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    Going to be an interesting election (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:27:37 PM EST
    In two years that is

    Rand Paul WSJ OpEd

    Those wanting a U.S. war in Syria could not clearly show a U.S. national interest then, and they have been proven foolish now. A more realistic foreign policy would recognize that there are evil people and tyrannical regimes in this world, but also that America cannot police or solve every problem across the globe. Only after recognizing the practical limits of our foreign policy can we pursue policies that are in the best interest of the U.S.

    The Islamic State represents a threat that should be taken seriously. But we should also recall how recent foreign-policy decisions have helped these extremists so that we don't make the same mistake of potentially aiding our enemies again.

    DNC Response

    "It's disappointing that Rand Paul, as a Senator and a potential presidential candidate, blames America for all the problems in the world, while offering reckless ideas that would only alienate us from the global community.

    "Unfortunately, this is nothing new for Paul. Last week he criticized American policy to the president of another country on foreign soil. This week he's blaming the Obama Administration for another nation's civil war. That type of "blame America" rhetoric may win Paul accolades at a conference of isolationists but it does nothing to improve our standing in the world. In fact, Paul's proposals would make America less safe and less secure.

    "Simply put, if Rand Paul had a foreign policy slogan, it would be - The Rand Paul Doctrine:  Blame America. Retreat from the World."

    Greenwald

    Look at how the DNC is attacking Rand Paul's foreign policy - *exactly how Jeanne Kirkpatrick attacked The Left


    Wow, no wonder I'm in a horrible mood (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:30:51 PM EST
    We have hit one of those inside out upside down cycles :). Something's in retrograde!!!

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    "Border Crisis" update... (4.75 / 4) (#1)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:08:55 PM EST
    2,200 immigrant minors have been relocated to Long Island so far, reunited with family.  

    No crisis, negligible impact on social services.   All is well, despite all that white whine.

    White whine :) (none / 0) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:19:53 PM EST
    I love it! It's just not as good for your heart as other whines are :)

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    From closed thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by ragebot on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:09:24 PM EST
     Probably no fingerprints on the gun.  But it will be interesting to see.  On the other hand the if Brown did grab the weapon there is a better chance he left some DNA.  There is also a claim that Brown was cut on his right hand and that is explained by his grabbing the weapon while it was being fired.

    link

    I am still looking for a source confirming there was a cut on Brown's hand.  Anyone have such a link, or a link that there was no cut on Brown's hand.

    Not saying I completely trust the link, just that I have not seen reports that there was a cut on Brown's hand until this link and a few others from similar sources.

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    Too lazy to look for it, (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:16:50 PM EST
    but iirc Baden said Brown's hands did not have injuries.

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    but iirc (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:57:32 PM EST
    but iirc Baden said Brown's hands did not have injuries.

    except for the gun shot into the palm of his right hand.

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    Yes, except for that. (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:09:46 PM EST
    Ah. Just maybe the gunshot wound (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:18:07 PM EST
    to the hand obliterated the pre-existing abrasion.

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    Wouldn't it have to be a pretty big GS wound? (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:30:19 PM EST
    I mean after all he was a HUGE guy, so he MUST have had HUGE hands!!!! Plus, remember, HE BROKE THE GUY'S EYE!!!! so it would seem he would have extensive damage to his knuckles, along with the cut he got while trying to STEAL the officer's weapon . . .  just sayin'  :P

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    Way too complicated. Meanwhile, the NYT reports (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:54:08 PM EST
    family of a Caucasian victim of an officer-involved shooting is upset the incident is not getting as much attention as Michael Brown's is.

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    There you go, certainly possible. (none / 0) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:24:32 PM EST
    ::head desk:: (none / 0) (#44)
    by sj on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:03:15 PM EST
    Ah. Just maybe the gunshot wound  (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:18:07 PM MDT

    to the hand obliterated the pre-existing abrasion.



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    SUOO (none / 0) (#9)
    by ragebot on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:06:29 PM EST
    I remember that as well but Baden was talking about what seemed to be Brown using his closed fist to strike Wilson from what I remember.

