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Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown?

By Jeralyn, Section Other Politics
Posted on Fri May 20, 2005 at 11:26:35 PM EST
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Sen. Bill Frist trotted out Bishop Harry Jackson today, a black minister who supports Janice Rogers Brown. His support appears based on her opposition to gay marriage and support for heterosexual, conservative family values.

Bishop Harry Jackson said judges like Brown are needed to stop courts from overruling the people with decisions like those requiring the legalization of same-sex marriage. Jackson said black and white churches are uniting to restore "America's moral compass."

Who is he? He's a member of a group called "The High Impact Leadership Coalition," which, according to at least this writer, practices bigotry.

But don't take her word for it. Check out the group's inaugural press release:

"I have been praying, preaching and talking about these issues locally for many years, said Bishop Jackson, senior pastor of the nearly 3,000 member Hope Christian Church just outside Washington, D.C. "Our nation is in a moral crisis and the Church must lead the way to healing our nation. It is time for both righteousness and justice to reign in America and strong biblical principles must lead the way," continued Bishop Jackson, chairman of High-Impact Leadership Coalition. One of the issues Bishop Jackson will continue to speak out about is the importance of the biblical definition of marriage, which is the marriage between one man and one woman. However, Bishop Jackson and the High Impact Leadership Coalition have five other important moral value issues they believe are as important as the biblical definition of marriage for all.

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    Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? | 21 comments (21 topical)
    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    Supposed Christians who vociferously support someone who has killed tens and hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT people, and ordered torture of thousands accompanied by religious hatred and outright racism. All for power and wealth. Hmmm... I remember somebody said: "But for the moment, they are intoxicated. When they shake off their wine, then they will repent." (--Gospel of Thomas)

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    A choice quote from the pusher of the "Contract with Black America": "Black churches are too concerned with justice" -Bishop Jackson

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    It's probably a monument to affirmative action and the civil rights movement that the neocons can find so many people of a little color - Condi, Alberto, et al to dance to their tune for a reasonable salary and the chance to walk the halls of power. I think they are being used very cynically by a white power structure that continues to hold them in contempt, but I could be wrong about that. The bottom line is that people who are sincerely generous, kind, and just have always been somewhat rare. Like Chief Dan George/Lodgeskins said, there have always been a limited number of human beings, but there is an unlimited number of white people. Anybody wondering why Colin Powell has dropped out of sight? Too smart for this crowd. He did some work on their behalf that he should be mortified about, but he's a politician with enough smarts to know that if he stays out of sight while the real vision of the neocons becomes clear, he will get to walk the halls of power again when the "reform" republicans pick up the pieces. I guess every few decades the American people have to elect a Nixon or Dubya. We seem to have some electoral affiinity to amoral war criminals.

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#4)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:16 PM EST
    et al - I grew up as a white sharecropper's son. I understand poverty from first hand experience, and I understand that discrimination is about retention of power by one group over another. The methods of doing this were various, but chief among them were to keep blacks, and poor whites, isolated through very limited education, no social upward path and absolutely no social contact between the groups. The blacks purchased goods and food from the back door of the store, while the poor whites purchased from the front. Both paid the same high prices and received for it limited selection and terrible quality. When factories fled the north and east in the 40's and 50's to pay lower wages in the south, the poor whites immediately saw their standard of living improve. As they were told by friends and relatives that people in Chicago and Detroit were paid $2.00 more per hour for the same job, the Unions had ready made members. None of this was missed by the blacks, and a 40 plus years Civil Rights struggle started. It has had much success, but sad to say, in many places aross the country discrimination still exists. I believe that many "people of a little color," as CA so quaintly puts it, are watching the Demos try to keep them on the Reservation, while also watching the Repubs include them in real power.

