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    Electability (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by AnnL on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 06:31:00 PM EST
    It's primarily about hurting Hillary. You know they'd prefer a republican pres. Sadly

    But--I don't think that the preference (none / 0) (#62)
    by christinep on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:18:08 PM EST
    extends to Trump.  For a lot of reasons.  The fact that Trump appears to have won NH by such a large spread with multiple candidates may have an interesting attention-getting response in the press.  What if they have to deal with the reality of letting the no-one-controls-me Trump continue to grow as "leader?" That infamous media may have to make some choices.  For the HRC supporter in terms of the press tactics, the Trump dominance in his new party stirs up lots of things.  (BTW, I'm confident that she wins in any event: but, the growth of Trump ultimately puts the mainstream press in a quandary.)

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    Calling the race (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by AnnL on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:12:58 PM EST
    Apparently AP called for Trump and Bernie. And as an aside the New York Times said as she barely eked out a win in Iowa, she's really a loser. Sheesh when does CDS end?

    It never (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:16:40 PM EST
    does. She'll win by 30 or more in SC and NV and they'll figure out some way to say she really "lost".

    Cheer up. This is probably Bernie's high point until Vermont gets to vote.

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    It ends when she becomes President (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by christinep on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:02:02 PM EST
    The press loves access to power.  What else can I say....

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    I have not seen (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:16:59 PM EST
    The MSNBC news team this happy since Hillary conceded in 2008.

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    I'm wondering (none / 0) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:19:58 PM EST
    what they are going to be saying after a few more states vote.

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    Captain: Did you know (none / 0) (#55)
    by christinep on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:10:59 PM EST
    an interesting tidbit: Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama actually have a common point ... the last 3 Presidents of the US LOST the New Hampshire primary.  

    I will not turn on MSNBC to watch their "analysis" on this one.  No need to hurt my blood pressure.  (I'd only point out: I've been somewhat involved with HRC campaign--not surprising, I know--and, that an earlier call about fundraising et al by western finance director, confirmed my blah feeling about NH results with the advice to continue reading the book I've been reading tonight.  Silver lining, tho (and as you suspect) is coming in the next few weeks ... they sound very, very confident about South Carolina and fairly confident about the caucus state of Nevada.  We just have to endure the doomsday jabs for the next week or so.)

    Thank you, Howdy.

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    Bernie (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:16:54 PM EST
    is in trouble in Nevada because he really ticked off Reid's people there by attacking dreamers.

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    It sort of fun (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:13:09 PM EST
    Actually.

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    I almost (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:15:51 PM EST
    enjoy the "she's doomed" narrative in some ways so she can kick sand in their face later on down the line.

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    Ha ha (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:23:54 PM EST
    funny tweet: NH was one by two people who will never be president.

    Christie provided (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 10:30:19 PM EST
    a self-less service. He unmasked Rubio, but, nothing accrued to him---so long Christie. And, take Rubio with you  I can't help thinking if it was Secretary Clinton who unmasked Rubio in the Christie-aggressive manner, would she be reported as showing her lawyerly skills, or be called shrewish.

    I'm sure (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 05:48:44 PM EST
    Bernie will win NH.

    Really going out ... (none / 0) (#2)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 06:17:11 PM EST
    on a limb there.

    ;)

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    I'm sure (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 06:21:26 PM EST
    :)

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    Bernie (none / 0) (#3)
    by AnnL on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 06:18:15 PM EST
    And then go on to crush Hillary in Nevada and South Carolina! Say Chuckie and assorted pundits on MSNBC!  They can't contain there glee. A bit annoying

    Good luck (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 06:22:36 PM EST
    with that. They must not understand the voters in those states in the least. NH matters zip to them.

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    But seriously (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 06:23:49 PM EST
    do they want to lose the general election to a Republican? I really think that they don't care one bit what happens to people like me in this country.

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    It's MSNBC, doncha know (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 06:55:58 PM EST
    Never met anot anti-Hillary meme they didn't love

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    Makes no difference to them (none / 0) (#12)
    by pitachips on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 06:57:34 PM EST
    Unemployment, student loans, lack of health knsurance, a feeling that your voice does not matter, being shipped off to fight in foreign misadventures...all of these are foreign concepts to media personalities.

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    It would (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:03:36 PM EST
    seem so.

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    Cross talk on MSNBC (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 06:52:00 PM EST
    Todd is like a dog with a bone talking about Hillary losing and how devastating and career ending it is.

