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Social Security: There Is No Crisis

By Jeralyn, Section Other Politics
Posted on Tue Feb 01, 2005 at 11:29:23 PM EST
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If you are watching Bush's SOTU on television tonight, here's something to get you through it.

Remember, there is no crisis.

Also check out MoveOn's ads throughout the day. Click here to watch Working Retirement. Here's the ad (pdf) appearing today's New York Times.

Shorter version: There were no WMD's and there is no social security crisis.

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    Social Security: There Is No Crisis | 22 comments (22 topical)
    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 05:54:35 AM EST
    Lies, values, double speak. This guy would make Orwell blush.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 05:55:54 AM EST
    Don't misunderestimate him. He may be an idiot savant at demolishing democracy (but he has a nose for WMD, doesn't he?).

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 05:57:14 AM EST
    No offense intended to savants and autistic savants, Dubya as idiot savant is a completely different class of being. It's hard work putting food on your family.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 06:40:39 AM EST
    No crisis, but why does the left get so worked up when people want out? If it's so good, then stay in it? So why does EVERYONE ELSE have to?

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 06:48:36 AM EST
    Newsflash, CA: we all have our disagreements with some aspects of GWB's policy, but if you think GWB is stupid, then the joke' on you. If you know he isn't stupid but you call him that anyway, then you are, of course, dishonest. Which are you?

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 09:21:24 AM EST
    Well, whatever Mr. Bush is, he and his administration will always tell you the truth.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 10:18:40 AM EST
    If he was duly elected he does belong in the WH, Swift. Besides, better an IAJ than som other types, you know?

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#8)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 10:31:55 AM EST
    Bush is the front man. They trot him out to distract us from the true criminals. He looks so stupid he's almost entertaining if you didn't know who was really manipulating him. Anyone here think he's really thinking this stuff up on his own? Come ON! Now he'll dance with sparklers while confabulating about how the average joe will realize great security by trusting thieir future to the likes of Morgan Stanley et al. Like marks to the carnies. Step right up and watch your retirement nestegg grow.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#9)
    by Adept Havelock on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 12:09:06 PM EST
    Wait, Che's lounge! How about all of those places where privatization worked so well like England and Chile? Oh...wait...never mind. Doc Ace- You may be satisfied with an IAJ. I happen to have higher standards, which often leaves me without a canidate to support. However, an IAJ does seem to represent the classic "ugly american" face this administration seems to revel in showing to the world. At least better than other "types" would.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 12:17:38 PM EST
    So, Che and Adept, here's the bottom line. Pick your poison: ___ You are stupid ___You are dishonest. Pretty pathetic when stupid represents the moral high road.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#11)
    by Adept Havelock on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 12:21:24 PM EST
    Doc Ace- There is one other possiblity, considering I never referred to Bush as stupid. _You are just another blind Ideologue who has to lump every one together.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 12:38:43 PM EST
    Posted by at February 2, 2005 10:21 AM lengthy, but pretty much covers what i heard about iraq. Posted by Adept Havelock at February 2, 2005 01:21 PM Doc Ace- ..._You are just another blind Ideologue who has to lump every one together. and he is probably proudest of this!!! he conforms.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#13)
    by Adept Havelock on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 01:09:26 PM EST
    yellow (now blue) dog, Yes, sadly he probably is. Notice he disappeared from the thread as soon as I pointed out that I never said anything close to the words he attempted to put in my mouth.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 03:01:47 PM EST
    Harry Truman was an IAJ. Not good enough for you, AH? "Ugly American"? I leave to get some work done and you assume I "disappeared from the thread"? I suppose I'll give you the bene of the doubt and attribute your behavior to the moral high road.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#15)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 03:13:24 PM EST
    So, Che and Adept, here's the bottom line. Pick your poison: ___ You are stupid ___You are dishonest. Pretty pathetic when stupid represents the moral high road. No higher praise can be found on this site. Thank You Ace.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#16)
    by Adept Havelock on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 05:43:01 PM EST
    OK. You came back to the thread. My error. While you were busy insulting me, I couldn't help notice you still didn't bother acknowledging I never said the words you attempted to put in my mouth. Why am I not surprised? Che's Lounge- Indeed.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#17)
    by Adept Havelock on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 05:58:56 PM EST
    As for my "ugly american" statement. Yes, I stand by it. This administration seems to revel in the delusion of "American Exceptionalism". This, to me, is no different than the person who goes overseas and thinks they have the right to tell other people how they should or should not conduct their affairs. You may have a different view of the "ugly american" issue. That's fine.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 06:36:21 AM EST
    Che, you're welcome, but you earned it fair and square. AH, okay, I concede; you did not call GWB stupid, but it begs the question. And you haven't explained: -what is wrong w/an AJ for prez, and your "ugly American" smear. (American exceptionalism is no delusion, AH. Everyone in the world except the most isolated, has a realtionship with America. Either they live here, have been here, know someone who has been here, want to come here, etc.)

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#19)
    by Adept Havelock on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 09:54:06 AM EST
    Doc ace- What exactly "begs the question"? Can you be more clear? What's wrong with an IAJ for president? I think we can do better, and it would reflect better on us as a nation if we did. You cannot seriously tell me that another Thomas Jefferson (or someone with his brainpower and ability to articulate it) wouldn't be a vast improvement. Of course, he'd just be painted as a member of the academic elite. American Exceptionalism is a delusion. It's just a wide-spread one. Everyone in the modern world at the time had a relationship with Rome or the British Empire at the time of their height of power too. Are you going to claim "Roman or British exceptionalism" were also the case?

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 11:31:44 AM EST
    AH, the q. is: do you agree with the general consensus on the left regarding GWB? Re: American Exceptionalism, e.g., other cultures have tried to adopt the American Constitution, but never achieved democracy Other examples abound.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#21)
    by Adept Havelock on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 12:03:39 PM EST
    That would depend upon what the "general consensus" of the left is. If you feel it's that "Bush is a moron" then no, I don't agree. If you feel that it's "Bush is a dangerous ideologue who puts his ideology before opposing facts and science.", I'd be more inclined to agree with that assesment.

    Re: Social Security: There Is No Crisis (none / 0) (#22)
    by Adept Havelock on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 12:05:56 PM EST
    Re: American exceptionalism. So I gather France, Canda, Sweden, and New Zealand for starters somehow prove your thesis, as they have created stable democracies without reference to the US.

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