT.

    Re: Spinning Torture (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:06:15 PM EST
    bb-"Hell, you're still going on & on about the election, with no proof." • We have solid proofs. The Diebold system is based on GEMS, which allows up to 100,000 votes to be added to the database WITH NO RECORD OF THAT CHANGE. There's a lot more proof, but this thread is about something else. It is the act of a COWARD to introduce off-topic issues, knowing that response to them would also be off-topic. But that's a primary characteristic of trolling, isn't it -- changing the topic so it can't be discussed.

    Spinning Torture | 11 comments (11 topical)