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Hillary at the DLC

By Jeralyn, Section Other Politics
Posted on Tue Jul 26, 2005 at 12:09:40 PM EST
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I don't know too much about the DLC, except that they are centrists and I am not a fan of centrists. Hillary spoke at their convention yesterday and Markos at Daily Kos has some sharp criticisms. So do

Update: skippy the bush kangaroo takes on the dlc's peter ross range for sneaky and misleading use of pronouns, thusly mis-attributing one person's views to markos in general.

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    Hillary at the DLC | 9 comments (9 topical)
    Re: Hillary at the DLC (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    Abetting WAR CRIMES is NOT centrism. The DLC's conformism was WHY Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi and John Conyers and Barbara Boxer are the REAL centrists in our party. The ones who center themselves ON THE CONSTITUTION, and not on COVERING UP the co-optation of our government by unelected, illegally-acting, anti-democratic forces. The former friends of the truth who somehow believe that Bush's Amerika is just a minor aberration are indeed part of the problem, not the solution. Genocide is not to be covered with a doily and everyone holding hands after it's done. Bill Clinton failed to show a heart in Rwanda, and HC is catering to the criminals as if she wants the current 'Rwanda' to be all OK. It's childish, mawkish, and a non-starter. I hope she snaps out of it, but let's have some more HC propaganda about how the party has to compromise with these actions. Most of that line is coming from the other side of the bloody aisle, anyhow.

    Re: Hillary at the DLC (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    You nailed it with the first sentence
    Abetting WAR CRIMES is NOT centrism.

    Re: Hillary at the DLC (none / 0) (#3)
    by Darryl Pearce on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    Dante: "The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who, in a time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality."

    Re: Hillary at the DLC (none / 0) (#4)
    by jimcee on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    Whether anyone likes Centrists or not they are the voters that the Dems (and the Repubs) have to attract and they are not going to do it by parroting the extreme sides but by seeming reasonable, with the emphasis on reasonable. The only way to change things is to possess power and the only way to possess power is to win political office so your back to the Centrists again. The sure thing is when the hard Left or Right control everything it is up to those riviled Centrists to grab ahold of the wheel of the ship of state and guide it back into the middle where reason prevails. When the Right gets carried away you get your Franco, Pinochet, Marcos or the Argentine junta and when the Left gets carried away you get your Stalins, Maos, Castros and Hitlers. Neither alternatative is very attractive to me and that is why I'm an independent. Centrists Rule!

    Re: Hillary at the DLC (none / 0) (#5)
    by skippybkroo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    and skippy the bush kangaroo takes on the dlc's peter ross range for sneaky and misleading use of pronouns, thusly mis-attributing one person's views to markos in general.

    Re: Hillary at the DLC (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:39 PM EST
    Posted by jimcee: "Whether anyone likes Centrists or not they are the voters that the Dems (and the Repubs) have to attract" Actually, not. Aggressive war on a false pretext is illegal and unconstitutional. There is nothing 'political' about that LEGAL fact. Bush, with full rightwing support, has committed GENOCIDE. That's not just a political aberration. It's illegal, immoral, and an international crime. "and they are not going to do it by parroting the extreme sides but by seeming reasonable, with the emphasis on reasonable." Your 'hausfrau' argument won't Nuremberg. What happens when the house drops on your wicked witches, jimcee? Moderates of BOTH parties are solidly against the Rove treason. That's a loss of moderate affiliation the R party is going to suffer the most, since it is the most guilty. Killing 130,000 civilians in order to install airbases -- biggest crime of the millenium to date.

    Re: Hillary at the DLC (none / 0) (#7)
    by Mreddieb on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    I often wonder why the DLC would think pandering to "The Middle" is the route to success? The "Middle" has shown it will turn on the Dems in a Code yellow Security Alert minute. Why would they think they will be any more reliable in 08? Did Kerry's support for the Iraq war get him in to the White House? NO! America is tired of "Stratigic Politics", they want a real Democratic alternative. They want a party of the people by the people and for the people. This time let's give them what the want.

    Re: Hillary at the DLC (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimcee on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:41 PM EST
    A lot of speaking for the peeps going on here. The fact is that 33% of the electorate that votes are Lefties, 33% Righties and 33% Centrists. The only way for either side to win is to win over a majority of the Center since they already own the votes of their respective sides. Like it or not it is a fact of politics, pure and simple unless of course your talking about a coup d'tete. Then the side that wins imprisons or executes the centrists and the opposing side. By the by Paul in LA; what is with the boldface? I feel like I have to towel off after reading one of your posts.

    Re: Hillary at the DLC (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:41 PM EST
    Paul in LA is allowed to use the type functions TL gives us, and so are the rest of us. That's why they are there.

    As a resident of a state that is split down the middle on red v blue, and having talked with many voters and non-voters, Paul and Ed B nailed it. The non-voters see so little difference that they don't feel energized to vote. The centrists I've talked with, as a general rule, see little difference as well and, contrary to popular belief, don't vote on "moral issues". They are concerned about the economy (mostly health care) and the war in Iraq.

    The Dems are making some errors, and Sen. Clinton is one of them.

    Hillary at the DLC | 9 comments (9 topical)