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Posted on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 10:05:30 AM EST
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A busy week here in TL land continues. I know you've got a lot to say, from the many comments. Go ahead, take over. I'll be back later this afternoon.

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    Friday Open Thread | 47 comments (47 topical)
    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 10:23:31 AM EST
    Terry Schiavo's life continues. "Angels never die" - Ronald Reagan

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by roy on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 11:11:46 AM EST
    Here's a link to Krauthammer's piece, for when MB's post is removed as a copyright violation.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by desertswine on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 11:17:08 AM EST
    Am I to assume, then, that Bush is accepting responsibility for the asassination of Harriri?

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 11:31:31 AM EST
    Found this last night...a liberal blogger who has something to say about Terri Schiavo. It's a MUST READ!
    My liberal friends, my conservative friends...this is not about any other person, it is not about politics, it is not about ideology. It is about Terri and her right to NOT be executed.
    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by nolo on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 11:32:50 AM EST
    "It's true that every time you hear a bell, an angel gets its wings. But what they don't tell you is that every time you hear a mouse trap snap, an Angel gets set on fire." -- Jack Handey

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 12:06:42 PM EST
    The Libanese apparently have learned from the Iraqis that you don't *have* to put up with foreign occupators. So in a way I guess Bush can claim some credit.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by roger on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 12:17:56 PM EST
    does anyone else hate the new layout as much as I do? I used to be able to view the entire page. Now, I have to scroll back and forth repeatedly. Hardly worth it!

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 12:18:02 PM EST
    Well mb, i hope you are right, but remember two world war's and it cost 0ne million Americans to die for the fools in europe, how much time will it take in the middle east god only knows, its way to soon to tell anything about the back water part of the world. and as far as constitutional government is in are world, can we really say we are a free world or a free nation? the fact is many people here in our own little nation\empire are homeless insane and many are poor as can be, and let us not forget our prisons! we have a drug dealing government and a mind dead one at that. this new war on terror is looking more like the war on drugs and if i am right and i hope i am not, within 6 to 9 months we will be at war with china; and that will end any hope of a world of peace, so dream on my friend and hope for the best, but remember what the Greeks said about hope( HOPE IS EVIL) and remember the Greeks(Homeric\hellenic) and Rome Empire did its best in the middle east For 1500 years and look at it now. yes my son dream the good dream of children and live in fantasy. oh yes you do understand what the spanish civil war(1936) was all about right? and the war of 1898 and world war one? and world war two right?

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 12:20:29 PM EST
    Questions about the Charles Krauthammer screed:
    Those who claimed, with great certainty, that Arabs are an exception to the human tendency toward freedom, that they live in a stunted and distorted culture that makes them love their chains ... have been proved wrong.
    Who on the left made this claim?

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 12:27:43 PM EST
    When Barry Goldwater was soundly defeated by LBJ, the conventional wisdom was that conservatism was dead. Evidently the masses were wrong with that proclamation. So Ann Coulter's statement "It's all over for the left but the screaming." has about as much chance of being true long term as did the death of conservatism statements in 1964. The pendulum swings back from it's extremes. Culturally the right has already lost the battle, there will be conservative sons and daughters who will play hide the sausage together before matrimony, some will be gay, others will act like brazen whores (the Bush twins)and still some will have abortions before they tell there mothers and fathers that we're pregnant. Even Ann Coulter will feed the seedy elements of the populace with reports of Scott Peterson or Michael Jackson in here liberal minded interpretation of news.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 12:48:24 PM EST
    Those who claimed, with great certainty, that Arabs are an exception to the human tendency toward freedom, that they live in a stunted and distorted culture that makes them love their chains ... have been proved wrong. I've heard this many times, as to who actually said it, I don't know. It was one of the left wing's defenses as to why we shouldn't be jamming democracry down the Arabs' throat. It was this notion that not everyone yeans or wants democracy (easy for those who have it to say of course). I, for one, do not attribute the recent right wing political success to cultural issues at all (I know there was a poll that said otherwise). I think those people's agenda gets a free ride on the backs of those pushing the right wing defense policy agenda (clearly the most important issue in today's society). I know a lot of people who voted for Bush (including myself) for instance, and none of us is pro-life or wants the 10 commandments on the steps of the court house, etc....

