Wednesday Open Thread

Hillary calls Trump a "creep" in her new book. She describes the second debate, the one where he stalked her all over the stage:

“This is not okay, I thought,” Clinton said, reading from her book. “It was the second presidential debate and Donald Trump was looming behind me. Two days before, the world heard him brag about groping women. Now we were on a small stage and no matter where I walked, he followed me closely, staring at me, making faces.

“It was incredibly uncomfortable. He was literally breathing down my neck. My skin crawled. It was one of those moments where you wish you could hit pause and ask everyone watching, ‘Well, what would you do?’ Do you stay calm, keep smiling and carry on as if he weren’t repeatedly invading your space? Or do you turn, look him in the eye and say loudly and clearly, ‘Back up, you creep. Get away from me. I know you love to intimidate women, but you can’t intimidate me, so back up.’”

Jared Kushner is in Cairo. His meeting with the foreign minister was cancelled because the day before, Rex Tillerson told Egypt the U.S. was canceling $95 million in foreign aid due to Egypt's poor record on human rights violations. Does Trump's right foot know what his left foot is doing? Why is Jared wasting our money?

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    I heard that excerpt this morning; (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 11:51:46 AM EST
    I can't be the only one who would have cheered if she had confronted him like that in the debate.

    And it seems I may want to read the book after all...

    As for Jared - from what I gather, he isn't exactly a great steward of other people's money - does anyone imagine he sees what he's doing as a waste of money?

    And if Trump gave a damn about anything other than himself, he might had staffed the various departments so they could do their jobs; we have a skeleton crew trying to keep things going, so it's a wonder the government hasn't shut down for that reason alone.

    Longest. Seven. Months. Ever.

    You're right about her book Anne. (none / 0) (#3)
    by fishcamp on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 01:04:37 PM EST
    I read on my iPad and I'm now going to order it.  I still need ammo with the gym guys.

    And oculus it sounds like you San Diego folks are mad about the Chargers fleeing to L.A. with  those knee-capping thoughts.


    Do I give a flying (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 05:32:38 PM EST
    f*c* about the L .A. Chargers?

    Well, (none / 0) (#16)
    by NYShooter on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 07:06:57 PM EST
    maybe not a flying f*c*.

    Arpaio will get a pardon. (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 04:17:30 PM EST
    Cheeto didn't do it yesterday. But gave every indication that it will happen. Can there be a more tone deaf so-called person on this planet?

    Trump is (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 05:06:28 PM EST
    pitch perfect as President of the Base. A pardon for Trump's old birther buddy is catnip for his sulfurous nativists and white nationalists. Reporting is that the White House has prepared the paper work and talking points for a pardon (not appropriate to send him to prison for enforcing the law and working to keep people safe).

    Even if this reprehensible action does not come to fruition, Trump has layered amends for his "Monday" Charlottsville statement which may have offended the very fine people marching as, or with, Nazis.

     Arpaio, the former sheriff (defeated in the Nov election) has yet to be sentenced (Oct 5, 2017) for being found guilty by a federal judge for contempt after a year-long saga over discriminatory policing tactics.

     Arpaio ignored a court order to stop racially profiling Latinos. Arpaio just scoffed at the federal judge's order. And, Trump at law and order.


    i would expect (none / 0) (#19)
    by linea on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 08:41:35 PM EST
    that president trump waits until arpaio is sentenced by the judge. them trump 'commutess' the sentence. it's a misdemeanour. there is no need to 'grant clemency.'

    though i'm strugging with: clemency v. pardon v. commute.


    Technical vocabulary lesson alert (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Peter G on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 09:45:16 PM EST
    All forms of executive relief from conviction or sentence are in the general category called "clemency." The types of clemency are: pardon (forgiveness, which relieves the conviction entirely, or if granted in advance prevents conviction); commutation (shortening of prison sentence or conversion of sentence from one form to another, such as death sentence to life imprisonment, or imprisonment to probation); remission (elimination or reduction of financial penalties, such as fines); and reprieve (postponement of punishment, as the governor of Missouri did with a death sentence yesterday, to allow further consideration of new DNA evidence). In the Constitution, the President's authority to grant clemency is limited to federal cases, and is referred to as the Pardon Power. State constitutions typically confer this power on the Governor, with respect to state-court crimes. It is one of the very few ancient, sovereign powers of the British King (or Queen) that the Framers of the Constitution decided to retain and confer on the President.

    He will give Arpaio (none / 0) (#20)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 08:50:08 PM EST
    a full pardon. Not clemency. Not a commutation of sentence. A full pardon says it never happened. That will be sheriff Joe's reward for loyalty.

    Well, after all (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 09:36:58 PM EST
    Trump has replaced Jefferson Davis as the president of the Confederate States of America. The only difference is that Trump doesn't realize that the CSA no longer exists.

