Memorial Day Open Thread

Today we justly honor the many men and women who died while serving in our Armed Forces.

This year, more than most, I'm struck by the fact that war is not a distant memory, or an occasional event, but an ever-present condition.

In war news, Iraqi forces stormed Fallujah early this morning, backed by U.S. aircraft, to retake the city from ISIS. In Baghdad yesterday, ISIS suicide bombings claimed the lives of more than 20 people.

Meanwhile more than 700 migrants, including children, may have died in sea crossings this week.

Hopefully, some of you have something cheerful to write about, even if it's just how you spent your weekend. This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    "Feel the Math." (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 30, 2016 at 10:50:42 AM EST
    Paul Krugman, NYTimes, May 30,2016, offers numerate therapy: Why Hillary will be the nominee and why she is ahead of Trump.

    The strange thing about this column (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 30, 2016 at 06:45:45 PM EST
    Is how excited people seem to be about it.   It's everywhere.  Like, OMG someone is actually talking RATIONALLY about this election.    

    And he's sure right about one thing.  Political reporting is often the worst of the worst but this year they have out done themselves.  They have literally become self parody.   Its sad and scary.


    There was a good Amy Davidson piece (none / 0) (#25)
    by Mr Natural on Mon May 30, 2016 at 07:33:55 PM EST
    last night, I think, on newyorker radio.  Quite a contrast with the usual frantic projectile-regurgitation of polling data.   She discussed choices made at a couple of past conventions, 1924 and 1982.

    I've been watching House of Cards (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 30, 2016 at 08:43:44 PM EST
    Im not saying I disapprove of actual news people doing the show.  i don't.  but its just a little weird.  and i think it adds to the growing feeling that politics is show business.  a little around the edges.

    i totally get the idea of peeking behind the curtain.   i just think there's more than one curtain and the idea of peeking behind "it" is itself sort of dishonest.

    i love House of Cards.


    Yes, good piece/reminder (none / 0) (#44)
    by Nemi on Tue May 31, 2016 at 06:40:12 AM EST
    But, sadly, he isn't the only one experiencing this:

    I know this isn't scientific, but based on conversations I've had recently, many people -- smart people, who read newspapers and try to keep track of events -- have been given a fundamentally wrong impression of the current state of play.

    By a good friend and former (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by oculus on Mon May 30, 2016 at 11:30:13 AM EST
    I have always been moved... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by desertswine on Mon May 30, 2016 at 11:43:59 AM EST
    While it's true (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 30, 2016 at 12:52:57 PM EST
    War is not a distant memory but a continuing condition, I think  it sometimes tends to seem  distant to most of the country because so small a percentage of the country has loved ones fighting them.

    While being the (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by BTAL on Mon May 30, 2016 at 03:58:26 PM EST
    hard-hearted, cold-blooded, every man for himself, selfish conservative bastard Republican voter that those on the left stereotype my type.

    I shed actual tears on this day when remembering my fellow service mates and especially those whose sacrifices were 1000% more than the years I spend in the military.

    A firm but kind rebuff is given to friends and family who make a point of thanking me for my service with the reminder of those who we memorialize with this day.

    God bless them all.

    P.S. An thank each of you here, regardless of political bent for your thoughts and remembrances today.

    I was (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 30, 2016 at 04:07:59 PM EST
    told by someone who works with PSTD veterans to not say "thank you for your service" but to say I appreciate your sacrifices.

    Something cheerful: Cubs currently (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by caseyOR on Mon May 30, 2016 at 06:01:46 PM EST
    have the best record in all of major league baseball. And at this very moment, in the bottom of the 6th, the Cubs lead the Dodgers 2-0.

    I know, i know, it is only May, still a lot of baseball left to play. And it is the Cubs. Still, this team seems pretty tight. So far, not given to bumbling mistakes.

    So, right now, I am a very happy Cubs fan. Very happy.

    GO, CUBS!!!!!

    Though rarely acknowledged (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by CoralGables on Mon May 30, 2016 at 09:36:47 PM EST
    a win in May = a win in September.

    Take them anytime you can get them.


    Very good point!!!! (none / 0) (#32)
    by ruffian on Mon May 30, 2016 at 09:41:04 PM EST
    I looked at the standings over the weekend in awe (none / 0) (#29)
    by ruffian on Mon May 30, 2016 at 09:34:50 PM EST
    too. .702. Unbelievable. Yes, it is is only May -almost June! - but we are allowed to savor the success.

    What could go wrong? :-)


    Just so you know--the Dodger (none / 0) (#35)
    by oculus on Mon May 30, 2016 at 10:57:23 PM EST
    aren't doing very well this season (yet).  

