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Prince Harry's in the Doghouse

Prince Harry really stepped in it this time. He went to a costume party wearing the uniform of an SS Offcier, complete with swatstika. The 20 year old prince has apologized. Should that be the end of it? His aunt, Sarah Fergueson, thinks so.

Or, should it engender a discussion of whether the current generation of youth are being educated about the holocaust?

In Jerusalem, Robert Rozett, the director of the library at Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial, said the photographs of Harry wearing a swastika showed that "the lessons of the Holocaust have not really entered deeply within his understanding and consciousness."

....We would hope that figures like Prince Harry would be more sensitive and not trivialize it. ... We would suggest that Harry and others would do well to learn more about the subject, be more careful about how they use the subject in public."

I agree with Mr. Rozett on that. I also think it probably was just a thoughtless act by Harry with no actual malice or prejudice intended. But, would your kid have done it? In most households I know of, there have been many discussions about Hitler, the Holoucaust and the persecution of Jews. Maybe they didn't have these discussions in Harry's house.

Also, this isn't the first time that the Royal Family has engaged in questinable behavior regarding the Nazis:

Over the years, the royal family has committed an array of gaffes, especially Prince Philip, the queen's husband, who reinforced his reputation for ill-chosen utterances in 1997 when he addressed Chancellor Helmut Kohl of Germany as Reichskanzler - the title used by Hitler.

Not only that. As The Evening Standard, among other newspapers, noted on Thursday, the royal family had an ambiguous relationship with Germany and the Nazis. ....In the 1930's, moreover, some members were widely seen as openly sympathetic to the Nazis. In one iconic photograph, the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, smiling broadly, were seen greeting Hitler.

Harry's callousness sounds suspiciously to me like something he learned at the dinner table, although I wonder how many times he actually dined with either of his parents. He might have learned it from the staff.

Wherever he learned it, it is a huge mistake to to allow children to minimize the Holocaust or believe it can never happen again. My recommendation: Six months sensitivity training for all of them, Harry, Charles, Fergie and the staff included.

Update: Harry's father, Prince Charles, is livid over the incident and wants his son to visit Auschwitz

Charles was "incandescent with rage" with the 20-year-old grandson of Queen Elizabeth and wants him to make a private trip to the concentration camp to learn more about the holocaust...."There will be no publicity and they will go with a Jewish charity," the source was quoted as saying in the Sun.

Prince William is now implicated as he was with Harry when he picked out the costume at a costume shop. He will visit Auschwitz as well.

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    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 06:14:30 PM EST
    The average 20-year-old in the Western world has little knowledge of Hitler and the holocaust. I’ll bet Harry didn’t even know who the Nazis were at the time. He doesn’t seem to be especially intelligent.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 06:18:39 PM EST
    I called a brit friend of mine (no fan of either the royals or the fleet street rags) and he is primarily amazed as each of these cats has full time PR advisors who basically vet their entire schedule. Sorta makes me miss Billy Beer. -C

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 06:27:16 PM EST
    You did notice he was attending a theme part, with them "native and colonial". Right there I start wondering what the other guests dressed as.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 06:39:05 PM EST
    He should make a very public visit to the nearest Holocaust museum, and engage in some sessions with experts on the Nazis. The kid needs to learn something about how the other half lived. No excuse for such a prominent representative of unearned wealth and privilege to comport himself like this. From my experience of upper-class British youth (I studied for a year at an english university) they ALL need sensitivity training. When they're not vacationing in Kenya, of course.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#5)
    by Quaker in a Basement on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 07:17:41 PM EST
    This story puzzles me on a couple of levels. The holocaust was Hitler's worst crime, but not his only one. Under Hitler's direction, the German air force carried out bombing attacks against London that killed thousands. The German army marched right to the shores of the English Channel. You'd think that the British royals would have a sensitivity to all things Nazi that far surpasses what we feel on our side of the ocean. You'd guess that Harry's act would be doubly offensive in Great Britain. Yet, all of the coverage I read--including British coverage--is framed only in terms of the holocaust.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 07:19:37 PM EST
    Strange that Harry's father, Prince Philip (AKA Philip Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg) never used Harry's Nazi Uncles (Philip's Sisters' husbands) as a point of departure for a conversation about what the Nazis did...

