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ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars

Robin Williams....censored tonight at the Oscars. ABC has refused to let him sing a cartoon ditty that made fun of Rev. James Dobson and his SpongeBob SquarePants criticism. Then it refused his proposed changes. [link corrected]Here's what happened:

Overnight, Mr. Shaiman and his partner, Scott Wittman, dashed off a mock exposé of the dark underbelly of cartoonland for Mr. Williams to deliver, over a gospel-music groove, as if he were a full-throated preacher inveighing against other newly-discovered sinners in the nation's midst:

"Pinocchio's had his nose done! Sleeping Beauty is popping pills!/ The Three Little Pigs ain't kosher! Betty Boop works Beverly Hills!"

The producer of the Oscars telecast, Gil Cates, urged Mr. Shaiman to make the bit "less political," Mr. Shaiman said, so he quickly removed any reference to Mr. Dobson's protests - and turned Mr. Williams into a fabulous, lisping character dishing up the latest juicy gossip:

"Fred Flintstone is dyslexic, Jessica Rabbit is really a man, Olive Oyl is really anorexic, and Casper is in the Ku Klux Klan!"

ABC wanted 11 of 36 lines changed, on a variety of grounds:

Some lines were opposed for "sexual tone," [including] "Chip 'n Dale are both strippers," "Bugs Bunny's a sexaholic," and "Josie and the Pussycats dance on laps."

In the end, however, the sexual references would have been allowed, a network spokesman said. But they held the line on material that they believed might be seen as glorifying drug use or offending Native Americans or disabled people.

Among other lines, they included "The Road Runner's hooked on speed" and "Pocahontas is addicted to craps."

Robin Williams seems to be taking it in stride:

Mr. Williams, interviewed at the Independent Spirit Awards on Saturday, said he was disappointed. "For a while you get mad, then you get over it," he said. "They're afraid of saying Olive Oyl is anorexic. It tells you about the state of humor. It's strange to think: how afraid are you?"

He added: "We thought that they got the irony of it. I guess not."

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    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 02:47:39 PM EST
    How sad to admit that are freedoms are no longer valid. Our very words are parsed to nothingness and we stand for bland, limp, nonsense.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#2)
    by Kitt on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 02:47:53 PM EST
    Maybe they all saw him on 'Real Time' with Bill Maher last week. Robin was like on some super-generated speed. I'm not one easily irritated (just ask Jim), but he was getting on my nerves - he wouldn't shut up and kept it up into the rolling of the credits. Nah....I don't think anyone is worried about Williams tangenting. Besides, it's not like any of it's true or anything. On top of all that they're just made up pretend characters.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#3)
    by Adept Havelock on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 02:59:58 PM EST
    Sad...just sad. How dare someone make fun of someone who accused a cartoon character of beign used to support (gasp) the gay agenda! And the Christian Taliban score another small victory.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#4)
    by ras on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 03:03:42 PM EST
    Perhaps they could just limit him to 4 lines/day if he disagrees with them? That's not censorship ... is it? :)

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 03:04:25 PM EST
    Naaaah IT'S THE OSCARS Tinsel Town! Lets not take everything to much to heart!

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 03:08:37 PM EST
    Perhaps they were overcome by a sudden sense of good taste...

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 03:23:04 PM EST
    What? Do people really listen to those songs at all?

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#8)
    by scarshapedstar on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 03:23:38 PM EST
    Meanwhile, Doctor applauds Dobson in his tastefully neverending quest to out cartoon characters.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 03:33:09 PM EST
    Don't you have a book burning to be at, Ace? Oh, I get it. Only Entertainment laced with right wing commentary survives the final edit.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 03:48:42 PM EST
    [deleted, over limit for today.]

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 05:08:02 PM EST
    So how long before Robin Williams is arrested? maybe Bush is mad at him? what's that about freedom?

