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Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It Enough?

Sen Rick Santorum has issued a statement calling the remarks he made yesterday, in which he compared Democrats to Hitler, a mistake:

What he said:

"The audacity of some members to stand up and say 'How dare you break this rule' -- it's the equivalent of Adolf Hitler in 1942 saying 'I'm in Paris, how dare you invade me. How dare you bomb my city. It's mine.' This is no more the rule of the Senate than it was the rule of the Senate before not to filibuster. It was an understanding and agreement, and it has been abused."

What he says now:

Santorum issued his own clarification yesterday evening, stating that the reference to Hitler was "meant to dramatize the principle of an argument, not to characterize my Democratic colleagues."

"My point was that it is preposterous for someone to trample a well-established principle, and then accuse his opponents of acting unlawfully when they try to reestablish that principle," Santorum said. "Nevertheless, it was a mistake and I meant no offense."

I can't wait to see the campaign commercials playing and replaying those comments when he runs for re-election. In the meantime, is his admission of a "mistake" enough? Go read Steve Gilliard [link via Daily Kos.]

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    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#1)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:14 PM EST
    How do Republicans even stomach the sight of that creep?

    Via the comments in John Cole In Santorum's defense, he is really really dumb.

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#3)
    by Pete Guither on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:14 PM EST
    Personally, I think whenever one of our stupid politicians uses outrageous hyperbole, even when it's nasty or hypocritical, all that's needed is an apology and then move on. (Doesn't mean it's forgotten, just that it's time to move on.) I'd rather focus longer on the outright lies that come out of their mouths so often, and actually distinguish between uncivil speech (as a bad thing, but merely misguided) and attempts to deceive the public through lies and distortions of fact (unacceptable). That said, Santorum's "clarification" is a pretty weak apology.

    Peter, I agree. Unless the comment speaks to (or appears to speak to) a personal truth about said politicians belief system or motivations that violate the image of the person "the people" elected. Sadly, many of the people who elected Mr. Santorum agree with him entirely. The ones who don't should wake up and smell the formaldehyde.

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#5)
    by Pete Guither on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:14 PM EST
    Great line (via Balloon Juice): "In Santorum's defense, he is really really dumb."

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#6)
    by The Heretik on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:14 PM EST
    Even more appalling than Frist's comments about Democrat's "assassinating judges".

    Santorum's remarks are absurb. However, Byrds comparison of the Nuclear Option to Hitler's ramming legislation through the 1933 legislature were not much different.

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#8)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:14 PM EST
    ok, but can i ask what principle is santorum talking about? do any of you remember, the ASPIRE And the N.S.A. And the deal with condoleezza rice? or the forrest gump thing? or the deal with the detention camp right here in your town?

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#9)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:14 PM EST
    ..........Then I think about the number of times Bush has been compared to Hitler in these very threads and I laugh out loud and the false indignation...

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#10)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:14 PM EST
    Patrick, Libs would stop comparing W to Hitler if he would just take off the jackboots.......

    It also might help if Bush stopped those "Party Rallies" where only the those truly faithful are given admittance, and those who might disagree are removed by the decree of party hacks and thugs. Just my opinion.

    You can find more Santorum fun and frolic in: - "The American Taliban" - "The Avenging Angel"

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#13)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:14 PM EST
    You can find more Santorum fun and frolic in...
    Lovely. In a thread criticizing the use of inflamatory language, you link an article calling Bush et al the "American Taliban." I like irony.

    Let's face it.People on both sides say idiotic things all the time!! If you gag Santorum you've got to gag Dean as well!! He's had some doozies too!

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#15)
    by glanton on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:14 PM EST
    Yes Patrick, see the difference is: Bush and Santorum are doing everything they can to limit or altogether eradicate civil liberties here. Both scoff at the idea of a right to privacy. Both operate as though they were invested with absolute knowledge of right and wrong, and see it as their duty to make sure that the rest of us adhere to it. What do such things sound like to you?

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#16)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:14 PM EST
    Glanton, Unfortuantely (Actually fortunately) there are people in this country with a different view than yours.