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 12:51:49 PM EST
    Living wills are great, my wife and family do not have a right to go against my wishes if tragedy strikes me into a vegetative state. Schiavos should have had a living will, it stinks that they are fighting over what ostensibly should have been her decision. I take no sides in the issue as i have a friend in vegetative state whose parents are just happy to still have him (no living will) and a wife who agrees with me regarding either tragedy happening to either one of us. If her parents or my parents did not agree I would hope that it would not go to the courts. If they had an agreement about worst case scenarios then i support the husband, problem is they did not and I feel for the family. I don't believe in angels but I do feel that it is ridiculous to call her one.......

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 12:55:10 PM EST
    "Its all over for the Left but the screaming" - Ann Coulter Noname coward demonstrates this nicely, while gleefully hoping that abortions w/out parental consent will "convert" the next generation to Liberalism. How disgustingly... Evil.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by txpublicdefender on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 01:06:31 PM EST
    A trial court, after a lengthy evidentiary hearing, ruled that it was proven by clear and convincing evidence that Teri would not have wanted to be kept alive. I'm sick of people acting like they are "fighting for Teri" when a court that heard all the evidence ruled that Teri wanted to die. The fact that the US Congress actually issued a subpoena for her is disgusting. What kind of conservative believes that the federal government should be able to tell you what medical decisions you can make for yourself? At least 11 very well respected neurologists have examined her and said she is in a persistent vegetative state that she will never come out of, and that none of her movements and sounds are actual voluntary, responsive movements. But Tom DeLay says he knows better than them because he's seen her on videotape. This is ridiculous. And the idea that there could be some medical advance in the future that might help her recover is irrelevant, too. I could be diagnosed with terminal cancer tomorrow and make the decision to live the last months or years of my life free of chemotherapy, surgery, and radiation. Of course, those treatments may help me to live longer; maybe even long enough for a cure for my cancer to be developed. That doesn't mean I wouldn't have the choice right now to decide to forgo those treatments and die naturally. If all Michael Schiavo cared about was money or being able to marry some other woman, he would have divorced Teri, taken the money, and moved on. But instead, he has fought and fought and fought to fulfill her wish that she expressed not to be kept alive by artificial means. Peggy Noonan says this makes him a weirdo. I say it proves that he is doing what he is doing because it is what she would have wanted. It's time for Teri's wishes to be carried out.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 01:12:57 PM EST
    Thanks txpublic. I read something to that end previously and perhaps i am not as informed as i should be....

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 01:14:56 PM EST
    We do not yet know whether the Middle East today is Europe 1989 or Europe 1848.
    We do not yet know, however, whether this initial flourishing of democracy will succeed.
    ...a democratic revolution by militarily deposing their oppressors was a fantasy -- have been proved wrong.
    wait a minute, seems to be a whole lot of things we don't know, either you want to say that democracy is sweeping the ME or it's not, cut the double speak.
    ...of Israel -- an outpost of Western democracy and, even worse, a staunch U.S. ally.
    LMAO, how many troops has israel supplied to the coalition of the willing? how much assistance to they receive, @ $4b+ a year? fantasyland stuff this is. Post that to the freeper sites they'll buy it, there like mikey in that regard, they'll buy anything bushCo peddles. txpublicdefender at March 18, 2005 02:06 PM well pointed!

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#18)
    by nolo on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 01:16:58 PM EST
    "To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And, at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between, plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing." This is truth, to me." -- Jack Handey Or maybe Ann Coulter. Hard to tell.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 01:18:20 PM EST
    I've heard this many times, as to who actually said it, I don't know. It was one of the left wing's defenses as to why we shouldn't be jamming democracry down the Arabs' throat.
    The reason I asked for a cite is because I'm a liberal who talks with lots of liberals and never once have I heard anyone say anything remotely like this. Maybe you've heard it, but I'd like to know who on the left said it. Sounds mighty rightie to me. Suggestion for triumphalist righties: Take a gander at some soldiers' photos from Iraq, then come back and thump your chest some more. The more hollow yours is, the more noise it will make.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#20)
    by nolo on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 01:49:00 PM EST
    I've heard this many times, as to who actually said it, I don't know. It was one of the left wing's defenses as to why we shouldn't be jamming democracry down the Arabs' throat.
    Actually, it was Krauthammer himself who was saying crap like that.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 02:01:20 PM EST
    I feel badly for Terry Schiavo's parents -- that they have chosen to abuse their daughter like this. All the evidence is that her cerebral cortex has turned into liquid, her skeleton has become rubberized, and there is no hope for anything better to happen, just to get worse, even with her involuntary breathing. Show the entire clip of her supposed following of the balloon: the segment constantly shown on the news of her eyes "following" the balloon is one second of pure happenstance. As is her involuntary nerve-twitch smile. Poor Terry lives in a nation where some people will pray for her to go on "living" in this way, and where politicians and certain "clergy" will use her plight for their own purposes. Can you imagine bringing her to a Congressional hearing room? What a farce! Republicans are using this poor soul as cover: force Democrats to support her legal guardian, the court which heard all the evidence, and her slipping away in peace to the next world; and then use that as a diversion from efforts to loot social security and gut Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs that help living people and affirm life. Everyone needs a living will, so that the American Taliban and their Republican toadies will let us lead the lives that we want to lead and allow our lives to end as we want. Although I can see it coming....legislation to ban living wills from the Talibanicans!

