Wednesday Open Thread

I have a list of 50 or so things to do before I move. I'm on number 3.

Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

I dumped the spam from the last week. I'll try to check it every night.

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    When is someone going to ask (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:04:49 AM EST
    Kim Davis about what God thinks about her three divorces?

    lol. When will somebody ask God what she (5.00 / 4) (#16)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:17:24 AM EST
    thinks about Kim Davis?

    St. Kimmy of KY (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:55:09 AM EST
    It's actually way better than even that.

    I had not heard the rest until Dan Savage last night.  She has, I hope I get this right, two kids while married to her first husband that were sired by her third husband and adopted by her second husband.

    Oh saintly tower of virtue and morality, please tell us more about the righteous path.

    What a world.


    On the other hand (none / 0) (#45)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:48:41 AM EST
    it is entirely possible for someone to hold, on faith, various beliefs that seem logically inconsistent to a rationality-oriented person. Nor is it unusual for a religious person to have a past life of sin, even by her own professed standards. To be clear, none of the foregoing has anything to do with the Clerk's total lack of any legal defense in the present situation.

    I was Going to Post This in the... (none / 0) (#52)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:03:36 PM EST
    ...last thread until I remembered a new thread was out there.  Sorry about the duplicate info.


    ...she has long skirt and hair to her waste.

    She has been married 4 times, divorced 3 times.  Remarried one dude twice, her current 'redneck hillbilly' husband who has stated he loves the second amendment, implying he will shot and ask questions later.

    She has two children out of wedlock, then found jesus 4 years ago, she is born again, the worse kind of 'christian' on the planet because they want to make up for all their bad deeds by insisting everyone follow their new beliefs.

    She has stated she has no savings, which I am guessing is to influence the judge.  I don't get the feeling the courts are pleased with her BS.  IMO he is going to slam her hard, but the idiot brigade will pony up the funds and this is going to drag out as long as the idiot brigade keeps financing her religious view.  I hope she is held personally responsible for any costs of her decision.

    I am guessing the rest of the crew, including her son, will cave and issue licenses.

    Remember, she doesn't want to discriminate, so no one is getting a license, gay or straight.


    Davis until then might have seemed an unlikely candidate to wage a moral war over the institution of marriage. She has acknowledged through her attorney that she had made "major mistakes" before she was born again.

    But that Sunday morning, as the preacher spoke from the book of Galatians, Davis -- then 44 years old -- repented and pledged the rest of her life to the service of the Lord.

    At the time she repented in the church pew, Davis had been divorced three times, according to court records. Her current husband, Joe Davis, arrived at the courthouse Tuesday to check in on his wife as a protest raged on the courthouse lawn. It's been an ordeal for her, he said. People have threatened to kill her and set their house on fire.

    Joe Davis, who described himself as "an old redneck hillbilly," pointed to the rainbow-clad protesters on the opposite side of the lawn.

    "They want us to accept their beliefs and their ways," he said. "But they won't accept our beliefs and our ways."

    He said he and his wife have been together 19 years, but declined to elaborate on how much of that time they've spent married.

    Court records detail Kim Davis' turbulent marital history: She has been married to her current husband twice, with a divorce and another husband in between.

    She married her first husband, Dwain Wallace, when she was 18, and divorced him in 1994.

    She acknowledged in a 2008 divorce filing having had two children in 1994 while she was not married.

    In 1996, at age 30, she married Joe Davis for the first time. They divorced in 2006.

    The next year, at 40 years old, Davis wed Thomas McIntryre, though their marriage lasted less than a year. She re-married Joe Davis in 2009.

    The real question is would Kim Davis sign Kim Davis' additional 3 marriage certificates ?  She couldn't, not based the bible's view of marriage.

    Pretty damn convenient for he she didn't find jesus while she running around committing every man/wife sin in the the book.  Other wise she would have more than one heaven/hell issue on her plate.

    And while I doubt the judge will throw her in jail, I think that is were she belongs.  I don't care if she is a martyr for the lunatics, and as someone mentioned yesterday, an example has to be made, your new founded religious views do not allow you to refuse to sign something stating the information is accurate.

