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NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen

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Posted on Mon Jul 25, 2005 at 06:37:45 PM EST
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Hundreds gathered to protest the Minutemen posse in New Mexico Saturday.

Hundreds of demonstrators marched through the streets Saturday to protest a controversial civilian border patrol group, calling the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps racist and un-American. The League of United Latin American Citizens, one of the oldest Latino civil rights organizations in the country, organized the march and rally to show that Minuteman volunteers were not wanted in the area.

Mary Jane Garcia, the majority whip of the New Mexico State Senate, called on the federal government to take action against the Minuteman volunteers and work on real reform of immigration laws. Forcing Hispanic immigrants out of the country is not the answer, she said.

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    NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen | 42 comments (42 topical)
    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#1)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    Hundreds? Wow!

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    Jim's Society of Scapegoaters (SS) held it's first meeting last week. Two of his friends stopped by for the kegger, only to be disappointed. So they were reduced to watching Spanish television for the bikinis, and mocking the commercials. It's a focus group.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#3)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    Mary Jane Garcia is confusing illegal immigration with Hispanic imigration? A Politician pandering to the lowest common denominator for sure.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    The anti-Hispanic bigotry is obvious, Wiles. After all, Mexican terrorists are high on the list of dangers we face. Now, Mexican semitrucks, 98% of which will be totally uninspected, pose absolutely no problem to the safety of legal Americans, and this porous COMMERCIAL border can't be the REAL terrorism threat, because Walmart needs those trucks. And that's where you get your ACME talking points, Coyote. So we can't have any discussion of larger threats. Forget the unguarded chemical balls, or the millions of uninspected containers at our ports. Los Mexicanos -- THAT'S job #1. They're terrorizing our lawns.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    et al.... one of the oldest Latino civil rights organizations in the country, organized the march DUH.... I wonder why they'd be against the minute men????? Paul in La..La The anti-Hispanic bigotry is obvious, Wiles. You think we are bigoted.....Go sneak under the fence & try to live in Mexico and see what happens. I think we should treat them as they treat us don't you?. Paul..do you know any US Citizens that live in Mexico? If so, ask them how well they are recieved there? If we treated them here like they treat us there....you'd really be freakin. Go check it out & get back to me.... I'd love to hear your spin on this!

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:37 PM EST
    Why are "liberals" supporting the Bush administration's cheap labor agenda? As for the AP article, I discussed that here. If you want some truth to counter their spin, check it out.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    BB posts his false analogy: "You think we are bigoted.....Go sneak under the fence & try to live in Mexico and see what happens." I know you are bigoted, and there are plenty of bigots throughtout the world, but 'we' are not bigoted. YOU are bigoted. I've lived and travelled in Mexico for decades. Among the nicest and sweetest people on the earth. LOVE how you change the subject to discuss the actual CONTENT of your bigoted vision of Mexico. That's the normal course of exposure of racism -- from false arguments to the real hatred, eventually. You just don't like Mexicans. And you try to dress that up as a national security issue. It's disgusting, and hilariously wrongheaded. Viva Mexico! Long live the free people's of Latin America.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    Same here, PaulinLA. When I grew up in southern CA, I spent alot of time there. The Mexican people are warm, friendly, and as fine a people as you will find anywhere.

    Bigotry is so easy to see. You people can't hide it, no matter how you try to dress it up.

    Look at it this way. If you could go to Canada and make 10 to 20 times what you make here, and your family was going hungry, wouldn't you want to do what was best for your family?

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    boy, those folks who legally enter our country and follow the rules are sure morons. just do it illegally-the left will call anyone who objects a bigot because that is their last refuge for lack of a policy. I sure hope the guys who like to bomb infidels don't figure out our open borders.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#10)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    "and your family was going hungry" Got a link that shows that Mexico can't/doesn't feed its people?

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    actually, according to Great Lord PILA and Massa Cheetah in their travels amongst them, those people are the nicest sweetest people on the face of the earth. their country should be a paradise then, well able to take care of its own without expecting its neighbors to do so.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    sarc, here is your link.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#13)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    cheetah, nothing to do with hunger on you link. Try this: "Malnutrition and food insecurity are huge problems in the world. [snip] Latin America suffers only marginally of these problems, in comparison to many other parts of the world. In contrary, it belongs to [the group of countries who are] food exporters, and therefore the food insecurity problem is by far not as relevant an issue for Mexico as it is for many other, even middle-income countries, particularly in Asia."

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#14)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    Actually, I have a distant relative ( by marriage) who lives in Mexico. He seems to do all right, but I think part of that is speaking the language. I plan on retiring to Mexico, I sure hope they change the policy about owning land. Cozumel is paradise to me.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    As I've been saying, sarc, you wing-nuts need a course in reading comp.

