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Posted on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 07:41:33 AM EST
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The Senate will not vote to confirm Alberto Gonzalez as attorney general today. Instead, the debate surrounding his fitness to serve in that position will continue, with a vote expected on Thursday.

Democratic opposition to Gonzales derives "from the nominee's involvement in the formulation of a number of policies that have tarnished our country's moral leadership in the world and put American soldiers and American citizens at greater risk," Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said during Senate debate Tuesday.

A confirmation hearing is also being held today regarding the nomination of Michael Chertoff to head Homeland Security.

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    No Vote on Gonzalez Today | 16 comments (16 topical)
    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 08:16:26 AM EST
    and put American soldiers and American citizens at greater risk That is the key phrase right there. Few people appreciate or understand how true that is. And it matters most when you're the most powerful nation in the world. It gives you the best chance of being able to lead by example.

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 09:00:33 AM EST
    Yes, another day of obstructionism from the jackass party. Among the ranking Democrats who are blocking the first Hispanic to be named Attorney General are a racist KKK member and a womanizing murderer. With the way both Dr. Rice and Judge Gonzales have been treated by the Dems, no wonder the party is bleeding minority support. Funny how white guys were all confirmed without opposition by the Dems, but a black and a Hispanic have been catching hell. Thanks again in advance for the GOP supermajority in 2006!!

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#3)
    by ras on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 10:01:46 AM EST
    Worldwide, the usual pattern is that majority groups will vote for various parties, but those who see themselves in a minority group tend to vote much more as a bloc. Dems are much closer than they know to a tipping point, where their current minority-bloc shifts, en masse, to the Republicans. The first movements in that direction, already evident, have begun, contributing to Bush's victories. But when the full scope of it takes place, dashing the Dems' hopes of ever retaking power, I expect a 3rd party to form, taking with it soft-c/soft-l voters from both parties, and leaving the Hard Left behind. The new party will then replace the Dems in the two-party system.

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 10:06:12 AM EST
    medscribe, do you have any proof that Gonzales is being blocked because he is Hispanic, or that Rice was blocked because she is black? If not, your comment is non-sensical. ras, there's too much money between the two major parties. For a third party to replace one of the two nowadays is impossible.

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#5)
    by Adept Havelock on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 10:24:24 AM EST
    Skaje, Ras and medscribe have never required proof. It's all part of their faith-based worldview. Just because they believe it, it must be true. If true, they must do all they can to force it on others. It's all part and parcel of wingnuttery, their inability to accept that both conservatives and liberals have something positive to contribute to the political process. Faith is fine, if that's your bag. I prefer emperical evidence.

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 10:57:12 AM EST
    Medscriebe: I enjoyed your post. It is not often that one gets to see the writings of an ideolog that shows the true disrespect and resort to personal and adhominem attacks that has come to so well describe the conservative view of politics. I am amazed at your language. I guess we can we can see where your values are. Unfortunately, conservatives automatically and cynically resort to the race card. The Republicans also love to raise prejudice as an issue whenever a conservative minority person is opposed upon grounds of competence or policy.

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 12:04:20 PM EST
    It is not often that one gets to see the writings of an ideolog that shows the true disrespect and resort to personal and adhominem attacks that has come to so well describe the conservative view of politics.
    You need to spend more time on this blog, J.! Bush loyalty in a time of war and fear does not a party affiliation make. My feeling is that there are approx. 25-35% Ultra-conservative Dyed in the Wool Republicans, 25-35% of similarly partisan Liberal Democrats, with the rest of the country either confused, one issue voters, afraid of change or folks who don't pay attention enough to see a difference, or who vote based on the man, not the party platform. The other 30-50% is up for grabs at any given time. Good Luck. BTW, If Carl Rove had worked for the Kerry Campaign, who do you think would be giving the speech tonite??

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 12:07:20 PM EST
    BTW - I had an inspirational idea this morning of sending a pair of female panties (or other token of his policies at work) to Alberto. I'd love to see him get hundreds of thousands!! : ) Any thoughts on this?

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 12:47:09 PM EST
    mfox at February 2, 2005 01:07 PM please don't waste a perfectly exciting idea on someone who obviously would not appreciate it. i would suggest you think about our young servicemen, who would undoubtdly find this an extreme morale booster.