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#22)
    by Kitt on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 02:11:56 PM EST
    I'll go back and read the comments a bit later. (I'm at work...you know, uh - working). I caught just a few minutes of CNN's Crossfire & there was some discussion about the Schiavo case. One of the things that struck me while Jay Sekelow was trying to overtalk everyone is what the wishes of Terry Schiavo herself. One thing it surely demonstrates is the necessity of having a "living will" drawn up so your wishes regarding your life are honored when or if you become severely incapacitated.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#23)
    by soccerdad on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 02:19:04 PM EST
    of course the gasbags running around saying democracy is rising up everwhere have their collective heads so far up this regime's anus that the reality and details are left for other people to deal with. Lets take one case, Lebanon. We have had pro and anti Syrian demonstrations. The pro Syrian element is Hizbullah whi is a terrorist organization accourind to the admin. Well who's on the other side: the minority Christians and Druze. Well they want democracy don't they?
    The anti-Syrian protests, dominated by the Christian and Druze minorities, are not in fact calling for a genuine democracy at all, but for elections under the long-established corrupt confessional carve-up, which gives the traditionally privileged Christians half the seats in parliament and means no Muslim can ever be president. As if to emphasise the point, one politician championing the anti-Syrian protests, Pierre Gemayel of the rightwing Christian Phalange party (whose militiamen famously massacred 2,000 Palestinian refugees under Israeli floodlights in Sabra and Shatila in 1982), recently complained that voting wasn't just a matter of majorities, but of the "quality" of the voters. If there were a real democratic election, Gemayel and his friends could expect to be swept aside by a Hizbullah-led government.
    Link Of course Bush doesn't care about democracy, what he would really like is another client state bur would settle for a government of any form that is prowest, whether or not its deomocratic or a dictatorship. Now a quiz for the wingnuts. What was the last truly democratically elected Arab government in the ME and what happened to it? hint-1953 Again Bush's aversion to democratically elected governments that won't kiss the a** of the US is clearly demonstrated by his actions/threats towards Chavez

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 03:07:17 PM EST
    "Today's conservatism is becoming yesterday's liberalism."-Andrew Sullivan
    Everything old is new again, its cyclical. As for Schiavo, I pray that she soons find the peace that she deserves.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 03:38:58 PM EST
    I pray that she soons find the peace that she deserves.
    quite true, time for terry to move on to the next phase. the hypocrisy of the wingnuts knows no bounds.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#26)
    by Patrick on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 03:58:47 PM EST
    Live or die for Ms Shaivo.. No matter where you stand on that, my concern and I haven't read it here, is why starvation? If she has the right to die, then make it painless and peaceful, we have that ability. Dying of starvation seems like cruel and unusal punishment. What would the anti-death penalty people say if we chose starvation as the method to carry out the sentence. That this is how she is condemned to die, makes me sad.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 04:50:32 PM EST
    JLV, tx...well said. I agree it shows the importance of a living will. It sickens me this ended up in court and congress. I feel for the husband and the parents, I guess it boils down to who should make the decision. It's not an easy call. To politicize it for some agenda is sickening as well, for shame.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#28)
    by Linkmeister on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 04:58:16 PM EST
    Regarding the "Arabs too dumb to embrace democracy" claim (obviously I'm paraphrasing), Atrios has the goods on that one. For those who don't want to click, one of those who espoused that nitwit idea was...Krauthammer himself.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#29)
    by Patrick on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 05:03:22 PM EST
    Cousins denied marriage license. Who said this wouldn't happen?