    Although a cop refusing to sign a ticket because of religious convictions would be awesome, just kidding.  But just as ridiculous if the speeder way gay.

    Speaking of, the media has failed to point this out, she is no way authorizes a marriage, straight or gay, her signature is a validation of the technical information on the certificate.  She is the only one who thinks she is sanctioning gay marriage by signing the cert.


    I don't have a problem with (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:28:35 PM EST
    anyone who, for whatever reason, and by whatever means, makes a commitment to change his or her ways.

    What I do have a problem with is people who decide that they must impose their new-found commitment on others.  In the case of Kim Davis, she has, by virtue of her position as county clerk, the power - or so she believes - to dictate in the name of the Commonwealth of Kentucky who is and isn't permitted to marry.  She believes, apparently, that by not issuing any licenses, she is not discriminating against anyone, but the reality is that she is infringing on the rights of  all those seeking a license, no matter their sexual orientation.  

    If she cannot carry out her duties as County Clerk, she should, as a matter of principle, resign.  


    I don't really want to see her go to jail (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:45:59 PM EST
    either, but the problem with financial sanctions is that others can volunteer to pay them, thus putting no pressure on her to comply. (The point of a contempt sanction -- whether it be financial or even jailing -- is to encourage/pressure the person to comply with the court's command, not to punish her for noncompliance.) And I would guess that she has more than enough supporters to raise enough money to pay plenty of fines. A conundrum. Perhaps the judge could order her to pay a financial sanction and specifically stipulate that she pay it personally, but I am not sure that could be enforced, nor am I sure it would even be lawful.

    The Judge ordered (none / 0) (#72)
    by MKS on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:11:08 PM EST
    the entire office into court....

    The Judge could try and find someone who will issues licenses and fine or jail the rest....


    I am sure the judge is planning (none / 0) (#75)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:19:51 PM EST
    to give them an educational lecture about the separation of church and state. I hope he has something to say to her lawyers also, who seem to be ideologues and on that basis to be giving their clients very bad advice. Of course, I don't really know what advice the lawyers are giving. But the arguments they have made in court for the last several weeks are frivolous (in the legal sense) and hard to think are even being advanced in good faith.

    Well What Do You Do... (none / 0) (#80)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:40:13 PM EST
    ...if you are a lawyer and you don't have a legal leg to stand on.  Rhetorical, the point being if they could make a good argument it would have been made, all they have is frivolous.

    Here is what I don't understand, how is it not a crime to disobey the SCOTUS ?  Basically, above, you mentioned the only reason for jail would be to influence her decision, but she is breaking the law, no ?

    What I am taking away, there is no recourse for elected officials who refuse to abide by the SCOTUS decisions beyond temporary jail for contempt and fines that most likely paid by others.  This seems like a gigantic loop-hole in that anyone with enough funding can say F the SCOTUS.  And if the judge is on board, no jail or fine.  Not that the judge is on board in this case.

    The idea that their ruling, had all clerks stood firm, means absolutely nothing if people don't willingly comply is bothersome to me.

    I would also think she took some sort of pledge to the Constitution, which the SCOTUS has ruled it meant this, meaning she is not defending the Constitution or even abiding by it, and that is not a crime ?

    I really don't it.


    A tale of two counties (from NYT reporting): (none / 0) (#76)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:21:42 PM EST
    Flavis McKinney, 72, a retiree, said he had come to the courthouse "to stand up for God and his word, and to stand up for our clerk."

    Shalma Cercone, 22, a student at nearby Moorhead State University, said, "We're out here trying to support love.  Christianity supposedly supports love in all ways, so it seems kind of contradictory that they're out here, I guess discriminating."  She added, "Its 2015, Times have changed, and I think every one that's an American citizen needs to realize that."

    And, then there is the nut of the problem: "She's a hero," said Florene Whitt, 68, of Morehead, a retired housekeeper who is related to Ms. Davis by marriage (which one is not stated), "she's standing strong against the gays.  And, I agree with her. The Bible says husband and wife. Not two women, and not two stupid men. This world has become so sick that it is ruining our younger generation."


