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ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping

By TChris, Section Civil Liberties
Posted on Sat Oct 29, 2005 at 03:17:28 PM EST
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Caving to the petition of local religious leaders and to concerns voiced by a Civic Center sponsor, the Jamestown, North Dakota mayor and city council voted to cancel a male revue -- the "Thunder from Down Under" -- that had been booked to perform at the city's Civic Center. The sponsor complained that the male strippers were engaged in pornography, while a minister called the show "the absolute wrong thing for Jamestown to bring in."

What would be the absolute right thing for Jamestown to bring in?

One council member who opposed the cancellation noted the Ministerial Association did not oppose a recent Ultimate Fighting show featuring what the councilman called "guys trying to beat each other's brains out."

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    ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping | 25 comments (25 topical)
    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#1)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:31 PM EST
    It's just like how Clockwork Orange wasn't infamous for the orgies of ultraviolence, but the sex. Did somebody say brain disease?

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#2)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:31 PM EST
    Standard wrongwinger reaction: violence is OK, sex is Baaad!

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:31 PM EST
    "The sponsor complained that the male strippers were engaged in pornography," The sponsor? The corporation that put its name on the arena? No, it's the "Ministerial Association." I don't see anything in either available article that suggests they are a sponsor of anything. "cancellation...following protests from religious leaders" This is a town of 642,000, not a tiny village. But "A petition signed by 26 pastors" asked for the show's cancellation. "Cancellation would cost the city a $7,000 deposit, including funds to pay technicians to handle the sound, lights and other items, said Lori Anderson, the Civic Center manager. "Thunder from Down Under performs mostly in casinos, except for a civic center in Iowa, Anderson said."
    Troy Gunderson, director of the local Youth For Christ group, said the City Council has a moral leadership responsibility. He said Jamestown has a prison and a state hospital and many people are in those institutions because of problems related to sex. Gunderson said the Youth for Christ group has brought in two Christian-related shows that have done well at the Civic Center. The Rev Shawn Bowman, of Victory Lutheran Brethren Church, suggested that if the show does not encourage family togetherness, it would not be worth the cost. "I don't think $7,000 would be a bad lesson," Bowman said.
    Bluenosing at its finest. And this: "Earlier, a Jamestown Civic Center sponsor sent an e-mail to the city administrator questioning having its logo associated with "pornography." (emphasis mine) It's LOGO? So a 'ministerial association' has a logo on the city center? Isn't a city center a government entity? It's OK to have Greco-Roman homosexuality on display stripped to the waist, just not frilly male dancers stripped to the waist.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:31 PM EST
    Sorry, must have coded the bolding of 'logo' wrongly. The other article is at: Bismarck Tribune

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:31 PM EST
    I saw Thunder From Down Under in Las Vegas, and it was a hoot! While it was definitely a strip show (although ony down to the G-strings), it was light-hearted and fun. And I must say, most of the audience was brides with their entourages, blowing off a bit of steam before their big day. And a considerable number of older women who seemed surprised to be enjoying themselves as much as they did. I'm sure they all went back to their hotels and reinvigorated their marriages that night! What could be wrong with that??

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#6)
    by cpinva on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    I'm sure they all went back to their hotels and reinvigorated their marriages that night! What could be wrong with that??
    they probably weren't using the "missionary" position! lol i just love the tyranny of the minority, gives a chilly feeling up and down my spine.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#7)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    "I'm given' ya until sundown to get out of town, sheriff, or I'm gonna F ya" "And I'm gonna F ya slow...." George Carlin

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    Re: Headline Uhh... the abbreviation for the state of North Dakota is ND not SD.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    In TChris' pocket universe, protest is only acceptable if it's done by liberals. Everyone else should just sit down and shut up.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    Yeah, well James, according to you, the law only applies to liberals. So when your favorite traitors break law after law after law, you just applaud. Where's the protest in that? Where was your protest in defense of the UN charter? Where was your protest in defense of the Constitutional separation of powers clause? Where was your protest in defense of the people's right to impeachment? Zzzzzzzzzzz. A dial-tone from you, James. So spare us the fake accusations. You support tyranny. Ooh-rah.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#11)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    He said Jamestown has a prison and a state hospital and many people are in those institutions because of problems related to sex.
    And I am sure that none of the men and women locked up in that prison are in that prison because of problems with violence...

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    In TChris' pocket universe, protest is only acceptable if it's done by liberals. Everyone else should just sit down and shut up. Thank you for this priceless example of what passes for logic among conservatives: the wingnut action is defended, not on the basis that it wasn't assinine, but with an utterly false and--big surprise--unsubstantiated accusation of the left doing something similar.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#13)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    James Robertson: In TChris' pocket universe, protest is only acceptable if it's done by liberals. Everyone else should just sit down and shut up. jr, you've learned so well and truly from your masters catering endlessly to your deepest seated fears and insecurities, that you've finally become a black belt and a master of the psychological jiu-jitsu known as Freudian Projection. For those of you who bailed on Psych 101, Freudian Projection is, according to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, a defense mechanism in which "the individual deals with emotional conflict or internal or external stressors by falsely attributing to another his or her own unacceptable feelings, impulses or thoughts." In layman's terms, it's the soot-stained pot calling the kettle "black." Congratulations on your monumental achievement, jr. You are a seriously damaged human being.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#14)
    by Lww on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    "This is a town of 642,000, not a tiny village"-Paul from LA. Too bad you're off by 628,000. This is why you can't listen to foaming at the mouth liberals; they make it up as they go along and fit the "facts" to help their arguments. What a goof....