    I thought we were talking about Mexico. Those other countries you named aren't living just below our southern border. Oh, I forgot that I wasn't responding to someone who passed geography class.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#16)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    Continuing from the previous post..... But that doesn't mean I don't support the effort my the Minutemen. Quite the contrary, I think they are doing an excellent job bringing the issue of uncontrolled immigration to the forefront. PILA, ever heard the term OTM's. You don't think the Minutemen discourage or report them? Of course you are right about the other issues, uninspected trucking, etc, but failing to adaquately address those issues doesn't mean we shouldn't address others as well. And it certainly isn't bigoted to expect your country to protect it's borders. Just because the border is with Mexico doesn't mean only Mexicans are crossing. I grew up on the Canadian border and they have the same issues there.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#17)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    Cheetah, You're not foolish enough to believe only Mexican's are coming across the southern border are you? Geography has nothing to do with it.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    Patrick,

    You're not foolish enough to think that a few minutemen are going to take care of that problem, are you?

    My geography comment was an answer to something else entirely.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#19)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    And a foolish one at that.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    sarc,

    If that's all you've got, why even bother? Oh, that's it, right? Anything to take up thread space for your wing-nut brotherhood.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#21)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    You're not foolish enough to think that a few minutemen are going to take care of that problem, are you?
    I don't think anyone is claiming this is the answer, including the organizers. What it is doing is publicizing an issue that many Americans for many reasons agree with, and believe isn't being properly addressed by the Gov't. You seem to be taking a very narrow view of it, and I think you're missing the big picture.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    I don't believe I have a narrow view of the very real, and dangerous, problems with the US/Mexico border. I believe the vigilantes and their supporters are the ones with a narrow view.

    Show us how a small group of unauthorized citizens, stationing themselves at the border, are going to be able to fix anything.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#23)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    cheet, you made a claim and you can't back it up. Your link did not address the question. There is nothing left to say.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#24)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    Patrick writes:
    I sure hope they change the policy about owning land. Cozumel is paradise to me.
    Not likely. They have a leasehold culture and we have a freehold culture. Their law is based on the Napoleonic code, ours English common law. I don't know if lease vs. free is related to that, or to the historical fact that for many years large landowners owned thousands of acres and the peasants leased the land. PIL and cheetah – The problem with illegal immigration is that it drives down wages for the working poor in this country. There are no jobs that Americans won’t do; there are just jobs that don’t pay enough. Shut off the illegal workers and the price would rise. This would increase the pressure on all low paying industries, including the Left’s hated Wal-Mart, to raise wages and benefits. Of course it would also mean that lawn care would rise and child care would go up, but so what. Brother, can you spare a nickel more for an apple? cheetah writes:
    “When I grew up in southern CA, I spent alot of time there. The Mexican people are warm, friendly, and as fine a people as you will find anywhere”
    That sounds close to what white racists used to say about blacks. “Why I know lots of good blacks. Why I have many black friends.” I’ll tell you what I told a couple of these blowhards. Blacks don’t care about what you think about them, or if you have black friends. What they want are jobs and the same rights other citizens enjoy. The problem that the illegal immigrants bring is that their presence is hurting our citizens. Forgetting everything else, that should be reason enough to shut down the border’

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    PPJ, after quoting cheetah, makes this wild comment,
    That sounds close to what white racists used to say about blacks.
    I don't know if your statement is true or not(takes one to know one), but first of all, I'm not "white". Secondly, I'm no racist.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    What's the matter, PPJ, don't want to answer for your goof? It's not as if you haven't made them before.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#27)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:38 PM EST
    Paul in Lower Alabama wrote of BB:
    I know you are bigoted, and there are plenty of bigots throughtout the world, but 'we' are not bigoted. YOU are bigoted.
    There you go reading into peoples hearts again. I keep tellin ya that the TSA could use you as a profiler at an airport. Don't forget to throw in an Amerikkka or two.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#28)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:39 PM EST
    cheetah - Goof? I merely quoted you and noted the similarities between two statements. Now, instead of discussing the economic points I brought up, why don't you start yelling that I hijacked the thread by writing about why we need to shut down the border. Wile - Please. Please. Calling PIL Paul In Lower Alabama is a terrible insult to Alabama. I can't imagine what they have done to you to rate such a terrible blow. ;-)

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:39 PM EST
    PPJ, You are the one who made all the racist comments, and implications. And you goof so often that it's no big deal, nothing new, just more of the same old cr*p.

    As for your economic points, there's nothing to debate. Let's start fining the companies who hire illegally, and raise the minimum wage. Nothing difficult about it.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:39 PM EST
    And let's turn "free" trade into fair trade.

    Get it?