    McKinley/Denali (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:22:19 AM EST
    I have been to Alaska a number of times.  One way to give away your "visitor" status is to refer to the large peak as "McKinley."  It is a matter of Alaskan pride that the mountain is called Denali.

    I have been waiting with bated breath for the Palin response to Mr. Obama accommodating a request that the Alaskan delegation to Congress has been pushing for decades, and stalled by the Ohio delegation.  This is a WIN for Alaskan Republicans.  Hard for them to accept that Obama delivered it.

    Here is Brisket's blog, in which she whines: "By the way, no one is buying the 'Denali is what the Alaskans have called it for years' line. I've never called the mountain Denali .. and neither does anyone I know ..."

    Here is the money quote from her mother's concession speech, I forget which one.  

    "And getting up here I say it is the best road trip in America soaring through nature's finest show. Denali, the great one, soaring under the midnight sun."

    But, isn't it awful that Mt.McKinley's (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:53:59 AM EST
    name change was by dictatorial executive order, And, awful because Obama.

    In a news flash for some Republicans, President George W. Bush changed, by executive order 13428, the name of Caribbean National Forest in Puerto Rico to El Yunque National Forest, on April 2, 2007.  President Bush made the name change to better reflect the cultural and historical feelings of the Puerto Rican people, according to a WH spokesperson.


    Better Yet... (none / 0) (#55)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:18:35 PM EST
    ...the head of the meathead brigade called it Denali in her gubernatorial resignation speech.  Denali was also the Secret Service code name for her.

    And getting up here I say it is the best road trip in America soaring through nature's finest show. Denali, the great one, soaring under the midnight sun.

    Link w/ Video

    Also... Sen. Murkowski


    So...if people can talk about Biden (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:04:16 AM EST
    maybe getting into the race, why not talk about Romney getting in?

    "He's someone to whom civility means a lot. The whole Trump thing really bothers him," a close Romney adviser told me--and some Romney-ites are only too happy to talk up the prospect of their man jumping into the race if the Establishment fails to stop Trump, whose support in Iowa and New Hampshire is currently greater than Jeb Bush's, Scott Walker's, Marco Rubio's, Chris Christie's, and John Kasich's combined. "Mitt wants to run. He never stopped wanting to run," a senior member of his 2012 team told me. Other Romney-ites, watching this cycle's candidates falling short, feel a sense of vindication after all the attacks they endured after Romney's failed 2012 bid. "These guys like Walker and Perry, they were big deals in their states, but you get them onto the national stage and it's a different story," a former Romney adviser told me. "It's like they were in middle school, and now they're freshmen in high school and they're getting their faces slammed in the toilets."

    Charlie Pierce:

    Still, the idea makes sense on paper. The field has been hijacked by an elaborate confidence man, and by a physician whose political ideas are the equivalent of bleeding people with leeches. The dynastic scion of this cycle is campaigning in a style that reminds you of nothing more than Willie Mays in his sad career denouement with the New York Mets. The single-digit crowd is a spectacular gathering of warmongering chickenhawks, failed governors, and outright theocrats. The smart money, such as it is, has got to be looking for a lifeboat right now, and why not choose the one that got you almost all the way to dry land last time? I'm not sure, but it may be time for me to dust off that old fedora, the one with the green feather, and take up my old job as a speechwriting consultant from last time.

    He's Mitt Romney, b!tches, and he's all you got left.

    My bet is that neither are running (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:05:44 AM EST
    OTOH (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:11:34 AM EST
    i really really really hope Mittens jumps in to save the day.   I would love to see what Donald did to him.

    Frank Brunu admires (none / 0) (#78)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:22:56 PM EST
    Biden but urges him not to run. But first Bruni must again tell us how much and why he detests Hillary Clinton:

    But while many Democrats have enormous respect for him and he's done plenty to deserve it, this isn't really about him. It's about Hillary Clinton: her presumptuousness, the whole email mess, the sloppy administration of the Clinton Foundation, the sense that scandals are as inextricable from her political identity as pantsuits.

    Well (none / 0) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:40:24 PM EST
    doesn't that just drip smarmy sanctimony.