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#15)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    LWW-Your comment speaks volumes about you while shedding no light on the comment you gleefully correct. To point out that Paul's mistake not only invalidates his whole argument but is proof to discredit all the arguments of liberals is not too bright on your part.
    This is a town of 642,000, not a tiny village. But "A petition signed by 26 pastors" asked for the show's cancellation.
    So 26 pastors put the kabosh on an event in a town of approximately 14,925 sounds great to you. Perhaps this is a town for you although Saudi Arabia has better weather. Your comment reveals how content and ideas have no meaning for you. All you need is a big wingnut Daddyman to tell you what to think and off you go spouting papas 'truth' to whomever will listen. It is behavior embodied by one who is a cross between a drunken parrot and a bean counter. One who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing finds work as a perfect shill for a second hand bargain basement chain-store.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#16)
    by Lww on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    I see you're as full of presumptions as you are the plagiarists art. You presume I discredit everyones arguments because of the population inflation? No, but don't tell me that 26 ministers in a town of 15,000 is the same as a city of 642,000. Don't insult my intelligence. That's all I was saying.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#17)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    A town of 15,000 with 26 ministers, mostly right wing? I think that I see the problem.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    llw-read your own comment:
    This is why you can't listen to foaming at the mouth liberals; they make it up as they go along and fit the "facts" to help their arguments.
    I will help you:
    You presume I discredit everyones arguments because of the population inflation? No,
    and this for laughs:
    Don't insult my intelligence.
    You do a fine job all by yourself.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#19)
    by Lww on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:32 PM EST
    Have you met any of these people? Do you know something about them that I don't know? Maybe they just missed taking action against the violent show? Do you know? You don't know alot of these people, the ones I've met are sincere and basically good people. There are frauds and hypocrites among them just like every other segment of society. But the FACT that they're religious makes it so much easier for someone like you to convict them without knowing a damn thing.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:33 PM EST
    LWW: "don't tell me that 26 ministers in a town of 15,000 is the same as a city of 642,000." Another tick on the camel's belly. My error: "642,000" is the population of North Dakota. However, LWW stopped polluting this blog when he smashed his monitor because TChris typed "SD" instead of "ND." Damn liberals!

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:33 PM EST
    No, LWW, the fact that you AREN'T religious makes it much easier to ignore your posturing about their being religious. It isn't (Christian) religious to be INtolerant. Especially when your favorites in Congress spend their nights at Hooters rubbing ice on the nipples of boys.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#22)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:33 PM EST
    An isolated and segregated existence within modern America is a very powerful and disturbing thing.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#23)
    by Lww on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:34 PM EST
    That "isolated and segregated" was directed at me right? Not me. I imagine when we become Sodom & Gomorrah II we'll all feel real satisfied. More AIDS cases,more children having children and more abortions will make everything wonderful. The trash in this popular culture,which the left so enthusiastically embraces; you know the "sh*t floats" kind, it's killing this country. You're going after the wrong people.

    Re: ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping (none / 0) (#24)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:34 PM EST
    You're going after the wrong people.
    Yes, we should be going after men and women who decided that ignorance is the best way to achieve social bliss. Sorry to burst your bubble here LWW... Strip shows are hardly a contributing factor to the plight you mentioned. AIDS? While no-one will argue the point that abstinence slows the spread of AIDS, it is only a fool who believes that a possibility. Even those who swear a life of chastity to serve the lord fail at that. You speak of how you feel things should be, totally ignoring what millenia of history have shown us to be true-people will be people, no matter what kind of morality narrow minded people try to force down their throats. What you are asking is that people be better than they are (and better is a purely subjective term BTW), you may as well ask that people turn purple and fly away to the moon. In any event, the church has absolutly zero business dictating government policy, whether through direct means (posting the ten commandments, the first of which is a direct violation of the constitution) or indirect means, such as happened above... Theocracy does not work, thousands of years of history prove that point. In fact, look around the world today, the countries with the heaviest dose of religious inspired gov't are among the worst places in the world to live.
    You don't know alot of these people, the ones I've met are sincere and basically good people. There are frauds and hypocrites among them just like every other segment of society.
    My experience with religious people is other than an uncontrollable urge to dictate how everybody should live, they ain't bad. Especially when they are raping little boys or giving people kool-aid, or annhilating cultures... So yeah, endorsing gladiator style fighting while forbidding consenting adults from watching other consenting adults take their clothes off is about par for the course. Keep dreaming of the religious utopia...

    We should have opposed the FIGHTING, too!!! (none / 0) (#25)
    by PastorTom on Fri Mar 02, 2007 at 05:38:18 PM EST
    I'm one of the Pastor's in Jamestown who opposed "Thunder from down under."  The comments on this board show how people are too willing to make comments on something they know nothing about!  The fact is that at the town meeting where one of the female council members asked why the pastors didn't oppose the "Ultimate Fighting" event which had occured months earlier, our response (which the media did NOT report!) was:  "This event was not publized to the same degree as 'Thunder' and so we did not know about it.  However, we confess that we SHOULD have done something about it had we known, as the "Fighting" event was just as bad, if not WORSE, then this 'Thunder' event which promotes lust and sexually irresponsible behavior."  By the way, many of the same pastors who opposed the 'Thunder' event also work hard with local youth encouraging them to be sexually responsible by remaining celibate until marriage (a very evil thing to teach youth, according to some liberals!).  Finally, the same female council member who accused us of being hypocrites because we didn't oppose the 'Fighthing' event also said, "I bet if this event had women strippers, you would have said nothig."  I then responded:  "On the contrary, we would have protested EVEN MORE as women in our culture are exploited enough by pornography which leads men to view women as objects."  The fact is, this female council woman had a "liberal agenda" and did everything she could to make our good intentions look bad.  SO, GUYS, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!

    ND Town Leaders Prefer Fighting to Stripping | 25 comments (25 topical)