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Posted on Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 10:08:42 AM EST
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President Bush was greeted by protestors when he arrived in Argentina to attend the Summit of the Americas.

Around 10,000 protesters chanted "Get out Bush!" today on the streets of the Argentinean resort which is hosting the Summit of the Americas. Celebrities including the Argentinean soccer legend Diego Maradona are among the demonstrators who have gathered at the resort of Mar Del Plata, where the two-day summit starts later today.

Maradona yesterday addressed a huge crowd of protesters before taking a train to the resort, describing Mr Bush as a "criminal" and wearing an anti-Bush T-shirt.

The Argentinean star called for peaceful protests. As he spoke, protesters hung from the train's engine, shouting: "Fascist Bush! You are the terrorist!"

The train, which also carried Bolivian presidential hopeful Evo Morales among the protesters, arrived before dawn today and by mid-morning thousands of demonstrators were on the streets.

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    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:09 PM EST
    we can only hope someone will get bush..to stay!

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#19)
    by Andreas on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:09 PM EST
    Tens of thousands of people marched in a heavy rain Friday morning in Mar del Plata, demonstrating their opposition to the war in Iraq and protesting the Bush administration’s economic and military policies in Latin America. The march began shortly after 8 a.m. and filled 15 blocks with crowds chanting “Bush Out!” and “Fascist Bush, You Are the Terrorist!” Leading the march was Argentine Nobel Peace Prize winner Adolfo Pérez Esquivel and Bolivian cocalero leader and presidential candidate Evo Morales. Also in the front rank was a delegation from the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo, the organization that challenged the former US-backed dictatorship, demanding the return of their “disappeared” children during Argentina’s “dirty war.” ... Argentine soccer star Diego Maradona, who arrived in Mar del Plata on a special train filled with demonstrators, told the crowd, “I love you very much. Thanks for being here. Argentina has dignity, let’s throw Bush out.” Maradona wore a shirt bearing Bush’s image and the words “war criminal.” Earlier, Maradona told reporters that Bush was “human garbage.”
    Bush’s visit sparks upheavals in Argentina By Bill Van Auken, 5 November 2005

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:14 PM EST
    Fred Dawes... Why do you hate Argentina?

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:14 PM EST
    Sailor wrote:
    Shorter Blutto, ooops, I meant slado (AKA joe McCarthy); commies are at the door!
    You should remember that McCarthy was right. There were communists agents active in the State Department and other areas. And that includes Hollywood and the media. I direct your attention to, "Vernona," by John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr, Yale University Press, and broadcasted on PBS. Based on Top Secret decoded Soviet messages, and NSA and KGB archive information, it spells it all out. Buy and read it, Sailor. It will give you a toothache, but it will open your eyes. PIL writes:
    Glad to hear you side with ignoramuses once again, Jim.
    Demonstrations are nothing new in SA. I seem to remember the communists stirring one up for Nixon. As for Argentina, I repeat. The average American doesn't care about their opinion. They provided no support during WWII, and none during the long fight against communism. To get on the bus, you need to get your ticket punched. And if they weren’t rioting, you wouldn’t even know they existed.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:14 PM EST
    You should remember that McCarthy was right. Here comes PPJ to defend McCarthyism, and Operation Condor, to boot. That makes sense since Operation Condor was a perfect analogy to the current "War on Terror". After all, those "Moslems" in Argentina were communist sympathizing terrorists. They were commu-terrorists. That's right...they were better off disappeared. As for Bush and his policies, they are no different than those we have been foisting on that part of the world well...forever. The economic meltdown of 2001, when many Argentinians were reduced to near starvation, is still fresh in people's minds so it's no surprise that Bush got that sort of welcome there. As the free trade disasters pile up, Latin America is increasingly ready to buck the U.S. (transnational corporation) model being pushed by Bush. There are alternative economic models that do not involve a country being plundered by foreigners. And it is hilarious to hear a few trolls bring up the violence of protesters in light of the mass murder that occurred in this same region at U.S. behest/complicity over many decades!