    Yes, whenever Bruni (and MoDo) (none / 0) (#83)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:45:30 PM EST
    discuss whatever, he manages more digs on Clinton than an archaeologic discovery.  It may be careerism and/or facing a blank slate as deadlines approach--always a good filler.

    god I love this (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by CST on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:36:28 AM EST
    "He's someone to whom civility means a lot. The whole Trump thing really bothers him,"

    This describes a lot of northeast republicans to a T.  Nevermind that a lot of the policy in question is abhorrent.  We've got to be polite about it and put "lipstick on that pig".


    There's a great line... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:43:46 AM EST
    in the Bessie Smith biopic "Bessie" you reminded me of that kinda applies...

    "White folks in the south don't care how close you get as long as you don't get too big. And white folks in the north don't care how big you get as long as you don't get too close."

    Romney (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:20:39 AM EST
    jumping in is completely irrational. It's not like he's going to take any voters away from Trump.

    I think the GOP establishment is (none / 0) (#30)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:37:09 AM EST
    just utterly desperate to find someone, anyone, who can end the nightmare that is Donald Trump - and Ben Carson (not that the more establishment candidates on the roster are really any better).

    Problem is that to the extent the GOP has pandered to that segment of the party, to the extent they have allowed themselves to be associated with Fox News, making a deal with the devil just to win elections, this is the result - this is the monster they have created.

    So, now they realize they may have to live with it, and they are grasping at straws for a way out.

    Looking ahead to a possible Trump/Clinton race, I cannot even begin to fathom the level of misogyny that will be generated; I don't think I can take it.


    I'm not (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:42:44 AM EST
    sure the misogyny is going to be any worse from Trump than it would be from any of the other Republicans.

    But I agree they are grasping at straws.


    It's Less Sutble... (none / 0) (#57)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:25:43 PM EST
    ...which IMO is one of the things I hate about living in the south, the subtlety & politeness of ugly.

    At least you know what Donald thinks, and as ugly as it is, he will never have a hidden camera moocher class moment.


    The Iran Deal (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:04:27 AM EST
    looks to be a done deal with enough Senators now backing the plan to prevent any potential veto override from the GOP.

    I don't get the anti-deal (none / 0) (#46)
    by MKS on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:49:35 AM EST
    commercials running on t.v.

    They are aimed at the militaristic wackos on the right.  But they needed to convince Democrats in order to block the deal.  

    Are they so insular that they can't help it, and they are only able to toss their own talking points back and forth?  

    The t.v. commercials run by the anti-deal groups are a waste of time and money. The consultants sure fleeced some right wingers....


    Wealthy People (none / 0) (#51)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:59:40 AM EST
    Attempting to gain a political edge through the use of their money and failing is not a waste of money, but rather the only known successful version of trickle down economics.

    Haha (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 07:07:14 AM EST
    Jennifer Rubin GOP voters are morons

    Whose campaign is she (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 08:10:07 AM EST
    looking to work for?

    Seriously, aside from the contempt she clearly has for Donald Trump, she also apparently thinks the GOP/conservative voters are way down there on the IQ scale, as are the candidates themselves.

    I've decided that it isn't at all funny that (1) this is the state of the electorate, and (2) this is the state of the candidates.  Maybe one deserves the other, or one is the result of the other - I don't know.

    I just know that I spend most of my time now in a state of utter befuddlement that any of this makes sense to anyone.


    I don't (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:32:07 AM EST
    know that it is the state of the electorate but it certainly seems to be the state of the GOP. When you feed your voters a constant diet of garbage then you get an informed bunch of voters. The GOP is going to have to do something about Fox News and talk radio if they are ever going to be a rational political party again.

    I think what will be really interesting to me (none / 0) (#21)
    by CST on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:45:38 AM EST
    Over the next few weeks is see how the "moderate" attacks pan out.  It could go a number of ways.

    1 - Trump could become less moderate.  No one will care what his past views are.

    2 - Trump could tell everyone to shove it, that his views are better, and people will still love him and fox will implode.

    3 - Trump could tell everyone to shove it and people abandon him and everything is nice and shiny in the GOP.

