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    USA! USA! USA! (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 12:48:13 PM EST
    We're in the final after defeating the favored Krauts, 2-Nil.

    A somewhat questionable call gives us a penalty kick that Carli Lloyd buries to go up 1-Nil, not long after the Cup's leading scorer shanks a penalty of their own where Julie Johnston was lucky not to draw a tarjeta rojo, solomente amarillo. And sweet ball movement leads to a cross from Lloyd that Kelley O'Hara karate kicks out of the air and in to ice it late.

    Up next is the victor of England v. Japan...I'm hoping for a shot at the redcoats, nothing better than beating England at their own game.  

    Great job Team USA...uno mas!

    That's great. Now, tell me, ... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 01:23:10 PM EST
    kdog: "We're in the final after defeating the favored Krauts, 2-Nil."

    ... do you also still call people of Polish descent "Polacks," or those of Italian heritage "Wops"? Are Americans of Japanese ancestry still "Japs" to you, and Chinese "Chinks," &etc.?

    If not, then speaking as someone of German-Irish descent, I would please ask that you henceforth avoid using the now-offensive World War II-era pejorative of "Krauts," when referencing Germans in your posts. This isn't 1944, and we're not storming Omaha Beach under heavy fire.



    As a Native American Mutt with a sliver of (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 01:32:24 PM EST
    Kraut in him, I ask that you respect my NYC culture of lighthearted ethnic ballbusting, Mr. McKraut.

    Respectfully Yours,
    kdog the McArab


    Some people look for offense (none / 0) (#13)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 01:51:01 PM EST
    like there is a reward for it.

    Nothing like a little good natured inter-ethnic ball busting in international sports. Takes the bite out of past indignities, I think.

    Hopefully we will play England in the finals. Though if so, we will probably be referred to by the pejorative "Yanks."

    Going forward, mayhaps we should petition Steinbrenner to drop that derogatory name?


    I have to agree with Donald on this one (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 02:07:51 PM EST
    I would think... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 02:30:22 PM EST
    you'd know all about this NYC cultural wrinkle, living in the NYC South section of the Second Chance State.

    I do (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 02:33:30 PM EST
    but what's acceptable in conversation among close friends is different than what is acceptable when said publicly.

    On a friendlier note (none / 0) (#28)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 02:34:45 PM EST
    Happy Bobby Bonilla Day kdog.

    I've been on a friendly note... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 03:42:01 PM EST
    since jumpstreet my brother.

    Now the Wilpons, they're so offensive they should be banned from MLB;)


    SUO: "Some people look for offense like there is a reward for it. Nothing like a little good natured inter-ethnic ball busting in international sports. Takes the bite out of past indignities, I think."

    ... of all people ought to remember this little discussion, the next time you seek to upbraid someone else for supposedly making what you claim to be a derogatory comment about women, obese people, &etc.

    Because I can assure you that I, and perhaps a few others here who've been subjected to your periodic and out-of-context tongue-lashings in that regard, will remember the double standard which you so proudly fly today.

    I made my comment to kdog not because I was "looking for offense" in his remark, but because as someone of German descent, I was actually and genuinely offended by it. And quite frankly, I was being rather polite about it, figuring that by living in the moment, he may not have realized how some would interpret his reference.

    That fact that both he and you have since effectively doubled down on your use of such derogatory slurs as "good natured" is genuinely pathetic (if not also troubling), particularly in light of the at-length discussions about prejudice we've been having here during these past two weeks.

    Given your perverse logic, SUO, why don't you go to the next L.A. Galaxy match over in Carson and shout out to midfielder Robbie Rogers from the stands that he's a "little f@ggot," and then see how others in the stadium and Galaxy players / personnel react to your "good-natured ball busting"? That sort of "levity" will likely run you the genuine risk of getting leveled parallel with the pavement.

