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Saddam Hussein Update

By TChris, Section War In Iraq
Posted on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 12:20:58 PM EST
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Iraqi President Jalal Talabani thinks Saddam Hussein should “be executed 20 times a day for his crimes against humanity," which seems the very definition of overkill. One execution normally suffices to achieve the desired result.

Talabani claims an investigating judge “was able to extract confessions from Saddam's mouth” about various killings during Hussein’s regime. Hussein’s lawyer, Khalil Dulaimi, contends that Hussein didn’t confess and that the judge who leaked the claimed confessions to Talabani “must resign immediately.”

Dulaimi rebuked Talabani for his remarks, saying they meant "there will be no chance of a fair and clean trial."

The trial, before a special tribunal, is scheduled to commence on October 19. Meanwhile, the regime change orchestrated by President Bush hasn’t produced an end to indiscriminate killing in Iraq.

A police spokesman on Thursday said police had located 14 unidentified bodies in civilian clothes at several sites near the town of Mahmoudiyah, about 30 kilometers south of Baghdad. He said all had been shot to death.

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    Saddam Hussein Update | 15 comments (15 topical)
    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:28 PM EST
    Twenty times a day seems excessive to me. Just once would suffice, IMO.

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:29 PM EST
    What you should have noted, though, TChris, was that Talabani is a KURD, the culture that had hundreds of villages emptied, that was gassed from the air, whose fleeing villagers were machine-gunned. His anger is not surprising. I'm pretty sure that if you lined up WWII GIs to let them put a bullet in Hitler, the line would go on for miles, and all that would be left of Adolph would be his perverted little moustache.

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:29 PM EST
    PIL- Are you actually suggesting that Hitler and Hussien don't deserve such treatment? If so...No offense, but you might be even further out there than I thought.

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#4)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    I say execute him as many times a day as it takes to get it right.

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    'His anger is not surprising.' What is vague about that? Unlike the wingers here, I was ON THE STREET PROTESTING Hussein (and Reagan's support of him) in 1989. We followed news of the Anfal with GREAT trepidation for those poor people. And now, I protest a new genocide in Iraq, by people JUST as evil as Hussein. Not to offend the spirit of Talkleft, but I have long offered my services, my gun, my bullet, to dispatch ANY genocidist (including Bush), after a legal and fair trail with that sentence. My gun, my bullet, Adept. My views on these matters are not vague at all.

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#6)
    by Kitt on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    Posted by sarcastic unnamed one at September 8, 2005 04:54 PM I say execute him as many times a day as it takes to get it right.
    Although absolutely steadfastly against the Iraq invasion, I certainly understand the sentiment expressed by Mr. Talabani. In relation to Mr. Hussein himself as a tyrant, as a dictator, as a murdering tyrant & dictator - I'm with SUO as above. 'Getting it right' to mean (at least to me) understanding what he did and the grim impact of what he did had on his people. Which could be extended to include certain members of this administration as well, as deemed necessary.

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    That's what I thought, PIL, just wanted to be sure. Seems like a healthy view of Genocide to me. :)

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:31 PM EST
    Exactly. I have some compassion for ordinary murderers. I have ZERO compassion for George W and Milosevich. Isn't it funny that the people who were accusing every oil rich brown country on earth of 'harboring terrorists' are harboring Posada Carriles, who has admitted blowing up a civilian airliner? Isn't it funny that these same 'anti-terrorists' are now PALS with Putin and Kadafi, not to mention Islam Karimov? Didn't Osama Bin Laden know that by escaping from Tora Bora with GW Bush's direct, C-in-C, help, he was AIDING the terrorists? That's no way for one of W's friends to behave.

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#9)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:31 PM EST
    I just think it delightfully absurd that people think the concept of "I say execute him as many times a day as it takes to get it right." realistic... What? you can bring him back? Execute someone more than once? explain yourself mister... Prove to me right now that your support of the death penalty is nothing short of bloodlust and typical old testament vengeance... Come now SUO... THAT is a rhetorical statement if ever I have heard one... And when it comes to something like state sanctioned murder-rhetoric has no room for intelligent argument... Youa re dead and "prove an example (although that is unlikely) or you are alive and (according to wrong wingers the world over, "got away with it")... So please, tell me how times must someone be murdered by the state before s/he gets it?

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#10)
    by Kitt on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:31 PM EST
    Johnny - Get an imagination - goodness; hyperbole.

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#11)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    Kitt, exactly.

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:34 PM EST
    Johnny: "Prove to me right now that your support of the death penalty is nothing short of bloodlust and typical old testament vengeance..." It's not support of the death penalty. It's support of capital punishment for crimes against humanity. Crimes on a scale and scope of damage that overrides the normal repugnance for public and governmental bloodlust and thirst for revenge. There are those who argue for smallpox to be kept alive. I'm not one of them. But I don't believe the state or the federal government should be executing ordinary criminals (some or many of them not actually guilty). So my willingness to be the executioner of a justly tried Saddam Hussein, itself an obvious sort of 'hyperbole' (since the lottery on that opportunity would have MILLIONS of takers), is not support for the 'death penalty.' It is support for extraordinary punishment about persons, normally all men, who have worked to destroy the culture and lives and human diversity, that NO murderer, even a serial killer, comes near doing. And unlike those comparatively petty crimes, these acts are ABUNDANTLY documented. No DNA test is going to save GWB when the Nuremburg gavel goes down.

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#13)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:34 PM EST
    Nice Kitt... Still, someone please tell me how a statement such as the one SUO made is not ludicrous? PIL-at what point does it become a "crime against humanity"? Who qualifies? Who judges? Millions of people die every year because of polluted water and air, millions die from work related injuries and illnesses, is this also a crime against humanity? Note to one-liner snarks: not defending Hussein. Trying to wrap my mind around the concept of multiple executions of the sameperson. Trying to decide at what point he crossed the line from "petty" crimes such as serial killing to crimes against humanity.

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:35 PM EST
    Posted by Johnny: "Millions of people die every year because of polluted water and air, millions die from work related injuries and illnesses, is this also a crime against humanity?" Ask Ronald Reagan. He signed this:
    Article 2: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: • (a) Killing members of the group; • (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; • (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; • (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; • (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Article 3: The following acts shall be punishable: • (a) Genocide; • (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide; • (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide; • (d) Attempt to commit genocide; • (e) Complicity in genocide. Article 4: Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in Article 3 shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.
    Because of the multi-ethnic nature of Iraq, each of the attacks on Bagdad, Fallujah, Al Qa'im, and elsewhere is a seperate cause of genocide. Attacking a disarmed country, and clearly and obviously holding it AFTER THE LACK OF THE PRETEXT WAS ADMITTED, and then killing 130,000+ people, while apparently conspiring to end the sovereignty of the country -- So ILLEGAL even Ronald Reagan said so.

    Re: Saddam Hussein Update (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:53 PM EST
    Johnny Johnny Johnny. wake up from this dream world of ignorance of which you produce your shallow voice. think. really man. your deep end is empty. first of all everyone is judged. everyone commits crimes everyday and every crime is different, every judgement is different, as well as every person. one may recieve punishment by death for spouting his mouth to the wrong gun weilding man on the wrong day. while the shooter will recieve no punishment in a different arena due to lack of evidence. Think, just a bit, you might be able to answer some of your own questions.

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