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Scotland voted to stay in the U.K. "With 31 of 32 constituencies declared, unionists had won 55 percent of the vote while separatists were on 45 percent."

The bill to arm and train "moderate" Syrian rebels has now passed in the Senate.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Sad but true Scotland lost the vote (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by fishcamp on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 06:16:59 AM EST
    but Cameron promises reform with taxes, welfare and more.  Unfortunately the English have made these very promises before and not kept them.  They even grumble in the pubs if you pay for a pint with a Scottish pound.  We gave them a scare and if the promises are not kept well, remember the film Braveheart.

    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 07:54:51 AM EST
    people were saying last "see ya in a couple of years when the promises are not kept"

    It must have been a bit gratifying to see the Brits so panicked

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    I know Longshanks' (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 08:55:42 AM EST
    notion of promises, one of those and 3 quid will buy you a pint.

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    Reliably, (none / 0) (#2)
    by lentinel on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 06:23:22 AM EST
    Cameron, Obama and the Queen all came out against the movement for independence.

    Obama's reason was my favorite.
    He needs a "strong" partner...presumably for his military escapades.

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    And no rioting (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 08:09:30 AM EST
    the union jack@ffs must be disappointed

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    Do you see this coming up for (none / 0) (#9)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 08:21:11 AM EST
    another vote some time in the not too distant future?

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by fishcamp on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 09:30:35 AM EST
    Maybe so! (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 09:54:53 AM EST
    One more comment (none / 0) (#27)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 09:59:54 AM EST
    and we'll have the perfect range of opinions :)

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    I think, (none / 0) (#35)
    by NYShooter on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 10:51:16 AM EST
    maybe?

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    No (none / 0) (#21)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 09:19:47 AM EST
    I am still trying to forget that pathetic movie. (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 10:43:05 AM EST
    How can you not like Braveheart? (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 10:45:19 AM EST
    Not a fan of Mel. Loved "Rob Roy.". (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 10:51:13 AM EST
    I enjoyed Rob Roy too (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 11:31:16 AM EST
    Getting ready to watch 'Belle' On Demand because I'll be roasting in the stands tonight :). It might be a little cooler than last week though.

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    Doyou have a chiller scarf? (none / 0) (#45)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 11:52:34 AM EST
    Aye Lassie... (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 10:55:07 AM EST
    Whatever you think of Mel, that's a f*ckin' awesome movie.

    Who knew our pal Oc was the definition of a hipster...hating a universally adored film like that;)

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    In it's day, I thought it was pretty terrific (none / 0) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 11:34:57 AM EST
    Things have picked up since though in Hollywood and Broadway.  Braveheart doesn't quite hold up as well as say The Godfather or Jurassic Park.

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    Ya think? (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 11:43:56 AM EST
    I must beg to differ, it's on my short list of films where if I stumble upon it channel surfing, I'm stuck for the duration.  Timeless classic.

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    I always say (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 12:21:55 PM EST
    if you don't have anything good to say
    Come sit next to me.

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    One thing (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by lentinel on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 06:32:53 AM EST
    that interested everyone was the size of voter registration, and the size of the turnout. Up near 90% .

    It made me think that people will turn out to vote if they can feel that their vote has an actual bearing on the quality of their lives.

    That is something I haven't felt in quite awhile - despite the exhortations of some people posting here whose opinions I respect, but cannot feel at this juncture.

    Example: Obama v/s McCain. What could be clearer?
    And yet, the fact that Obama actually campaigned for Joe Lieberman against Lamont in 2006 - a time when the entire country was revolted by the war in Iraq - turned my stomach to such a degree that I could not feel anything positive about him - no matter how fkd up McCain appeared to be.

    I suspect others may feel as put off as I - and that would have something to do with the dismal turnouts here in the US.

    Another positive note in the Scottish vote: they have enfranchised voters from the age of 16.

    I believe that should happen here too.
    16 and 17 year olds have a great stake in the policies of our government and should have the right to express themselves at the ballot box.

    That whole (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 08:26:06 AM EST
    Lieberman thing should have been a tip off to a lot of people that Obama was just saying what they wanted to hear.

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    It also made me think that (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 12:13:19 PM EST
    with turnout that high, the results have so much more legitimacy. With our elections, the winning side is really the opinion of such a low proportion of the population. We have to do better - I hope this show people here a good example.

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    HAve to admit (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 08:05:05 AM EST
    the Lieberman/Lamont thing really pi$$ed me off.  And the idea of LIEberman as mentor thing made me shudder.

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    In a bit of a spot (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 08:19:12 AM EST
    during the Lamont thing I called and emailed Mark Pryor and said if he backed LIEberman  (which he did) I would never vote for him again.   Looks like I may have to.