    In the meantime, I would suggest that you and kdog hop back aboard Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine to return yourselves from the 1980s to the year 2015. Ethnic, racial and personal slurs of any sort have no place in modern sports -- particularly in international soccer, which has a rather sordid and bloody history on that count:

    BBC | May 31, 1985
    English teams banned after Heysel -- "The Football Association has banned English clubs from playing in Europe following the Heysel stadium tragedy two days ago in which 39 fans died. [...]  Last Wednesday evening, 39 people died and more than 400 were injured when a wall collapsed at the stadium in Brussels during violent riots just before the European cup final between Liverpool and Juventus (Turin)." (NOTE: Most of the victims that day were deliberately targeted because they were Italian.)

    Grow up.


    about women, obese people, &etc."

    And there was NO good-natured humor or ball-busting in your comments; you were dead serious. Angry, even.

    Your comments were nothing at all like the comments in this thread and you deserved being called out for them.

    Hope that clears everything up!


    Wow.... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 03:15:56 PM EST
    actually and genuinely offended?  You wouldn't sh*t a sh*tter now, would ya Don?

    I Have to Think... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 04:48:40 PM EST
    ...that Kraut is probably age specific in that I would never take offense.  I don't even know if anyone has ever used it to me in a derogatory way.

    I am 100% German, but just never experienced any sort prejudice because of it, so to me it not offensive in any way.  Now that is not to say I didn't experience it when I moved to Texas because my name sounds Jewish.  It doesn't, but that is a whole other conversation about idiots.

    My point here is that finding someone not offended doesn't make it OK.  Donald's experiences are different than mine and even when you are joking around these things do hurt people.  I am sure some in South Carolina can't believe some people find certain language or symbols offensive because to them it means something else.

    But it should not be the people making the remark deciding, it should be the people who are offended saying enough, I don't want to hear that non-sense.  And come on, there is no reason to use terminology that hurts people's feelings when perfectly good terminology exists that doesn't.  There is no defense for offending people once you certain words offend them.  

    No need to analyze and call it PC or whatever, just stop.  You wouldn't call someone Bob if they preferred Robert, for no other reason that they don't want to be called Bob, and I noticed down south, many go by names, like Jeb when their actual name is John(as in John Ellis Bush).  But only a jerk would call them a name they don't want to be called.

    The barometer should always be if it bothers people, not some idiotic list of the 'PC' dejour.  And Bob should also realize that no everyone knows he wants to go by Robert, so if an error is made, just point it out and move along.

    The world isn't going to stop spinning because you can't call a group of folks Krauts, Negros, or Redskins.


    For the record... (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 06:07:45 PM EST
    I did not call Donald a kraut, I called the German team Krauts. I called Donald Mr. McKraut, as I did not wish to offend his Irish heritage by omitting it from the ribbing party. Good naturedly, clearly imo, as I consider Don and all TL commenters friends of a sort and would think my rep is of a commenter who doesn't log in looking to denigrate anybody but pols and authority figures. Context and intent, context and intent.

    Now if I had logged into the German Team message board, then I'd be an arsehole.

    Well I still might be an arsehole, but you know them NYers. You gotta go to Mass. to find a bigger arsehole than a NYer.


    My family has a tradition that our German (none / 0) (#36)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 03:47:39 PM EST
    ancestors were Palatine Germans, war refugees who settled in New York in the early 18th Century.  

    Anyway, krauts is out of date, and if there is anyone here who does less to fulfill the stereotype of the mindless kraut ready to fight whoever his Kaiser or Fuhrer deems an enemy of the state, it would be DFH.

    Sehr gut, Freund Don!


    Speaking of cool Germans... (none / 0) (#69)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 06:27:24 PM EST
    My hometown, College Point, was founded by a progressive industrialist and philanthropist named Conrad Poppenhusen. Who amongst many good deeds opened the first free kindergarten in America. Dude bankrolled Charles Goodyear in the development of the vulcanization process.