    I have also never seen the report, only the drawing of where the gun shots hit.  Baden did say something about abrasions on Brown's face consistent with falling after the fatal shot.

    Anyone know if the entire report is online anywhere.

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    afaik, the entire Baden report (none / 0) (#26)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:09:27 PM EST
    was the diagram he showed to the press and whatever he and his assistant said about it.

    He was hired by the Brown family to determine the cause of death and whether Brown suffered. afaik, Baden did exactly what he was asked to do, which essentially entailed a visual analysis of the body.

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    Megyn Kelly, Mark Furman = Oy. (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:35:10 PM EST
    you need to find better linkage . . . and sources.

    just sayin'.

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    How about linking to a copy of the actual autopsy (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by MO Blue on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:50:35 PM EST
    report that states Brown had a cut on his right hand.

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    here's the thing (2.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CST on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:15:43 PM EST
    about the whole "reached for the gun" issue.  If he did go for the gun - wouldn't that be a further indication to the police officer that he was unarmed?

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    After the overly confrontational (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:48:09 PM EST
    way in which this whole episode started, I don't understand why Brown's "reaching for" or "struggling for" or "attempting to get control of" the gun is assumed to be with the intent to harm the officer, and not with the intent to prevent the cop from shooting him.

    Especially if Johnson is correct that Wilson was saying, "I'm gonna shoot you."  Given all the other bad decisions Wilson had made that served only to escalate the situation, I think Brown had every reason to be afraid, and no reason to think that the cop would not find a reason to use the weapon no matter what Brown did while his head was inside the vehicle.

    There's a lot of talk about self-defense on the part of Wilson, but at what point does Brown fear for his own life at the hands of a cop who's clearly out of control, and have the right to protect himself?

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    No, it would just mean that he (2.00 / 1) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:57:10 PM EST
    wanted to disarm Wilson.

    See how our bias changes things??

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    yay... jimakappj is here...... (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by magster on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:11:30 PM EST
    Boo Hiss!! (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Angel on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:38:20 PM EST
    I posted late in the closed thread .... (none / 0) (#5)
    by magster on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:28:07 PM EST
    that the video texting site Glide.com confirmed time stamp of audio to be right at the time of shooting.

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    Glide Confirmation (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:33:40 PM EST
    Yep and let's put it up for all to see:

    "In this case, the video in question was created at 12:02:14 PM CDT on Saturday, August 9th."

    Wilson encountered the two jaywalkers at 12:01 and was standing over one of them with an emptied smoking gun at 12:03.

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    were not dubbed onto the tape at a different time?

    I know, I know, I'm evil.

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    Ahhh . . . (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:35:19 PM EST
    you must be looking for that second time stamp referring to when the file was 'modified', eh?   :P

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    he'll suss it all out in a jiffy.

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    What a hack. (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:55:05 PM EST
    Yup. I guess you do get what you pay for. (none / 0) (#58)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:34:39 PM EST
    Yes. (none / 0) (#37)
    by magster on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:38:46 PM EST
    Glide has also posted a note on its Web site. In a brief chat with the Erik Wemple Blog, Haas said, "The question we are being asked is is this authentic and the answer is absolutely." Notification to the FBI, said Haas, "is taking place."

    What Glade could not confirm is what your definition of "threat" is.

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    So, I guess that's two of us! (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:40:01 PM EST
    :-)

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    The retired medical examiner hired (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:12:44 PM EST
    by the Brown family would have noted this on his diagram.

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    The retired medical examiner hired (none / 0) (#17)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:39:04 PM EST
    by the Brown family would have noted this on his diagram.

    You're right.

    People may be confusing the gunshot that he marked on the diagram as the result of a bullet into the palm of his hand for a cut from the gun.

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    Cut on hand??? (none / 0) (#13)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:26:45 PM EST
    There is also a claim that Brown was cut on his right hand and that is explained by his grabbing the weapon while it was being fired.

