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Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed

By Jeralyn, Section Terror Detainees
Posted on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 11:58:25 AM EST
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Associated Press reports:

Female interrogators tried to break Muslim detainees at the U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo Bay by sexual touching, wearing a miniskirt and thong underwear and in one case smearing a Saudi man's face with fake menstrual blood, according to an insider's written account.

A draft manuscript obtained by The Associated Press is classified as secret pending a Pentagon review for a planned book that details ways the U.S. military used women as part of tougher physical and psychological interrogation tactics to get terror suspects to talk.

It's the most revealing account so far of interrogations at the secretive detention camp, where officials say they have halted some controversial techniques.

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    Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed | 39 comments (39 topical)
    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 12:24:19 PM EST
    ...sexual touching, wearing a miniskirt and thong underwear and in one case smearing a Saudi man's face with fake menstrual blood,... except for that "blood" thing, round these parts we don't call that torture that's a vist to theSpot pleanty one dollar bills required.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 01:10:01 PM EST
    Peanut, I didn't see the word torture in TL's post. Just curious how many dollar bills did these guys get and did they get to touch back. I've seen some of or service women and on second thought, torture might be an accurate description. What a depraved country we are, let freedom ring.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 01:27:47 PM EST
    Being that American POW's that were tortured by Iraq were awarded 1.7 billion (or was it 2.7 billion) in a judgement against Iraq (that our gov't is now refusing to "release" as they say the funds have to go toward rebuilding Iraq), where do those tortured by our military file suit and can we expect the same type of payout?

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 01:34:05 PM EST
    or does this qualify as one of those times when "tort reform" is necessary because of the evil lawyers.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 01:43:52 PM EST
    All I can ask is "Why?" Why would people from the country I love do this to people? How could they allow themselves to become what we fear most?

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 01:58:05 PM EST
    Posted by at January 27, 2005 02:10 PM ...Peanut, I didn't see the word torture in TL's post. ..tougher physical and psychological interrogation tactics to get terror suspects to talk. has for this administration = torture. the aside being, I don't see torture in this, being an american, but for a muslim i could understand this being "cruel and inhumane". pleanty = a fistful = debit/credit card handy

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 02:12:45 PM EST
    Ten bucks say Limbaugh dismisses this as nothing more than college hijinks.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 02:39:48 PM EST
    Was she wearing a training mask?

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#9)
    by Quaker in a Basement on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 03:06:12 PM EST
    "Ten bucks say Limbaugh dismisses it..." Twenty says he pays good money for worse.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 03:45:47 PM EST
    I hope everyone is preparing themselves for the scenario that will unfold within the next few years where US soldiers come back telling harrowing tales about the torture that they experienced at the hands of the enemy including sexual touching and eventually sodomy. The American populus will no doubt be thirsting for (more) enemy blood at that point. Could someone (who is not a knee-jerk wing-nut) please drop me a line when the US becomes a republic again? It sure looks a lot like a tyrannical monarchy at the moment. Supporting the troops requires resisting the current administration. Cheers, Alan Tomlinson

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 03:49:07 PM EST
    This is torture, and it is abhorrent. This from a "Christian" government? Oh, man, we sink lower everyday. And if you can't comprehend why this is torture put yourselves (assuming you're a heterosexual Christian American male) in the detainees shoes and put homosexuals in the role of interrogators.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 04:10:08 PM EST
    Land of the free...home of the depraved...

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#13)
    by Darryl Pearce on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 04:22:16 PM EST
    Pelias: "Why did Zeus make me kill this girl if only Jason had to die?" Hera: "The Gods do not make men do such deeds. Men drive themselves to do such things, that the Gods may know them and that Men may understand themselves.” A chance to show our quality...