    Perhaps you are too easily offended. (none / 0) (#42)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 04:41:45 PM EST
    It was a good-natured use of the word "Krauts." And if you notice, he wasn't talking about Americans of German descent. He was referring to, hey get this, ACTUAL Germans! I knew what meant. And it wasn't, in any way offensive to any American of any extraction.

    I'm a little disappointed... (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 01:57:58 PM EST
    there was no objection to "redcoats"...I must be culturally slippin';)


    As a red sox fan (none / 0) (#19)
    by CST on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 02:07:26 PM EST
    I take great offense to being called a Yank/Yankee etc...  And as a north-eastern American I get that a decent amount.

    and being called a Yank/Yankee fan.

    Is there the same issue with, say, people being referred to as patriots who don't root for Brady and Belichik?

    I had previously thought that mostly only those south of the mason dixon or north of our northern border would take offense at being referred to as Yank, but now I'm starting to wonder! :-)


    the only true patriots (none / 0) (#22)
    by CST on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 02:16:20 PM EST
    are patriots fans.  Clearly :)

    Ha! Says so right in their name! (none / 0) (#26)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 02:31:16 PM EST
    Huge difference... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 02:22:51 PM EST
    calling somebody who doesn't root for the Yankees a Yankee fan is a line I won't even cross...there are limits man!

    I know, right? Fighting words. (none / 0) (#24)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 02:29:32 PM EST
    Too bad the Canucks are out.

    As someone who is mostly Kraut (none / 0) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 04:41:10 PM EST
    And whose Kraut grandfather called Krauts Krauts, I'm fine with it. I'm having flashbacks, but nothing too awful :)

    As someone with similar ancestry (none / 0) (#45)
    by CST on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 04:50:54 PM EST
    who lived in Germany, and speaks German -

    At least he didn't go with Nazi!

    My German great-grandfather called himself that...

    Also Sauerkraut is a god-awful condiment and no one should ever be subjected to it, least of all called it.


    I Always Have Sour Kraut in the Fridge... (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:06:01 PM EST
    ...and when I was a little tike, I helped grandma make it, then bury jars it in her backyard.  I practice that still alludes all common sense in the(at the time) 20th century.

    I will most definitely be eating much of it this weekend, because I made a huge batch of bratwurst.  And yes I boil them in beer which not only makes them taster better, it cooks out a majority of the fat, so they are healthy brats.  To be clear, not healthy, but healthy in terms of brats.

    Fun Factoid, in Houston there is 4 or 5 Ethiopian restaurants at any given time.  There is exactly one German restaurant, which I have gone to twice, and IMO two times too many.  I am not down with most German food and judging by the restaurant selection, no one else is.  

    But I love brats and kraut.


    I Just Realized... (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:37:29 PM EST
    ...sour kraut is actually spelled sauerkraut.  

    Good thing I can work numbers, because my spelling/grammar skills are worthy of first position, ditch digger extraordinaire.


    You mean, (none / 0) (#54)
    by Zorba on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:13:21 PM EST
    There's another way to fix brats other than boiling them in beer first?   ;-)
    Just kidding.  And, in fact, I have a German sister-in-law, and we have visited her in Bavaria.  There are a whole lot of wursts available other than just bratwurst, and we didn't have any wursts there that were boiled in beer, although all of them were very tasty, along with the schnitzels, and the various great ways to prepare pork.
    Mmmmm.  Not to mention, the wonderful German beers, and German white wines.

    Check out this image page (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:25:33 PM EST
    Of the fabulous Shirley Stoler

    There are a couple in the top rows from the amazing film Seven Beauties where she, dressed in boxer shorts a wife beater and boots (and riding crop and cigar) makes Giancarlo Giannini eat brats and sauerkraut from a bowl on the floor.  
    So he has the energy to make love to her.

    Amazing.  I was honored to call Shirley a good friend in the years before her death in 1999.  I got to know her when I was living in NY.  I miss her.


    Well There is Right Way... (none / 0) (#60)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:34:07 PM EST
    ...and a wrong way.  Seriously.

