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UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo

The order of the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals reversing the conviction of Scottish citizen and Ohio death row inmate Kenneth Richey has prompted this editorial in The Herald, a British newspaper:

We should welcome yesterday's ruling. However, in an inverted version of the Biblical parable, we should not rejoice over the one who has (probably) been saved as lament the 3500 who have not. That is the number currently on death row. Since capital punishment was reinstated in the United States in 1976, nearly 1000 prisoners have been executed, including a 74-year-old so stricken by dementia that he did not know who he was, and a man with the mental age of seven. The US is up there with China, the Congo, Iran and Saudi Arabia in the global league table of executions, despite scant evidence that capital punishment is a deterrent to violent crime. Furthermore, around 3.5% of those sentenced to death in the US have subsequently been proved innocent and DNA technology is likely to increase this percentage.

As governor of Texas from 1995 to 2001, George Bush authorised a record 152 executions and granted just one of 57 appeals for clemency. In Texas, the chances are that, guilty or otherwise, Kenneth Richey would have been dead for years.

Once again, as others see us--America needs to look in the mirror.

More foreign reporting and reaction:

Scotland's Daily Mirror<: FOR 18 YEARS HE'S SAT ON DEATH ROW, WAITING TO BE STRAPPED TO OLD SPARKY

The Telegraph: Saved from Death Row

In March last year 150 MPs signed a Commons motion backing Mr Richey's claim of innocence after Tony Blair pledged to look into the case.

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    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#1)
    by Darryl Pearce on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 10:43:14 PM EST
    Further, putting somebody on "death row" costs extra money. Now, how do I reconcile this attitude with the US's self-admittedly outlaw gulags of Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Diego Garcia and only who-knows where else?

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:02:34 AM EST
    Deterrence is only a secondary consideration anyway. Exacting the penalty of justice for the heinous act of deliberate murder is the primary purpose, a higher concept unfathomed by some.

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:35:41 AM EST
    Oh come on don't you understand our great nation is justice and justice is freedom and freedom will always win the souls of all people, and our great el leader knows best for all of us! and we don't do anything that bin laden hasn't done? anyway our nobility needs more dead people. how many may have not done the deed?

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#4)
    by bad Jim on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:40:59 AM EST
    Japan still hangs a few people every year, too. I forget whether TL linked this piece by Charles Lane. The death penalty is one more thing that makes it hard to be proud of America.

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#6)
    by pigwiggle on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 06:15:22 AM EST
    What are we arguing here anyway; the intrinsic injustice of the death penalty, or that the states are killing the wrong folks? I’m sold if it’s the latter, but I think that the ‘non-death’ countries are opposed based on the former.

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 06:40:40 AM EST
    [off topic comment deleted.]

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 07:00:17 AM EST
    Lost in all the comments above, of course, is that there is a fairly strong body of evidence that the "arson" that lead to murder charge was a regular old fire with Richey taking the rap for a tragic accidient. - k

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 07:06:16 AM EST
    Deterrence is only a secondary consideration anyway. Exacting the penalty of justice for the heinous act of deliberate murder is the primary purpose, a higher concept unfathomed by some.
    Unfathomed by some, including Jesus.

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#9)
    by Darryl Pearce on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 07:39:19 AM EST
    ...reminds me of discussion we had once during a Civil War reenactment: If some infantry aim at the #1 man operating a cannon, that's a tactic. If the soldier sees that the #1 man is his arch-nemisis from his past, calls him by name, and says, "Kill that person!" then it's a murder. Of course, I don't know how well that would hold up in a court of law.

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 08:52:56 AM EST
    Deterrence is only a secondary consideration anyway. Exacting the penalty of justice for the heinous act of deliberate murder is the primary purpose, a higher concept unfathomed by some.
    Disagreeing with the legitimacy of a concept isn't the same as not fathoming it. Everyone understands the urge for retribution, not everyone endorses indulging it.

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:35:02 PM EST
    It will be a deterence if you kill them faster. Death sentence is so far and between in the US that any violent criminal will be expecting a long time in the prison before they face the needle. Shorten the appeal process to say 6 months and I am sure they will take notice. It probably will save tons of money for us taxpayers too.

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:39:59 PM EST
    "Exacting the penalty of justice for the heinous act of deliberate murder is the primary purpose, a higher concept unfathomed by some." Since when is revenge through killing, I mean the "penalty of justice," a "higher concept"?

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:49:42 PM EST
    No Name...Do you expect me to believe, in the midst of a murder in progress, the murderer is thinking what will happen if he/she gets caught? Please....he/she is thinking "I'm gonna kill this S.O.B.", if they are even thinking at all.

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 12:52:12 PM EST
    its most disturbing considering we are the only democracy out the bunch of countries listed above.

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#15)
    by pigwiggle on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 01:04:39 PM EST
    “its most disturbing considering we are the only democracy out the bunch of countries listed above.” In that un-elected governments are killing their population? Or that Americans overwhelmingly consider capital punishment justice?

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#16)
    by Darryl Pearce on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 01:32:03 PM EST
    Regarding "deterrence": if the death-penalty is to convince other people not to commit crimes they're considering, then capital punishment should be a public spectacle.

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#17)
    by Beck on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 02:10:20 PM EST
    3.5% times 152 executions means that George Bush probably killed 5 people who were innocent of the crime for which they were executed.

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#18)
    by Peaches on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 02:18:58 PM EST
    Piggle, Or that Americans overwhelmingly consider capital punishment justice? Possibly true, although I would quibble with overwhelmingly. I am sure though that Americans OVERWHELMINGLY consider the execution of an innocent to be the exact opposite of justice. In which case, how do we assure we are not executing the innocent? There are also a host of other considerations that Americans may OVERWHELMINGLY consider capital punishment an injustice--minors, mentally incompetent, etc. The cases where AMericans might consider capital punishment justice are most likely few once all information on each case is presented. When we figure in the cost of making all that information available through appeals, hearings, etc. Americans, I am sure, OVERWHELMINGLY favor life without the possibility for parole over Capital punishment.

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#19)
    by soccerdad on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 02:23:08 PM EST
    capital punishment should be a public spectacle.
    A long time ago I read that they used to hang pickpockets in England in public. It didn't deter pick pockets from going through the crowd watching the hanging. There is no credible evidence that I know of that proves capital punishment is a deterrent. capital punishment even for under 18 yo, torture, indefinite detentions, inhumane prison conditions, war crimes - what a country!

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#20)
    by wishful on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 02:36:00 PM EST
    The symbolism of the cross is, I believe, totally misinterpreted wrt executing each other. It depicts an execution. I think that it is believed by believers that Jesus died for our sins. Wellllll, if He already did that, the cross reminds us that we can stop now. Apparently He did it for all of us, including the sinners among us. If humans who were so sure of their rightness executed God, how can we be so sure of our rightness at any time?You would think that Christians would be the LAST people in favor of execution. It hits sort of close to home.

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 02:59:24 PM EST
    Or that Americans overwhelmingly consider capital punishment justice? well I guess both, but at least in the other countries they can truly blame their oppressive government, whereas here our government is supposed to be the will of the people

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 10:09:54 PM EST
    No name but right!! America does not currently have the ability to look at its self in the mirror. For example, why do pro death penality folks not explain why there are so many murders in America? Are Americans just violent, or is there some other explicable reason?

    Re: UK Editorial Compares Us to the Congo (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 11:47:25 PM EST
    "Pick pocketing was at its peak at public hangings, and pick pocketing was a capital offense."