    Let's just say I'm really hoping for door number 2.  I think it presents the first real crack in the GOP economic rigidity we've seen in a long time.  I hope it finds a way to sustain itself past this election (after Trump presumably loses).


    Well (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:24:46 AM EST
    so far the attack ad Jeb ran was meh. It was basically saying the same things the GOP has been saying about Trump and nobody cares. I would think number 2 is most likely because that's been the history with Trump.

    There's no way anything goes back to nice and shiny after all this. Trump has gotten so much attention you would have to be living in a cave to not know exactly what he stands for. I don't see how the GOP de-Trumps itself at this point. Those Trump voters sure aren't going to show up for Jeb after seeing Trump. Maybe someone like Ted Cruz would be able to pick up Trump's voters if he faltered.


    More Options Than 3... (none / 0) (#65)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:45:12 PM EST
    ...like Donald remains the same, so does his disciples, and Fox News get behind him once they swallow that large inevitable pill of reality.

    I get the feeling they could find a video of Trump F-ing a goat and he would only get more popular.  No one cares Kim Davis was married 3 times, that Trump used to support abortion, or that the 14th Amendment is here to stay.  They care about what they are saying today, and today he is unhinged, but the kind they like a whole lot.  If they had any sense they stop getting rolled over by every charlatan who uses religion to dupe them, again and again.

    But what else are they going to do, get behind HRC ?  Same with Fox, they either get on board or hand HRC the Presidency for 8 years.  Trump has shown he is King Dingaling.

    We had this exact same discussion over Romney, the crew did not like him, but in the end, he was their guy.


    yea but Romney (none / 0) (#68)
    by CST on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:52:08 PM EST
    also played ball.

    His willingness to capitulate on issues was astounding.

    Trump won't.  And I agree that is what may happen, but that's also kind of what I mean by Option 2.  They'll play ball with him, and perhaps in the process lose their economic dogma.


    Jennifer Rubin (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 07:13:11 AM EST
    is a moron and a GOP establishment mouthpiece.   Her fretting condescendtion pleases me.

    Me too (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 07:21:43 AM EST

    Funny (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 07:33:27 AM EST
    on Mourning Joe they are having vapors over the recent polling that say 66% of Donald Trump supporters think Obama is a Muslim.  This is delivered with somber side eye by Mica who quickly and parenthetical adds under her breath that "it's 12 points higher than the "main stream" of the Republican Party"

    If 66% is "12 points higher" (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 08:56:18 AM EST
    then 54 percent -- a significant majority -- of Republicans (or perhaps, Republican voters) hold the same willfully ignorant, bigoted opinion. And, inferentially, are immune to factual information.

    tee hee (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 07:53:56 AM EST
    Where have they been for the last seven years?

    Exactly - that is what amazes me about all (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:37:24 AM EST
    of this GOP 'concern' about Trump and his supporters...they are the same 25% of the party that have always been there. The GOP has depended on their votes in the last however-many election cycles. Now they have a mouthpiece that catches the media's attention and shines the light on the crazy. I do give Trump credit for calling out the GOP on their hypocrisy.

    According to (none / 0) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:41:26 PM EST
    polling it's now over 50% who think that way.

    Ready or not, here it comes (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 07:16:46 AM EST

    GM embryos: time for ethics debate, say scientists

    Leading UK research funders are calling for an urgent national debate on the ethics of genetically modifying human embryos and other tissues to prevent serious diseases.

    The plea has been prompted by scientists' rapid progress in developing a powerful tool called genome editing, which has the potential to transform the treatment of genetic conditions by rewriting the DNA code of affected cells.

    The title says "scientists say".  It seems more like science funders say.

    "Blowhards who can't do science say" (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 08:59:32 AM EST
    The Chinese reach for the stars.  

    - while B/S addicted western conservatives reach for their caves.


    Okay, so I've been listening (none / 0) (#49)
    by sj on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:54:32 AM EST
    to a lot of Radiolab podcasts on my commute lately, just kind of catching up, so I just heard about CRISPR. I don't know what they mean about "research funders" but I think the ethics discussion is not only warranted but long overdue.

