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    Today's episode of "Petty and stupid": (none / 0) (#1)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 03:16:13 PM EST
    House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy says the House will not agree to funding for any commitments might make on behalf of the United States, should a climate accord be reached in Paris.

    The solution (none / 0) (#2)
    by NYShooter on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 04:09:24 PM EST
    to having "petty and stupid" leaders in charge of our country is rather simple:

    Vote for "smart and intelligent" people instead.

    The fact that "petty and stupid" has been a winner for way too long says something about those purporting to be "smart and intelligent,"  doesn't it?


    Not Really... (none / 0) (#4)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 04:19:13 PM EST
    ...when you consider the sums of money spent to keep people stupid.  Not much smart anything can do when the rich can by an entire network and broadcast stupid 24/7.

    I find it amazing that once or two a week I see here a certain someone who spends vast amounts of time and energy to prove lies are not really lies.

    Numero Uno, GW is a myth.  How many dollars and resources have been spent to prove that the lie is not a lie.  Mind boggling, really.


    Don't blame the voters. (none / 0) (#6)
    by lentinel on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 04:59:24 PM EST
    The fact that "petty and stupid" has been a winner for way too long says something about those purporting to be "smart and intelligent,"  doesn't it?

    The fact that petty and stupid people have been elected is not something for which you should blame the victim.

    In this case, the victim is the voter. The victims are the people.

    We have been given no one to vote for.
    And if we begin to think that maybe so and so is a candidate worth considering, we are hit with the conventional wisdom that so and so can't win... so we would be wasting our vote.

    So, guess who wins?

    One of the people on the ballot will be elected. And more often than not, that person will behave in a manner that seems petty and stupid.

    That is, petty and stupid to us.
    But not to the corporate interests whose money put them in power.

    To them, those petty and stupid people are doing one hell of a job.


    Sorry (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 05:54:46 PM EST
    but there are a lot of voters that like stupid in a president. Maybe not enough alone to win an election but look no further than the Bush apologists that hang out here. There are a lot of voters that refuse to inform themselves.

    There are smart voters, dumb voters and all kinds of voters. Voters who base their votes on religion etc.


    Whether (none / 0) (#11)
    by lentinel on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 07:13:36 PM EST
    they like it or not, stupid is what they are going to get.

    Or they get an intelligent president who acts stupid, like Clinton.


    Anyone Else Find It Odd... (none / 0) (#3)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 04:14:42 PM EST
    ...that they tell people not to go to public outings, to be vigilant, only to watch them shoot off fireworks at every NFL game, even the indoor stadiums.

    I mean WTF, put people on edge, step up security, go through their S like they have bombs, then make loud bomb like sounds in celebration at those public events.

    I also wonder if scaring people half to death had anything to do with Black Friday basically being demoted to just another Friday before xmas.

    I'd call (none / 0) (#5)
    by CST on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 04:25:09 PM EST
    The Black Friday situation a silver lining.  Hopefully it ends the nonsense of people working on thanksgiving.

    I so completely agree (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 05:59:11 PM EST
    What a croc.  I love the sports store that closed and gave their employees the holiday off.

    It's stupid.  It's embarrassing.  It's pointless.  Particularly now that you can buy anything online.

    I hope those are correct who speculated Black Fridays days are numbered.


    re the chicago police (none / 0) (#9)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 06:14:32 PM EST
    do we tend to think something weird is going on?

    Supposedly there are 5 police cams and all of missing some or all of their audio . . .

    a burger place manager claims that police deleted his video of the shooting, but others claim no deletion took place.

    maybe we need someone with the x-ray vision of superman . . .

    either that or a federal investigation  . . .

    refugees in the news & thought (none / 0) (#10)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 07:00:46 PM EST
    I don't particularly think it is a good idea to more or less adopt several thousand more syrian refugees than we have already done.

    Refugees were in the news again in the last few days,  in Germany.  Basically, Islamic recruiters go new arrivals or the areas of the new arrivals and say we will help you live your faith and encourage them to go to mosque and moreover, reportedly, do what they can do steer all possible to mosques that will radicalize those attending.

