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By Jeralyn, Section Terror Detainees
Posted on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 04:07:06 PM EST
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USA Today is reporting that Capt. Leslie J. McCoy, the Commanding Officer at Guantanamo, has been sacked for misconduct, allegedly unrelated to the detainees.

The commanding officer of the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was relieved of his duties Saturday after he was accused of inappropriate management practices, a Navy spokesman said. Capt. Leslie J. McCoy, who had commanded Guantanamo since March 2003, was the subject of an investigation into inappropriate personnel and administrative practices unrelated to the base's detention camp for suspected terrorists.

"His release and reassignment are in no way related to the detainee operations taking place in Guantanamo," said C. Patrick Dooling, spokesman for Navy Southeast Region based in Jacksonville.

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    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#22)
    by john horse on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:52:01 PM EST
    PPJ I don't see anything "funny" about an increase in the number of terrorist attacks since Bush has started his "war" against terrorism. If what Bush is doing results in an increase in the number of terrorist incidents my conclusion is that his strategy is ineffective and even counterproductive. You could argue that Bush's strategy will be effective in the long run. However, what evidence do you have to support this position? The problem with being an apologist for Bush is that facts keep getting in the way. Again, to quote Georg Will, "Being blankly incapable of distinguishing cherished hopes from disappointing facts, or of reassessing comforting doctrines in face of contrary evidence, is a crippling political vice."

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#23)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:52:01 PM EST
    John Horse – For “funny” read “peculiar.” And you should remember that after WII all attacks from Japan ceased. My point, of course, is that war will have more attacks than peace. As we pressure the terrorists they will respond. You say don’t pressure. Of course all that does is let the terrorists attack on their schedule and their time frame. John, let's face it. There is nothing Bush can do, outside of pulling the troops out and resigning and turning the government over to Kennedy to serve out his brother's term, that would satisfy you. As for Will, I have no idea of what context he is speaking in. If he is agreeing with you then I would say he has been in Washington far too long.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#6)
    by Randinho on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:55:50 PM EST
    And they sure ain't choosing Leftism anymore, less and less all the time. Not hard to understand, given the track records of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pot, Saddam and other socialists. With the exception of Colombia and Paraguay, the presidents of Ibero South America are elected leftists. The president of Panama is a leftist. Mexico will probably elect a leftist next year. As for "Iraq quieting down" May and June were among the worst months since the start of hostilities. Regarding France, Chirac is the conservative. The PP in Spain is taking a huge beating having lost it's leadership role in Galicia and reduced to infighting among themselves. Portugal just tossed the conervatives and elected a socialist. Sometimes it's just like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#7)
    by Randinho on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:56:01 PM EST
    Lest I forget, Iraq and Iran are forging a military coöperation agreement.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#1)
    by Randinho on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:02 PM EST
    "His release and reassignment are in no way related to the detainee operations taking place in Guantanamo," said C. Patrick Dooling, spokesman for Navy Southeast Region based in Jacksonville. The fact that they felt a need to indicate that fact shows just how badly our nation's reputation has been damaged by the treatment of the detainees.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#2)
    by ras on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:02 PM EST
    Randy, I don't think your nation's reputation has been damaged. Quite the contrary, the response to terrorism, Afg, Iraq & Gitmo et al, has been overall quite admirable. The occasional exceptions - such as Lyndie England - are overshadowed a thousandfold and more by the good. It's the Left, and their supporters in the MSM, whose reputation has suffered. The Left gets the press, for sure, but when elections come about - the only real opinion polls, eh? - they have been getting trounced, while the pro-US govts - in the US, in Iraq, in Britain, in Australia and elsewhere - win reelection. The only exception was Spain, and even that was just a case of a bombing and some confusion over whodunnit. Next up: Germany. We'll see if the trend continues.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#3)
    by Al on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:02 PM EST
    And Poland, ras. Don't forget Poland.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#4)
    by Randinho on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:02 PM EST

    It's the Left, and their supporters in the MSM, whose reputation has suffered.

    Yeah, it's probably those who we have tortured while they were detained. /snark>

    Blair won with a significantly reduced majority (declining from 161 seats to 66 seats), Howard is losing support, Berlusconi is yanking troops out in advance of an election (where he's very vulnerable) and the president's disapproval rating is at an all time high.

    Al, I didn't forget Poland. They're pulling out their troops from Iraq by the end of the year.