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 07:26:05 PM EST
    Some British MP is calling for Harry to withdraw his application to I guess english equivalent of westpoint. I think that's a mistake. Kids do do stupid things when they're young, we all do. And he has apparently, relatively swiftly apologized. I do think it's a good idea for him to spend sometime at a Holocaust museum, and then to let this pass. OTOH, examine science fiction author Theodore Beale and his anonymous Blog Vox Popoli. http://voxday.blogspot.com/ As Vox Day, Theodore Beale has spent several days making some really stupid anti-semitic comments. When this was pointed out to him, the blogger has merely defended himself while name calling all those that disagreed with him. I believe a reasonable reaction to Prince Harry is to thank him for his apology, and let him spend time at a Holocaust Museum and with survivors, Jewish, Gypsy, Gay, .... I believe a reasonable reaction to Theodore Beale is to make sure that Google is made well aware of his bigotry, anti-semitism, and his inability to apologize for his wrongs.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 08:35:16 PM EST
    Prince Charles is Harry's father

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#9)
    by Darryl Pearce on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 08:39:28 PM EST
    Well, give it another 90 years, and somebody'll be saying it's "Heritage not Hate." When I visited the Holocaust Museum in Los Angelese, I asked one of the docents (a survivor) if the museum was demonizing the nazi's too much. He said, "No. But be clear we're telling you history."

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#10)
    by Al on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 09:06:04 PM EST
    Surely Harry should have learned enough history in school to know that many of his countrymen fought bravely and gave their lives to protect his country from the Nazis. Surely even a little twit like Harry should understand that he's living in a free country thanks to the people who fought against that very uniform. When will Britain kick these idiots in their royal derriere's as they so richly deserve, take away their millions and leave them to - gasp - earn their own living by working? Why are British taxpayers subsidizing these useless nincompoops? Apology my foot; kick the little idiot out on the street and put him to work.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 09:10:31 PM EST
    Harry neither mentally challenged nor left to his own devices. Certainly the boys have valets with sufficient IQs to advise them against behavior that might be deemed inappropriate. The ruling crows needed a diversion from a serious matter, thus trot out the scandalous royal to make a story. Look at the grouse, look at the grouse.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 09:15:45 PM EST
    Small point, but I think the swastika on his armband is backwards.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#13)
    by wishful on Thu Jan 13, 2005 at 09:53:20 PM EST
    If Harry is so uninformed, I would bet you that he is not the only 20 yr old that would benefit from some education. Maybe his "very public" holocaust visit can be very well covered by the press both in England and the U.S. to help all the young uns along, for the good of all the world. Oh wait, the press has its own agenda. Never mind.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#15)
    by bad Jim on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:20:08 AM EST
    No one would have objected if he'd shown up at a costume party representing Death or the devil, nor should they. The Nazis, being real and not yet a distant memory, are another matter.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 02:51:07 AM EST
    He went to a costume party wearing the uniform of an SS Offcier, complete with swatstika. That wasn't an SS uniform (which would have been black, with skull&crossbones on the collar), but the khaki Afrikakorps uniform (which incidentally didn't come with a swastika armband, that was only for the SS and party uniforms).

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 02:53:50 AM EST
    A question, following on from Bad Jim's comment: Is it the fact that it was a member of the Royal Family dressing up as a Nazi that people find offensive? Or is the idea of dressing up as a Nazi always offensive, whoever does it? What about people who dress up as other "evil" characters? Would dressing up as Stalin be equally offensive? Or Pol Pot? Or Osama bin Laden? How many people have dressed up as bin Laden in the Halloweens following Sept 11th? Quite a few, as I recall... Is it just jokes about Nazis that are beyond the pale? Why is that?

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 03:07:10 AM EST
    No political content in this post. Haven't bothered to look closely at Harry's swatstika but if it is backwards as Brian Baru notes then it is a Hundi symbol of good luck. You see see lots of them in Indian areas during Duwali. The swatstika or "crooked cross" is an ancient human symbol. It's a shame it has been turned into a symbol of evil. A guess another 20yrs and this will start to fade. As to Harry, he is a teenage punk rocker, cut him some slack. He's not the first to wear that uniform to a FANCY DRESS (not Nazi) party. I'm not a great fan of the British (German) Royal family but come on, the guy's a student!