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:16 PM EST
    And if they weren’t rioting, you wouldn’t even know they existed.
    Fat, dumb and happy...and blissfully ignorant anything outside the Bush/MSM propaganda worldview. That's the American Patriot, as defined by PPJ. No wonder the treasury is getting looted so thoroughly these days.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:18 PM EST
    "Demonstrations are nothing new in SA." And there, ladies and gentlemen, is the Jim's World view in a nutshell. Nevermind the US-backed dictators who made people disappear in the thousands and tens of thousands. Neverming the US-backed Saddam Hussein's of South America. "I seem to remember the communists stirring one up for Nixon." Yeah, Nixon was a real hero to humanity too! That's why he allowed carpet-bombing of Cambodia, setting off the Pol Pot genocide of millions. But look out for the Communists! "As for Argentina, I repeat. The average American doesn't care about their opinion."
    Glad to hear you side with ignoramuses once again, Jim.
    "They provided no support during WWII," Hey, they took in Bush's grandfather's Nazi pals in the thousands. What do you mean they provided no support? "To get on the bus, you need to get your ticket punched." If you're oil-rich, you can blow up US airliners and Bushliar will still shake your hand. How did Kadafi get in, Jim? Because the Libyans rushed troops into our WWII effort? LOL "And if they weren’t rioting, you wouldn’t even know they existed." You are speaking of yourself, and your fellow ignoramuses. Myself, I am in contact with a several Argentinians, quite a few Chileans, a few Brazilenos, etc. I live in Los Angeles, which is a world city. You live in the shadows and garbage of your racist worldview.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:19 PM EST
    PIL writes:
    Myself, I am in contact with a several Argentinians, quite a few Chileans, a few Brazilenos, etc. I live in Los Angeles, which is a world city.
    PIL, I don't care if you are in contact with Santa Claus. What we have here is a typical attack by the Lefties, using whatever excuse is available. And while I would not want to hurt anyone's feelings, my comment stands. Their opinions are irrelevant. And their past actions have made them that way. Ernie - Long time no write, what's the matter? Truth had your tongue? Oh well, I see you have escaped. Read the book, Ernie. Read the book. Educate yourself. The book uses intercepted Soviet messages that were decoded by the US from the mid 40's forward. They were never released until the authors, aided by Senator Moynihan, obtained them through the FOIA. And you can also visit the NSA website. We used to have spies who wrote reports, kept records and didn't do op-eds. What a concept.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#26)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:19 PM EST
    ppj, the ayn coulter of TL comments;-) 1) like mccarthy ppj can't tell the difference between a communist and a russian spy. Being a communist, or attending a party function, or a meeting or knowing someone who turns out to be a communist isn't illegal. mccarthy was right the way a blind pig is right. 2) if you charge thousands of people with a crime, it's bound to be true occasionally. mccarthy didn't have access to the verona cables and never produced any proof of his allegations. 3) what the heck does that have to do with with tens of thousands protesting bush?

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#27)
    by learned hound on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:19 PM EST
    Sad but true: most people in US have no clue at all about what US policy's done in SA. And you're not going to read about it in the MSM. That means that understanding of the Mar del Plata protests and generally how El Norte is viewed in SA is gonna require some serious research and study. As Chairman Mao said in another context, "No investigation, no right to speak." Hasta la Victoria Siempre!

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:21 PM EST
    Sailor - All I said was that McCarthy had it right, there were communists. Numbers? Read the book and find out. Or are you afraid to find out facts? As to comment no 3.... I don't know. Why did you bring it up? LH - It's done a lot of things. Some good, and some bad. So what? Bush is down there trying to get a free trade agreement which is opposed by the Left and their desire for a managed economy. The agitators come out, stir up the usual suspects and we have "news" that they don't like us. I'd settle for letting the do whatever.. just no more loans. Scuttle the IMF. BTW - Someone commented on how they adored Clinton. I'd love to ask them. And how has that put meat on your table??