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#17)
    by glanton on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    Patrick, now there's a cogent response. Sound and fury signifying nothing. Of course, the apprporiate response to the fact that others have a "different point of view" is who cares? Really, Patrick, your "views" should not and do not matter to me at all, except as an impetus for conversation. But you and your heroes would enforce your narrow little moral construct onto the rest of us. And thereon lies the source of the Nazi rhetoric that so baffles you. Let Santorum run his mouth, apologize, harass another hospice, or take a bath in acid for all I care. He's still scum. Garbage in, garbage out.

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#18)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    Glanton, Do you understand the difference between what is a fact and what is an opinion? You offer much of the latter and little of the former. Yes, my views are just that, mine. Fortuantely more people are agreeing with me across the nation than are agreeing with you. And barring a true Constitutional conflict, I would enforce those views on you. That's what make a civilized society. We may disagree on where the balance is, but there is a balance between freedom and responsibility whether you like it or not.

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#19)
    by glanton on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    "barring a true Constitutional conflict" That's rich considering that your Presnit is nominating "people" like Prissy and Janny to make sure that virtually nothing is construed as a constitutional conflict (unless it involves defending business, that is). So it goes, in your Zarquawi-esque arrogance you will seek to erode my civil liberties and the leprous judges will support you. As Leahy pointed out today, in one of the best speeches of the Prissy debates, you guys personify hypocrisy in championing the merits of minority rights in Iraq and everywheer else, while here you do everything you can to emulate the one-party state. But none of this makes your views any more valid. Only more mobby. And effectively translating me and millions of other people from law-abiding citizens to the status of criminal. Don't think there won't be underground railroads for women seeking an abortion, for people seeking contraceptives, for homosexuals, for artists, for anyone with something to say that you and yours don't wanna hear.

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#20)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    Glanton,
    And effectively translating me and millions of other people from law-abiding citizens to the status of criminal.
    That's your choice, not mine. Be a man and take responsibility for your choices, don't blame society.

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#21)
    by glanton on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    "Be a man and take responsibility for your choices, don't blame society." Thanks for placing us back squarely within the parameters of this thread. After all, we could have said the same to the Holocaust victims or slaves, same to those who harbored Jews and slaves and were ruined and/or killed because of it. If society (read: you and yours) transgresses our inalienable rights and thereby criminalizes us, then they are indeed to blame. We take responsibility insofar as we don't take it lying down. Doesn't make you any less like vermin for shredding our rights. And this entire discussion makes your pontifications about how terrible the "Islamofascists" are, how "oppressive" they are, screamingly funny. Your intimate proximity to what you claim to hate is clearly outside your comprehension.

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#22)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    glanton,
    If society (read: you and yours) transgresses our inalienable rights and thereby criminalizes us, then they are indeed to blame. We take responsibility insofar as we don't take it lying down.
    Somewhere beneath all that venom you have a point. I'd give you a "hear hear" if you hadn't just elevated yourself to the same status as somebody hiding Jews from Nazis.

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#23)
    by glanton on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    roy, the "venom" emanates from my fristration that I am fighting for rights I oughtn't have to fight for. Period. As for the analogy you resent, sadly, the judicial ascension of lepers like Albeeert, Prissy, and Janny foreshadow presicely such a state of affairs. In two years, we residents in places like Oklahoma or Texas might well face execution for helping women get to a safe place to have an abortion. Such states might well also seize my performance venue and imprison me if I contract a theater company to produce, say, The Vagina Monologues or Angels in America. Sometimes I'm genuinely envious of the extreme right. Never for a second do they have to worry about being jailed or worse for peacefully pursuing their lives. Nobody trying to shut down their churches, their corporations, their tabloid publications. The scariest thing they have to face is limited access to automatic weapons and the chilling awareness that somewhere, somebody is doing something of which they don't approve. What has Rick Santorum ever had to fight for? He is a free man in every way as long as he doesn't hurt somebody, and that's to be applauded. The rest of us should be so fortunate.....

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#24)
    by Patrick on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    Glanton, Really? What rights of yours have been infringed on? What fight are you partaking in, other than bellyaching in left leaning blog? You made the idiotic statement that:
    Bush and Santorum are doing everything they can to limit or altogether eradicate civil liberties here. Both scoff at the idea of a right to privacy.
    I called you on it. It's your opinion they are doing that, not a fact and I'd dare say that your opinion is based on perspective, not specific articulable fact. Then you equate your nebulous loss of "rights" and your questionable fight to save those rights to the victims of the holocaust and slavery. Yeah, IMO, your being disingenuos or perhaps you have lost touch with reality. Either way, arguing with you is far from satisfying, it's getting boring
    If society (read: you and yours) transgresses our inalienable rights and thereby criminalizes us, then they are indeed to blame.
    Yep, I agree and would fight too, so again I ask, which of your inalienable rights is being trangsressed?