    We got beer, we don't have good food.  The spice palette is cheese, butter, salt, and pepper.


    the sweet and sour sauce is (none / 0) (#71)
    by ding7777 on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 06:51:44 PM EST
    what ruins many German food dishes

    and warm beer is yummy


    The Veal! (none / 0) (#70)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 06:46:10 PM EST
    I love German food...especially wiener schnitzel.

    And in another shout out to my hometown, Flessel's had the best till she served her last plate in 1998.  So many memories in that fine establishment.


    heh heh (none / 0) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 06:08:11 PM EST
    great grandparents came directly from Germany. So my grandfather was full German, my dad have and me 1/4 German. I love German food. However there are many places that do German food really bad. We went to a German restaurant here in Atlanta that was just awesome. The Sauebrauten was so tender you didn't even need a knife to cut it.

    Oddly enough (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 06:26:19 PM EST
    right here in my tiny little mountain town there is an amazingly good German restaurant.  Or I should say a restaurant where amazing German food is served.  
    It a very odd place.  Run by two very old people.  She cooks he waits.  There is usually only one or two things on the menu but they are wonderful.  I had never had authentic weiner schnitzel till I had it there. With spatzle.  OMG my mouth is literally watering.
    As I said, it's an odd place.  Very small clientele.  Of which I am one.  Most locals hate them because they can be very rude and they have no patients with hillbillies.  She wont let them talk on cell phones or wear baseball caps in the restaurant.
    Oh, and you better clean your plate or she will know the reason why.
     One night some old ladies were there reading the menu and one asked the other what weiner schnitzel was made from.
    Weiners, of course another replied.
     With absolutely deadpan straight face Tina says "No no. That's a common misconception.  I make it from weiner dogs".
    "we raise them just for that purpose.  That why I can't do it to often.  I will run out of dogs."
    And returned to the kitchen.  The ladies looked at each other and then at Terry who smiled and nodded, "it's true"
    The ladies left.

    Ha (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 06:53:30 PM EST
    just reading about them on trip advisor.  There is 45 excellent reviews and this.  I have seen this happen so many times.  Nearly every time I go there she chases some out.  I could very well have been the one other customer.  I have never been there with more than two other tables.   They also occasionally argue with each other.  My sister and I (the only relative I have who will go there with me) call it the dysfunctional family restaurant.

    "a rude welcome ... terribly disappointing"
    1 of 5 starsReviewed December 1, 2013
    My girlfriend and I stopped in Mammoth Springs on the day after Thanksgiving. Looking for a place for lunch, we decided on La Pastorella because it looked interesting, inviting, and -- with its advertisement of "international comfort food" -- welcoming. Boy, we could not have been more incorrect. From the moment we walked in the door, we received the rudest treatment that I can remember EVER getting at a restaurant (and, having traveled extensively, I have been to a lot of eateries). Instead of greeting us and welcoming us to her establishment, the woman I assume to be one of the owners took a look at an empty coffee cup I was looking to discard and barked that no outside food or drink were allowed. We should have turned around right then. But, though taken aback, we took our seats. Then an older gentleman (another owner?) who waited on us grudgingly returned my greeting before telling my girlfriend she couldn't get tap water only bottled water and telling me that it was impossible for them to make half-n-half (half sweet, half unsweetened) tea. Mind you, there was no apology offered for either ... like the woman, he rather snarled these retorts at us. And, at that point, with some parting observations that we had no intention of spending money in a place that treated customers so rudely, we departed. Leaving, I will add, only one other customer in the restaurant.



    I love sauerkraut (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 04:57:42 PM EST
    Nazi! (none / 0) (#49)
    by CST on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:03:41 PM EST

    Btw (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:07:23 PM EST
    i am also a good bit German.  My grandmother had an BW photo of Neuschwanstein Castle and said her family was from the town it overlooked.   I forget the name.

    German, Irish and Native American mostly.