    No matter what anyone say he's "but Hillary is losing......"

    What is (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 06:55:10 PM EST
    his problem? NH is just one state just like Iowa. It is Bernie's 2nd most favorable state next to his home state of Vermont. The real test for Bernie are the next two states that are demographically reverse. One of them was screeching it's a Bernie surge and he can get 35% in SC. So all of a sudden losing by 30 points is a good thing? This is how ridiculous all this has gotten.

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    My own reality check (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by christinep on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:26:15 PM EST
    Apart from the Superdelegate numbers, HRC won (I recall) 22 delegates from Iowa and Sanders won 20. There are relatively less delegates at stake from NH ... 32, I believe.  Just guessing: Sanders wins 18, and HRC wins 14.  

    So, with a veritable tie in the two states ... plus about 466 pledged Superdelegates for HRC and 2 Superdelegates for Sanders.  Fascinating infor for the likes of Chuck Todd et al :)

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    Funny (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:28:53 PM EST
    I don't think they have mentioned that

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    Because (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:30:38 PM EST
    they don't read the Cook report that deals with this kind of stuff.

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    Voter turnout (none / 0) (#75)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:33:43 PM EST
    Down 13% this year

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    Rhetorical question I assume (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 06:57:39 PM EST
    2 problems.

    1.). He hates Hillary

    2.). They want a horse race

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    I guess (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:02:45 PM EST
    he's also neglecting to notice the fact that everybody in recent history who has won NH also either lost the nomination or lost the presidential election.

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    it may also (none / 0) (#125)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 11:00:12 PM EST
    Relate to increasing market share of the coveted young demographic. It is hip. See that also with colbert and Larry wilmore, for example.

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    Saying they may (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 06:55:31 PM EST
    Call the races at 8

    ABC just did. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:02:40 PM EST
    Still going to be interesting (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:09:49 PM EST
    To see what the republican also rans do.

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    Now it's (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:10:26 PM EST
    Trump
    Kasich
    Bush
    Cruz

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    So far ... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:11:26 PM EST
    the order is matching my predictions.

    We'll see how it goes the rest of the night.

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    I think you low balled (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:12:44 PM EST
    Donalds margin.  

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    We'll see. (none / 0) (#24)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:14:41 PM EST
    looks (none / 0) (#20)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:11:43 PM EST
    like five of them will continue, good news for Trump.

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    Yep (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:13:32 PM EST
    And very good news for Kasich if he gets the silver

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    Brokered (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:24:22 PM EST
    convention on the way it seems.

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    I don't think so (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:34:35 PM EST
    Looks much closer (none / 0) (#25)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:15:13 PM EST
    So far (12% reporting) - only 6 points.

    If it holds up, that's gotta sting since he was up by 20-25.

    I truly (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:17:22 PM EST
    hope it is close.

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    Judging by the glee (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:18:56 PM EST
    On the tube since they see exit polls I begin to doubt my prediction of single digits.  But maybe.  They only care if he wins.

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    They probably (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:22:58 PM EST
    would have that same glee if she lost by 5 points.

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    Bye, bye ... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:20:31 PM EST
    Mr. Roboto!

    From one Robot to another! (none / 0) (#32)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:21:01 PM EST
    Probably bye bye (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:40:03 PM EST
    Christie and Paul

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    I thought (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:41:15 PM EST
    Paul was already out. I think Fiorina should be out and Carson too.

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    Is he? (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:43:55 PM EST
    Who knew!

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    I am looking for the Fiorina results (none / 0) (#45)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:56:21 PM EST
    Don't count her out! Special place in hell, and all that.

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    4% (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:02:51 PM EST
    Declare a moral victory! (none / 0) (#58)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:14:10 PM EST
    She's breaking 2%. Must be the surge from everyone who watched the video of her lying on a table with wriggling unsuccessfully aborted fetuses. Or whatever that was.

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    Surge of (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:23:21 PM EST
    Former HP employees

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    Ewwww! (none / 0) (#101)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:23:15 PM EST
    Gonna need another gin to erase that image

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    She's suffering form ... (none / 0) (#76)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:35:46 PM EST
    the soft bigotry of low expectations.

    To paraphrase W.

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    You talking about Carly or Jeb (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:37:39 PM EST
    The pro-left must be happy. (none / 0) (#39)
    by AX10 on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:43:32 PM EST
    Berns is a favorite son.  He is getting 70 points plus on the border towns.