    You might like the podcast. I love Radiolab, I get all kinds of science-y stuff in a way that doesn't put me to sleep.


    Does (none / 0) (#9)
    by FlJoe on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 08:11:04 AM EST
    anybody else get homicidal urges when watching this vile creature and his demon spawn spew uncontested lies, or am I just oversensitive to sociopathic war criminals.

    You are not alone (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:39:37 AM EST
    They are detestable.

    They think Joe will run, I hope it proves to be yet another thing they get wrong.


    Cheney convinces me (none / 0) (#42)
    by MKS on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:44:36 AM EST
    evil does exist.

    Personally, I shy away from ... (none / 0) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:38:04 PM EST
    ... regular use of a loaded term such as "evil," because it too easily lends itself to hyperbole and we've certainly seen much worse in history than Dick Cheney, relatively speaking.

    But that said, I'm definitely of the opinion that Cheney is a likely sociopath. Given his public statements and political behavior, he's proved himself positively Nixonian, and is one of the most amoral individuals to have ever held high office in this country.



    If he is not actually evil, but (none / 0) (#84)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:48:08 PM EST
    "merely" a sociopath, it could at least be said, I think, that he used his power to tap into the worst parts of people's character and consciousness in order to satisfy and carry out his own sick agenda.

    I might even go so far as to speculate that the events of September 11th, rather than cause him any particular emotional pain, just provided him with all the reason he needed to sell his dark and damaging vision to a country that was paralyzed with fear and grief.


    You're definitely not alone (none / 0) (#53)
    by sj on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:07:59 PM EST
    Unarmed Texas citizen gunned down by cops (none / 0) (#10)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 08:41:10 AM EST
    A second video (none / 0) (#19)
    by jbindc on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:29:59 AM EST
    Reportedly shows "unarmed" man had a knife in his hand.

    Not sure what to think here (1.00 / 1) (#44)
    by sj on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:45:31 AM EST
    Except that

    1. Good thing you said "reportedly" since your link didn't actually have a video. It had just two sentences and piles and piles of advertising and moving parts, so... thank you for that. It locked up my laptop while it loaded.

    2. If such a video actually exists, and, if the first video shows him with his hands up (full disclosure: I find it nearly impossible to watch video of someone's death, so I'm trusting the reporting on this one) then presumably the knife would either be
          a) in his hands, which were up, or
          b) elsewhere on his person which would be inaccessible to his hands, which were up

    3. Having a knife is not a capital offense.

    I guess I'm thinking a lot of things, including that your attempt to excuse this is typical.


    There was no video to see because (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:14:37 PM EST
    it hasn't been made public.

    I didn't read any opinion one way or the other in jb's comment, so I don't understand your leap from her letting people know there may be more to the incident, to her making any excuses for the shooting.  

    It strikes me that you may be as guilty of making assumptions as you have accused jb of doing.


    Yes, she does that a lot (none / 0) (#56)
    by jbindc on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:23:53 PM EST
    She presumed to know what people mean, when. In fact, she usually doesn't have a clue.. You're right, Anne, I didn't offer an opinion, because I don't know all the facts.  

    Here, maybe this might help you.

    A second video has emerged showing two Texas police officers shoot and kill a man who appears to have had his hands up.

    The new video shows, a "very clear view" of the confrontation, Bexar County District Attorney Nico LaHood said Tuesday. LaHood said it was unclear what the suspect's intent was in raising his hands and cautioned against a rush to judgment.

    "I don't know what his intent was," he said. "All I can tell you is the video is disturbing. But my encouragement to everyone is to press the pause button."

    The shooting was first seen by the public in cell phone footage obtained by a local TV station, KSAT, and available on its website, which shows two San Antonio-area sheriff's deputies shooting 41-year-old Gilbert Flores Friday after they responded to a domestic disturbance call.

    According to another station, KENS-TV, police said the deputies found a woman who was bleeding from her head and holding a toddler, who also may have been hurt.

    At first, Flores is seen running shirtless in front of a home as the officers approach him. He then seems to put his hands up moments before they shoot him to the ground.


