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Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail

Update: Mr. Hindraker has acknowledged writing the e-mail and apologized for it. I think his apology is genuine and I consider the matter closed. I am also going to send him an e-mail complimenting him on his swift and direct response, and I've updated the title to this post. Everyone has clicked the "send" button a little too fast at one time or another. One of the things I have always liked about AOL is that it has an "unsend" button where you can unsend your mail if it was directed to another AOL user. I've used it many times.

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Too funny...Powerline Blog is an uber-right blog by three lawyers. Time Magazine named it Blog of the Year, primarily for its coverage of the Dan Rather story. One of the authors is lawyer John Hindraker who blogs under the name Hindrocket. He went to Harvard Law School. You can sometimes see him punditing on cable news talk shows. Here's how he writes on Powerline. Want to know how he really talks when he thinks no one is listening except a liberal?

Check out this e-mail response Hindraker sent a blogger for Minnesota Politics, in response to an email which expressed a difference of opinion on the Jeff Gannon story, but had no profanity or name-calling.

Nice. I have no doubt that Mr. Hindraker is an intelligent man with a high IQ. All the more reason for him to use it. Time Magazine should be cringing right now along with the rest of us. [link via TBogg who has more.]

Update: MN Politics responds in the comments here that the e-mail he received was from "John H." at Powerline. Here is the copy of the heading from the email, which he just e-mailed me (I've substituted xxx for the IP addresses since I don't think they should be public):

From : John Hinderaker
Reply-To : John Hinderaker
Sent : Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:07 PM
To : MN Politics Guru
Subject : Re: Jeff Gannon/JD Guckert

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    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 05:29:04 PM EST
    I like Powerline. Thinks it's a good blog!

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 05:56:04 PM EST
    . . . good for you Willliam.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#3)
    by nolo on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 05:57:15 PM EST
    I can't believe that a guy with that little self-control would be a partner in a significant commercial litigation firm. Oh, wait. Having been an associate in one of those shops, yes I can.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:13:14 PM EST
    I know people who think that's a valid form of argument, and that nothing can trump such a response. Is there anything you can say, or do you just have to shake your head and walk away?

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#5)
    by roy on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:14:10 PM EST
    That e-mail must be fake. It can be reproduced in Microsoft Word.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:24:59 PM EST
    Old joke: Jesus is preaching and hears a commotion. He goes over and finds a bunch of people getting ready to stone an adulteress to death. He makes a fine speech for tolerance, mercy, and forgiveness, ending up with the most famous parable: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. A woman runs from the crowd and beats the adulteress to death with a rock. Jesus gazes upon her and says: You know, mom, sometimes you really p*ss me off. -C PS - For those of you not getting it, care to share your email archives? PPS - Is this another case of "conservatives are guilty every one else is alleged?"

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#7)
    by roy on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:29:28 PM EST
    TL, I'm curious, did you e-mail Hindrocket to ask for confirmation before posting this?

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 06:56:45 PM EST
    Disgusting behavior comes in all shapes and sizes--liberal, conservative, priest, lawyer, straight, gay, prostitute, reporter. I'm neither surprised nor shocked.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:17:43 PM EST
    I Love it what a world.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:26:34 PM EST
    I see a new series on Fox: "When Wingnuts Go Wingnuttier." Roy, TL did not let the horse out of the barn, so I doubt if she would have t get anyone's permission. Indeed, I do not know what the legal standard is for reprinting e-mails. I consider them fair game unless someone specifically asks me not to comment.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:28:08 PM EST
    Just to be clear, there are three authors of the Powerline blog, with one email address for the blog. While people assume the author of the profane email was Hinderaker (not "Hindraker"), it might not have been.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:30:39 PM EST
    Randy Paul - I don't care very much either way, but roy wasn't talking about permission. He was talking about confirmation. Fair question, since the email is so far out of synch with the other side.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#13)
    by roy on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:33:16 PM EST
    TL did not let the horse out of the barn, so I doubt if she would have t get anyone's permission. Indeed, I do not know what the legal standard is for reprinting e-mails.
    I'm not worried about permission or legalities, I'm just deciding what level of skepticism to apply.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:35:15 PM EST
    Fair enough Jim, but I've gotten plenty of e-mails and a few comments on my blog (promptly deleted) from right wingers using foul and abusive language, so the statement "email is so far out of synch with the other side" isn't really borne out by my experience. One side doesn't have a monopoly on virtue or foul language here. I suggest that you disabuse yourself of that notion.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#15)
    by bad Jim on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:49:50 PM EST
    One of the commenters on that site noted also having received a similarly abusive reply, followed by a contrite apology. So the posted email may well be the genuine product of someone with a bit of a hair-trigger temper.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:55:46 PM EST
    Randy Paul - Come on. Neither side has a lock on foul mouthed people, and I think you know that. If not, read a few of the shots by Lefties, on this blog, and it is one of the cleaner ones. I just think it would be neat to ask him: Did you write this?