    The vast majority of the refugees we might take in are Muslim and apparently . . .  generally . . . ones who have little or no interest in learning our values and ways.  One in four of the mosques in the USA is owned or affiliated with a Muslims Brotherhood front organization.

    I have no particular idea if they should be Jordan, Iraq or Turkey or Kurdistan.  We have done a lot of favors to both Egypt and Jordan and I think we are still providing aid to their military, or at least that of Egypt.  

    How is it that we can spend billions in money in various sorts of aid to these countries no one --other than Jordan, perhaps-- wants many of them?

    Ten Muslim refugees who come to the USA and then to go a Muslim Brotherhood mosque and become radicalized--they can do enough damage and create enough chaos that we regret having brought in 8000 of the rest of them.

    it is stupid it seems to me to take them in on such conditions.

    1st freddie gray trial beginning (none / 0) (#12)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 07:14:49 PM EST
    The first of the freddie gray trials is beginning . . .

    William Porter is on trial for involuntary manslaughter and some other things . . .

    Pros put Porter first, supposedly, cause they want to use him as a witness in the other trials.

    the van driver is named Goodson.

    what did porter do, if anything, that caused Gray's death?

    which officers, if any, are the ones who should have put him in seatbelt?

    My guess/prediction is . . .

    If the jury has some whites  . . . then  . . .
    officers who should have put Gray in a seatbelt are convicted of some charges and all others, if any, are acquitted.  

    The only officers who are in danger are the ones who can be shown to have had an obligation to have put Gray in seatbelt . . . and their defense, if any, is that they didn't know or whatever it is they will claim, not very convincingly.

    Although, the defense will also try to claim we don't really know how Gray died . . . but I think, from reports, we can reasonably conclude that if Gray had been in a seatbelt, he would not have died that day.  Defense speculations about the death being intentional or an accident or Gray's own self-desctrutive actions--none of it will matter to the officers who did not put the seatbelts on and who had a directive to do so.

    Is clinton being thoughtless? (none / 0) (#13)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 07:29:47 PM EST
    "Well, at this point, I cannot conceive of any circumstances where I would agree to do that because I think the best way to defeat ISIS is as I've said ... from the air, which we lead, on the the ground, which we enable, empower, train, equip, and in cyberspace where, don't forget, they are a formidable adversary online," Clinton said.

    The main opposition to ISIS is currently the kurds.  The Kurds have been and continue to be attacked by Turkey and they are under-equipped and ill-equipped as is reported by mainstream news media such as cnn and cbs.

    For good or for fill the Kurds have reportedly been torturing ISIS surrendered fighters and have been destroying houses and villages of persons and groups suspected of supporting ISIs.

    Clinton explained that sending U.S. combat troops back to the region would "give ISIS a new recruitment tool."

    we or france would face 30,000 who can barely move and man their own checkpoints  . . .  I personally think that 2000 US or French troops would push ISIS over the edge, because it isn't just us . . .

    2000 troops and give the Kurds some tanks and stop Turkey from attacking them . . . bomb the oil of ISIS and it should be over  . . .

    Oh, the brilliant French attacks a few weeks ago left 200,000 people without water, reportedly . . .  Not sure if that was intentional, but it is foolish.

    The news is that the Iraqi Security Forces have successfully captured a bridge from ISIS. . .

    Iraqi forces cut last IS supply line to Ramadi by retaking bridge!

    Iraqi forces backed by Iranian-trained militias and U.S. air strikes have made significant progress in isolating Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province that the Islamic State overran in May, according to Iraqi officials, local residents and Western military advisers.

    But there's no certainty that that means the city will soon be retaken. . . Iraqi Security reportedly will be waiting till Bertha the Seattle tunnelling machine is working properly and tunnelling, since that would be regarded a good omen . . .

    Oh . . .

    Bertha's restart delayed again; will there be drilling by Christmas?

    Tunnel-boring machine Bertha's restart date will be delayed until Dec. 23, a month beyond the latest projection.

    K . . .

    Oh yes (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 07:53:11 PM EST
    Got the (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 08:03:34 PM EST