    The Dodgers also weren't doing too well ... (none / 0) (#38)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 30, 2016 at 11:31:03 PM EST
    ... a few years ago, until they went on that mid-season tear and won 43 out of 50. There's still another four months to go. But that said, the law of averages suggests that 108 years after their last World Series title, this may finally be the Cubbies' year.

    Of course, I thought that same thing about the Cubs back in 2008, when they finished the season with the best record in the National League, and drew for their first-round NLDS matchup what appeared to be a mediocre Dodgers team that finished only six games above .500.

    But much to my surprise -- as well as everyone else's, no doubt -- the Cubs' bats went limp and my Dodgers put them away in three games. A lot of hearts were broken in Chicago that season, perhaps more so than any other year.



    Hello Uncle Benjen (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 30, 2016 at 07:28:20 AM EST
    Probably best not to think to much about what Drogo has been eating to get so big.

    I'm beginning to miss Joffrey.

    And (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 30, 2016 at 06:49:49 PM EST
    I can't wait to see Arya use Needle on  that b!tch that's been smacking her in the head with a club for 2 seasons.

    Hello, I'm Arya.  SAY HELLO TO MY LEETLE FRIN!


    I am glad about it too but curious (none / 0) (#28)
    by ruffian on Mon May 30, 2016 at 09:31:00 PM EST
    about what it was about the conversation with the actress that turned her around? Was it that the actress really looked at her and saw something in her face?  First time anyone has done that since she left Winterfell.

    Yes, let Needle loose on stick girl.


    `i think she has been (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 30, 2016 at 09:52:06 PM EST
    having doubts about the whole deal for a while.   she got all kinds of hell for killing someone who clearly deserved to die because, why?  no one paid to have him killed?  then she is supposed to kill this woman because a jealous coworker wanted her dead and paid for it?  what bullsh!t.  the faceless god is full of it.  but what if this is all still just testing?  the faceless god has a pretty big reach and a pretty deep history to be a BS murder for hire racket.  maybe it was to see if she would really do it?

    also, you will like this.

    Brandon Stark Theories after The Door

    was he Brandon the Builder 5000 years ago?  did he drive the Mad King mad?  is he The Lord of Light?


    the Unified Theory of Bran (none / 0) (#57)
    by ruffian on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:39:45 AM EST
    It could all be true...I have to remember this is all a fantasy world...he can just make sh** up....my least favorite aspect of the show!

    I guess it's more interesting than any reasons more 'reality based' shows would have for the Mad King going mad. I just assumed it was the inbreeding and did not even look for another reason.

    True, we are probably not done with the faceless god - seems like a battle of the gods is part of the end game. So far the Lord of Light has my vote - I think Melisandre just made an interpretation mistake with the child burning at the stake thing.


    Yes (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:54:39 AM EST
    Suppose the Mad King thing is true, I agree with the piece the flashback thing supports it, and suppose the NEW red woman was telling Varys the truth and she really does know "who the voice was" and suppose she really is all in for the Mother of Dragons and she tells her why he ancestor lost it?

    I so love this show.  

    Are you up on Penny Dreadful?


    Not up with Penny Dreadful yet! (none / 0) (#75)
    by ruffian on Tue May 31, 2016 at 12:00:28 PM EST
    I chose the Bloodline oath over the weekend...maybe this week I'll catch up on PD.

    Riddle me this (none / 0) (#66)
    by ragebot on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:58:41 AM EST
    Margaery always seemed like a level headed character, and while some what controlled by others Tommen as well; so how did the High Sparrow get his claws into both of them.

    Margaery said the High Sparrow was responsible for her seeing she was really playing like she was a good person helping the poor for PR sake, not some one who was doing it because it was the right thing to do.  Something I agree with and think it has merit in the bigger picture.

    Not saying the Lord of Light or Faceless God don't have chops, just that until episode six I may have underestimated the High Sparrow.


    Also (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 31, 2016 at 11:02:18 AM EST
    When she saw her brother she was clearly not yet "converted".  I agree she may have other plans.  As Lady Olenna said to her "I was good.  I was very very good.  YOU are better"

    I think (hope) Margaery is just faking it (none / 0) (#73)
    by ruffian on Tue May 31, 2016 at 11:58:03 AM EST
    It did get her what she wanted - out of jail and in charge as queen, Tommen choosing her over Cercei and Jaime. Maybe she thinks she can manage the High Sparrow and his minnions until she gets Loras out of the slammer.