    "Never for a second do [the extreme right] have to worry about being jailed or worse for peacefully pursuing their lives." Perhaps the difference is that the things you want to do are wrong?

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#26)
    by glanton on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    sarcastic: Such righteousness, you and Zarquawi would make quite a pair. Take Prissy out proselytizing and one of you might get lucky. Patrick writes: "It's your opinion they are doing that, not a fact and I'd dare say that your opinion is based on perspective, not specific articulable fact" Ah, but their rage at Lawrence V Texas belies you. So too their designs on Roe. And then there's their rabble rousing at a Florida hospice, their fight to reignite the Scopes trials and to reinstate prayer in schools, their fight against contraceptives, their fight to render consumers and workers alike totally at the mercy of whatever whom their corporate donors may happen to harbor. Don't be a tool or a liar; either embrace it for what it is or be a friend to Constitutional liberty and oppose it however you can.

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#27)
    by glanton on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    a mild correction: "whatever whim their corporate donors may happen to harbor."

    Funny stuff g-man. And are you so righteous in your opinions that you can't recognize that, maybe, one or two of them might, perhaps, not be right?

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#29)
    by glanton on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    I'm sure all of my opinions range from the ridiculous to the outright wrong in somebody's eyes. Army of Darkness, for example, remains one of my favorite movies. But I have the right to them nonetheless. Unless I'm infringing on your right to do the same, let's just leave it to the nether realms of subjectivity. And I'm glad you realized I was being funny and slightly figurative rather than literal, re the Prissy thing. It was a homage to your earlier joke about it being okay to admit I made a mistake, since I;m not President.

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#30)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    " which of your inalienable rights is being trangsressed? " The right to be secure in our persons and papers. The right to worship (or not) as we see fit. And all of the laws that are against "Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" Admin wiretaps? Extraordinary rendition? Death and torture approved by gwb?

    g-man, The trouble comes when we attempt to decide whether the definition of right and wrong is subjective or not. The older I get, the more I believe that it is not subjective. My guess is that you believe it is. I don't think we're going to change each other's minds on this one.

    Re: Santorum Says Remarks Were a Mistake - Is It E (none / 0) (#32)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:15 PM EST
    Fortuantely more people are agreeing with me across the nation than are agreeing with you. And barring a true Constitutional conflict, I would enforce those views on you. That's what make a civilized society.
    And of course here we have a perfect example of the self-rightous attitude spouted incessently by the right. They know whats right and wrong and the rest of us sure as hell better conform. The fact that they have a big mob is all the justiifcation they need. And since they know they are right and rightous, any means justifies their ends, whether it be outright lies, distortion or slander. One does not have to wait for the mob to show up at your door to take you away before being concerned about the loss of liberty. As their question implies as long as no one is coming for them everything is ok. I firmly believe that when any citizen is unjustly denied their freedoms we all have lost something. They talk about responsibility and right and wrong but only as it applies to others. There is no logic too convoluted that they can't put forth that justifies the illegal and immoral actions of this administration. They carry on about newsweek but there is not a peep about the Blair memos showing that Bush planned to go to war way before 2003 and was just finding a way to justify it. So their moral outrage is selective and is for the most part orchastrated to divert attention from the behavior of this administration. Packing the court, the use of religion and fear, the slow but steady surpression of civil liberties and dissent, and the purposeful lying are all textbook characteristics of fascist regimes. Are we there yet? No. Is that where we are headed? Clearly yes.

    I agree with you SD. This is like 1930's Germany. Can we stop this from becoming 1940's Germany? That is the question. This is not a time to be timid in confronting power with truth. I don't trust Santorum's judgment or intelligence to make him an ally in preventing this country's further disgraceful slide into unchecked militarism. I bet he's another chicken hawk - no combat service, but lots of votes to send in the troops.

    "And of course here we have a perfect example of the self-rightous attitude spouted incessently by the right. They know whats right and wrong and the rest of us sure as hell better conform." Must be very frustrating for you, SD, as you are the one who really does know right from wrong.