    On to Nevada and SC.

    The pro left and the anit left (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:58:36 PM EST
    Politico-


    Clinton allies grapple with crushing loss

    Not going to link but trust me it's all down hill from there.


    Now, after a drubbing so serious as to call into question every aspect of her campaign from her data operation to her message, the wounded front-runner and her allies are actively preparing to retool their campaign, according to Clinton allies.

    Pfffft

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    Pffft (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:08:55 PM EST
    is right. No matter what happens win or lose they can't let go of The Narrative. They find a poll that justifies The Narrative like the Q poll which by the way was way off in IA and declare she's "doomed". She'll be sworn into office and they'll still be declaring "she's doomed".

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    The state border communities are ... (none / 0) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:07:16 PM EST
    ... the locale of several colleges, such as Dartmouth (Hanover, NH). No surprise, really.

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    lol. answering the question of just how old (5.00 / 3) (#95)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:13:25 PM EST
    we have to be to sneer off the youth vote.

    It wasn't that long ago that we were the youth vote.

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    And now, ... (none / 0) (#112)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:42:02 PM EST
    ... we are the people our parents warned us about.

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    Jimmy Buffett is always welcome here (none / 0) (#115)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:46:39 PM EST
    Donald won (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:46:43 PM EST
    Every demo by pretty much the same margin.   Conservative, moderate, republican, independent.  The only demo that was different was no college which he won by 10 points more than the others.

    That's pretty striking.

    "He's the kinda guy that you'd (none / 0) (#97)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:15:14 PM EST
    ... get to open the door for."

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    That basically happens ... (none / 0) (#98)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:15:24 PM EST
    when you win decisively.

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    Looks like (none / 0) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:48:53 PM EST
    what might be old is new again. It might be Bush, Trump and Cruz fighting it out for the nomination since Kasich is unlikely to do well in the next round of states. Rubio is probably done as none of the states are favorable to him.

    So far (none / 0) (#43)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:51:22 PM EST
    Looks like 13 delegates for Bernie. 12 for Hillary according to CNN, even though he'said leading 58-40

    Subject to change as the evening goes on, of course.

    If she gets (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 07:55:49 PM EST
    43.8% of the vote she'll get half the delegates.

    It's still not enough for Bernie though to get the nomination since he needed to get 2/3 out of Iowa and more than that in NH to withstand the coming states where he's likely to be wiped out.

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    Pro Bernie areas are reporting first. (none / 0) (#47)
    by AX10 on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:01:45 PM EST
    A split delegate count will be good.

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    Of course, we won't hear that (none / 0) (#50)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:03:52 PM EST
    She won't. (none / 0) (#114)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:46:10 PM EST
    As of 10:45 p.m. EST, Bernie Sanders has actually enlarged his margin of victory with just a tad less than 60% of the vote.

    No sugar coating this one. It's a rout.

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    Now they are complaining (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:07:08 PM EST
    On MSNBC about people complaining about them shilling for Bernie.

    They have truly lost it.  It's actually funny to watch.    If you were a visiting alien you would think Bernie only needs to be inaugurated .


    They are (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:11:19 PM EST
    shilling for Bernie and have been. Never do they put up those numbers from other states that show him getting killed. If I were Hispanic or African American I would be royally p*ssed about this kind of thing. They act like they don't even matter.

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    Olberman and Schultz are gone (none / 0) (#60)
    by AX10 on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:16:52 PM EST
    and the network is still garbage.

    Bernie is losing the big states by 30 points.

    A left wing Fox is not what we need.

    I occasionally watch CNN or foreign media.

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    CNN (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:19:37 PM EST
    is pretty much just as bad. Occasionally Chris Matthews might say or do something worthwhile but other than that MSNBC is a vast wasteland with Andrea Mitchell being one of the worst. I can't believe anybody even gives Chuck Todd a job.

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    Or dead intern joe scarface. (none / 0) (#65)
    by AX10 on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:20:42 PM EST
    Cabal "News" is a wasteland.

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    I can not watch CNN (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:21:21 PM EST
    I can't.  And I won't watch FOX.  so..........

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    Pretty much (none / 0) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:29:36 PM EST
    they're all bad.

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    But but but (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:20:34 PM EST
    There is that one national poll..........

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    In 2008 they were MSNBO (none / 0) (#77)
    by smott on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:37:21 PM EST
    Now they're MSNBS

    It is what it is. Clinton is loathed to a unique degree.