    Would not be the first double cross in (none / 0) (#79)
    by ragebot on Tue May 31, 2016 at 12:43:55 PM EST
    GOT.  The thing is Tommen seems to have bought in hook, line, and sinker.  He seems to be getting more independent of Jamie and Cercie. It may only be a matter of time before he becomes his own man with Margaery as well.

    Both Tommen and Margaery seem to think there is more to the High Sparrow than they initially thought.

    Last week lots of folks, me included, thought Jamie would ride in on a white horse and end both the High Sparrow and the power of his followers.  Instead Jamie is banished to leading an army in far off lands, something that has not worked out well for him in the past.

    He does seem headed in the same direction as Brianne so maybe he will hook up with her again as they both seemed to have mutual attraction; but that is speculation on my part.

    I still give an up arrow to the High Sparrow after this week's show.


    Glad Uncle Benjen is back... (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Mon May 30, 2016 at 09:40:08 PM EST
    He is in a lot better shape then Uncle Edmuir Tully!

    Is this season the gathering of the uncles? we also have uncle whatshisface on the loose going after Theon and Vara... and uncle-dad Jaime spoiling for a fight.

    Nice dragon scene!


    if previously TV still wrote about (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 30, 2016 at 09:59:54 PM EST
    shows anyone cared about they would have one of those things they used to do like "Who's Father is a Bigger A$$hole --  Randay Tarley or Jared Talbot"

    Looks like the speculation of the (none / 0) (#48)
    by ragebot on Tue May 31, 2016 at 09:22:29 AM EST
    High Sparrow's demise is premature.  In fact he (and his followers) seem more powerful than ever with the King and Queen now supporting him.  Even if Jamie and Cerci are plotting; but they are always plotting.

    No updates on what is going on with the Lord of Light's minions but clearly they are a force.  Looks like the Mother of Dragons is moving up but she still needs a thousand ships; something she may have to pay the iron price for since the Greyjoys are suppose to be building a thousand ships if last weeks show is correct.

    No mention of Jon Snow this week (except a blurb from Sam about being his bud who hunts rabbits) but speculation about just who Jon Snow's real parents are.  Last week Ned was at some out of the way castle defending something inside; was it Jon's real mother giving birth and is his real mother a Targaryen?

    So who seems to be the most powerful faction now.  I am betting it is Bran.  Kinda reminds me of a protest sign I saw "what do we want, time travel; when do we want it, it's irrelevant".


    Answer to this I believe... (none / 0) (#59)
    by ruffian on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:41:34 AM EST
    Last week Ned was at some out of the way castle defending something inside; was it Jon's real mother giving birth and is his real mother a Targaryen?

    Jon's mother is Ned's sister and his father is a Targaryen.


    Who sent (none / 0) (#63)
    by ragebot on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:46:13 AM EST
    Ned there and could he be Jon Snow's father.  Hint he was a king and a Targaryen.

    I do think they have (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:58:57 AM EST
    Toyed with and teased this for so long there almost has to be a surprise beyond the now rather tired R+L=J.

    Yeah, I was wondering about that. (none / 0) (#74)
    by ruffian on Tue May 31, 2016 at 11:59:17 AM EST
    Once I think I understand something, it usually turns out to be wrong.

    same for me (none / 0) (#80)
    by ragebot on Tue May 31, 2016 at 12:44:58 PM EST
    and not just in GOT

    Enjoyed (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 30, 2016 at 08:06:57 AM EST
    the discussion on the other thread about Welcome to the Dollhouse but apparently more people know about the X rated movie with a similar name. LOL.

    Worth rememtioning (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 30, 2016 at 08:11:47 AM EST
    That the new movie "Weiner Dog" is sort of a sequel.  Tho the grown up WTTD character is only one of several (and not the original actor) encounter by the adventurous Weiner dog.

    I do love the idea of Danny DeVito in a Todd Solondz movie.  He was born to do it.


    We are doing (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 30, 2016 at 08:32:03 AM EST
    a "block" party sort of. My neighbors across the street are from NJ and NY. One of my best friends grew up in NJ and talked about block parties. However I am not too hopeful that this kind of thing is going to work here because my neighbors are strange and unfriendly except strangely the ones who supposedly come from the unfriendly states of NJ and NY. This is the worst neighborhood I have ever lived in and unfortunately it's the one I've lived in the longest.

    I have lived many places (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 30, 2016 at 08:45:44 AM EST
    Personally I found NY and NJ to be very friendly places.   But I understand why a southerner used to the smarmy bullsh!t "I'm so nice while I shiv you in the kidney" southern attitude  might find the brutaly direct NewYorker, who if they dislike you are happy to say so to your face, off putting.