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#29)
    by Al on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:28 PM EST
    PPJ:
    As for Argentina, I repeat. The average American doesn't care about their opinion.
    I'm not sure how well you know the thoughts of the average American, PPJ, but I do believe the "average American" you're thinking of doesn't care about anybody's opinion.
    They provided no support during WWII,
    You're wrong. During World War II (which was not Argentina's war to fight anyway) Argentina stayed neutral, and supplied the Allies with much-needed food.
    and none during the long fight against communism.
    Well, I'm sure the dictators your government propped up thought they were fighting communism. Henry Kissinger, for one, would agree.
    To get on the bus, you need to get your ticket punched.
    What bus? Don't you get it? They don't want to get on Bush's bus! They want to wave your bus bye-bye!
    And if they weren’t rioting, you wouldn’t even know they existed.
    Throughout the world people are very happy when America ignores them. Bad things happen to countries that America pays attention to. So please keep looking another way. Look, over there, I think Syria is up to some mischief!

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:31 PM EST
    Jim, on his throne, believing that his attitudes, based on ignorance and bigotry, somehow rule the universe. You could care less who I know, so what, who was asking you. The point was that your claim that "Americans" don't care what America does in South America is only true of YOUR "American" friends -- not mine. I meet good Americans all the time who are concerned with the HISTORY of US support for DICTATORS and TERRORISTS. • Terrorists like Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hssein, Islam Karimov, Moahmar Kadafi, General Pinochet, and most of the generals who carried on the reign of terror in Argentina for so many years. • Terrorists like Posada Carriles, the known bomber of a civilian airliner, who Bushliar is harboring in Texas, claiming that extraditing him AS REQUIRED BY INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS would expose him to ... get this ... torture. Yeah -- the torture of being found guilty of the crime and hanged or imprisoned for life. Bullyboy Jim, your criminals are in power now, but sic semper tyrannis, and the day will come when you will crawl back into your hole with the rest of the slime mold, your moment of glory over. Until then, Uglyamerican to your evil heart's content. We already know your kind, now all we're arguing over is how cheap you'll sell it.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#31)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:00 PM EST
    Posted by JimakaPPJ at November 4, 2005 08:01 PM Johnny - well, what happened was that they didn't want the Moslems in France to get ahead of them.
    Jim, learn to read. I am not going to tell you again.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:11 PM EST
    Johnny - My, my. What a snappy comeback. Do you write comedy for a living? Potty mouth PIL - Let us examine what you write. Your claim is that the world hates us because we have supported dictators in the past. Which, of course, the Left was highly critical of. You claim the world now hates us because we have attacked Iraq, and over thrown a dictator and are trying to help Iraq become a democracy. Which, of course the Left is highly critical of. You're funny, PIL. Really funny. Tell me. Do you understand how many people look at these positions and just laugh at you? Al - Argentina was neutral, but pro Nazi. They also harbored Nazis after the war. As for help, geee. You mean they actually sold us food? Their sacrifice must have been over whelming. Et al – While we blather, Paris is burning.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:11 PM EST
    Johnny - My, my. What a snappy comeback. Do you write comedy for a living? Potty mouth PIL - Let us examine what you write. Your claim is that the world hates us because we have supported dictators in the past. Which, of course, the Left was highly critical of. You claim the world now hates us because we have attacked Iraq, and over thrown a dictator and are trying to help Iraq become a democracy. Which, of course the Left is highly critical of. You're funny, PIL. Really funny. Tell me. Do you understand how many people look at these positions and just laugh at you? Al - Argentina was neutral, but pro Nazi. They also harbored Nazis after the war. As for help, geee. You mean they actually sold us food? Their sacrifice must have been over whelming. Et al – While we blather, Paris is burning.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#34)
    by Dark Avenger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:11 PM EST
    While we blather, Paris is burning.
    Is Paris burning? From the centre of the world's most beautiful city, you would hardly know anything much was happening. The tourists still crowd into the new Louis-Vuitton store on the Champs-Elysées. Well-heeled Parisians are planning their Sunday lunch with maman or making an early getaway for a weekend in the country. But beyond the Paris ring-road (the Boulevard Périphérique), especially to the north, east and south, there is a different world: a world of tower blocks, sink schools, 20 per cent unemployment, violent youth gangs, police brutality, and - it should be said - many thousands of people trying their best to make a living and keep their children out of trouble. Since Thursday 27 October, it is this twilight world which has been plunged into fire and destruction. Night after night, the violence has spread, leapfrogging from one suburb to another. Gangs of youths in five or six areas each night, mostly north and east of Paris, have taken their turn to burn hundreds of cars, set fire to public buildings, or factories or warehouses, to storm buses or throw stones or shoot live bullets at the police. On Thursday night, a gang of youths invaded a bus full of passengers, flung petrol on the floor and set the vehicle alight. A disabled woman, unable to flee like other passengers, was gravely burnt.
    Link Yes, we already know your take on it:
    The wrong lessons will probably be learnt once again. The right will blame the Islamist-influenced West-haters. The left will blame the police. And next time, the kids in the gangs might forget their feuds and decide to take out their hatred on Paris itself. Is Paris burning? Not yet.
    To paraphrase Smokey the Bear, "Only you can stop your own blathering on the internets." Also, a commentary by someone who doesn't subscribe to either of the two simplistic positions alluded to in the other article can be found here.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#35)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:13 PM EST
    Henry Kissinger self admittedly does not take an altruistic approach to foreign relations, neither did George Kennan as we will see later on; Allen Dulles has direct ties to the German Nazi regime and hired large numbers of Nazis into the CIA when he was director and helped a large number of Nazis escape to Argentina after WWII where they became American CIA agents working against socialist and nationalist groups in South America
    from rationalrevolution.net