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    indeed (none / 0) (#127)
    by Kmkmiller on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 03:22:29 AM EST
    it's just hate.

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    Kasich (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:07:43 PM EST
    Called as second.  Very good news for him.

    Right now (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:09:11 PM EST
    It's Trump 34 Kasich 14

    25% in

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    Looks like the big battle ... (none / 0) (#66)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:21:19 PM EST
    is for third.  

    Bush and Cruz neck and neck.  And based on the uncounted areas I cannot tell which way it will go.

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    Go Jeb! (none / 0) (#70)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:26:25 PM EST
    Go, go Jeb!!

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    Jeb's gone (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by fishcamp on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:45:41 PM EST
    he started going at the very beginning.

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    I think he will be in to at least SC (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:48:03 PM EST
    The jibber jabber is "that is BUSH country"

    I don't think it really is but........

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    Cruz seems like more of an SC guy (none / 0) (#87)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:52:35 PM EST
    except for the ethnic-sounding last name, which might be offensive to some people down there.

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    Donald will win SC (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:56:46 PM EST
    I doubt it. (none / 0) (#94)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:09:50 PM EST
    RCP (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:22:42 PM EST
    has three SC polls

    Trump +16
    Trump +19
    Trump +14

    What part of tonight do you think will change that?

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    Final RCP average for NH (none / 0) (#113)
    by CoralGables on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:45:33 PM EST
    had Trump at +17.2

    Trump currently sits at +17.9

    GOP polling was really good in NH. If it's the same good polling in SC it will be a repeat of tonight for Trump. To be fair though, there has been minimal polling in SC thus far (only 3 polls in 2016). The amount of polling there should change very soon.

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    Jeb is right now in fourth. (none / 0) (#81)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:44:54 PM EST
    But if I'm judging the counties right.  It looks he'll pull back into the third before the night's out.

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    If he doesn't he better do well (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:46:32 PM EST
    In SC

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    Congratulations to Sanders and his supporters! (none / 0) (#74)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:32:26 PM EST
    Enjoy your night!

    I'd offer congratulations to Trump too. But I heard he's already in traction from aggressively patting himself on the back.

    Delegate Count (none / 0) (#79)
    by RickyJim on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:38:42 PM EST
    At time of this posting, this page shows out of 32 Democratic delegates, Clinton and Sanders are tied at 13 a piece.  Trump has won 9 Republican delegates out of 23, with his opponents all at 0 so far.  Certainly, especially on the Democratic side, this gives a hugely different picture of the outcome.

    Heard today (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:42:45 PM EST
    That if you get less than 10% your delegates go to the winner.  

    Right now that's Christie, Carley, Carson and Rand.

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    The allocation of delegates ... (none / 0) (#103)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:27:52 PM EST
    ... likely depends upon where the votes for a given candidate are actually cast. New Hampshire Republicans have 23 pledged delegates, which are allocated allocated proportionally by the statewide vote alone.

    But that state's Democrats have 24 pledged delegates, which are allocated to the candidates proportionally by both the district vote and statewide vote. (Bernie Sanders ran up big margins in Manchester and the college towns along the NH-VT state line.)

    So, if delegates are allocated by district, the greater the geographic distribution of a front-running candidate's votes, the more delegates he or she is likely to be awarded. It's happens occasionally in presidential primaries that a candidate will win the overall popular vote in a given state that allocates by district, yet finish second in the delegate count to the runner-up because his or her votes were confined to select areas, such as a large city.

    Aloha.

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    According to the NYTimes (none / 0) (#119)
    by RickyJim on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 10:12:38 PM EST
    there is no difference between how the parties allocate delegates in New Hampshire and it is unclear if Sanders will get more delegates than Clinton.
    Link
    Republican Primary

    23 total delegates
    Twenty delegates are allocated proportionally based on the primary vote. Three will remain unpledged until the national convention.


    Democratic Primary

    32 total delegates
    Twenty-four delegates are allocated proportionally based on the primary vote. Eight will remain unpledged until the national convention.


    Based on the percentages at time of this post, Sanders gets 15 delegates, Clinton 9 while 8 will be uncommitted until the convention.

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    I'm starting to feel (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:45:07 PM EST
    That I know Bernie's tongue personally.

    He's reaching a Nixon level ... (none / 0) (#86)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:51:48 PM EST
    of rambling right now.

    Time to get off the stage.