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:58:11 PM EST
    Randy Paul - I see the confusion - When I wrote "other side" I meant his public side, not the "Left."

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 08:00:43 PM EST
    PPJ, No sweat. I see your point now. On the other hand, it shouldn;t surprise anyone that people can have markedly different public and private sides. Read the Nixon tape transcripts if you have any doubts.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 08:20:55 PM EST
    The e-mail I received was noted "John H." at the bottom, so either he wrote it or somebody else put his name on it, which is the same in the end anyway.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 08:28:45 PM EST
    Randy - Read Ambrose's flawed but generally excellent biography of Nixon if you're interested in seeing the real Nixon - not just the destroyed bit from the early 70's. MN Politics Guru - Please post the headers and the entire email. I am very suspicious that you got phished. -C

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 08:33:03 PM EST
    sounds like emotionally stunted little men with small penises who get off by being bullies with potty mouths.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 08:33:26 PM EST
    As if there was any need for a Conservative indymedia movement. That the mainstream media embraces it says everything that needs to be said.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#23)
    by Darryl Pearce on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 08:51:32 PM EST
    When I was in high-school (in 1978), my speech and debate teacher told us that name-calling lessens the veracity of an argument. Of course, that was just some "elitist, white-tower" teaching. Now, I have to go study my de Bergerac.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#24)
    by roy on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 09:07:35 PM EST
    This is not a proud moment for the Left. Compare to the Churchill hullabaloo. He called 9/11 victims Nazis, and the Right suggests maybe we shouldn't pay him to do that anymore. Hindrocket uses some bad words (4), and the Left wants to accuse him of fraud, muck with his family, embarass him professionally, and get him not just fired but disbarred. (Yes, I'm overgeneralizing. Do your own narrowing.)

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#25)
    by scarshapedstar on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 09:08:39 PM EST
    Cliff, Talk all you want about how we're all sinners, but the guy's a jerk.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#26)
    by scarshapedstar on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 09:09:42 PM EST
    Wow, and then Roy blames the victim.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#27)
    by roy on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 09:19:16 PM EST
    Wow, and then Roy blames the victim.
    MN Politics Guru is the victim, and I haven't said anything about him. I have no complaints about his actions. I was just pointing out that some elements of the Left overreact in the same way they demonize the Right for doing.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 11:11:06 PM EST
    The amazing thing is that the Bush administration wasn't smart enough to put the Gannon story to rest quickly. All they had to do was fire a couple of White House security operatives and create the impression that the matter was being dealt with quickly and decisively. End of story...

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#29)
    by eric on Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 11:14:58 PM EST
    Roy, the difference is that nobody takes a couple of commenters on a blog seriously. However, we could come up with any number of big-name Right wing pundits who've called for Churchill's head. If Kos/Atrios/Marshall/etc., plus Begala, Carville or someone from Air America was calling for Hindraker to be punished, it would be equivalent.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 01:58:30 AM EST
    TL, Since the subject in q is eminently contactable, what did he say when you confronted him with his alleged correspondence? Because you wouldn't just repeat unsubstantiated gossip, would you?

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#31)
    by cp on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 05:22:12 AM EST
    ok TL, i see your very first mistake. you have confused harvard law school graduate with intelligent man and high IQ. the two are not, by definition, mutually inclusive. know what you get when you send an idiot to harvard law? you get an idiot, with a degree from harvard law. that this response came from this guy's site, with his name, is the nail in the coffin. either he actually prepared and sent it, or he was stupid enough to allow others to use his site and respond in his name. either way, he's guilty. oh, and for the record, his response was thematically dull. you'd think that a guy with a degree from harvard law school would be a tad more creative in his profanity. apparently not. how droll.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 06:39:18 AM EST
    Give the guy a break. Everyone has a temper, and some people have a harder time controlling it than others. The e-mail's been published, point made. Move on. I doubt cussing and name-calling rises to the level of disbarment. If that were the case, there wouldn't be any attorneys left.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 07:11:39 AM EST
    sounds like emotionally stunted little men with small penises who get off by being bullies with potty mouths.
    lets not get personal!!!! roy at February 20, 2005 10:07 PM and its gonna get uglier, the democrats, finally, have realized that your tactics work, hyprocrisy, double standards, half-truths, misdirection, lies, paranoia, the colKurtz strategy, something like you must resolve to be as vicious as your enemy if you desire to win!!! its just sad where this will lead america, win at all cost... personally i enjoy a profanity laced tirad. it's so refreshing!!! and more often than naught actually reflects the individuals true disposition.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 08:11:45 AM EST
    Well the idea of Time putting themselves in charge of naming blog of the year made me guffaw when I first saw it. Isn't that mag best known for confirming that any trend is long since over when they become aware of it? Who notified them that blogs even existed?