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:26 PM EST
    I'm all about a good protest especially if it concerns Bush's actions and policies; but I can't believe these idiots are trashing their own country to protest the president of another country. Oh well, viva something.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:35 PM EST
    Johnny - well, what happened was that they didn't want the Moslems in France to get ahead of them.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:35 PM EST
    Interestingly, I just returned yesterday from a 10-day trip to Argentina. I was in two cities, Buenos Aires and Cordoba. There is barely a wall in either city that does not have a poster or some anti-Bush graffitti. They are mightily pissed off also about how much Bush's security detail are going to inconvenience them. They really and truly understand what this man is about, the people I know well (all in the fourties or older) understand from personal experience. About 90% of Argentinans given the choice would vote to have Bush "dissapeared" into the river. It is interesting too that Cindy Sheehan is going to speak there, a "mother of courage" that Argentinians will admire as similar to their own Madres, who helped bring down the military junta of some years back.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:38 PM EST
    Ba'al - Wish I could have been with you to tell them just how little the American public cares about their opinions. Especially about Bush's security detail. et al - Yes, these people are salt of the earth. You gotta love this guys technique.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:43 PM EST
    Posted by Jim: "how little the American public cares about their opinions. Especially about Bush's security detail." Bullyboys are well understood in Argentina, I assure you. And a great number of Americans understand that while Bush needs a small army to protect him, Bill Clinton walked openly in crowds of tens of thousands in India, Africa, Kosovo, and South America. How was he able to do that? Because people respected America then. Bush can travel only if he carries his security state with him -- he is that hated. Glad to hear you side with ignoramuses once again, Jim. As for salt of the earth, you wouldn't understand the concept, since there is no salt in someone like you, at all. It has all been washed away by a flood of illusion-protecting lies.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:45 PM EST
    I guess that means they should be bombed into submission, invaded by Haliburton and forced to give us all their natural resources.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#2)
    by Slado on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:45 PM EST
    I'd be careful before jumping on the bandwagon with the likes of Hugo Chavez. CNN

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#3)
    by Andreas on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:45 PM EST
    The presence of the US president in Argentina has been preceded by the imposition of a massive security clampdown. An army of 7,000 additional police has been deployed in the resort city, which has been divided with three concentric circles of chain-linked fencing. Residents of the area surrounding the summit site have been identified and provided with passes to enter and leave their own homes. “We’ve been imprisoned,” one of them told a local television network. A 100-mile no-fly zone has been declared surrounding the city, with orders to shoot down unidentified planes. In addition to the blanket of security imposed by the Argentine government, Bush is arriving with an entourage of some 2,000, much of it composed of security personnel. Last Friday, two giant US military cargo planes arrived in Buenos Aires carrying large quantities of arms and two helicopters for use in guarding the US president.
    Bush faces mass protests, opposition to trade pact in Argentina By Bill Van Auken, 2 November 2005