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#30)
    by pigwiggle on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 05:32:48 PM EST
    "Who said this wouldn't happen? " Not me P, I say give it to them.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#31)
    by soccerdad on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 06:08:18 PM EST
    ACE still has nothing.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 06:44:49 PM EST
    What's left for the Left Wing? Shame, and plenty of it.... (the Hammer nails it again) {it's really short, so I did cut and paste it). What's Left? Shame. By Charles Krauthammer Friday, March 18, 2005; Page A23 [text deleted, it was not short by any stretch. This space is for comments, not reprinting articles or works of others.]

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#32)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 07:19:27 PM EST
    Mark and Ace were secretly married by MB at Star Trek Adventures in Vegas last week. I've got the soundtrack from A Clockwork Orange playing. Quite fitting for those three. Like a chorus line of Jesuses.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#33)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 07:40:24 PM EST
    Yeah, so we've noticed.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 08:05:04 PM EST
    Good work Ace, proved yourself right once again thanks to Ann Coulter.. How are things on planet wingnut? IM not impressed

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#35)
    by Richard Aubrey on Fri Mar 18, 2005 at 09:01:41 PM EST
    WRT Jessica and Couey: Apparently this guy had numerous offenses. One report said twenty, but I wasn't clear on whether it was arrests, convictions or complaints. How about entertaining a law that says when you're up to, say, five convictions for sex crimes, you stay in jail. We don't want six, or twenty. One commenter said we put warning labels on cigarettes, booze, and, for all I know, McDonald's fries. Why exempt multi-offense sex offenders? How about a tatoo on the forehead? I know the bit about having served his sentence and so forth, but that's because the law prescribes the sentence. If we add to the law the tattoo on the forehead, then there shouldn't be any problem, right? Would it ruin his life? Probably. Same as being in jail for life would be unpleasant. Is there any problem with ruining the life of a habitual sex offender if the vehicle of that ruin was a permanent, obvious and public notice of what he is? It would then be up to parents to make an informed decision about how and when their children should be in this guy's presence or control. You have a problem with informed choices? Remember, once the law is changed, it would be legal. No twisting law and involuntary institutionalization regs to fake up a life sentence. No arguments about whether or not he's a continuing danger. Just a law. What do you think? Five convictions? Ten? Now, if you want to reproach me for calling for retribution, go ahead. It would be a transparent tactic designed to obscure the fact that I'm calling for clarification of status in a way that protects children. If the result is that the perp has a hard time, get back to me later. Much later. Also, please provide a thousand well-thought-out words on why I should not enjoy the prospect of retribution in these cases.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#36)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 01:00:19 AM EST
    RA, He should have been in a hospital for the menatlly ill, because that is his problem. He is mentally ill. He should have been under a doctor's care. In a controlled environment. But no one cares about these people until they do something horrible. Then we kill them. Great system.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#37)
    by Richard Aubrey on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 06:31:47 AM EST
    Che. He should have been someplace, but you are wrong about not caring. We care so much about these people that we gutted the laws about involuntary institutionalization beginning in the mid-Seventies. They are free. Free to be, as somebody said, their potty little selves. To be fair, the thought was that community-based resources would be available, but those proved too easy to cut, too. Plus, the idea didn't occur to the powers that be that somebody who was crazy might not be sane enough to take his meds. Ya think? One moron, a psychiatrist, summed up the lefty thinking of the time by saying that schizophrenia was a lifestyle choice and who are we to judge and so forth. And this was at a time when the actual chemical imbalance and resulting help from meds (still not completely effective) in schizophrenia was no secret. But, anyway, we care about these people. It's the rest of us the left doesn't give a bleep about. The opponents of Megan's Law simply say we should keep a closer eye on our kids. How much closer Jessica's grandparents and father could have done is a question.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#38)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 08:27:18 AM EST
    Patrick at March 18, 2005 04:58 PM
    Richard Aubrey at March 18, 2005 10:01 PM
    Richard Aubrey at March 19, 2005 07:31 AM
    go back to your hardRight wingnut comments and stop making sense. there are no absolutes, no perfection, everything has a down side, and there are no winners.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#39)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 08:29:46 AM EST
    RA, One moron, a psychiatrist, summed up the lefty thinking ... Could you provide a link in which the left is letting a shrink delineate an agenda? WTF is in YOUR koolaid? How many courts that let this man out were "LEFTY" courts? Your left-wing-boogeyman approach is divisive at a time when we should be analyzing and finding solutions as a community. But that's difficult when idiots like you and your fellatious ramora Ace are only into blaming your "enemies".