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#12)
    by Sailor on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 07:43:15 PM EST
    When something like that happens Williams et al should walk and convince other artists to boycott. The Academy needs them a lot more than they need the Academy.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 09:56:38 PM EST
    Ok, I shouldn't have to explain this to TL - but it's not censorship. Why? Because ABC is not part of any government, state or local. As a private organization, they are under no obligation to provide anyone with a soapbox. Anyone who agrees to appear on ABC (or any other network) will simply have to agree with any restrictions ABC decides to extend. Say, if ABC is censoring Williams, then your "troll" policy is censorship as well TL. I notice that you deleted at least one comment by Doctor Ace. If it's censorship when ABC (a private entity) does it, what is it when TL (a private entity) does it?

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 27, 2005 at 10:37:35 PM EST
    TalkLeft does censor commenters, no question. But TalkLeft is not ruled by the FCC and is not a publicly held company. Would you say ABC as an employer doesn't have to comply with non-discrimination laws or the American Disablilties Act?

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 06:37:39 AM EST
    ABC is losing it. They must be the only ones who DON'T think Dobson is retarded. Too bad, it would have been a good bit.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 07:25:58 AM EST
    The fact that ABC has to follow inane FCC rules is exactly why they objected to Williams proposed bit. I'd be a lot happier if the FCC butted out and let tv and radio air whatever they felt like airing, letting the market sort it out. TL implied that the censorship came directly from the government (it didn't). As well, those of you who actually favor free speech should examine what your pals McCain and Feingold have planned for round two of "reform" - they aren't happy with the way information flowed freely through the internet during the last election cycle. You may well see actual censorship come to the net - you saw it come to TV, radio, and print last time around via McCain/Feingold. The ironic thing is, TL and the left in general fusses incessantly about the suppression of indecency - while actual political speech is getting censored during election cycles. I'd say that TL's priorities on this are seriously out of alignment. Go ahead, worry about this. Just don't be surprised when McCain and Feingold (and their allies) suppress political speech on the net next time around because you were too busy worrying about trivia.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#17)
    by roy on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 09:14:02 AM EST
    But TalkLeft is not ruled by the FCC and is not a publicly held company. Would you say ABC as an employer doesn't have to comply with non-discrimination laws or the American Disablilties Act?
    Exactly which FCC or SEC regulation is involved?

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 01:10:24 PM EST
    Don't you think it's a double standard when you cheer on Robin Williams and his right for free speech yet lampoon and ridicule those (like Doctor Ace) who also exercise their freedom of speech? Is it only when you agree with them that it is ok? You may have beliefs that I don't agree with, yet I don't call you idiots! What would the reaction have been if Robin Williams was going to sing a song lampooning someone who comes out against Christian or republican values? Hollywood would have gone crazy! Actually, this is a ridiculous thought, because Hollywood rarely represents anything that comes close to Republican or Christian. (and they act like they represent the majority) Yet, let's just think about all those states that voted for Bush. There must be a lot of us humorless, idiots out there.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#20)
    by pigwiggle on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 01:30:57 PM EST
    “TalkLeft does censor commenters, no question. But TalkLeft is not ruled by the FCC and is not a publicly held company. Would you say ABC as an employer doesn't have to comply with non-discrimination laws or the American Disablilties Act?” I wonder if TL is subject to the ADA. In my novice reading of the ADA, TL could be construed as a Title III entity; privately owned, open to the public places of assembly for entertainment. Perhaps you should register as a non-profit now, or call this guy.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 01:41:29 PM EST
    The problem for me with religios righters, is that they break their own commandments. The first commandment is "Though shall have no other God before me". The religious right do not follow God, because they've turned people like Dobson, Robertson, and Falwell into their Gods, the golden calfs they worship.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 01:44:33 PM EST
    There must be a lot of us humorless, idiots out there. - That's not something I would brag about katrina. (and they act like they represent the majority) Yet, let's just think about all those states that voted for Bush. - Haven't we learned anything from history? Just because a "majority" is for someone or something doesn't mean they're correct in doing so. At one time, the "majority" thought slavery was OK, women shouldn't be allowed to vote, people of different races shouldn't marry, etc., etc. etc. I don't know whose freedom Bush thinks he's "fighting" for, but it definitely isn't mine. He's trying to take my freedoms away. Let's forget about trying to bring freedom (aka: war) to other countries, and start concentrating on true freedom in the U.S. Don't get me started...