    That's pretty (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 30, 2016 at 09:30:19 AM EST
    much been my observation. It's okay to slice someone up as long as you do it behind their back in the south. Tiresome!

    Why bless your heart! (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 30, 2016 at 11:13:39 AM EST

    It's been my experience that ... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 30, 2016 at 05:23:03 PM EST
    ... regardless of whatever region or locale from which they might hail, people are perfectly capable of saying and doing all sorts of things behind someone else's back. I think that's just human nature.

    We see it play out on a daily basis in personal behavior in online forums. Posters apparently have no problem being horrid, vile and cruel to others when they're commenting anonymously under a pseudonym, offering up the sort of wretched stuff that they'd otherwise never say if they actually had to sign off under their own name.

    And I think we're all guilty of that to a great extent, particularly when we gossip. I don't see southerners as any more prone to that than anybody else. Maybe that sort of behavior becomes more noticeable in southerners because at least from my perspective, they otherwise tend to be better-mannered in social interactions than, say, my fellow Southern Californians. To me anyway, southerners are more likely to say "please," "thank you" and "bless you" than others.

    While that may be superficial, good manners are something I notice. It might also be the case that when I interact with southerners out here or on the west coast, they're conscious of the fact that they're visitors who are on my turf, and so they seek to put me at ease. Maybe my perspective might be different were I to actually live in the South among them.



    They are so tolerant, too! (none / 0) (#40)
    by ExPatObserver on Tue May 31, 2016 at 12:41:23 AM EST
    I was in the South for a couple of years. I was singing in a choir at the Episcopal church.
    One day at coffee before the service, the organist, who was quite good and a professor at the local university, pulled close to me and said conspiratorially, "Expatobserver, do you see that guy?"
    "He LOOKS normal"
    I glanced across the parking lot and verified for myself that he looked normal.
    "But he wears an earring!"
    "By the way, why do you I call you Expatobserver? Don't you have a regular name?"

    It was on that day I vowed to start preparing comebacks and retorts BEFORE I need them.
    Of course I should have said "I dunno, TolerantChurchOrganist, I think any piercing above the navel is respectable".

    This was in 2008, by the way.


    Since we are sharing stories about (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue May 31, 2016 at 09:20:09 AM EST
    regions and peoples behavior...

    Back in the late 60's I was promoted and transferred to my corporation's facility in the Chicago area.

    I wanted to narrow down the selection of our new home before my wife arrived to do the actual selection. (She had some commitments that delayed her trip.) I would drive around after work and take notes and then call the listing number the next day for details.

    Strangely, almost every home had an offer pending..."Sorry we need to change the sign.."....."The seller has decided to keep it...."

    After about a week I went to see our Personnel dude (that's what we called HR) back in the day..

    He laughed and said...they're afraid you're black...


    Eric Holder: Snowden performed Public Service (none / 0) (#11)
    by Mr Natural on Mon May 30, 2016 at 12:10:00 PM EST
    In an interview with David Axelrod on "The Axe Files" podcast, Holder said, "We had the capacity to do a whole range of things under these listening programs, but after a while, I remember sending memos to the president and asking, `Do we really need to do this, given the way in which we are focusing on people's lives and given the return that we were getting?' Which was not, I think in any ways substantial."

    Eric Holder's statement that (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 30, 2016 at 01:54:07 PM EST
    Edward Snowden performed a public service coupled with the earlier statement by President Obama "that he welcomed the debate," deserves a new look at whether Snowden committed a crime or was a patriot who performed a useful act that informed the public of wrongdoing and sparked certain needed reforms.

    For Snowden to return to face the music involves  two charges under the Espionage Act of 1917 where he would not be able to bring up at trial an effective defense that shows he would not be guilty of violating that Act, i.e., to make a public interest defense.

    A public interest defense allows a defendant who disclosed classified or protected information to avoid criminality by establishing that the public interest in disclosure of the information outweighs the public interest in non-disclosure. This gives a defense to whistleblowers of government misconduct.  

    Snowden  would have the opportunity to prove that the information revealed was valuable for informing public debate.  The prosecution would have the burden of showing that the disclosures caused significant harm.  The judge or jury would decide if the benefit outweighs the harm.

    If they decided, yes, the benefit does outweigh the harm, Snowden would have an effective defense and would be found not guilty.  Even if they decided it does not, the punishment would have to be proportionate to the harm caused, weighed against the public interest in disclosure.  

    The Espionage Act means that Snowden faces a long prison sentence, 30 years or more. And, the Act does not provide for a public interest defense. Nor does it require the prosecution to prove that the accused intended to, or actually did, cause harm to national security.