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 05:14:09 AM EST
    In my (much) younger days I went to a costume party in Chapel Hill (town slogan: Marx was a Republican) where I actually saw a man dressed as a Nazi. Ok, well, actually he was cross-dressed as Madonna (black corset and bustier days) with a mustache and an SS hat, but I remember at the time thinking I'd never seen a man dressed as a Nazi. -C

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 06:19:49 AM EST
    Obviuosly, the costume is in extremely poor taste and an apology was in order. However, the media shouldn't make a federal case out of it (but they will). There are atrocities going down every day that go unmentioned, but the media will cover the hell out of a rich kid wearing a costume reminding us of a 60 yr. old atrocity. Because "royalty gone wild" sells tabloids.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 07:40:26 AM EST
    Is it just jokes about Nazis that are beyond the pale? Why is that?
    In thinking about this, it seems that the people you will be associating with during dress-up is extremely relevant. Probably few NY Firemen went to their Halloween parties as Osama. Similarly, I suspect few Cambodians think "Hmmm...Pol Pot...they'll love it"! Mostly I believe the context is relevant in the sense of how the costume will be received. In America, if you decide to dress as a Southern Slave Owner for a costume party, you probably won't be cruisin' by the brothers to say hi. However it might be a hit with the pickup truck/gun rack/Confed. flag group (oops. I mean ...ahem... Nascar Dads). The worst statement about Harry's choice is that he obviously expected the kids at the party to find this amusing. What it says about English upper-class culture is that it is still sufficiently insular and anti-Semitic enough for Harry to be a hit in this dress. He clearly didn't expect to be bumping into anyone who would be insulted at this party. He also wouldn't have chosen this particular costume (at least one prays he wouldn't)when making a public appearance. Oy!

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 07:55:48 AM EST
    Well, of course it is a big deal. Harry is not just another twenty year old. He is third in line to the British throne. His entire existence is completely subsidized by the British people and he needs to act like it every second of his useless life or get a real job. The theme of the party (colony and native) was typically British upper class insensitivity and racist (I'm sure there were a bunch of other costumes that would have made David Duke uncomfortable). His freaking brother went to the party with him and he's supposed to be the smart and responsible one. Couldn't/shouldn't he have told his brother, "that's a really stupid idea for a costume, Bro. Besides it doesn't even fit the theme." Just another reason to get rid of the royal family and confiscate all their assets. A thousand years of divine right is long enough. Does anyone really believe that God has chosen these idiots to rule England?

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#23)
    by desertswine on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 08:01:03 AM EST
    Prince Charles is Harry's father
    Or... is he? Anyway Harry is going to visit Aushwitz after his skiing vacation in Andorra.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 08:05:35 AM EST
    Ferder - Actually, the Royal Family is enormously wealthy and pays the upkeep on all their property. They also pay for all their personal security, etc, etc. I believe that the British Gov't picks up the tab for security at state functions, but that is pretty much chickenfeed. I think that the Royals are still excempt from estate/inheritance tax but now pay property tax and income tax - the Queen volunteered them for it. Inbred boneheads, probably so. Drains on the economy, probably not. -C

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 08:08:19 AM EST
    I can understand outrage by the British people about financially supporting the royal family, but that outrage should exist regardless of the prince's choice in costume. I have often wondered why Britain keeps them around, especially since nowadays they seem to be more a source of scandal than of national pride.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 08:39:13 AM EST
    mfox writes - "However it might be a hit with the pickup truck/gun rack/Confed. flag group (oops. I mean ...ahem... Nascar Dads)." A perfect example why northeastern politicians and most others, can't win in the south. No, mfox, it wouldn't. We're all grown up down here, and we would think it in very poor taste. Just as most people think a man who might be king wearing a nazi uniform, for any reason, was. Harry and mfox. Dumb and dumber. You pick'em.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 08:56:01 AM EST
    i never understood the love for the royal family the british (and the canadians) have. my welsh great grandmother hated the british but, inexplicably, loved the royal family. despite britain's takeover of wales and oppression of the welsh, my great grandma bought all of the tins and plates and things - especially if they had charles and diana on them. i wanted to ask her what the deal is - i mean, who was it st david was fighting when he put the leek on??? but she was prone to boxing ears, so i kept my mouth shut. harry is a numbskull for thinking this was a good idea. but most teenage boys are numbskulls. i am glad his dad is taking him to auschwitz- and perhaps talking to him about all of the people who died because of the nazi's. i personally think dressing up like any of these people is tasteless and offensive (pol pot, osama bin laden, hitler, stalin, etc). but that's just me. freedom of expression allows anyone to dress up as anything - but people in the public eye, particularly those who are leaders of countries and whatnot, need to respect the peope the represent.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimcee on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 09:03:11 AM EST
    Yeah, Prince Harry is a moron and probably has a low IQ. What I'm surprized at is that someone in the Royal household just told him no. But bad taste is bad taste just ask Burlington Coat Factory with their ad with a kid wearing one of those "cool" Che T-shirts and again who was the moron who thought that was a good idea? Those who forget history.....