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#40)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 08:33:56 AM EST
    We care so much about these people that we gutted the laws about involuntary institutionalization beginning in the mid-Seventies. They are free. Free to be, as somebody said, their potty little selves. It was the great communicator, Ronald Reagan, who was reponsible for flooding the streets with the mentally ill in CA.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#41)
    by Richard Aubrey on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 10:28:06 AM EST
    Lefties influenced the laws. After a horrifying flick called, IIRC, Titticutt Follies, there was a movement to shut down mental institutions. Surely you don't think conservatives were the ones being non-judgmental about lifestyle choices. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest was a biggy at the time, too, making institutionalization look to be an unredeemed Bad Thing. This pressure flowed to the lawmaking process and the sentencing process. It influenced how people voted which influenced which judges got benched--so to speak--and seemed a perfect fit with the desire to reduce spending. To be fair, again, the efficacy of some psychotropic drugs was overestimated, a different issue from getting people to actually take them. I have an acquaintance who has nearly ruined the family business because he quit taking his meds for manic-depressive. He got tired, he said, of feeling as if his mind were in a glove. He does not need to be institionalized, but it does indicate that meds for minds is more complicated than meds for colds. Anyway, this whole thing was begun by some lefties--some well-meaning in their terms--and is maintained by lefty denial and excuses and obfuscation. Look at the discussions of ways to keep serial sexual offenders locked up. Lefties don't like it because, if they're lefty attorneys they are concerned that it subverts the sentencing (which is the point), but they don't want to change the law either. Look at the left's view of Megan's Law. When I was in college, about forty years ago, there were explicit arguments that us straight whites, if victimized by some clown, ought to shut up, since the aforesaid clown could usually be put into some accredited victims' group and so he was entitled and we (being members of the oppressing class) deserved what we got. I see some of the same thing today, but implicit. Whatever the combination of reasons, sensibly addressing this issue is going to run into what seems to be reflexive resistance from the left. Actually, it has. See the resistance to Megan's Law, and the actions taken against sexual predator lists available to the public. I showed a colleague how to use ours and he looked up his town. He nearly flipped when he found that one perp's wife had babysat for his kids. Some lefties think we should not be able to know this stuff. Get real and you might have some allies, if you want them, which is doubtful.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#42)
    by soccerdad on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 12:21:11 PM EST
    RA and his strawman "lefty". Blame it all on the left. It is true that many on the"left" as well as the middle thought that having more community services would enable more of those in institutions to be released. It was also influenced by the wider acceptance of and better varieties of meds for various mental conditions. Once started many state govenors including reagan saw this as a way of saving money and essentially released almost everyone. To blame subsequent problems on the left is ludicrous at best. One only has to look at this years budget proposal to see how the right feels about the less advantaged. Have to keep the subsidies to be big corporate farmers in but cut food stamps. If you think I'm wrong RA, I'd be glad to read some references to back up your claims. But you and ace don't do links/references you just rail on about the left like the couple of gas bags you are.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#43)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 01:41:32 PM EST
    Ace - Quoting a hysterical hack like Coulter as if she were the Oracle at Delphi is laughable at best. You and Ann need to take a look around at the predominate world-wide attitude about you and hers favorite regime, and tell us "the left is dead" - then bury your head and whatever talk-radio station your tuned to, back in the sand.

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#44)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 03:35:10 PM EST
    Are you educable? yes, always. Are you?

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#45)
    by Richard Aubrey on Sat Mar 19, 2005 at 08:17:28 PM EST
    Soc. Who opposes Megan's Law? Left or right? Who opposes involuntary institutionalization, left or right?

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#46)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Mar 20, 2005 at 06:27:02 AM EST
    Ace - Quoting A hypocrite demagog like Ann Coulter is the height of arrogance, tells a lot about you though. Who's calm and who´s screaming? Loudmouth Ann Coulter

    Re: Friday Open Thread (none / 0) (#47)
    by jondee on Sun Mar 20, 2005 at 12:32:49 PM EST
    R.A - Oh ye of limited scope. Libertarians on the right support both,but stick with the left/right,black/white,good/evil scenario - wouldnt want your head to explode from the cognitive dissonance.

    Friday Open Thread | 47 comments (47 topical)