    To provide a fair trial, the government should, at least, alter the charges to theft of government documents, so as to enable  a public interest defense.  

    Of course, as I have opined earlier, Snowden's actions should be treated as that of a whistleblower. But, with high ranking officials, such as John Kerry, calling him a traitor, that does not seem feasible. And, unfortunately, not any time soon.  A trial that permits a defense beyond that provided by an antique law plucked from obscurity by the Obama Administration would be the fair thing to do.


    Are you suggesting that federal criminal law (none / 0) (#14)
    by Peter G on Mon May 30, 2016 at 03:49:46 PM EST
    recognizes any such doctrine as a "public interest defense"? Because I have served as defense counsel for people charged with crimes that they considered "civil disobedience" or as justified (which is how your suggested "public interest" defense would be classified in criminal law doctrine) in many causes over the last 35+ years, and as far as I know the courts do not recognize any such defense. The government might (and should) decline to prosecute in such a case, but if they do prosecute, the defense would have to be grounded in some recognized legal doctrine or principle, not in wishful thinking.

    I believe the (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 30, 2016 at 04:25:43 PM EST
    Constitutionality of applying the Espionage Act of 1917 to leaks is overbroad and is a poor vehicle for prosecuting leaks and whistleblowers. I do not think that issue has every reached the S.S.

     As Holder says, Snowden provided a public service, but he must pay the penalty--he is guilty and all that is left is to dole out the punishment.  Snowden, if he is to face crowds and pitchforks, should be offered a defense.  Yes, the public interest defense is more of European and Canadian law, but a charge that permits Snowden a fair trial by his peers would seem to e a reasonable interpretation of American criminal justice.

    The Espionage Act of 1917 was in effect for over 35 years before "classified" entered the government's lexicon. How else do we fairly prosecute  a non-spy?  Fairly and justly?  If it were in charge (and many are sure glad I am not), I would pardon him in advance (cf. Nixon) and give him the Presidential Medal Of Honor. The Espionage Act of 1917 is misapplied and dangerously used to quell free speech.


    The full quote (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 30, 2016 at 03:52:55 PM EST
    Reads a bit differently

    Chicago (CNN)Former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder says Edward Snowden performed a "public service" by triggering a debate over surveillance techniques, but still must pay a penalty for illegally leaking a trove of classified intelligence documents.

    Captain, I know we (none / 0) (#19)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 30, 2016 at 05:07:48 PM EST
    have a difference on Snowden, but my concern is the use of the Espionage Act of 1917 and the limits of that Act for a defense.  Holder did seem to acknowledge that Snowden was not a spy, since, generally, the government does not view spying against our country as a "public service."  So how do we prosecute Snowden? Who leaked information, that included a denial under oath by Diredctor Clapper (who is still in his job) His actions seem more of whistleblowing, than civil disobedience.

    True, they are probably related, as, maybe, third cousins. But they are different. And, the defenses are, in my view, different as well. Inherent to civil disobedience is to accept the penalty as a part of the act and purpose.   Obstructing traffic for a cause does not necessarily mean a misdeed of the government for placing a stop sign in a particular location.

      Leaking information of government misdeeds for purposes of informing citizens is the act of a whistleblower.  Whistleblowers need protection. And, a defense different from that of civil disobedience.


    I have no legal opinions about Snowden (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 30, 2016 at 06:22:19 PM EST
    Or what he did.  It's not my area.  I defer to you and others for that.  Mine is a gut reaction.  I agree with Holder.   He, in some sense, performed a public service.  
    That said I don't believe that's why he did what he did.  And he along the way broke some very serious laws I happen to mostly agree with.  
    I think Smowden is a fraud and a poseur.  And if he was in fact, as you say, just an honorable whistle blower, like Daniel Ellsberg, would have the courage of his convictions and face the music for what he did.  Not hide behind Putins filthy evil skirts.

    Just my gut opinion.


    I do agree that Snowden performed (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Peter G on Mon May 30, 2016 at 09:12:56 PM EST
    a public service. As a result, I believe he should not be prosecuted. If prosecuted, I hope he prevails and is not punished. I was just pointing out that whether his actions were in the public interest is not a recognized legal defense, either presented to a judge or to the jury.

    Excerpt from the Cincinnati Enquirer: (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Mon May 30, 2016 at 10:59:42 PM EST
    A memorial vigil for Harambe was advertised on Facebook and drew about 50 people to the zoo Monday - the national holiday Memorial Day set aside to honor the country's war dead.