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    Seriously (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:53:22 PM EST
    The way he is milking this victory speech you would almost think he doesn't expect to get another one.

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    I just....it makes me question my (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:28:23 PM EST
    beliefs when I get them shouted at me with the pointy fingers. But I guess it works on people who are hearing them for the first time.

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    Pffft (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 08:55:19 PM EST
    Brian Williams "it was.......probably ....on the long side"

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    He might (none / 0) (#117)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:50:41 PM EST
    not get to make another one.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:04:26 PM EST
    you're not the only one that said it was really bad.

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    I didn't say his tongue was bad (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:06:18 PM EST
    I just think we need some time apart

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    LOL (none / 0) (#96)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:14:22 PM EST
    Okay. People were talking about how he sounded like he was going to fall over.

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    HRC needs to regroup. (none / 0) (#124)
    by AX10 on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 10:53:59 PM EST
    Make that his last speech.
    It was too long.

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    Listening to Kasich (none / 0) (#100)
    by MKS on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:22:56 PM EST
    If he ever gets to the General Election, he would tough.

    But he will probably be rejected by the GOP for the reasons I like him.

    I agree (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:26:09 PM EST
    And I hope you are right.   And I think you are.   He is just not angry enough.  

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    I think the also rans (none / 0) (#105)
    by MKS on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:29:31 PM EST
    will continue to split the establishment vote, and Donald will get Cruz's votes.....

    Donald, I think gets it.

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    Yep (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:33:00 PM EST
    I posted the SC polls upthread.  I think he wins there and is freight train in the south.

    Not buying the brokered convention krap.  I think that establishment wishful thinking.

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    He used to be incredibly angry (none / 0) (#110)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:40:07 PM EST
    He needs to find him quick (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:41:51 PM EST
    Because as was just said on TV SC is a place where meanness is a political virtue.

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    ... because he appears to be the only adult present in a room full of adolescent boys with raging hormones. At least, were he to somehow be elected president, I could take solace in the likelihood that he wouldn't step on the gas and drive the country off a cliff with all flags flying.

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    Which considering (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:34:37 PM EST
    His actual politics just illustrates how far the Overton Window has been yanked right.

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    He is a fooler. (none / 0) (#121)
    by sallywally on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 10:29:53 PM EST
    I'm from Ohio and he is making major progress getting abortion banned completely in Ohio. Lots of voter suppression stuff from our lovely sec of state. He is keeping things hidden under that apparent moderation and non-radicalism.

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    Kasich had the best speech (none / 0) (#106)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:31:52 PM EST
    He was the only one to understand that speeches such as this need something extra.

    They're not just another version of your stump speech.

    Thanks for the reporting, all. (none / 0) (#116)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:47:21 PM EST
    Could not bear to watch. Sat through a dumb action film, but better than the MSNBC or any other media crowd.  Just tuned in, congratulations to Senator Sanders, only caught the end of his speech. Mrs Clinton says she will be taking stock after NH, probably a good thing, but the coming contests will be different.  Senator Sanders will surely stay on message.  

    Onward (none / 0) (#118)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 09:52:20 PM EST
    and upward.

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    Bill Kristol (none / 0) (#120)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 10:19:06 PM EST
    the man who has been wrong about everything says the general election slate is going to be Sanders Warren and Trump Kasich. I guess Trump and Sanders now officially have the Kristol curse to contend with. LOL.

    The Trump/Kasich (none / 0) (#123)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 10:31:57 PM EST
    ticket has been my guess. But, do not like being in the same thought process as Kristol.

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    Bill Kristol ... (none / 0) (#126)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Feb 09, 2016 at 11:02:35 PM EST
    like a good neocon, is giving us another grand drama to make us feel fulfilled.

    Remember, the neocons claim we citizens need to feel that we're part of a grand drama. And it's not important if that drama is real or not.  We just have to believe its real.

    Only then will we be fulfilled and accept our role in society.


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    I have two plans (none / 0) (#128)
    by Kmkmiller on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 03:28:53 AM EST
    after the msnbc propped up candidate wins..

    1.  bloomberg.

    2.  trump.  cause 4 years or republican incompetence is better imo than 4 years of Dem incompetence.


    cause 4 years of republican incompetence (none / 0) (#129)
    by Kmkmiller on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 03:32:15 AM EST
    will lead to 8 years of dem domination.

    4 years of Dem incompetence will lead to 8 years of republican domination.

    just thinking big picture.

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