    That town at the foot of the castle (none / 0) (#72)
    by christinep on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 06:51:44 PM EST
    We ate there too almost 30 years ago while visiting places in Bavaria.  And ... I can't remember the name either. One thing is certain for me:  Sorry, but not sauerkraut (even tho the mild kind seasoned with yummy poppy seeds may cause me to sneak a bite) ... ever since I was about 9 yrs old and was in the habit of scarfing down food in a now-you=see-it-now-you-don't style and a "sadistic" much older cousin in the extended family made me eat a bowl of sauerkraut before getting up from the table, well ... never, nevermore said I.  

    Who knows, tho? Times & attitudes change.  Since I graduated from youthful loathing of beets to like (actually, loving) beets today, all things are possible in the food department.


    A family we are very close to have Kraut as their surname. For a dose of irony, they are Jewish.

    What a match!!! (none / 0) (#6)
    by caseyOR on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 01:01:47 PM EST
    There are always questionable calls. Some for us, and some against us. All part of the game.

    Our defense continues to play outstanding futbol. Don't give the other team a chance to score, and they won't score. That German PK could have gone badly for us. I was stunned that Sasic missed that PK for Germany.

    That O'Hara goal was so sweet. And have I mentioned how much I like Carli Lloyd?

    I do not understand all the criticism of coach Jill Ellis that I keep reading. Looks like she has coached this team right into the World Cup final. What more do people want from her?

    The U.S. team has such a deep bench that I am optimistic about the future of this team, beyond this World Cup. I think the U.S. women in a very good place for both Sunday's final game and the future.

    And, yes, beating England at their own game would be delightful, but so would winning out over the Japanese to whom we lost the last World Cup.

    GO, USA Women!!!!!!


    As someone... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 01:23:39 PM EST
    who was scratching his head over some of Coach Ellis' decisions early in the tournament, I'm not scratching my head anymore once she started bringing Wambach off the bench and letting Lloyd attack.

    On the defensive side, what's to question...total domination.


    Today's American Hero: Zea Bowling (age 7). (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:27:07 PM EST
    For several minutes last Friday at the Columbus, OH Comfest, Zea bravely held up her rainbow flag to the face of a homophobic Christianista preacher who was protesting the Supreme Court's decision legalizing gay marriage, and had singled her out for special attention.

    Ryan Bowling, Zea's father, captured the incredible confrontation on video, which he's posted to YouTube. Both the photo and the video have since gone viral.

    This first grader's quiet yet determined public defiance of such hatred and bigotry actually speaks volumes about the vile and contemptible nature of the anti-LGBT crowd, much more so than several thousand comments to that effect on TalkLeft and elsewhere could ever do.

    What would Jesus do? I think Zea just showed us. She was courageous, and we should be proud of her.


    Interesting article in WaPo (none / 0) (#1)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 12:21:07 PM EST
    on the mentally ill or distraught being killed by police in this country.


    The most disturbing thing I found was many of the comments left by so-called readers. I say "so-called" because it seems few actually read the article before going off on rants about WaPo being racist and anti-cop.

    And what else is new? (none / 0) (#17)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 02:05:34 PM EST
    The Washington Post's comment sections have long been magnets for wingbats and dittoheads. So are those at other major papers across the country.

    Further, if you track such things, you'll find that a great deal of the right-wing commentary at these sites tends to be posted by the same people, such as "tommythek50" at the Los Angeles Times, who'll sometimes plant upwards of 50-60 per day throughout that paper's online edition. He'll invariably find some way to bash Democrats and rage on the Times as a liberal tool -- even if it's in an otherwise benign article about a recent mountain lion sighting in Topanga Canyon.

    That sort of online behavior, especially in newspaper sites that have a paywall, has always fueled my sneaking suspicion that posters like "tommythek50" are likely paid trolls.



    Never read (none / 0) (#47)
    by Zorba on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 04:58:02 PM EST
    The comments on such sites.  All they will do is give you heartburn.  I avoid those comments like the plague.