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#4)
    by Al on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:46 PM EST
    People in Latin America understand perfectly well what the words "free trade" mean when Bush utters them. It means, for example, screwing South American farmers by furiously subsidizing US farmers. I'm sure Latin American leaders read the papers, and see how easily the US reneges on NAFTA when some particular domestic lobby needs coddling, as in the softwood lumber dispute with Canada, where the US chooses to ignore the rulings of NAFTA tribunals. It makes far more sense for countries like Argentina and Brazil to form their own trading bloc, which is what they are doing through Mercosur. I'm not surprised in the least they are telling Bush to shove his free-trade agreement.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#5)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:46 PM EST
    "People in Latin America understand perfectly well what the words "free trade" mean when Bush utters them. It means, for example, screwing South American farmers by furiously subsidizing US farmers." Yes, indeed. Bush invented farm subsidies and the words "free trade."

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:46 PM EST
    Can't wait for Bush to go back to Peru, where two years ago he came to a photo-op with Putin and Koizumi, with his zipper down, and his underwear sticking out the gaping opening. He was stoned to the gills on good Peruvian flake, supplied by his rightwing drug-smuggling friends. Why is Bush back in SA? Because he wants more nose candy. Viva Argentina! Viva Chavez. Down with Uribe and his US POISONING OF FOOD CROPS and farmers.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#7)
    by Slado on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:46 PM EST
    Once again the angry left (neo-communists) show that they can peacfully protest and put forth their point of veiw in a resonable manner. Protests turn violent

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#8)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:46 PM EST
    I was watching the coverage on the news, and was wodnering what they think they are accomplishing trashing their own neighborhood? I mean that seems to generally be the target, and what do they get for it?

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#9)
    by Al on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:46 PM EST
    Slado, if you think the 30,000 people marching and chanting against Bush are "neo-communists", you don't understand Latin America at all. And Patrick, the stores, or the bank those people trashed -- it's not "their neighborhood". Just like the riot police they throw stones at is not "their riot police". The protest is aimed at the Latin American leaders, and it's very effective. It's a warning of the kind of reception that a free-trade agreement with the US would get. In 2001, rampaging protesters overthrew a corrupt and incompetent government that had nearly destroyed Argentina. You can be sure that the message is received loud and clear by the local politicians.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#10)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:46 PM EST
    Shorter Blutto, ooops, I meant slado (AKA joe McCarthy); commies are at the door!

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#11)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:46 PM EST
    Once again the angry left (neo-communists) show that they can peacfully protest and put forth their point of veiw in a resonable manner. Check out the violent record of your own president Slado. He's murdered thousands instead of acting in a reasonable manner. Add Rumsfeld, Cheney and Rice and you have four people responsible for more violence on this planet in the last three years than any "neo comms". And the way things are going with the rightards in power, this will be coming to a neighborhood near you.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:46 PM EST
    LOVE to see people who know nothing about South American history, or, ahem, US-backed dictators, opine about VIOLENCE. But the antiwar/antiBush coup protesters in the US are, indeed, nonviolent, as we have proven for five years. How many times have SA'ans told me that in Peru (or Bolivia, Chile, Argentina, etc.) there would have been a mass rally of millions in the streets, a national strike, and the dictator would fall! How many times I have defended the peaceful protests of those US Americans who realize that our constitution wasn't just written yesterday, and our system of government is not just a junta -- until lately. Many times I have stared at the ugly ignorant hatred of TL trolls, and realized how much I love my country more than they love theirs.

    Re: Argentinians Protest Bush (none / 0) (#36)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:46 PM EST
    Posted by JimakaPPJ at November 6, 2005 06:58 AM Johnny - My, my. What a snappy comeback. Do you write comedy for a living?
    Jim you are in dire need of assistance removing your head from your arse. You made a snarky comment based on who knows what. I have made no comment on this post until you, and your infinite incapacity in the reading comprehension field decided to throw an idiot comment my way. Go take your pill and cry yourself to sleep. Learn to read, I am not going to tell you again.

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