    The vigil was held outside the gates of the Cincinnati Zoo & Botanical Garden at Vine Street and Erkenbrecher Avenue.

    Anthony Seta, 46, of Colerain Township is the self-described animal activist and vigil organizer.

    "People are organizing and blaming the zoo. People are organizing and blaming the mother," Seta said. "Harambe's being forgotten. We have lost a fellow Cincinnatian. He was a 400-pound person."

    Final: Golden State 96, Oklahoma City 88. (none / 0) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 30, 2016 at 11:02:20 PM EST
    In 1979, with his Washington Bullets trailing the San Antonio Spurs in the NBA Eastern Conference Finals, 3 games to 1, Coach Dick Motta memorably quipped to the media, "The opera ain't over 'til the fat lady sings." The Bullets rallied to win three straight games and the series.

    38 years later in Oakland, the fat lady choked on a doughnut in one of the more spectacular fold-ups in recent NBA annals. As a result, the Thunder are now history, while the Warriors are still the defending champions until someone proves otherwise.


    It will be interesting to see what happens (none / 0) (#41)
    by McBain on Tue May 31, 2016 at 01:32:40 AM EST
    to the Thunder.  Does Durant stay in OKC?  I just watched a good ESPN 30 for 30 on the Orlando Magic in the 90s with Shaquille O'Neil and Anfernee Hardaway. They had a lot of talent but couldn't resign Shaq and that was pretty much it.

    It was a strange series, to say the least. (none / 0) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 31, 2016 at 02:39:38 AM EST
    The Thunder looked positively dominant in building a 3-1 series lead. I figured they'd likely lose Game 5 in Oakland, but then they'd take care on business in Game 6 at home in OKC, where they looked unbeatable in Games 3 and 4.

    Instead, they blew a big lead late and collapsed in front of the home folks. Then in Game 7, they started out really strong, only to turn listless in the second half. It's like their heart wasn't in it after halftime.

    Well, anyway, congratulations are certainly due to the Warriors. Great teams find a way to win.



    The fallout from Baylor University's ... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 30, 2016 at 11:54:55 PM EST
    ... football scandal continues to exact its toll as athletic director Ian McCaw, who was placed on probation by the university but still retained to implement the recommendations of a school-requested outside inquiry, instead chose to resign his post today, effective immediately.

    Meanwhile, former Wake Forest coach Jim Grobe has been named the Bears' interim head coach in the wake of Art Briles' dismissal, and four players from Briles' much-lauded 2016 recruiting class have chosen to decommit from the Bears program as a direct result of his firing. Baylor President Kenneth Starr was also removed from his position last week by the Board of Regents, which kept him on as school chancellor.


    The Big 12 (none / 0) (#60)
    by ragebot on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:43:57 AM EST
    seems to be on a downward spiral.  UT has the Longhorn Network which means no good TV deal for the rest of the teams.  No league championship game which means harder to get in the playoffs.  OU had a bad scandal a couple of years ago about their star running back clocking as female at a local ice cream parlor and breaking her face bones and getting off with light punishment.

    Lots of speculation the Big 12 will have to expand or wither on the vine.  This could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.  The Big 12 may go the way of the Big East.


    We had (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 31, 2016 at 06:32:02 AM EST
    the block party and only two families came which did not surprise me. Like I said this neighborhood is full of unfriendly people. I tried a new recipe for potato salad which was just mediocre and tried a recipe for a bread salad which was just awesome.

    A big day for endorsements for Clinton today (none / 0) (#45)
    by CoralGables on Tue May 31, 2016 at 09:10:26 AM EST
    Natural Resources Defense Council Action Fund, a major environmental group, endorsed a presidential candidate for its first time ever.

    "Hillary Clinton is an environmental champion with the passion, experience and savvy to build on President Obama's environmental legacy. More than any other candidate running, Hillary Clinton understands the environmental challenges America faces, and her approach to solving them is grounded in the possibility and promise our democracy affords us."

    It got bigger and better for Clinton after that when California Governor Jerry Brown endorsed her leading into next Tuesday's California primary.

    Vice President Bernie Sanders? (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 31, 2016 at 09:11:25 AM EST
    I'm risking another "1" by ever bringing this up but you know what,  she should consider it.  And I'm she she is.