    In My Opinion... (none / 0) (#53)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:08:13 PM EST
    ...the summer is always the worse because the kids are out of school without supervision.  I think many of the comment haters are simply kids being unsupervised kids.

    Never thought of that. (none / 0) (#64)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:53:02 PM EST
    It wouldn't surprise me at all if that were the case. Most right-wing comments on LGBT-related matters, in particular, certainly read as though they were written by people who were channeling the cast of "Porky's."

    What has bad press done for Trump? (none / 0) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 12:23:16 PM EST
    Moved him into 2nd place in today's CNN/Opinion Research national poll for the GOP nomination.

    What's the old saying? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Zorba on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 12:45:32 PM EST
    There's no such thing as bad publicity?
    Or maybe a more appropriate old saying is "There's a sucker born every minute."    ;-)

    I totally (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 12:54:08 PM EST
    am not surprised to hear that. Trump has a lot of things that the GOP likes. They seem to think that running a business is the ultimate qualification for president even though Bush said the same thing and was an abject failure of a president. And all the stuff he's saying about Hispanics? You hear the same thing from rank and file Republican voters everyday of the week. Trump is just saying what they want to hear.

    I would love to be a fly on Preibus' wall though or own the store carrying antacids where all the Republican elite shop.


    Compare and contrast (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 01:53:55 PM EST
    Trump and the other Clown Car Members as they woo the Republican primary voters.

     Jeb ( takes a week to answer a Fox soft ball question on Iraq),  Rubio ( gets same quiz after Bush, but does not understand the question, yesteryear's man, aka, the world's oldest young man), Walker (who can deal with ISIS because he knocked off those terrorist teachers' retirements, the college-challenged governor has seen the enemy and it is the University), Jindal (who has exorcist as well as a poor governance experiences, Pledges to get rid of the SC to save money), Cruz (an institutional bomb-thrower, anti-gay, but some of his best donors are gay), Huckabee (hawks nostrums for the sick,  on the trail against Satan, and after gays), Santorum (loser II, old face, new sweater vest), Rand (sane/insane, depending), Christie (bridgegate,  liar extraordinaire,  governance challenged, a getting old, bully is me persona),  Carly Fiorina (how not to succeed in business after trying), Ben Carson (like Trump, no public offices held,  both cut-ups.)

    Seems to me that Trump fits in just fine  All naturals behind the wheel of the clown car.  Each trying to distinguish themselves.  But, only a difference with a few distinctions.



    Nevermind... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 03:08:08 PM EST
    ...that he has filed bankruptcy how many times.  I want to say 4.  That alone should disqualify him from pretending that he can run anything well.

    Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 03:14:41 PM EST
    but are you talking to rational people? I mean these are the same people that nominated someone who thinks there are still WMDs in Iraq.

    You should read some polling on what the beliefs of the GOP are. It's like looking at cult findings.


    True, Trump may not (none / 0) (#37)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 04:16:39 PM EST
    be able to run anything well, except his mouth.  However, his colleagues in the clown car have the experience of not running their states well.  Some of the governor clowns have discovered that if you ignore revenue, budgets do not balance so good.   Take, Jindal--or Christie, for instance. Sorry, no one should take them.   Sam Brownback, so far has been overlooked in the Republican sweepstakes--he not in Kansas any more, he is in trouble.  

    That's the thing that (none / 0) (#50)
    by Zorba on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:04:38 PM EST
    continues to flummox me when I talk to some of my right-wing acquaintances, who keep going on about how rich Donald is, and what a great businessman he is.
    Excuse me?  Filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy for his businesses four times???  Leaving his investors and creditors on the hook.  
    OTOH, The Donald kept finding more investors to give him money after each bankruptcy.  The more fool them.
    That doesn't make him a great businessman.  That makes him an extremely successful scam artist.

    Yes, Mme Zorba, (none / 0) (#75)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 07:17:31 PM EST
    and what happened to those Republicans who want a fresh, young face?   Mrs Clinton is so old, being born one year later than the 69-year old Donald.  Of course, Trump's hairpiece (I hope that it is not natural, fearing that something of his own is growing in that area) seems to be youngish this time around.