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    Good to be Flexible (none / 0) (#11)
    by squeaky on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 08:26:26 AM EST
    Things change..

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    Hobby Lobby must be so proud (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 08:36:05 AM EST
    Polygamous religious sect dodges subpoena with Hobby Lobby ruling

    This summer's Supreme Court ruling on Hobby Lobby is having a cascading effect of unintended consequences, this time potentially impacting a radical religious sect facing allegations of breaking child labor laws.

    A federal judge in Utah ruled last week that a member of a Mormon offshoot known as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) was exempted from testifying in a federal child labor investigation, claiming that sharing information on the inter-workings of the church violated his religious vows.



    So Help Me.... (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 08:39:55 AM EST
    Praise The Lord :) (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 10:07:55 AM EST
    General Welsh is a General!

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    Yay (none / 0) (#16)
    by squeaky on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 08:52:44 AM EST
    Hope the guy survives the wrath of god.

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    Why the military is needed (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 09:06:38 AM EST
    A spokesman for the government in Guinea said on Thursday that eight bodies were found two days after a group of health workers and journalists went missing in the country.

    The journalists and officials came under attack near the southern city of Nzerekore, close to the Liberian border. One journalist was able to escape and later told reporters that she could hear villagers looking for her.

    The Associated Press said that the group "was doing disinfection and education on prevention methods" when it went missing.

    Doctors and researchers trying to contain the Ebola outbreak, which is deadlier than all previous outbreaks combined, have run up against a population deeply suspicious of medical personnel. Last month, riots broke out in the same Guinean city over rumors that health care workers were infecting people with the virus.



    Going to get worse (none / 0) (#23)
    by Slado on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 09:36:29 AM EST
    before it gets better.

    Frontline had an excellent story on the Ebola outbreak and they showed people in the cities saying that the government was lying about the outbreak and all sorts of other propaganda that will lead to more infections.

    Then in the small villages were the outbreak is worst people were scared to talk to health workers and keep infecting their families and neighbors because they're scared to go to the temporary hospitals.

    It's very sad and more support is needed if the outbreak is going to get better anytime soon.  The local governments and services aren't anywhere near enough to deal with it.

    In fact many of the hospitals are shut down because doctors and nurses have died treating the outbreak.  If the international community doesn't step in it will get worse before it gets better.

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    I think we are past that (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 09:51:35 AM EST
    and at the "How much worse" stage

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    This guy is a train wreck (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 11:32:08 AM EST
    He has always been a trainwreck (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by sj on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 11:59:24 AM EST
    It boggles my mind (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 12:20:01 PM EST
    that people think he should run for president.

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    I know, right? (none / 0) (#57)
    by sj on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 12:30:29 PM EST
    I can't believe even he thinks he should run for President.

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    Union Jacks (none / 0) (#5)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 07:55:52 AM EST
    A lot of Union Jacks around the world are happy today.

    Lieberman is a pious hypocrite (none / 0) (#13)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 08:37:06 AM EST
    Who now is a lobbyist even though he had stated previously that he wouldn't be.  

    At least he still takes Saturdays off........."

    His sabbath is friom (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 08:47:46 AM EST
    Friday evening until Saturday evening.

    Other than that, I agree with you that he is a hypocrite playing the part of a pious person.

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    Really? (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 08:58:37 AM EST
    He was a politician. Politicians represent their constituents, and change their positions as needed. And now he is a salesman not much different... telling people what they want to hear is the trade.

    All politicians are hypocrites by definition. Hypocrisy is really not relevant, imo. as disgusting as he is as a human being.


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    110% Effort (none / 0) (#20)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 09:09:03 AM EST
    Well atleast the Scots left it all on the field -- giving a full 110% effort:

    CNN math geniuses report

    iOS 8 users .... (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 09:54:38 AM EST
    are you finding it's slower ?

    In a word...no (none / 0) (#29)
    by fishcamp on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 10:26:45 AM EST
    since my computers are 10.9.5 and my iPhone is 7.1.2.  You must be speaking about the iPads which I don't have.

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    I'm hoping it gets better (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 10:31:59 AM EST
    but definitely slower iPad.  Especially, but not only, FaceBook
    I like some of the features.

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    How do you like the predictive typing? (none / 0) (#55)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 12:24:24 PM EST
    I like it, but it can be a little annoying seeing the words jumping around in the top of my field of vision. I'll see if the advantages are worth it, and hide it if not.

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    I like it (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 12:33:44 PM EST
    and I like the added security.  I keep hoping it will settle down and get better.  Will wait a day or so.