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#31)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:39 PM EST
    Paul..do you know any US Citizens that live in Mexico? If so, ask them how well they are recieved there? If we treated them here like they treat us there....you'd really be freakin. Go check it out & get back to me.... I'd love to hear your spin on this! Allow me PIL, BB, you are so right. Mexicans treat US citizens differently. They treat us FAR BETTER than we treat them. There are THOUSANDS of expatriated and commuting US citzens who live and/or work in Mexico. There are some who commute EVERY DAY to work in the US for many different reasons, but often because the cost of living is much lower (1/2) than in the US. I know several people personally and they know many others, who are retired in Baha. They frikkin LOVE it there. And I can't wait to join them when my time comes. Mexican people WANT our business. They are courteous and respectful. We bring revenue for them. They do quality work at a fraction of the cost. And your comment was blatantly bigoted.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#32)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:39 PM EST
    cheetah - And the racist comments were? BTW - I note you still can't seem to provide a response to the economic problems caused by the illegal immigrants.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:39 PM EST
    I already responded to that. Our economic problems shouldn't, and don't, fall on the shoulders of immigrants, legal or otherwise.

    If you want to know what the "racist comments" were, go back and read your own post. I merely pointed out the ridiculous connection you made.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    s u o
    There is nothing left to say.
    Oh yeah, there is. I'm not your secretary! Do your own research. If you don't know how to do research, swallow your frikkin' pride, and tell us. Someone will help you.

    Now, don't ask me for links again.

    Got that?

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#35)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    Paul in LA LA I've lived and travelled in Mexico for decades. Among the nicest and sweetest people on the earth. Well bully for you. I wasn't talking about the Mexican people! I was talking about the government! They don't want Americans there taking their jobs. They make sure you report in often (don't want you slipping away where they can't find you) You can't bring a computer in.. you have to buy one there. They make it VERY hard to start a business.... etc..etc. Look it up. The point is... (unlike our government) their people come first! et al... Yeah...Mexico is a paradise alright That's why tens of thousands slip under the fence every year! Mexico city is one of the fithiest places on earth. BTW...don't drink the water! Che'... Mexican people WANT our business Oh yeah ..they want the money alright, but don't go there and try to sell them something... You'll end up in jail if you don't go through ALL their legal channels.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#36)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    BB, You're right, the Mexican Gov't is certainly less than hospitable to non-citizens, and it's always easy to force money out of an unwary traveler. I wasn't trying to disount your point, but I would still love to retire there. Run a little dive shop out of Cozumel, no worries...

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#37)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    cheet, don't lie and then expect not to be called on it. Got that?

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#38)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    Patrick writes:
    but I would still love to retire there. Run a little dive shop out of Cozumel, no worries...
    Seriously. Do a lot of research. The possibilities for problems are high, for a variety of reasons, especially if you open a business. cheetah - The issue has nothing to do with "our" economic problems being placed on the backs of illegal immigrants. The facts are that, by their presence here, they depress the wage structure for actual lower income US citizens. And they do consume more resources than they pay for. None of this makes them bad, but none of it makes them good, either. It just makes them poor people wanting a way out. And condescending statements by you won't change that. And, since they exist outside the law, they add another problem because it is evident that terrorist could easily exist within the group. So the answer is to shut down the border. As to locking up people who employ illegals, I am all for that, but the question then becomes, how detailed/official do you want your National ID card to be? Because if you want to put people in jail you are going to have to prove that they knew the new employee was illegal.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:40 PM EST
    s u o, Read the link, there is information under the headings poverty and standard of living, then income, then employment. There's a little something called deductive reasoning. Some of us know how to use that.

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#40)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:41 PM EST
    "Posted by BB: "I wasn't talking about the Mexican people! I was talking about the government!" Oh, I see! So you're worried that the Mexican GOVERNMENT is sneaking under the border fences and coming to cut my lawn? Well, that's different. I'm opposed to the Mexican government coming into S. California to clean out the bathrooms of tourists downtown. However, as I have said a couple of times to RESOUNDING silence on your side, you could load up the entire Mexican government in a few of those UNINSPECTED semi-trucks that are streaaming across the porous COMMERCIAL border. Stop the Congreso de la Union NOW, before it is too late. Join the Minuteman fight to stop the Mexican Congress from sneaking across our borders. Gringolandia must not fall to the Pinches Congresitos!

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:41 PM EST
    Glad to see that Jim continues to 'quote' the spurious research of CIS, about which this: "Among the right-wing foundations that fund CIS are Sarah Scaife Foundation, John M. Olin Foundation, Jaqueline Hume Foundation, Carthage Foundation, and Scaife Family Foundation." Scaife front

    Re: NM: Hundreds Rally Against Minutemen (none / 0) (#42)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:44 PM EST
    Paul in La..LA.. Oh, I see! So you're worried that the Mexican GOVERNMENT is sneaking under the border fences and coming to cut my lawn? Jeez dude...! PPJ is right... you are impossible. Do you actually read what people write to you... or just automatically go off on a tangient? It turns out you really are in La La land! I was talking about how the Mexican Government treats Americans there!...hello?... Talk about hijacking a thread!

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