    At this moment (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 07:28:00 PM EST
    watching a pretty hilarious conversation with a republican strategist questioned on this subject by Chris Hayes. His only suggestion so far is day drinking.
    The term "spittle flecked populism" was used.

    Well, I did tell one of my (none / 0) (#78)
    by Zorba on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 07:48:42 PM EST
    winger friends that I would never vote for anyone who was wearing a road-kill badger on his head.  She was horrified.  At me, not The Donald.   ;-)

    he's being dropped by businesses (none / 0) (#7)
    by CST on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 01:21:22 PM EST
    And they love him even more for it.

    I almost hope they do elect him.  He's the perfect face for the cause.


    A couple of things I'm reading today (none / 0) (#8)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 01:21:53 PM EST
    that's fantastic news (none / 0) (#12)
    by CST on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 01:35:44 PM EST
    along with other evidence that the business community is getting behind environmental reforms.

    Bill Gates is also going to be giving $2 billion to alternative energy development in the next five years.

    The environment needs all the friends it can get.


    Yes (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 02:06:28 PM EST
    growing in SC I was taught myths and frankly most of it was not because of the textbooks so much as the teachers wanted to continue the myths. I guess back then they were not as strict about what teachers taught.

    Aspiring Astronomers... (none / 0) (#34)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 03:37:34 PM EST
    ...on August 21, 2017 the US will be in the path for a total eclipse from Oregon to South Carolina and with technology, there is a Google map with the exact times and shadow path(umbra) across the US.  
    I will be in that path as this is definitely something I want to experience in this life.

    In our solar system, the Earth is the only planet that experiences this phenomenon.  And as we do not know about moons in other system, astronomers can only estimate how rare this phenomenon is.  But it's rare, you need a moon that appears as the same size in the sky as the star, but it has to orbit in a way in which the moon crosses between the host planet and the star. And lastly, the system has to be a one star system.

    With around 175 moons and 8 planets in our solar system, this only happens to the one.  That is not to say, moons don't cross between the planet and the sun, but most are specs and in no way block out the entire sun.

    The ratios are so tight, that in all of the Universe, we may be the only life forms privy to a solar eclipse.  That is my opinion only.

    We had a total solar eclipse in Hawaii ... (none / 0) (#62)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:41:57 PM EST
    ... back on July 11, 1991. Our valley and the surrounding mountain ridges were shrouded in clouds that morning, so we drove down to Kahala Park near Diamond Head, five miles away, where the skies were relatively clear. Lots of others who lived in east Honolulu's valleys had the same idea, because the large community park was filled with hundreds of people. The eclipse itself, which lasted for a number of minutes, was an amazing and unforgettable experience.

    You're in for a real treat.


    Try again, posting this in the proper thread (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 04:33:29 PM EST
    Did Obama gut Rubio's Cuban Floridian support?

    Why dontcha ask (none / 0) (#40)
    by scribe on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 04:38:46 PM EST
    Bob Menendez how that disagreeing with Obama about Cuban issues thing worked out?

    Wouldn't matter one way or the other (none / 0) (#55)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:16:09 PM EST
    Hillary will win Florida.

    I like this teaser (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 04:38:13 PM EST
    Love it! (none / 0) (#44)
    by ruffian on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 04:48:52 PM EST
    I'm glad for more Coen style winter footage

    Did you see (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 04:59:58 PM EST
    my bad book of the month club comments to you in the Friday open?

    I wonder how this will meaure up ... (none / 0) (#74)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 07:06:49 PM EST
    ... against the first season of "Fargo," which was simply outstanding television. But then, I think I said pretty much the same thing last year about that first season, in comparison to the original 1996 movie. So what do I know?