    How would that jive with the ME reporting that there was no GSR on Brown's body -- arms, forearms, hands, wrist, nowhere -- meaning that the gun had to be atleast 2 feet away from him when fired.

    If there was a cut on his hands shouldn't that be noted in his autopsy???

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    The body was at the mortuary and had been (none / 0) (#29)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:12:21 PM EST
    embalmed by the time Baden saw it, are you sure the mortuary had not also cleaned the body?

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    Mortuaries (none / 0) (#45)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:06:13 PM EST
    Mortuaries don't clean bodies before scheduled autopsies.

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    autopsies?

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    I don't see why they would (none / 0) (#49)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:12:58 PM EST
    you don't have to have a body embalmed . . .

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    County, Private, FBI (none / 0) (#50)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:20:06 PM EST
    Uh, what does that mean? (none / 0) (#56)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:34:08 PM EST
    Referring to the three different (none / 0) (#59)
    by Peter G on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:09:21 PM EST
    autopsies, I believe.

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    Question for sarcastic (none / 0) (#51)
    by Palli on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:25:04 PM EST
    Is Wilson right or left handed?  Same question for Brown.

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    Another question (none / 0) (#53)
    by Palli on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:29:17 PM EST
    I never heard: When Wilson left sometime between 12:47 and 1:30 how did he leave the scene? In what car? Alone?

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    specifics of the 10-20 seconds of the actual confrontation.

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    Dunno for sure. (none / 0) (#54)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:31:36 PM EST
    iirc, Brown used his right hand to grab the store clerk's shirt and shove him. If so, probably righty? Can probably confirm from video.

    Should also be able to confirm which side hip has Wilson's gun in holster in one of the pics/vids of him.

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    Phuck this (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:25:27 PM EST
    Another bullet dispatched kid dead for walking while black and I'm back to trying to find nonexistent black youth finger prints on guns again?  Just shoot me now!  Get it over with!  Stop dragging it out with the daily threat!

    I am in a vile mood tonight!  Too much bull$hit.  I've gone Furgeson!

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    HRC and Citizens United (none / 0) (#6)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:47:12 PM EST
    No executive order, but would support an amendment reversing the decision.

    While eying a potential presidential run that would surely be boosted by deep-pocketed super PACs, Hillary Clinton said Monday evening that she's open to supporting a constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision, which opened the door to the outside groups and the flood of money that poured into the political process with them.

    Taking questions from Facebook users at the social media giant's California headquarters Monday evening, Clinton expressed some interest in the idea. "I would consider supporting an amendment among these lines that would prevent the abuse of our political system by excessive amounts of money if there is no other way to deal with the Citizen's United decision," she said in response to a question on the measure.

    MSNBC

    Question for you, Squeaks (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by NYShooter on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:01:20 PM EST
    Do you know if any Supreme Court Justice has ever been impeached? Starting with the Gore/Bush treasonous decision, followed by countless "crimes against humanity," and, up to the C.U. monstrosity, this Court has set itself apart from all others.

    The Republicans have no problem threatening President Obama for the most childish, nonsensical crap, why not let the Supremes know that their ant-American decisions will be noted, if not for actual change, at least for posterity?  

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    Supreme Court (none / 0) (#18)
    by Zorba on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:44:12 PM EST
    Associate Justice Samuel Chase was impeached, but was acquitted by the Senate in 1805.
    Link.
    I'm old enough to remember the whole "Impeach Earl Warren" push, too, but that never went anywhere in Congress.

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    ... who was appointed to the High Court by President George Washington in 1796, was impeached by the U.S. House in late 1804 on eight counts involving various cases over which he presided while serving as a federal circuit court judge. (U.S. Supreme Court justices used to pull double duty back in the day, and also served as trial judges until the latter part of the 19th century.) He was subsequently acquitted in the Senate on all charges in March 1805, and remains the only member of the U.S. Supreme Court to have ever been impeached.

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    Hey DfromH (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:54:52 PM EST
    LTNS

    How are you?