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 09:22:28 AM EST
    Sorry PPJ, the broad generalization I used implied that all Southerners who drive pickup trucks with gun racks and Confederate flags in the back are racist as are Nascar dads and that the two "groups" are interchangeable. That wasn't fair or accurate. Especially since there are a lot of Black folks who drive pickup trucks with gun racks and Confed. flags in the south, and undoubtedly a lot of blacks are Nascar fans. Apologies for offending anyone. I won't do it again if you promise not to assume that I'm a stereotypically out of touch elitist Northeast liberal.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 09:23:08 AM EST
    Harry's a git! He's damn well, third in line to the Throne. Being Throne-sitter also means Head of The Church of England as well as Head of State of The U.K., and also some Commonwealth countries such as Australia, Canada, New Zealand and more than a handful of others. It'd be like the President and Cheney karking it and, according to U.S. law, the third guy down being made President (whoever that is?). Stick a swastika armband on that guy and see what happens? Harry's education must be woefully lacking, considering the resources and opportunities he has to be tutored on ANY topic. Also, his damn staff, who watched him walk out the door like that, need a swift kick up the butt and then promptly fired! Dumb gits, all-round. And if Wills was at that party, and said or did nothing, he needs a kick up his princely arse, too. That'd be like Cheney seeing the swastika wearing 'third guy down', clinking their champers glasses and saying, "Down the hatch," with nary a problem about it.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#31)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 09:29:08 AM EST
    By the Way, I believe the Brits have a royal family because they don't have Hollywood. At least they have the good sense to keep them out of real politics. Humans seem to have an innate compulsion to create a leader and then to deify them to varying degrees. The Brits love their royals and subsidize them with taxpayer money. We love our Movie Stars and pay them outrageous fortunes. Especially when they're dressed up for Oscar Night! Tribal cultures "elect" chiefs then adorn them with luxuries and tithe them a larger share of communal food, etc. As yukky as it sounds, we love hero-worship at some level.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 09:40:35 AM EST
    Comparing a Che T-shirt to a nazi uniform? C'mon jimcee, your stretching things to further your anti-socialist stance. Hitler was about killing people, Che was about helping people. Whether Che was misguided or sucessful is up to debate, but his intentions unquestionably good. Hitler's intentions were not. I've read a little bit about Che, you should know there is more to history than the US version. I tend to try to learn about all sides, and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 09:40:42 AM EST
    Oops... my mistake. The Prez, Cheney, and the next person, would have to kark it before you get to the swastika-wearing party-goer. That'd be the equivalent of the third in line to the 'Big, Pommy Potty-Chair'.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 10:17:59 AM EST
    While it's always good to talk about the Holocaust, nobody seems to talk about the other thing Prince Harry should remember about the Nazis: they bombed the crap out of his homeland.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#35)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 11:03:57 AM EST
    Ferder - Actually, the Royal Family is enormously wealthy and pays the upkeep on all their property. They also pay for all their personal security, etc, etc. No, they don't. They receive government salaries and the government pays for all upkeep on most of their properties and their staff and security. They are incredibly wealthy because they used to own the entire country because God gave it to them (Charles still officially owns the entire county of Cornwall). Everything they own they own because they stole it from someone else. They pay as much or as little taxes as they decide they want to pay. They are literally above the law. If they renounced all the real property that they acquired through "divine right" I would find that acceptable.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#36)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 12:11:52 PM EST
    "Divine Right" is just so 14th century. It is now the 21st century, if I was a British citizen I'd demand they get real jobs too.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:46:39 PM EST
    If Harry dressed as a rabbi, would that have been kosher? How about as Sharon, who genocides Palestinians?