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#5)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:16 PM EST
    CA - Nope, since I am not a Repub, I don't have to defend their sins, as you have to defend the sins of the Demos. You know, you act as if religion is important in your life. I wonder if you would agree that if there is no forgiveness, no hope of heaven, then why would anyone change, try to improve? At the very least, this will insure that the country will have the means to nominate and confirm judges that reflect the desires of the country. As I look back at the actions of the Senate in the 40's, 50's and 60's, I wonder how many children went to sleep hungry because of conservative rulings? How many blacks were barred from a successful life in an open society? You know, I have a dislike for the Repubs for who they were, and a dislike for the Demos for who they have become. When I listen to Reid speak I remember clearly Governor George Wallace screaming that he would stand in the school house door to keep out blacks. I see very little differeance.

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#6)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:16 PM EST
    You know, I have a dislike for the Repubs for who they were, and a dislike for the Demos for who they have become.
    Of course this means that PPJ likes this group of dishonest, lying, war mongering Repubs who are also out to destroy all social programs. But we already knew that.

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#8)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:16 PM EST
    Jim please stop whining about responses. That's what happens when you voice your opinion, calm or not.

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:16 PM EST
    "When I listen to Reid speak I remember clearly Governor George Wallace screaming that he would stand in the school house door to keep out blacks. I see very little difference." No, no, Jim, that's the wrong Mel Gibson movie. The one we're talking about is the one where the little kid says: I see dead people. The racism of Vietnam and Iraq is not some '40s, 50s' long-ago condition. You have exported your racism, so now you can embrace Rent-a-Niggah®, with a smile and a smirk. This is very much like Osama bin Laden's infamous Rent-an-Arab®, the best in Saudi terror, When you need the wrong people to blame, call Rent-an-Arab®, the BEST in Saudi terror. As you kill innocent women and children in a BRUTALLY disarmed, raped, poisoned, and near-dismantled formerly-sovereign country, you will feel your National Pride in Racism (NPR) returning, like the vampire's blood. Gushers of NPR will flow from the severed limbs of 10,000 fine soldiers. With your 'ooh-rah,' and our Fake People of Color, we'll have you back in clover in no time. By the makers of Election-Stealer®, Justice-on-a-Stick®, and NEW Media-Muffler®, for good nights' sleep even the screams of Auschwitz cannot disturb. Your self-deluding lies are our MOST important responsibility. From the traitors at Spishak-Nixon™, makers of fine Third-world tyranny for 145 years.

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#12)
    by glanton on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:16 PM EST
    "When I listen to Reid speak I remember clearly Governor George Wallace screaming that he would stand in the school house door to keep out blacks. I see very little differeance." This is a "calm, reasoned statement"? Man, you get nuttier everyday. Reid wants to keep Janny out of this lifetime appointment because she's no more fit to hold the position than Wallace would have been. "Of course this means that PPJ likes this group of dishonest, lying, war mongering Repubs who are also out to destroy all social programs. But we already knew that." Now there's a pretty reasonable statement, one that months of TL posts will bear out to the letter.

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#13)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:16 PM EST
    PPJ - what you can't handle the truth. Too bad you spread your snarky comment all over here, but like the bully you truly are you can dish it out but can't take it. Besides they were your words

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#14)
    by glanton on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:16 PM EST
    And how wonderful to bring up the "War on Terror" in a thread about Janny. This proves once again that what is happening in Iraq is a political move for the GOP. Anything and everything can be connected to it, as when Karen Hughes claimed that 9/11 changed the abortion debate. To what depraved depths the misguided patriot descends......

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#15)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:16 PM EST
    PIL - Life is not a movie, something a young man from Tinsel Town like yourself who has undoubtedly had every advantage apparently does not understand. Hopefully, when the real world bites you on the butt, the wound will be only bad enough to make you recognoze reality. In the meantime, please keep ranting. You prove my points about the radical Left in America so very well... DA - Now that we have shared our humble beginnings, I wonder what led you absorb the propaganda of the Left and for me to reject it? I think my conversion started when I realized that the radical Left had siezed the Democratic Party and that I shared very little with them. And no, the various groups you mentioned did not have another group trying to keep them on the Reservation the same way blacks did, and do. At that point the goal was unity, not diversity which has turned into another way of saying... "Now don't get uppitty, you hear?"