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    Yo, thanks (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by NYShooter on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:58:33 PM EST
    and, you, MS, Zorba

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    "I would consider supporting,..." (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:15:22 PM EST
    Wiggle room there.

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    Plus, saying you support a constituional amendmen (5.00 / 5) (#14)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:30:24 PM EST
    these days is pretty safe since it will assuredly never happen. You can get points for supporting it though.

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    Citizens United (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:50:08 PM EST
    I could see as one that might actually get the votes for an amendment.  
    But I don't disagree with you.

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    But, you may recall (none / 0) (#46)
    by NYShooter on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:06:17 PM EST
    a while back, I fantasized about how The Left, and, the Tea Party might meet "in the middle" on some issues. Anti Wall Street and Anti-Corruption are two issues the T.P. feels very strongly about.

    I hinted in my previous post that even if the attempt was unsuccessful, the publicity itself would have a positive effect, and, might just send a worrisome message to those pompous blowhards on the S.C. Right.

    Hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained. What demographic group doesn't "get" that leaving our [s]elected officials up to the oligarchs is a bad, bad idea?

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    I do (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:12:32 PM EST
    It would be interesting to see if there was unity.

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    Hillary supporting (none / 0) (#10)
    by ragebot on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:08:15 PM EST
    a constitutional amendment is a far cry from repealing Citizens United.  I really don't see enough agreement on any issue to amend the constitution.

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    Depending on what (none / 0) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:14:12 PM EST
    happens in the house there probably could be a law passed to pretty much neuter the stupid decsion. The GOP could then spend a lot of time and money taking that one to court to see what happens.

    I have never in my lifetime seen a court that RESTRICTS the rights of citizens in this country. These Reagan Bush appointees are going to probably being the butt of jokes for years after they're gone.

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    For No Good Reason (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:08:55 PM EST
    TRAILER

    `For No Good Reason' is a visually stunning unique biographical study of Ralph Steadman, whose art rose to prominence during his collaborations with writer Hunter S Thompson. In the finest Gonzo tradition questions of witness and authenticity are constantly challenged, as the film smashes narrative conventions, moving seamlessly from interview to animation and soundscape.

    Johnny Depp is a friend and thought‐provoking observer of Ralph's art who inspires insight as the film unfolds. Unseen intimate footage of Hunter S Thompson, much of it filmed by Ralph himself, reveals their deep life‐long friendship and true working relationship. Additional contributions include; Terry Gilliam, Richard E Grant, Tim Robbins, Bruce Robinson, Jann Wenner and Hal Wilner.

    We observe Steadman over fifteen years as he creates a wealth of art. For the first time his work is animated, including the drawings from `Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas'. There is an animated prequel to the feature, Cherrywood Cannon, which is read by Richard E Grant.

    Music from Slash, The All American Rejects, Jason Mraz, Lynval Golding, James Blake, Crystal Castles, Thom Crawford and Ed Hardcourt, each who have recorded tracks to their chosen visual chapter.

    `For No Good Reason' is a cohesive, touching and at times funny film about honesty, friendship and the ambition that drives an artist.

    Never has a truer record been made on the demise of the 20th Century counterculture and hipster dream - Ralph Steadman is the last of the Gonzo visionaries.



    Gregory Towns (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:56:21 PM EST
    Here is a case that illustrates that while race is no doubt a factor on police violence, it is not the only factor.

    Attorney: East Point police used Tasers as `cattle prod' on man who died

    While the medical examiners haves said Towns' death was a homicide, Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard is still waiting on evidence before decided if he will present the matter to a grand jury for possible criminal charges.

    Both officers were also black.  

    Two former East Point police officers might have discharged their Tasers more than twice as many times as they reported in the death of a 24-year-old man in April, according to an attorney.

    Odd they don't seem to have been showered with support, sympathy and money.


    Poverty is a factor that cuts across (none / 0) (#57)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:22:31 PM EST
    racial lines; not that race isn't a factor, just that it may be the one thing that victims of abuse of power have in common.

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