    The incident began when deputies received a call to a block in the northwest section of the city regarding a woman who allegedly had been assaulted, according to Bexar County Sheriff's Office public information officer James Keith.

    According to Keith, Flores at one point grabbed a deputy's taser and threw it as deputies attempted to use non-lethal force during the approximately 20-minute confrontation.

    Because the video is shot from a distance, it's not clear whether Flores is holding a knife, and though it's clear Flores has one hand up, the other is obscured by a utility pole.

    Okay that's a fair criticism (none / 0) (#60)
    by sj on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:32:42 PM EST
    because I do look at your comments through a lens of "that's our law'n'order, jb". The fact that you rarely disappoint is sort of irrelevant, I guess.

    But I was seriously annoyed at the link which had no information but piles of adverts, that locked. up. my. laptop. If you aren't going to give any more information than is provided by two sentences at least provide a warning that that's what we get if we are stupid enough to click.


    Since it worked fine (1.00 / 1) (#62)
    by jbindc on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:42:37 PM EST
    On both my phone and computer. Why would I assume it wouldn't work on yours??

    But you don't disappoint. Assuming the police are guilty while remaining fact-free - that's our sj! And then, while admitting your rash judgments, you, as always, still have to give snide commentary without any substance.  

    Seems like you might want to clean your lenses.


    To be clear (none / 0) (#70)
    by sj on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:09:33 PM EST
    I wasn't saying I needed a warning that said "Watch out! this may lock your computer". But I would like a warning that says "Watch out! This link will give you two sentences and about thirty ads!"

    Better yet, have links with more than two sentences.


    CAUTION!!! Opening the (none / 0) (#74)
    by oculus on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:19:44 PM EST
    link may harm your computer. Do you wish to proceed?  



    Come On... (none / 0) (#77)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:21:57 PM EST
    ...you can see the link before you hit it.

    The news sites are definitely a mixed bunch, but depending on your config, the site, which didn't bother my PC, does not effect all computers the same.  I have Ad Block and Adobe plugin set for authorize because my home computer is getting old, but at work none of it because they filter a lot of cr@p for me.

    There is no guarantee that all links are going to work on all computers, and acting like no warning is some big deal is silly.  It's on you, not us, to ensure your computer can handle the content.

    When you scroll over a link, without clicking, the actual link should appear in your bottom bar.  Don't click on USA Today links.  I would recommend setting your Flash plugin to 'Ask to Activate' rather than 'Always Active'.  It stops many ads from playing and showing without consent.


    Wev (none / 0) (#86)
    by sj on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:58:40 PM EST
    Maybe. I don't know. But seriously? Two sentences? Literally, it had two sentences. And lots and lots of crap. I just wouldn't do that. To anybody. Not without a warning. I think that's a first cousin to spamming.

    And you are assuming that I don't look at links in advance. You would be wrong. I never look at USA Today, either. Or MSNBC. Rarely on YouTube or Huffington Post or Daily Mail and never for tinyurl.

    If I had parsed the link mentally instead of just spot checked I could have concluded that it was a "news" site. Or alternatively, I could have been notified that there was as much information in the link as there was in her one sentence comment.


    Where did I use the word (none / 0) (#73)
    by sj on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:12:24 PM EST
    "guilty" or "police"? I took your criticism as valid. Now shine that lens on yourself.

    I hate it when that happens. (none / 0) (#85)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:58:24 PM EST
    sj: "Good thing you said 'reportedly' since your link didn't actually have a video. It had just two sentences and piles and piles of advertising and moving parts, so... thank you for that. It locked up my laptop while it loaded."

    SFGate.com, the parent website for the San Francisco Chronicle, has so many long-running video ad scripts on its pages nowadays that they often take forever to load, which renders the site practically unusable. That's unfortunate, because the Chronicle is otherwise a good paper for news about California, albeit one which I now tend to avoid online.

    The Los Angeles Times was also headed in a similar direction when they recently overhauled their website, but they've since cleaned up their online act considerably after numerous customer / subscriber complaints about frozen and crashing browsers.



    please put your urls in html (none / 0) (#11)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 08:52:43 AM EST
    format. Long ones skew the site. I have to delete the comment as I can't edit them.