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#38)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 02:38:05 PM EST
    out of curiosity; can 'genocide' be used as an action verb? i thought it was like homicide... can i be 'homociding'? seriously, i think when you are in public office (as prince harry is) you must respect those you lead. so, no, sharon would not be appropriate. and yeah, that does limit your costume choices. but them's the breaks for royalty.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 03:14:15 PM EST
    jazmine writes - "If Harry dressed as a rabbi, would that have been kosher? How about as Sharon, who genocides Palestinians?" Would that be before, or after, they have killed a busload of women and chiledren in Tel Aviv? You know, I find the acceptance of the terrorist by some on the Left amazing.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#40)
    by pigwiggle on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 03:18:00 PM EST
    Natives and Colonials? Good Christ, I can see it now; handle bar mustaches and muskets, low bent turban wrapped servants in blackface. And the SS uniform was in bad taste? It sound appropriate and fitting; nothing out of place there.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 03:36:17 PM EST
    I would have liked to see him as a Zulu warrior!

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#42)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 03:48:52 PM EST
    Genocide is a coinage, kelite, but jazmine is wrong, you cannot 'genocide' individuals, by definition. The Sharon racist policy is certainly genocide, under the same 'collective guilt' theory of Rush Limbaugh, pigwiggle, Adolph Hitler, Stalin, and a bunch of other evil 'genociders.' So lovely to come to TL for the daily dose of ipecac from the raving, self-congratulatory racists. Sharing the smirk with Nazis, as Prince Harry, son of a sociopath, did -- that's OK with the Hate American Values crowd that visits here in the hope that they can score a rhetorical victory that will momentarily cover up the empty moral vastness of the Bush Tsunami. Have some more Ambien -- then maybe you can forget that your posts and your faces are sure to be in some genocide museum in the future, just like Harry's pals, who rode high in their time, for exactly the same reasons. Nazis über Alles. --

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#43)
    by jimcee on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 04:10:18 PM EST
    Kdog, Perhaps you have read a liitle about Che and his merry band murderers and it shows. Did you read the part where he became Castro's executioner and murdered thousands, many with the coupe de grace of a bullet in the head delivered by that helpful "doctor" Che. Or did you catch the part where he took some people on a tour of his gulag and took pride in showing them the wall covered with blood of innocents that he ordered killed. He was scum in the same way Stalin and Hitler were and Castro still is, willing to execute innocent people to "help" the "masses". Your defence of him speaks volumns of your own pious indifferce towards basic human freedoms not to mention lives. I guess it's OK to kill people if they don't go along with your particular political schemes. Sheesh, what's next a defense of Vladd Tepesh? Man.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#44)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 05:02:57 PM EST
    "Just another reason to get rid of the royal family and confiscate all their assets." Freder, you'd do Robespierre and Lenin proud. I'm disappointed in you, mfox. You were off to a great post until you took that uncalled for swipe at Nascar fanns. Jazmine, you can't be serious.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#45)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 05:25:21 PM EST
    Freder, you'd do Robespierre and Lenin proud. I don't want to see their heads on a pike. I just want to see them admit that God has not given them the divine right to rule the British Empire. They have not earned anything they have and do not deserve any of the wealth they have. They need to give their wealth back to the people from whom they have stolen it and learn how to make a living. I say that as a British and American Citizen. We got rid of the bums over 200 years ago. The rest of the Empire should realize how smart we were.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#46)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 06:23:57 PM EST
    Freder, your ideas are a bit too socialist for my taste. Even Oz voted against a republic. Let the British people decide democratically.

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 06:50:53 AM EST
    Sorta makes me miss Billy Beer. Well we do have the Bush twins . . .

    Re: Prince Harry's in the Doghouse (none / 0) (#48)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Jan 24, 2005 at 07:42:47 PM EST
    I think it was stupid for everyone to have a huge hissyfit over a costume. It just shows how little privacy people like him have. I mean jesus Christ they keep saying how now he might not be accepted into a military academy. And that any other person would automatically not be allowed in the academy. But really ould anyone find out if a normal person wore that costume.