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 02:04:49 PM EST
    I completely agree with you, ricky1756, as far as people putting others in front of God. You are absolutely right. But just because we agree with someone who is outspoken and is in a position to speak on our behalf does not mean we put them above God. (Although I know there are some that do it, it is not fair to lump the entire religious right together.) "RBLTR" I just want to say that I think you're right that we should learn from past mistakes and many times the majority has been incorrect. And I don't agree with everything republicans say or even the religious right. God and Truth are my standards and I care about what God's word tells me not others. BTW - I find it interesting that no one has responded to my first paragraph.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#24)
    by Kitt on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 02:33:47 PM EST
    I never said I didn't think Robin Williams is funny or shouldn't do his song. I was making an observation after watching him on 'Real Time' with Bill Maher where he continuinally interrupted the flow of the conversation with his bullsh*t chatter, even while Bill was doing New Rules and into the rolling of the credits. And for the record, I'm from the SDS Weathermen generation. My politics are pretty much tied to the Greens and my religious beliefs regarding social justice. Which just goes to show you, Ricky #s, you don't know what you're talking about if you think Ace and I are similar politically.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#25)
    by pigwiggle on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 02:39:59 PM EST
    “- Haven't we learned anything from history? Just because a "majority" is for someone or something doesn't mean they're correct in doing so.” A funny thought coming from the left(?). I wonder if the ‘progressives’ have learned a lesson from the current state and will move to decentralize power when next given the opportunity; dismantle the leviathan they built over the past 70 years, most recently with the help of the Republicans. My guess, no. I imagine when next the Democrats are in power they will have forgotten the past rally of states rights and enumerated powers and promptly start using those powers they most opposed while in the minority.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 06:42:14 PM EST
    Katrina, if I may, I would like to respond to your first paragraph: not only is it intelligent, well written and politically astute, it represents good taste as well.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#27)
    by demohypocrates on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 07:42:23 PM EST
    Censorship is the greatest evil we face. It is a threat to our very democracy. It is akin to Nazi book burning. It is ok to do to Ann Coulter.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 07:48:59 PM EST
    Kitt and Doctor Ace don't think Robin Williams should be allowed to do his song, because they don't think he's funny(like republicans are known for their humor).I don't think Kitt and Doctor Ace should be allowed to post because [insult deleted]

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#28)
    by Adept Havelock on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 07:53:26 PM EST
    Demo- Hardly. Ann Coulter and her ilk should never be censored. I get so many rich and hearty laughs from them and their ravings.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 09:15:33 AM EST
    And as we all know, Havelock, it's that element of truth that makes it funny.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 10:50:36 AM EST
    Like the 'truth' when she asserted that Canadian troops fought in Vietnam?

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#31)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 02:01:41 PM EST
    Katrina, I will comment on your first paragraph as well - lampoon and ridicule are time honored elements of political debate - take your local editorial page ofr example. Dr. Ace may have been made fun of but he was allowed to speak his mind. Mr. Williams apparently was not - that is censorship - as it would be for me to edit Dr. Ace's comments because I don't agree with him.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 03:11:57 PM EST
    I find myself frustrated by one thing I have noticed in this comment section. No-one is actually mentioning that Robin Williams has made a career by taking the time to make things that normally annoy and scare people into things people can laugh at. Why should SpongeBob, or Scooby Doo, or Betty Boop be left out?

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 03:31:51 PM EST
    Fascism: An extreme form of nationalism that plays on fears of communism and rejects individual freedom, liberal individualism, democracy, and limitations on the state. OR: Any political or social ideology which relies on a combination of psuedo-religious attitudes and the brutal use of force for getting and keeping power. This sounds like what America is becoming under this administration. Many of us already see our rights going right down the drain. This is a sad time for America.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 12:14:35 AM EST
    It's really simple. If you don't like it, don't watch it. I certainly didn't, and I enjoy Robin Williams. I seek out comedy because God knows, with this administration and its lunacy we have to live with on a daily basis, I sure need SOMETHING to laugh about. Kat, Doc, and you other 'right wingers' live your own lives. Quit trying to decide what is appropriate for me to view. I have a remote...and I can decide for myself. *clicking remote @ Bush & Co.* *sigh* It's not working on him...