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 04:58:17 PM EST
    Look when can I go? I know how you can get all the nut's at Guantanamo to talk and tell you where Bin Laden is, Send Ted down to the Camp have him wear some Miniskirt and thongs, the guys will tell you all that anything you want to hear and the senator can go back home and tell all the boys in washington he won the war in one day. is that a plan or what? "I need a doctor"

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 06:09:40 PM EST
    et al - "mostly Muslim men who consider it taboo to have close contact with women who aren't their wives...." Of course that same taboo doesn't prevent them from beating, stoning, etc., their wives for a variety of reasons, including failure of their wife to have sex on demand with them. Folks. If you think any of the information in the article is torture, I can only say I don't know whether to laugh or cry. What utter nonsense that whole article is.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#16)
    by pigwiggle on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 06:30:35 PM EST
    “Folks. If you think any of the information in the article is torture, I can only say I don't know whether to laugh or cry.” I most certainly agree. It’s not torture to take advantage of someone’s absurd belief system; would you all call ‘piss Christ’ torture. There is a fairly stark line between aggressive interrogation and torture.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#17)
    by Darryl Pearce on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 07:26:10 PM EST
    ...everybody in my family had a knock-down, drag-out fight, and as a toddler and a child, confused by their reasons, I cried. ...all the kids in my foster family had knock-down, drag-out fights, and as an adolescent and a teenager, confused by their reasons, I laughed. ...all the people on my planet have knock-drown, drag-out, building-smashing, toddler-freaking, limb-rendering, orphan-causing, children-burning, trick-playing, emotional-blackmailing, naked-person-stacking, anal-penetrating, death-choking, beheading fights, and as an adult and a parent, confused by their reasons, I cry (again). "Can't we all just get along?"

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#18)
    by cp on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 07:29:21 PM EST
    thirty bucks says o'reilly wants a copy of the tape, purely for "research purposes" of course.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 07:47:31 PM EST
    This is pretty depraved. Granar and Lyndie England would feel right at home. Jim doesn't see what is wrong with it. Well, ok.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 07:52:54 PM EST
    What a difference a year makes (actually, not even a year) - have a look at the comments section of this previous post.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 08:05:41 PM EST
    Read Greg - The claim was that prostitues were brought in. They weren't. And your point is? Oh, I see. Your point is that he thought he had seen prostitues, hence his claim was truthful. Well, I thought I saw Elvis at the LV Hilton last week but it turned out to be just a fat guy in tight pants. And nobody cared. Get my point?

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 08:29:52 PM EST
    The lady doth protest too much, methinks, Jim.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#23)
    by Adept Havelock on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 08:31:12 PM EST
    PPJ- Your point being of course, that there is nothing wrong with using aggressive sexuality to interrogate a prisoner. Given this. I'm sure you will also have no problem with it when some born again gay-hating GI is captured by insurgents and is being subjected to repeated homosexual acts of a similar nature to what occured in Gitmo. Then, maybe let his family, friends, fellow church members and others enjoy the photos that are circulated. After all, it certainly couldn't be considered torture, right? Just "agressive interrogation", or college frat-boy hijinks.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 09:12:11 PM EST
    Adept - The fact is that no sexual act occurred. The other fact is that this not torture. It is not abuse. It is aggressive. So what.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#25)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 09:19:59 PM EST
    Read, I remember Gerry Owen made a spectacularly prominent ass out of himself in that thread. Not that I'm at all happy that I was right on the mark.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#26)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 09:21:39 PM EST
    Sorry, that should be Greg P.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 10:23:28 PM EST
    ...sexual touching, wearing a miniskirt and thong underwear and in one case smearing a Saudi man's face with fake menstrual blood,... except for that "blood" thing, round these parts we don't call that torture that's a vist to theSpo Everybody knows American women are nymphomaniacs who put out at the drop of a hat and are only in the army to service their male companions. Therefore Iraqis raping female soldiers held prisoner isn't bad at all, right?