    Seriously, though, I was a big fan of AMC's "The Killing" as it ran though its first storyline, which revolved around the tragic murder of a 17-year-old Seattle high school girl and the reverberating effect that crime had upon most everyone who was even remotely connected to it.

    As a limited series, it worked to near-perfection from premiere to finale, with the victim's family finally gaining much-needed closure, while the Seattle police detective who finally cracked that case (played with aplomb by Merielle Enos) apparently walks away from her job for good, thoroughly disillusioned and emotionally wrung out by her searing experience.

    Had AMC been content to just leave it there, it had something of which everyone could be very proud. Instead, that network decided to resurrect "The Killing" with an entirely new storyline, which just didn't have that same unnerving verve of the original. Because while it retained the first storyline's dark sense of foreboding, that sense often became almost unbearably suffocating during the second go-round.

    The show ultimately became so bogged down with its characters' depression and angst -- compounded, no doubt, by the interminable rainfall that always seemed to plague them whenever they dared to venture outside -- that it left me wondering why the Seattle Police Dept.'s entire detective's division wasn't committed to a psych ward and placed on collective suicide watch.

    I'll watch "Fargo" regardless, because I trust that the Coen brothers won't let that show's plot and setting devolve into a similarly hopeless caricature.



    Trump (none / 0) (#58)
    by lentinel on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:27:51 PM EST
    is being treated in the press as THE nut in the presidential sweepstakes.

    I personally do not think that when it comes down to it, that anything he said is out of line with what most of the candidates are thinking when it comes to immigrants - or building a wall on the border.

    So he said out loud what most of them are soft-shoeing around.

    There are a few things, however, that Trump mentioned in his tirade of an announcement that were of interest to me.

    The first one is the treatment of veterans.
    They have been shamefully treated for decades. And they still are. The wait for treatment is an affront to decency, imo, and gives the lie to the supposed "thanks" and "honor" that the pols robotically bestow upon them a few times a year.

    Trump mentioned them twice during his announcement.
    I do not recall any of the other candidates addressing this issue.

    The other thing that I think is worth considering is Trump's interest and strong advocacy of renewing our infrastructure.

    Infrastructure is, in my opinion, one of the most direct ways in which we experience the extent to which our government is interested in our well-being.

    Public transportation.
    Safe roads and bridges.
    Rebuilding and servicing our inner cities.

    I would like infrastructure to be brought front and center and addressed by all of the candidates.

    His style was different as well - and even a bit refreshing.
    He spoke in a stream of consciousness way - a real contrast to the scripted and careful speak of the rest. And I did enjoy that he didn't do that god-awful thing of interjecting little pat phrases into every five sentences with the manipulating cadences meant to elicit applause.

    Bottom line:

    Trump does not appear to me to be worse than the others on the Republican side - but seems to be the designated clown. And as far as foreign policy is concerned, he doesn't seem to be more dangerous than - say - McCain - who is not treated nearly as derisively.

    I personally will look forward to seeing him in a debate with Jeb and the others. They will have to try to differentiate themselves from his positions - and I think they will have a devil of a time doing so.

    I think you are right (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:32:20 PM EST
    its going to be a lot more fun with Donald

    Btw (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 01, 2015 at 05:46:27 PM EST
    he also said this-

    "Whether it is we are going to cut Social Security, because that's what they are saying," he continued. "Every Republican wants to do a big number on Social Security, they want to do it on Medicare, they want to do it on Medicaid. And we can't do that. And it's not fair to the people that have been paying in for years and now all of the sudden they want to be cut."

    No applause there. Know your audience, man.

    The more businesses dump him the higher his numbers go.  


    ... California Gov. Jerry Brown affixed his signature yesterday to the strictest mandatory schoolchild vaccination law in the country, one which eliminates most all personal and religious-based exemptions.

    Brown's approval allows the measure to take effect immediately, which prompted an embarrassing public meltdown from anti-vaxxer Jim Carrey, who really should stick to slapstick comedy -- or at least, not channel his "Dumb and Dumber" character during discussions about matters of public health policy.