    Bernie Sanders Doesn't Say No to Hypothetical Clinton VP Slot

    Sanders warns Clinton against moderate as VP

    If Hillary Wins the Nomination She Should Pick Sanders as VP

    I suspect zero chance of that happening (none / 0) (#49)
    by CoralGables on Tue May 31, 2016 at 09:22:37 AM EST
    I would not say zero (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 31, 2016 at 09:32:40 AM EST
    For myself (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 31, 2016 at 09:31:00 AM EST
    I am amazed by the reception Sanders has gotten.  I think the fact that there is a vast left out there starving for progressive ideas and positions is as much of a surprise as what has happened to the republicans.  And I think the two could be related.  Meaning it's in part a reaction to the lurch to the right on the right.
    I feel I understand politics as well as the next person.  I know all the reasons why, in a normal year, a 75 yo socialist would not be the best pick for VP.
    This is not a normal year.  Sanders has started something.  That is undeniable.  It really becoming a movement.  As a democrat I think we would be foolish to not do everything possble to nurture that movement.  To keep those people involved.  IMO anything short of the VP slot will result in many of those people tuning back out.  Why let that happen.  Biden has been VP fir eight years and he hasn't done any harm.   Some people even think his big mouth has had some positive effects.

    Don't knwo (none / 0) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 31, 2016 at 09:37:07 AM EST
    if the upside outweighs the downside on that one. I can't believe Bernie said he should decide who her VP is.

    Spent the holiday (none / 0) (#56)
    by ragebot on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:37:57 AM EST
    at my brothers house.  His family is much more conservative than I am and support Trump.  But his son is in the pipefitters union (makes $US40+ an hour and works 6/10 or 7/12 on most jobs).  He claims most of the union guys are for Sanders with the rest for Trump.  Hillary gets no support.

    My nephew is currently working in NJ at a power plant making $US48/hr and $US200 a day per diem.  According to him one of the biggest gripes his fellow union workers have is that union officials are ignoring the sentiment of rank and file union members in not supporting Sanders or Trump.

    I know this is just one person's view but I am wondering how wide spread it is.


    Question - did these people that do not (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by ruffian on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:53:23 AM EST
    support Hillary support Obama over Hillary too?

    I've heard it before (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:40:59 AM EST
    I have no insight about the effect of a VP Sanders on these people.   You?

    Sounds like the rank and file (none / 0) (#68)
    by CoralGables on Tue May 31, 2016 at 11:01:30 AM EST
    are in total disagreement with each other. But they would need to support Trump or Clinton because in 2 weeks Sanders won't be on a ballot for 2 years.

    Third option (none / 0) (#72)
    by ragebot on Tue May 31, 2016 at 11:50:09 AM EST
    is for Bernie supporters to stay home, or same for establishment Republicans who cant support Trump.

    This is the big question I have not seen an answer for yet.  Lots of polls say many folks are voting against Trump or Hillary, not voting for them.  If that is the case not voting at all is also a real possibility.

    When Brady (hope I remembered that right) ran in CA polls were wrong about his support.  Many folks answered polls supporting him but either did not vote or voted against him.  The theory was peeps would not admit to pollsters they could not support a black man.  Does anyone really know how many folks on both sides will sit this one out.


    Tom Bradley. Defeated in 1982 and 1986 by (none / 0) (#76)
    by oculus on Tue May 31, 2016 at 12:06:18 PM EST

    This just shows the complete stupidity (none / 0) (#77)
    by Chuck0 on Tue May 31, 2016 at 12:06:46 PM EST
    of most Americans.

    If union members think Donald Trump is their best choice for President, they are complete morons. Donald Trump is anti-labor, anti-labor laws, anti-regulation and probably as anti-union as a billionaire could get.


    Trump's appeal to union members (none / 0) (#83)
    by ragebot on Tue May 31, 2016 at 12:59:09 PM EST
    stems from his opposition to globalization; something he and Sanders agree on.  Hillary seems to be fighting a rear guard action.  Of late she has proclaimed opposition to TPP and renounced her support of NAFTA.

    The problem for Hillary is she already is viewed by many as changing her position with which ever way the wind blows.  Given Bill Clinton's support of NAFTA, the Clinton Foundation's globalization aspects, and Hillary's past support of NAFTA and TPP it is a hard sell for her to say to union members against globalization she is now against it as well.


    I'm glad she is being seen as considering it (none / 0) (#61)
    by ruffian on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:44:20 AM EST
    I would bet with 99% certainty she is not seriously considering it. I hope not anyway.

    I can see him continuing his "movement" (none / 0) (#53)
    by Cashmere on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:14:48 AM EST
    post the general and be a big pain to Hillary's presidency.  I understand your reasoning Capt., but it would mostly be to ensure she is elected in the general.  Beyond this, I think Bernie would be a problem.  He would be a rogue VP IMHO.  And they are truly fighting for the same things, mostly, but the stubborn side of Bernie I have seen leads me to believe if Hillary does not do things exactly as Bernie wants, there would be issues vocalized by Bernie and the media will continue to cover him and hype any discord.  I would prefer Warren to Biden.  Just my take.