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 10:41:48 PM EST
    Jim: I think you're missing the point. Whether you agree that that above-mentioned acts constitute torture or just cruel treatment (or maybe just bad taste to you)is not exactly the point. There is a much larger picture here. There are four themes that are pervasive in the images and stories that we see daily about detainee abuse: (1) sleep deprivation; (2) stress positions;(3) sexual humiliation; and (4) other types of extreme psychological and physical torment. You will see these varying themes in all of the detainee abuse cases. These acts are purposely committed by our government because they believe that these types of methods will be successful in "prepping" detainees for extraction of information by the intelligence community. The story above provides additional detail to the sexual humiliation theme of our government's de facto policy. Why do you think that Lyndie England was placed in the Abu Graib photographs so that she could point at detainees who were being forced to masturbate? Why do you think that there was a video shown by the prosecution in the Graner case of Iraqi men being forced into group masturbation and other lewd positions? All of the acts mentioned above and in the new story above were carefully choreographed for the purpose of obtaining information from Muslim men because sexual humiliation is thought by the government to be a particularly degrading thing to the detainees, perhaps worse than death for some. So, regardless of how you choose to characterize the above acts of cruel treatment, it is more important to see the bigger picture: that this is all part of a much larger practice on the part of the government that is intentionally inflicted in a systemic manner.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 05:00:35 AM EST
    Dave - You state the obvious. I thought we all understood that we are interogatting these illegal combatants, and these activities are used to soften them up. You evidently have some problem with that. I don't. I do have a problem with torture. But this is NOT torture. merl - What we do, or don't do, will have no impact on what the terorists do, or don't do to any one who is captured by them. BTW - Would you rather have a woman's breast or beheading knife rubbed on the back of your neck?

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#31)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 06:34:40 AM EST
    A couple of definitions for the record: Depraved - Pronunciation: di-'prAvd Function: adjective : marked by corruption or evil; especially : PERVERTED Perverted 1 a : to cause to turn aside or away from what is good or true or morally right : CORRUPT b : to cause to turn aside or away from what is generally done or accepted : MISDIRECT 2 a : to divert to a wrong end or purpose : MISUSE b : to twist the meaning or sense of : MISINTERPRET

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 07:19:08 AM EST
    Posted by thePeaNutGallery at January 27, 2005 01:24 PM ...sexual touching, wearing a miniskirt and thong underwear and in one case smearing a Saudi man's face with fake menstrual blood,... except for that "blood" thing, round these parts we don't call that torture that's a vist to theSpot pleanty one dollar bills required. If your local religious representative was subjected to that sort of thing, and told that it was being recorded so that it could be broadcast to his congregation, that would be no big deal either, right? Especially if they lied when they said they were recording it... Posted by Poker Player (aka Jim) at January 28, 2005 06:00 AM Dave - You state the obvious. I thought we all understood that we are interogatting these illegal combatants, and these activities are used to soften them up. I thought we all understood that a majority of the detainees were rounded up with no clue as to whether they were illegal combatants, had pissed off the locals who had the ear of the American 'liberators', or were merely in the wrong place at the wrong time. And that the Americans were making very little effort to determine which category they were in.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 07:43:54 AM EST
    (:Tom:) - No, we did not all understand that these prisoners are just innocent bystanders, siezed while out taking a walk and picking flowers to decorate their home. If my local religious leader.... What an outrageous comparsion. Surely you can do better than that. I am LOL. Thomas my dear man. Since you think these are such sweet and dear people, perhaps you can convince the military to send you one that will live with you. Kind of a one-way student exchange program.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 10:51:47 AM EST
    (: Tom :) at January 28, 2005 08:19 AM ...If your local religious representative... exactly the problem tom, everybody on both sides believe their working for god, doing his bidding. i have no local religious representative!!! atheist have a tendency to be more independant and forward thinking than most. for your edification: "Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness." - - Emmett F. Fields, Atheism: An Affirmative View.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#35)
    by Adept Havelock on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 11:30:35 AM EST
    Peanut... Perhaps. I've long felt the only thing that distinguishes a "religion" from a "superstition"is membership numbers, a building, and tax-exempt status. I have my superstition, and it comforts me. However, I don't claim my invisible friend is any better (or truer) than anyone elses.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#36)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 11:56:54 AM EST
    The claim was that prostitues were brought in. They weren't
    Considering that these female interogators were paid to perform sexual acts, you could call them prostitutes.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#38)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 02:49:09 PM EST
    sounds like something that Rumsfeld and Cheney would approve of.

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 03:48:17 PM EST
    Adept Havelock at January 28, 2005 12:30 PM I have my superstition, and it comforts me. However, I don't claim my invisible friend is any better (or truer) than anyone elses. and that sir would be the
    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#40)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 28, 2005 at 03:49:34 PM EST
    cont': beginning of widsom!!! for all

    Re: Guantanamo Sexcapades Revealed (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 11:07:29 AM EST
    kdogs - Since Clinton educating us all to the fact that BJ's aren't sexual acts, a little breast rubbing on the neck surely doesn't count. BTW - In their context, I approved of both acts.

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