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#35)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 01:27:19 AM EST
    It is too bad that we as a nation have become so afraid of the "Religious Right" that we can't say what we really want to say. I am so tired of this whole "Politically Correct" non-sense.....

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 07:53:45 AM EST
    ConFuegoBaby - I don't remember telling you what was appropriate for you to view. As a matter of fact I believe I was pretty fair and agreed with a couple of points that were made. Many of the people have given their opinions on this site and I didn't feel like they were telling me what was appropriate they were giving their opinion - just as I was. I'm sorry you took it so personally. I am willing to admit when someone has a good point and not disagree just because it is a liberal view. The impression I get is that if you speak as a member of the "religous right" you are immediately written off as an idiot and liberals are not willing to admit when the "right" is right.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 08:38:47 AM EST
    I just had to comment after reluctantly reading here - ALL OF YOU GET A LIFE!!

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#38)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 10:14:42 AM EST
    I do not really consider myself Republican or Democrat, and grew up with no specific religious influences...having said that; I will say that with a few exceptions, my views on most major issues fall toward the left of center. Why? Because my assessments are based almost entirely on logic and reason, not broad politics or religion. There are some right wing views that I often tend to agree with, such as immigration laws and capital punishment. I agree with them because of the logic and reasoning behind them, not because the teachings of a god, or the God, supposedly said so. When someone comes across, or proudly displays themselves as 'religious-right' or 'liberal left' in a political setting or discussion, it's difficult to reach anyone other than their own kind. Religion is the basis for most right-wing conservative viewpoints, which tends to make it easier for others to instantly quantify and dismiss their views...much like the 'right' does when they hear someone is from the 'liberal left'. If your opinions/viewpoints are based in reason and logic, there's no need to label yourself to begin with.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#39)
    by Bill on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 11:47:20 AM EST
    first do people really find robin williams funny? i just fell embarsed for him.a grown man thatwants to play kid or cartoon chatcer wants people to take him serously. but those of you that do if he did to gays or other minorities what he trys to do to that preacher guy isure bet you would be screaming out the other side of your mouth.i guess its like grandpa said it depends on whose ox is geating gored.as long as it ant yours right?

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#40)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 01:15:05 PM EST
    I'm 'embarsed' for bill

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 01:33:06 PM EST
    Bill, you should be ashamed of yourself. Before posting any further statements, you should seriously examine your grammar, spelling, etc. Scary.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#42)
    by Jack on Wed Mar 02, 2005 at 05:23:32 PM EST
    I wish that the ultra religous right would do one thing. Instead of trying to be like god (and failing miserably), that they would live in a way that god would approve of. If they did that, maybe there would be a whole lot more tolerance in the world and a lot less need for censorship.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#43)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 03, 2005 at 12:05:54 AM EST
    a great manonce said " it's not that my liberal counter-part know so much, it just seems they know so much that is not so" any leberal out there wanna tell me wuho said it?????? ex-patrioted yank, living in australia.

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#44)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 03, 2005 at 12:54:54 AM EST
    What fascinating reading..... It started as a critique of Robin Williams who quite often puts his mouth in gear before turning on his brain (albeit, very entertaining). It then morphed into a sort of mudslinging affair between Libs and Neocons and finally ended with a somewhat reasonable comment by whoever posted the 'logic and reason' comments. Ain't it great...all this food for thought and free entertainment!

    Re: ABC Cuts Robin Williams Song From Oscars (none / 0) (#45)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Mar 03, 2005 at 09:22:30 AM EST
    i.e. the Christian Right: I opposed war in Iraq; voted for Kerry; and am registered Republican. In a past life (literally, I died and was reborn in Christ) I was a Marxist.(I like Robin Williams, song was funny, and if I was ABC wouldn't have let him offend a lot of my customers either). I doubt if I have ever lived a whole day the way I believe I should. I believe in a pers