    Keep clicking your heels together Ras and keep saying "There's no place like home."
    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#5)
    by ras on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:02 PM EST
    Don't forget the deepening ties with India, either. And yes, Poland too. I note that an even more US friendly govt appears likely there. But we'll see. Like I say, the only polls that matter - and the only ones truly accurate - are elections. Howard won. So did Blair. So did Bush. And any one of them could win again today. Italy & Poland were there when needed. Now that things are settling down in Iraq - much as it galls the Left to admit it - they are welcome to go home. Well done. The US, being the only nation capable of defending Iraq against attack from, say Iran, will linger till long-term stability is assured. Funny thing, elections. They have winners and losers, and all the spin in the world can't change that. Everything else is just hot air. Funny, too, what the majority of people the world over actually choose when they have a choice. Not what pollsters report, or propagandists spin ... what people choose. And they sure ain't choosing Leftism anymore, less and less all the time. Not hard to understand, given the track records of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pot, Saddam and other socialists. People are not misled by propaganda over Gitmo, for ex, and they recognize that replacing a commander there, and openly reporting the reason, is a good thing by the US Armed Forces. Spin don't change that. We have the web now, and can get to the truth ourselves. Like I say, it'll be interesting to see how Bush's opponents in Germany fare. And France. They didn't do all that well in Lebanon, either, did they? Nor in Iraq (Sadr who?). Even in the ME, the times they are a' changin'. Well done.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#8)
    by ras on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:02 PM EST
    Sometimes it's just like shooting fish in a barrel. Those being the exact same words that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pot, Saddam, & Castro (among others) used as they killed millions. Just a coincidence, probably. Note the pattern, tho - those with the longest experience of socialism are rejecting it. Those lacking equal experience, and with less advanced communications systems, and less free flow of information, still choose some measure of it. Another coincidence? Hardly. But it bodes well for the future. As blogs and other peer-peer communication expands, Leftism withers. Trumped-up Gitmo stories just ain't selling as well when people can verify it for themselves. But interesing, isn't it?, the line of association from the Left's Gitmo propaganda to here. All part of the same thing, really. And with a hopeful conclusion.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:02 PM EST
    Ah yes, ras...the guy who celebrates the burgeoning Iraq-Iran Shi'ite alliance. Who won the Iranian elections, ras? Was it the pro-Bush candidate? Ummm...no. BTW...the U.S. is about the only country in the Americas who has gone with a right winger in a recent election. And that includes Canada. Whattsa matter, ras, why can't your countrymen show the courage to rid themselves of socialist government??

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#10)
    by chupetin on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:02 PM EST
    Randy, I saw that a couple of days ago and I thought it was major news. I wonder why I havent seen anything in the US media. Lools like Iraq doesn't need to defend itself from,say Iran, and with increased help with training, the sooner our boys can get out of there.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#11)
    by ras on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    Ernesto! So glad that the crux of your beliefs - that the Iranian elections are the measure by which to judge the will of the world's pwoples - is on full and unabashed display. Thanks! May it google on forever.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    ras! Yes, Iran...and Canada, too! O Canada...we stand on guard for thee... Apparently standing on guard doesn't mean sending your sons and daughters to die for the neocon agenda of "spreading democracy", eh ras? You wimpy socialists won't even torture anyone to preserve your freedom. Just what kind of democracy is that??

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    Ras, why are you wasting time here arguing with the left when you and your family members could be working and fighting for the Bush administration in Iraq or Afghanistan? If you really believe in these operations, why aren't you working on them?

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#14)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    CA - You keep making the same argument. And it is dumb. Think not? try this. If you are so opposed to what we are doing in Iraq, why aren't you over there helping the terrorists? Pretty stupid question, eh?

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#15)
    by john horse on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    ras, Most Western countries, including France, Germany and Spain, are "pro US" governments. Actually, all countries act in their own interest, rather than our interest, which is why Italy is withdrawing their troops. Also, elections in other countries are often decided on local issues, rather than support for the US. The rest of the world does not always revolve around the USA despite your belief that it does. The US does do alot of things that are admirable and our good acts are appreciated throughout the world. However, much of that goodwill has evaporated as a result of our invasion and occupation of Iraq, abuse of prisoners in Abu Ghraib, Guantanmo, and Bagram, our policy of extraordinary rendition, etc. This is unfortunate because it is in our interest to have as many countries and people throughout the world working and cooperating with us. Bush's policy in Iraq is not succeeding. According to Maj. Neemeyer, we face a "stalemate. . . They cannot militarily overwhelm us, but we cannot deliver a knockout blow, either". Bush's policy against terrorism is not succeeding either. According to the US Dept of State publication Patterns or Global Terrorism, in 2003 there had been 175 significant terrorist attacks that year (the highest number since the State Department first began compiling the report in 1985). In 2004, the numbers are even worse - 651 attacks, nearly four times the amount of the previous year's embarrassment. By the way, this does not include attacks against US soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan. However, if you have any facts that prove otherwise, please provide them. As the conservative columnist George Will wrote "Being steadfast in defense of carefully considered convictions is a virtue. Being blankly incapable of distinguishing cherished hopes from disappointing facts, or of reassessing comforting doctrines in face of contrary evidence, is a crippling political vice."