    If only HRC had (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 11:32:50 AM EST
    knee-capped him. Definitely creepy.  

    Trump worries about Egypt's human rights violations but not his own.

    It certainly would have helped her (none / 0) (#5)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 02:18:29 PM EST
    Failing to act under pressure probably hurt her.  

    "Failing to act under pressure" (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Yman on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 03:53:02 PM EST
    If she had told him to back off, the wingers/media would've claimed she "snapped under pressure!".

    Too funny.


    ... or the moderators (none / 0) (#11)
    by Nemi on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 05:31:07 PM EST
    had stopped him. I always wondered why they allowed him to stalk and intimidate her like that. And of course in doing so they could have chosen a more, ehm, moderate language than what she considered. :)

    Governor stays execution of Marcellus Williams (none / 0) (#6)
    by McBain on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 03:08:18 PM EST
    because of  new DNA evidence
    A spokesman for the governor said the stay will remain in place as long it's necessary for the case's review and for the governor to make a final decision.
    Greitens' decision Tuesday was praised by the Innocence Project, which assisted Williams' lawyers in asking the governor to convene the board.

    Let's get our stuff together people (none / 0) (#10)
    by vicndabx on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 05:20:45 PM EST
    maybe learn to coalesce earlier around a leading candidate?  At the very least, do not let the primary process beat up our candidates to the point they are weakened in a GE.

    We are now discovering more about the destructive aftermath of Bernie Sanders's negative campaigning: More than 20% of Sanders voters did not vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election.

    It's one thing for Republicans to smear and demonize Hillary Clinton. That was to be expected. It's another altogether for the supposedly non-partisan news media to side with her opponents, or for a candidate on the left to teach young progressives to despise her.


    Column by (none / 0) (#13)
    by Nemi on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 05:45:10 PM EST
    Rex Huppke at Chicago Tribune, An apology to Donald Trump, from the 'fake news' media:

    ... I regret having you say the following about clean coal: "They're going to take out clean coal, meaning they're taking out coal, they're gonna clean it."

    Upon further reflection, that statement made it sound like you haven't the foggiest idea what the term "clean coal" means and are quite unintelligent. That is 100 percent my bad. Perhaps with time we can mend the damage my recklessness has done to your reputation ...

    There goes the fake media again (none / 0) (#14)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 06:36:56 PM EST
    'Formenting' dissent against the guy with the best brain and all the best words.

    Upon much thought I have one question.. (none / 0) (#15)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 06:43:29 PM EST
    Do wight dragons breath fire or ice?

    And now we know the opening credits were the literal demonstration of the amazing Westeros teleporter! Right under our noses all these years.

    This finale will be something else. I have no idea what to expect - so don't tell me if you have seen the leaks. Speculation welcome though- will Sam or Bran break the news about Jon's parentage? I really want to see what happens when Dany realizes he has more claim to the throne than she does, because, you know, MAN!

    And what does Cersei have planned? I cannot imagine.

    Can't wait.

    PS I am ignoring the creepus in chief on purpose.

    Blue ice fire is my guess (none / 0) (#17)
    by vicndabx on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 07:19:31 PM EST
    also, why hasn't Dani trained the dragons to lookout for large spears?

    Exactly! Even Cersei's non-magic (none / 0) (#18)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 07:37:45 PM EST
    arrow took one out of the sky. Much hubris in the mother of dragons.

    Why didn't (none / 0) (#25)
    by ragebot on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 11:03:08 PM EST
    Jamie die.  He falls/is knocked into the water in the middle of a battle in full armor and a hand made of gold, yet he and Bron manage to swim at least a couple of miles, with Jamie still in full armor, avoiding the Dothraki hoard.

    Then the next week Jon gets the slobber knocked out of him, falls into freezing water, in full armor, and manages to crawl out and is saved from a huge white walker army.

    I know this is fiction but at some point reality does raise it's ugly head.


    Trouble in (none / 0) (#23)
    by ragebot on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 10:56:16 PM EST
    St. Louis.

    Still waiting for more facts but looks like LEOs were called to dispute between neighbors, found a guy with serious knife wounds (now in serious condition in hospital) who said next door neighbor did it.  LEOs went next door and found perp who brandished a "large kitchen knife", cut one of the LEOs on the arm, and the two LEOs responded by firing multiple rounds into the perp who was a transgendered black man killing him.

    At a rally later that night some protestors were hit by a slow moving car, with what seem to be only minor injuries.

    Still waiting for more details.

    RIP Japanese actor Hiruo Nakajuma... (none / 0) (#24)
    by desertswine on Wed Aug 23, 2017 at 11:02:28 PM EST