    I prefer Warren too (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:31:06 AM EST
    "Mostly to insure she is elected in the general"

    I would would say it's entirely to insure she is elected in the general.

    "A rogue VP"

    What can he do?  Refuse to attend funerals?  Sure the media will cover him.  You know what?  It might not be an entirely bad thing to have a big mouth with a media following pushing progressive ideas.  It might just make Hillary look more moderate.  The VP has no real power unless the senate is tied.  

    Let me be clear, afaiac Bernie can dissappear forever.  Not about him.  It's about winning.  We have all known for a long time we have demographics on our side.  All we need to win is a united enthusiastic party.  
    This is hardly a new idea.  Teams of rivals to unite the party is old school.


    Strongly agree. (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by KeysDan on Tue May 31, 2016 at 11:06:01 AM EST
    First things first. Insure the election of Mrs. Clinton to the presidency. Toward that end, my thinking for vice president, expressed previously, was (1) Senator Warren, and (2) Senator Sanders. While I still like that ordering, I believe it may be better in light of circumstances, to reverse that order. It is essential that Democrats be conciliatory for the sake of the national interest. Clinton and Sanders are the two contenders in the primary process, and Sanders, while not being able to gain the needed delegates, has proved he is an able politician with a strong and enthusiastic following.

    Mrs. Clinton, as president, will be able to optimize Sander's contributions; he was a team player while in the Democratic caucus and he is likely to be a good and influential vice president.  He is not a rogue senator, he will not be so as part of the executive branch.

    In his NYT column, Weimar Republic, Jochen Bittner of Die Zeit, brings some scary thoughts from the past to the present in the failure of the mainstream to respond to the serious challenges of the 1930s.

    A ticket of Clinton/Kaine, for example, would be helpful if the electorate was looking to contrast the Republican frolic with Democratic staidness. A non-starter.  Trump is likely to select Rubio, who has apologizes for saying Trump has little hands and things.  But, they would work well together: Rubio is physically smaller and mentally duller than Trump, but both have a penchant for making easy money, Rubio just handicapped by a poorer father. Trump likes all of these contrasts, and probably thinks, a Cuban American will solve his Hispanic problems.


    I disagree. The larger voting bloc, the (none / 0) (#78)
    by caseyOR on Tue May 31, 2016 at 12:31:48 PM EST
    IMO, more important voting bloc, for Clinton is latina/o voter, not Bernie Sanders diehards. Clinton will get the vast majority of Sanders supporters once the primaries are over. The most virulent Bernie or Busters will never vote for her regardless of her VP choice.

    Latina/o voters are a huge and growing group. They are the key to several states turning from red to at least purple, if not a pale blue. This is the future of the Party and the country, not a bunch a angry young white dudes.

    One of the biggest mistakes the Democratic Party and its liberal wing made over the last 30 years was to neglect the farm teams. We have had a ridiculously weak bench for decades. Our chronic neglect of state and local races, our carelessness with the House of Representatives, these were all self-inflicted wounds from which the Dems have yet to recover. Let's not compound that by putting yet another older white guy on the ticket.

    Let's think long-term. Let's think of the future, not just of the Party, but of the country. Winning the House means winning state legislatures in 2016, 2018, 2020 and beyond. Bernie Sanders as Veep contributes nothing to that.

    And neither does putting Elizabeth Warren on the ticket.


    You think Latinis (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 31, 2016 at 12:58:17 PM EST
    Will vote for Trump?

    Mr. Trump (none / 0) (#54)
    by Repack Rider on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:17:26 AM EST
    ...scores the coveted North Korea endorsement, to go along with the one from Vlad the Inhaler.

    He's becoming a real threat.

    Kim is lonely (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 31, 2016 at 10:45:40 AM EST
    He just wants someone with a hair cut as ridiculous as his to talk to.

    Donald has said he would.  They could be Twitter pals.


    Because gun control works so well (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue May 31, 2016 at 11:07:32 AM EST
    An incredible 66 people were shot, although just six were killed, over Chicago's Memorial Day weekend. The carnage pushed the number of gunshot victims well above 1,500 this year in this Democratic-run city.


    And yes we all know the guns are coming from someplace else...I mean it is always someone else's fault...

    But don't you think that it is time to admit that something is wrong? I mean, maybe if we spent as much time trying to reform our drug laws as we do controlling guns the market would go away?

    Of course that would be sooooooo against the meme of the mainstream Demos and Repubs....