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#16)
    by Randinho on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    Those being the exact same words that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pot, Saddam, & Castro (among others) used as they killed millions. Just a coincidence, probably. When presented with facts you respond with slurs. If that's the type of imtellectual rigor the right is bringing to the table, God help your side.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#17)
    by Randinho on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    If you are so opposed to what we are doing in Iraq, why aren't you over there helping the terrorists? Pretty stupid question, eh? Probably because, unlike you and much of the right, CA is capable of realizing that opposition to a war doesn't mean embracing the enemy's goals and tactics, whereas Ras appears to support the war and the Bush administration's efforts, but not to extent that he wants to make a sacrifice for the cause. Try wrapping your head around the possibility that reasonable people can disagree with a policy without embracing the polar opposite. As for your second question, it wasn't a stupid question. Just all too typical.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#18)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    Ras, As Monkey Boy would say, you are either with us or you are with the terrorists. Since your Govt refused to participate in the Iraqi invasion, that makes you the enemy, whether you like it or not.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#19)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    John Horse writes: in 2003 there had been 175 significant terrorist attacks that year (the highest number since the State Department first began compiling the report in 1985). In 2004, the numbers are even worse - 651 attacks, nearly four times the amount of the previous year's embarrassment.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#20)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    John Horse - Numbers are funny things. They need to be put in context. e.g. In 1940 and in the first 11 months of 1941 there were no attacks by Japan on America. Of course after the start of the war, things changed.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#21)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    Randy Paul - Nope. CA just likes to use that as a favorite tactic, knowing that most people who will be on this blog have not been in the military. You may note that CA does not use it on RA and me. I repeat. It is an stupid question and is no defense of an anti-war position. So, if you have one, let's see it. Otherwise just admit that the real problem is you dislike Bush intensely and that is why you oppose his foreign policy, and everything else he does. At least that will be honest.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    A totally illegal war must be continued because the only option is to turn over the government to Ted Kennedy. Hilarious. "Don't forget the deepening ties with India, either." Oh, yeah, they're just about having riots over US intent to sell F-16s to Pakistan. The only reason why the Bush-US is popular in India is because corporations are sending tens of thousands of jobs over there every month. Those same corporations are paying no or little taxes to the US anyhow -- it's a win-win for the corporations, and a solid loss for America. Spreading tax money around in duffle bags is not the method of just government. Allowing companies to avoid taxation and ship jobs overseas is an excellent method to cripple the US economy, so that great wealth can be gouged out of the gross national product... ...killing and maiming a great number of our best AND MOST PRODUCTIVE citizens along the way.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#25)
    by Randinho on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    PPJ, Joining the military is not the only option. If Ras believes that Iraq is "quieting down" he could try to get a job with a contractor there or perhaps attempt to volunteer in some capacity.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    If you are so opposed to what we are doing in Iraq, why aren't you over there helping the terrorists? Because I don't believe in their tactics. I suspect I share few of their geopolitical views. I think as fundamentalists, the jihadists are actually pretty similar in temperament to the religious right. Both want to impose their narrow religious-political vision on others. And as for your military service, Jim, I think you and I have the same amount of combat experience. I don't cut you any slack for being a navel aviator. And that was not a misspelling for those of you keeping score at home. Reasoning with Jim is like getting into an a**-kicking contest with a long-legged man.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#27)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    CA writes:
    I suspect I share few of their geopolitical views.
    No doubt. Military service is military service. You have none so you bark about others. IMHO - The lowest Seaman who never left the coast served the country more than you. BTW - You opine:
    Both want to impose their narrow religious-political vision on others
    . I want to keep'em around as a defensive tool. All I need to do is have'em wave a cross at the Left and you guys will just run in circles screaming and shouting.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#28)
    by Randinho on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    I want to keep'em around as a defensive tool. All I need to do is have'em wave a cross at the Left and you guys will just run in circles screaming and shouting. Ahh, the continued cluelessness of the gross generalizers. P.S. I'm a regular mass attending Roman Catholic PPJ, love garlic, the sun and whittle wooden stakes from time to time.

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#29)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:04 PM EST
    Randy Paul - You make my point in two ways. First, it is the religious right that the Left is always attacking, not the main stream NCC's. A response such as yours almost always includes in it the "Some of my best friends are..." defense. Secondly, I mentioned cross and you responded. :-)

    Re: Guantanamo Commander Relieved of Duty for Misc (none / 0) (#30)
    by Randinho on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:01:04 PM EST
    PPJ, If you can't distinguish between a calm, reasoned response such as mine and someone running in circles screaming, well that explains everything about your cognitive skills or lack of same.

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