    Today is (none / 0) (#15)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:05:35 AM EST
    Freddie Gray Court Day

    Several things could happen during the pretrial hearing, including:

    • Mosby's office could be recused.

    • The case could be dismissed for prosecutorial misconduct.

    • The court could discuss how and whether the officers will be tried, together or separately.

    I'll take (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:26:56 AM EST
    ...door number three.

    I hope they throw the library at them.


    Judge has denied the defense's (none / 0) (#32)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:25:14 AM EST
    motions to recuse Mosby, and dismiss charges; when court reconvenes this afternoon, motion to separate will be heard.


    Anybody else seen... (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:14:36 AM EST
    the film "Kill The Messenger", currently on heavy rotation on HBO?  The based on a true story of investigative reporter Gary Webb, who you may recall revealed the CIA-backed cocaine dealing to fund the Contras, which in part caused the rise of crack cocaine.  It was a pretty good film.

    Ed Snowden kinda reminds me of the late great Mr. Webb...the way the story became about Webb/Snowden instead of the scary truths they revealed about our lawless government.

    Also was left to ponder if the CIA is involved in heroin dealing today, with the streets awash in smack now like they were with crack in the 80's.  And pondering how the CIA is so much powerful today than they were in the 80's..scary f*ckin' thought!

    Snowden? (none / 0) (#34)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:32:49 AM EST
    The same guy that thinks Bin Laden is eating a grilled Mahi sandwich with a side of conch salad, while sipping on a Gully Wash in the Bahamas this afternoon?

    Good a guess as any... (none / 0) (#36)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:34:25 AM EST
    I think he's got his old office back in Langley, clean shaven and going by the name of Oliver Laden.

    I have it good authority (none / 0) (#67)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:47:57 PM EST
    that Bin Laden is currently living in West Bank settlement and also playing Fagin in a dinner theatre revival of Oliver!

    Just saw it (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:40:36 AM EST
    very good.  

    I remember Carl Bernstein in the Seventies (none / 0) (#59)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:29:44 PM EST
    talking about the fact that going back to the Fifties, the CIA had employed, at one time or another 400 American journalists from our "independent press", and that the Church Committee had redacted that information from it's final report..

    Of course the weasels all tried to destroy Gary Webb..  


    I think they succeeded in that effort, (none / 0) (#64)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:44:19 PM EST
    didn't they?

    I'm afraid so... (none / 0) (#69)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:08:25 PM EST
    if in fact Webb shot himself in the head twice after being blacklisted by CIA stooges in the media and unable to support his family.

    Too coincidental for the CIA's Most Wanted Man in America to also be the one in a million shot suicide that requires two bullets for me...I ain't ever buying that sh*t.


    Two bullets to the head (none / 0) (#82)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:44:39 PM EST
    is pretty much hired assassin sop practically since they invented handguns..

    A country that employs Contra and Cuban ex-pat terrorists, thugs, and drug dealers and destroys a Gary Webb is a country that can not long endure..


    Has anyone heard of Movie2k before? (none / 0) (#33)
    by topcheese on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:27:30 AM EST
    I have been looking for ways to watch movies online and I find it very difficult, but I found this service http://movie2k.io and it seems to work really well for watching movies. Has anyone ever heard of movie2k?

    No.... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:32:59 AM EST
    but I've heard of you, Spammer Man.  Get a job bottomcheese! ;)

    All cheese no crust? (none / 0) (#43)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:44:45 AM EST
    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#48)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:53:59 AM EST
    seems to me

    Long Island Dweller to... (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:54:35 AM EST
    Upstate NY secessionists...go ahead, make our day!  But I want the New Amsterdam name, you keep New York.  And Cuomo goes with you!  

    An angry band of the last surviving (none / 0) (#63)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 12:43:47 PM EST
    Civil War veterans in New York State; pumped up by talk radio and enraged over anti-fracking regulations and the SAFE Act..

    My door... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 01:10:31 PM EST
    is always open for a refugee of your caliber, old friend.

    What happens to all the prisons and prison guards without a steady stream of downstate youth?  Do the screws take up fracking?