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    I heard the older devices (none / 0) (#48)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 12:15:04 PM EST
    are definitely having a hard time. The blog I read recommended that if you are not at least on an iPhone 5, do not do the upgrade. I am fine on my i5.

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    Only using it on my iPad (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 12:18:36 PM EST
    which is only a few months old.  It's really pi$$ing me off.
    About half the time I try to access FaceBook it just freezes up for about 5 minutes.

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    I think that is a Facebook issue. I have (none / 0) (#54)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 12:22:06 PM EST
    always had that happen with Facebook on my phone. Super slow.

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    Nope (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 12:28:09 PM EST
    googling it's all over the web.  They are saying roll back while you still can.  Just found a link with instructions and links

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    PSA (none / 0) (#52)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 12:21:18 PM EST
    Darren Wilson Grand Jury (none / 0) (#33)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 10:50:23 AM EST
    Lisa Bloom interview

    What's going on???

    We knew they were rotten to the core. (none / 0) (#38)
    by NYShooter on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 11:02:15 AM EST
    But, to not even try, and, come up with a pretext of doing justice is just mind boggling.

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    Interview with tree worker (none / 0) (#42)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 11:35:32 AM EST
    At the 1:00 mark he says 3 officers are on the scene as Brown turns around and says OK OK OK and then one of the officers fires at him

    FPD says the 2nd unit arrived 8 seconds after final shot but they have never released the police dispatch or 911 tapes and have lied throughout.

    Were these other 2 officers already on the scene and Wilson knew it and thus he had nothing to fear from Brown just before he shot him???

    Is this what they are hiding here???

    The yellow tape went up pretty fast after the shooting.

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    Hey, maybe, just maybe, there were 2 other (none / 0) (#43)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 11:42:12 AM EST
    po po on the scene and one of ThEM shot Brown. Maybe THAT is what they are hiding here???!!!

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    I guess the first question I would ask is, (none / 0) (#49)
    by leftwig on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 12:15:36 PM EST
    how reliable is this witness?  I am not suggesting he is any more or any less reliable than others, but I've not seen another witness state that there were 3 officers chasing Brown and present when any of the shots were fired.  My guess is that he's mistaken and probaly the other officers were there quickly enough that he is assuming they were all invovled in the chase, but unless all other witnesses are wrong, Wilson was the only officer present when the shooting occurred.

    Not sure I agree with the statement that other officers being present would mean Wilson had nothing to fear.  

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    The reason you haven't seen any (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 12:42:41 PM EST
    witness state that there were 3 officers chasing Brown is because "already on the scene" does not have to equate to "chasing Brown."

    I don't know whether you see words that aren't there, or just change them so you can make the response you want, but I have to say that it's beyond annoying the way you keep doing it.


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    Looks like we are, once again, (none / 0) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 19, 2014 at 10:53:03 AM EST
    off to the races to see if we can't resolve the sectarian hatreds and power struggles of the Middle East. And, indeed, to curb terror in Europe (Italian ISIS) or at home, terror in Topeka and before they kill all of us.   The senate stood up and voted to authorize the arming of those trusted, moderate Syrian rebels under the rubric of the spending bill, and now can sit down.  When the polls turn, they can stand up again and say that they were always opposed, or they were wrong (that does not seem to matter)  but the only option was to vote for funding these moderates or shutting the government down.

    But, this is only part of the ISIS, Syrian, Iraq strategy: we have assisted in the re-organization of the Iraqi government with a new leader. Hopefully this will not be a re-arrangement of the deck chairs on this Titanic.   In large measure, the same people will be seated across from one another at their meetings, so it could reasonably be described as a challenge.

    Our coalition is in action with a French airstrike and our strong Arab allies, UAE and Saudi Arabia are doing their fair share--of talking.  In fairness, the Saudis will be training those Syrian moderates.  I do hope that the Senior Administration officials have looked at a map so they know where to send these moderates for their anti-ISIS training.

    If not, this will give us all a chance to pitch in this new war effort,  young and old.   It will make us feel better than just sitting back watching Fox news and committing our young military with or without their boots. And, how expensive can a spinning globe be?  

     I refer, of course, to the assurances of an unnamed "Senior Administration Official"  who was briefing  selected media prior to the president's address (Sept 10, 2014) who explained : "ISIL has been I think a galvanizing threat around the Sunni partners in the region.  They view it as an existential threat to them.  Saudi Arabia has an extensive border with Syria.(sic).  The Jordanians....."  Of course, the other Senior Officials present and none of the media on the phone noted the geography problem, but the media did thank "the guys" for the briefing.  Link (toward the end).

    But, the good news is that we "are doing something."  Miss Lindsey can relax with a couple of mint juleps and Cheney has probably never been so relieved since Speaker Pelosi took impeachment off the table.