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#35)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 08:30:07 AM EST
    OK, a better response to MN Politics would have been to say that his assumptions were without any factual basis and that he was not terribly wise, since Guckert/Gannon did not get a press pass under an assumed name. Those responses have resulted in only more fevered conspiracy theories from the regressives like Kos, Willis, etc. Mr. H's response, if it indeed came from him, was understandable.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 09:08:56 AM EST
    It would have been more civilized but not necssarily true. We are all amused by the unrestrained anger from the right to show the public who they really are. You can list every Liberal blog if you like, but they will not be demonized just because you put your cute little "regressive" label on them. That is a typical righty technique, trying to frame the issues, what else is new. I am just going to get some popcorn and enjoy seeing the right suffer with the Guckert/Gannon story.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 09:54:05 AM EST
    the Left wants to accuse him of fraud, muck with his family, embarass him professionally, and get him not just fired but disbarred. My comment that made the same point seems to have been disappeared. For the record, my comment was satire, as the last sentence clearly showed.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#38)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 10:34:55 AM EST
    He seems like a liar (it is obvious from what he claims when interviewd by Wolf Blitzer and Anderson Cooper), so I don't know whether to believe the harrassment claims by him. Also, the gay website/escort business was in the public domain, so he should have realized that when he did it. His orientation is his business, but when you smear other people (as he did in coutless articles he wrote) don't expect people not to dig into your past. It's the hypocracy that is the issue regarding him. The bigger issue, above Guckert/Gannon is the CIA and White House access.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 10:47:25 AM EST
    Roy, the difference is that nobody takes a couple of commenters on a blog seriously. However, we could come up with any number of big-name Right wing pundits who've called for Churchill's head.
    Hmm, you're right. I retract my overgeneralization.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#40)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 10:55:14 AM EST
    Mr. H's response, if it indeed came from him, was understandable.
    it's understandable that you would understand!!! facts not withstanding.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 10:55:32 AM EST
    I would still like to see the whole headers - the IP's are important as if any of them don't belong to the domains in the header then it's phishing. -C

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#42)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 12:08:28 PM EST
    That would be a spoof, not a phish, Cliff. Phishing is an activity initiated by a black hat and aimed at a user. The only way you could invoke it is if you're assuming MN Politics Guru was trying to Phish powerline for the their true natures. :) Still, it's possible MN's e-mail was somehow intercepted by someone and they spoofed a response back. Hinderaker is probably hated enough for someone to waste a lot of time and skill on something so stupid. Anyone have a genuine e-mail from him that can verify the originating e-mail server?

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#43)
    by roy on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 01:48:32 PM EST
    Hindrocket responds.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#44)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 02:29:16 PM EST
    ...comment on a "rumor" to the effect that there are photos floating around of me in a "tryst" with Jeff Gannon. Suffice it to say that these people are beneath contempt...
    with a name like "hindRocket", coupled with his passionate defense of "gaynon", inquiring minds (im) want to know the truth. that suffice it bs just ain't gonna hunt.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#45)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 02:30:16 PM EST
    I agree it's sad that he'd talk like Kos does; incivility is spreading too far. It's good that he apologized for it.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#46)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 04:11:54 PM EST
    It was a very classy response, and I believe it is genuine. I'm going to update this post with a link to his apology. Thanks to the commenter for letting us know. I'm also going to send Mr. Hindraker an email telling him this.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#48)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 06:59:56 PM EST
    ...talk like Kos does? Nah. He is more like Loofah Master O'Liely with that tone, or that Michael Weiner "Savage nut.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 07:09:34 PM EST
    incorrect link provided. Correct link is in tl post.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#49)
    by demohypocrates on Mon Feb 21, 2005 at 07:36:58 PM EST
    Hindraker's email sounds eerily like a response from a TalkLeft poster to a 'troll'. Oh, the indignation when they are on the receiving end.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#50)
    by Kitt on Tue Feb 22, 2005 at 06:53:21 AM EST
    Personally, I think Mr. H's response (justification) is in line with his email. Classy? I think classy would have been to acknowledge he wrote it, apologized while mentioning the need for the delete key and practicing its use. However with the line, 'Here is the story:' he launches into a four-paragraph defense of what he did (six total paragraphs in his explanation). No, I'm not impressed.

    Re: Blogger of the Year Apologizes for E-Mail (none / 0) (#51)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Feb 22, 2005 at 09:48:47 AM EST
    C'mon, winger! You should now be demanding proof that the apology was genuine! Don't get out of denial mode so quickly!