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 01:55:42 PM EST
    Whenever a Republican brings up Condi or Gonzales' race, just ask them: "So what you're saying is that we should just approve them...because they are of a minority race?" And they claim to be against affirmative action...

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 02:36:38 PM EST
    LoL I'll save a pair for you, sniff.

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#12)
    by ras on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 04:07:08 PM EST
    Skaje, I think the generic R to whom you refer would say: "no, you should not approve either candidate because of their race. But equally, you should not deliberately oppose them because of their race, as the Dems have - confirmed by their own words, in writing - done in similar instances and apparently continue to do:
    November 7, 2001/To: Senator Durbin -- "The groups singled out three--Jeffrey Sutton (6th Circuit); Priscilla Owen (5th Circuit); and Caroline [sic] Kuhl (9th Circuit)--as a potential nominee for a contentious hearing early next year, with a [sic] eye to voting him or her down in Committee. They also identified Miguel Estrada (D.C. Circuit) as especially dangerous, because he has a minimal paper trail, he is Latino, and the White House seems to be grooming him for a Supreme Court appointment. They want to hold Estrada off as long as possible."[my emph]
    Add in Harry Reid's attacks on Clarence Thomas as being not to bright (the details of those attacks later shown to consist of imaginary evidence contradicted by the official record), Boxer's attacks on Rice in a similar vein, and any number of Dems openly questioning if Alberto Gonzales was "hispanic enough" and there's a lotta smoke. Is there a fire? In the Estrada case, obviously. In the Thomas case, probably. In the Rice case, can't say. Of course, having Rice also attacked by Robert "Pillowcase" Byrd doesn't do much to dispel the image of the D's as the party of racism today. p.s. There is loads of room for a 3rd party to rise. Money can move, and the entry cost is lower than in the past. Adept, If I'd written your words for you myself, you still couldn't have done a better job of proving my thesis. Thanks. Your attitude is exactly the reason the Dems' Hard Left continues to alienate its moderates.

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#13)
    by Adept Havelock on Wed Feb 02, 2005 at 05:35:06 PM EST
    Ras- If I was in error, I can admit it. However, I've never seen you take anything other than a hard right position on any issue here. When confronted with opposing ideals, you can be relied upon to trot out the same old tired right-wing talking points. As such, I'll continue to consider you an ideologue. Furthermore, I find it difficult to see exactly how my statements about wingnuttery being the inability to accept that both sides have something positive to contribute to the political process support any thesis you've given. Exactly which part of your "thesis" do I vindicate? If you consider me part of the hard left, you have a great deal to learn. I don't belong to the right or the left, you won't pigeonhole me that easily. At best, I can be considered a center-left on social issues, and center-right on financial. Again, this proves your thesis how?

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 03:09:07 AM EST
    "November 7, 2001/To: Senator Durbin -- "They also identified Miguel Estrada (D.C. Circuit) as especially dangerous, because he has a minimal paper trail, he is Latino, " (i.e. the White House will be politicizing his race, as you are doing) "and the White House seems to be grooming him for a Supreme Court appointment. They want to hold Estrada off as long as possible." Trying to Telemundo-ize the Latino world isn't as easy as you think. It's your racism that thinks we're so easy to convince, esse.

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 03:12:13 AM EST
    "Posted by medscribe at February 2, 2005 10:00 AM Yes, another day of obstructionism from the jackass party. Among the ranking Democrats who are blocking the first Hispanic to be named Attorney General are a racist KKK member" Perhaps you're talking about Byrd. How come Bush is pals with the Concerned Citizens' Council, which every one knows is the public arm of the KKK? You got a lot of nerve lying like you do about your REAL beliefs. " Always accuse your opponents of the acts you yourself are carrying out" is getting old. It's clear who the racists are, warboy.

    Re: No Vote on Gonzalez Today (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 07:27:45 AM EST
    Ras - re: November 7, 2001/To: Senator Durbin I don't understand your reference. You give a statement in quotations but don't mention the author? Who wrote this sentence? Paul in L.A., I don't understand your response or who is saying the quoted lines.

    No Vote on Gonzalez Today | 16 comments (16 topical)