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Judge Rejects Ashcroft Argument On Rules During National Emergency

By Last Night in Little Rock, Section Terror Detainees
Posted on Thu Sep 29, 2005 at 04:33:55 AM EST
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by Last Night in Little Rock

JURIST's Paper Chase, a blog written by law students, has a heavily hyperlink annotated posting last night: Judge rejects Aschroft's claim that appeal rules are not applicable in emergencies. The government detained two Muslim men in the wake of 9/11, held them in solitary confinement, and then deported them, denying them all access to the courts while in the U.S. The court ruled that they could sue, rejecting former AG Ashcroft's defense that the rules just don't apply during national emergencies.

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    Judge Rejects Ashcroft Argument On Rules During National Emergency | 8 comments (8 topical)
    Re: Judge Rejects Ashcroft Argument On Rules Duri (none / 0) (#2)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:28 PM EST
    Hey Ronnie, as much as you might not like it, here in free America everybody gets there day in court. Even brown people from foreign lands. Do you really want to leave it up to the whim of corrupt govt. officials what rules must be followed and when? Bottom line, I don't trust them, and neither should you. If the two men in question committed a crime or entered the country illegally, it shouldn't be too hard to prove it at a hearing and then deport them. What is it about tyranny you find so appealing?

    Re: Judge Rejects Ashcroft Argument On Rules Duri (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:28 PM EST
    The government detained two Muslim men in the wake of 9/11, Yes...exactly what I expect my Government to do to protect my ass ... and then deported them, denying them all access to the courts while in the U.S. Why do so many on the left feel every single person on earth is entitled to access to "american" courts? The court ruled that they could sue.. Yes... welcome to America..the most lawyer friendly... sue happy nation on earth! Too bad I'm not from another country... knowing what I know...all I'd have to do is get in the US... get arrested and be set for life! I think the libs should have to pony up the lawyers fees for all these poor misguided put out displaced individuals so the rest of us don't have to.

    Re: Judge Rejects Ashcroft Argument On Rules Duri (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:29 PM EST
    The point is not that they were detained - the point is that they had no process at any point. They were held in solitary confinement for months on minor criminal charges. They had their faces slammed into walls. One of these gentlement had a flashlight inserted into his anus and saw it covered in blood when it was removed. They were not allowed to have any phone calls or in person contact w/ lawyer or family. The MDC even lied to their lawyers when they tried to see their clients and said they weren't kept there. Much more, including the NY Times article on this case, can be foundhere.

    Re: Judge Rejects Ashcroft Argument On Rules Duri (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:29 PM EST
    The rules are there for a reason, fellas. I expect govt. to follow them.

    Re: Judge Rejects Ashcroft Argument On Rules Duri (none / 0) (#6)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:29 PM EST
    Yes...exactly what I expect my Government to do to protect my ass
    The same government that let the entire Bin Laden fly out of the country when everyone else was grounded? Check, please.

    Re: Judge Rejects Ashcroft Argument On Rules Duri (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:29 PM EST
    Upagainst it.... Much more, including the NY Times article on this case Well hell.... we all know what a bastion of truth the NY Times is....and not at all biased! LMAO SSS.... The same government that let the entire Bin Laden fly out of the country when everyone else was grounded? That's a bunch of Micheal Moore sh*t! But, not surprised a few of you are still holding on to that....just like Bush 'stole' the election. Do actual facts mean anything to you?

    Re: Judge Rejects Ashcroft Argument On Rules Duri (none / 0) (#9)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:31 PM EST
    Yep, they are gone...with enlarged, bleeding rectums thanks to people who think like you. Tonight I will drink to a dream of a torture free America with due process for all.

    Re: Judge Rejects Ashcroft Argument On Rules Duri (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:32 PM EST
    While the judge might not have ruled on their claims, the Bush Administration's own DOJ Office of the Inspector General (Glenn Fine) has, and has substantiated virtually every single claim the plaintiffs in both cases have made. They can be found here and here.

    Judge Rejects Ashcroft Argument On Rules During National Emergency | 8 comments (8 topical)