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#16)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:16 PM EST
    PPJ - history revisionist extroadinaire

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:16 PM EST
    You know, you act as if religion is important in your life. I wonder if you would agree that if there is no forgiveness, no hope of heaven, then why would anyone change, try to improve? Gotta say I don't know where you are going with this question, but my answer is that I do not agree. I think people might very well try to improve, change without forgiveness, without hope of heaven, etc. Sometimes a person can just choose goodness for goodness' sake. Nothing in it for them, no redemption, no heaven, just doing the right thing. I think that is the real point of random acts of kindness and senseless beauty. The kind of "good for spiritual blessing" you describe is known to me. I think it is a very immature approach and understanding of ethics and spirituality. It seems to be a shallow form of idea commerce, not a spiritual path.

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#19)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:16 PM EST
    DA - Just when I think you are an actual human being you prove me wrong, and, at the same time, demonstrate the Left's capability to have a "bullying, bragging, thin-skinned, servile parrot..." for the Left. It is obvious that the Left and many Demos want to demand that minorities toe the line. To this end they demean, attack and oppose any enterprise they might attempt as a demonstration that it is much safer to just drop the head and say, "Yes Master." I didn't like that as a poor white boy, and I am very sure that blacks didn't like it then, and do not like it now. And you know I do not comment on family. SD - No rebuttal, eh? I suppose you know more of the history of the south in the 40's and 50's than someone who lived it. Typical of you. CA - My point was that man can not be his own God. Everytime he has tried it the results have been failure. I refer specifically to the Soviet Union and the socialist secular government societies of Europe. So man must have the hope of heaven, or else what is to restrain his baser instincts?

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:17 PM EST
    PPJ...the Republican Party of Trent Lott is the ideological descendent of the Dixiecrat Party of George Wallace. That's why most Blacks down south vote for Democrats these days and Whites for Republicans. The fact that you can't acknowledge this simple history means you are either living in a parallel universe...or just plain full of crap.

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#22)
    by pigwiggle on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:17 PM EST
    “It is obvious that the Left and many Demos want to demand that minorities toe the line “’But, for the second time you've no proof of this’” Well, the first thing that comes to mind is the very ugly talk following the 2004 presidential defection of religious southern blacks, mainly prompted by the gay marriage issue. Talk to the effect of; the southern red states are welfare states , ‘uncle toms’ denying homosexuals civil rights now that they are up in the house (of course no one said uncle tom, well, not any white folks anyway). Peruse the TL archives, plenty examples of both.

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:17 PM EST
    the 2004 presidential defection of religious southern blacks, mainly prompted by the gay marriage issue.
    I haven't seen any polling numbers that purport to show this, have you? It would surprise me if it happened since Black voters are very rarely dumb enough to fall for Republican wedge-issue strategy.

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:17 PM EST
    So man must have the hope of heaven, or else what is to restrain his baser instincts?
    Oh I don't know PPJ. I've never had trouble being considerate of the emotions of others, giving to charity, and restraining my "baser" instincts. I certainly haven't needed someone fear-mongering that some invisible being in the sky that loves me is going to make me suffer for all eternity.... Don't believe in the Great Green Arkleseizure, either. Or in short, to answer your question, how about free will, and the golden rule. Works fine for me, and many others I know. If you need a boogyman to keep you in line, by all means go with it. Don't try to tar all the rest of us with the same brush. That's just sad.

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:17 PM EST
    Well, I think there is an argument that more suffering and death has developed out of religion than out of a lack of faith. Crusades? Northern Ireland? Did fear of God, hopes of heaven, etc. keep people from acting out their baser instincts? As usual, the world is much more complex than Jim imagines.

    Re: Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? (none / 0) (#27)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:17 PM EST
    Adept - Or so you say. CA - Perhaps it was the loss of the hope that caused the problems you mention.

    Which Black Groups Support Rogers Brown? | 21 comments (21 topical)