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A major snow storm on May 20? We've got one here. From the National Weather Service:

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE National Weather Service Denver CO
650 PM MDT Fri May 20 2022

...LATE SPRING STORM TO BRING HEAVY SNOW TO THE MOUNTAINS, FOOTHILLS, AND FRONT RANGE URBAN CORRIDOR...

Heavy snow will continue to spread south across the mountains and foothills this afternoon and early evening. The heavy snow will accumulate on trees, causing some tree limbs to break and produce scattered power outages. Do not park under trees and avoid walking under snow laden trees.

....Consider altering your travel plans. Heavy snowfall is expected to make travel very difficult to impossible.

The snow has been coming down fast and furious since 1:00 p.m. At least it isn't sticking near Downtown yet. Although it will soon turn to sleet, and that's bad for driving.

I hope the weather is more cooperative in your neck of the woods.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    I'm starting to think (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 20, 2022 at 09:06:48 PM EST
    Roberts is going to kill the deal.  What an earthquake in wingnut world if he does.  All those state legislatures scratching and clawing to pass insane and punitive laws are going to be so  embarrassed.


    Clarence Thomas calls out John Roberts as Supreme Court edges closer to overturning Roe v. Wade

    Thomas' blunt remarks suggest new antagonism toward Roberts and added to the uncertainty regarding the ultimate ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, expected by the end of June.

    Roberts, with his institutionalist approach, is positioned as the one justice who might generate a compromise opinion that stops short of completely overturning Roe v. Wade, at least this year. That would thwart an outcome that Thomas has worked toward for decades.



    Yeah (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 21, 2022 at 07:39:52 AM EST
    they really have backed themselves into a corner on this. Now no matter what they do they have activated millions of women against conservatives because even if they don't overturn Roe now we know that they will do it at some point. And yeah, if I were a conservative I would just give up because if after 1/2 a century and a 6-3 court Roe is not overturned there's no guarantee that it will be overturned in their lifetime.

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    I was thinking (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 21, 2022 at 08:15:33 AM EST
    if the leak (the original WSJ one) really was from the anti choice people, with the plan of locking in votes of a draft opinion, killing the deal might seem like a very good way to say "don't ever F'ing do that again".

    Parent
    But (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 21, 2022 at 08:48:07 AM EST
    I guess by that logic assuming the second Politico leak was a response from the pro choice side the "don't ever..." thing might get us a decision no one is happy with without killing Roe entirely.

    Which always seemed kind of likely to me.

    Parent

    I hope he does. But I'm not going to get my hopes up. Instead, I'll just wait to be pleasantly surprised.

    Parent
    My guess (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 22, 2022 at 07:52:52 AM EST
    If he gets a flip it will be Kavanaugh

    Parent
    I think (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 22, 2022 at 10:08:55 AM EST
    it's more likely Gorsuch.

    Parent
    We are in uncharted territory (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 22, 2022 at 10:37:59 AM EST
    it's a disaster for the court.  If I was the Chief Justice (try hard to imagine that) I would desperately want come up with something that wouldn't even be a 5/4.  I would try to convince enough of the others the credibility of the court and every single one of them was on the line.

    And that they can cripple Roe without killing it and their reputation.

    Get a 6/3 for some kind of compromise.

    I personally believe there's more at stake here than Roe v Wade and I would guess Roberts thinks so too.

    Parent

    There is a lot at (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 22, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM EST
    stake. I mean crap we're talking basically slavery for women. And that kind of thing will have repercussions far past women.

    I went to the county D party meeting yesterday. The first time I have ever gone to something like that. They said they had record attendance. I had gone to an Indivisible meeting long ago maybe '17 or '18 but the group seemed too bro-ish for me and was more about complaints than actually doing something. So I found the party meeting a refreshing change. Sadly though all these groups have to hide their locations due to conservative terrorism.

    Parent

    But can you imagine (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 22, 2022 at 11:17:35 AM EST
    what would happen if it was 6-3 and did not overturn Roe? There would be a massive temper tantrum from these conservatives. Would they show up and vote after being strung along yet again?

    Parent
    In a sane world (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 22, 2022 at 01:42:11 PM EST
    you would think 6 justices might think that should not be their reason for anything.

    But yeah.  It would be Armageddon.

    Parent

    Alito v Women (none / 0) (#52)
    by KeysDan on Sun May 22, 2022 at 09:21:40 PM EST
    Yes, overturning a landmark decision that has been scrutinized  and affirmed for  almost 50 years,  defines rights that impact half the population,  is relied upon and popular among Americans is not a step to be powered through on the basis of embarrassingly weak legal reeds so as to yield political or religious outcomes.

    .  Moreover, jettisoning precedent based upon underpinnings also foundational to  interpretation of other constitutional rights is a concern for the Court as a reliable and responsible institution.

    Parent

    Reliable and responsible institution?? (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by MO Blue on Sun May 22, 2022 at 10:12:20 PM EST
    I have no faith in cases being judged fairly. With the current makeup of the court, I believe that the political and religious biases of the conservative members have become the cornerstone of their decisions overriding any other considerations.

    Parent
    Pro life Supreme Court (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 24, 2022 at 01:14:40 PM EST
    thinks executing people even if there is a strong possibility that they are innocent is just fine and dandy. Their political and religious biases have no problem justifying the death of real live people.

    Supreme Court ruling could send innocent Arizona convict to his death, critics contend

    Two lower courts agreed that lawyers bungled Barry Lee Jones' murder defense. But in 6-3 decision, high court rules Jones never should have gotten a hearing.

    Faith in this court? No way.

    Parent

    A cruel (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by KeysDan on Tue May 24, 2022 at 01:34:32 PM EST
    ruling authored  by Clarence Thomas and joined by the other terrible five. That includes the "moderate" John Roberts.

     Seems innocence is no longer a defense.  Now, I am waiting to see if the right wing Catholic Bishops will deny communion to the Catholic justices Thomas, Roberts, Alito, Coney Barrett, and Kavanaugh.  Not holding my breath, however.

    Parent

    Anyone expecting moral behavior (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 24, 2022 at 02:15:33 PM EST
    from the right wing Catholic Bishops, has not been paying attention. This crew is more interested controlling womens' sex life, than protecting their congregations from being sexually abused by their priests.

    St. Louis' own Cardinal Burke is well known not only for his elaborate costumes but for his protection of predator priests.

    Parent

    What if The Amazing RBG had not (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Mon May 23, 2022 at 09:05:34 AM EST
    criticized the Roe majority opinion basing it on the due process (as opposed to her stating later that equal protection would have been a better basis)?

    Parent
    Justice Ginsburg did not (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 23, 2022 at 01:14:28 PM EST
    assert that Roe was wrongly decided, but rather, that it was wrongly argued. She believed, it appeared, that restricting access to abortion on the basis of violation of privacy rights was not as effective as protecting the right to abortion on the basis that restricting abortion access impeded gender equality.  

    And, the better approach, therefore, would be  under the equal protection clause.  This, she believed, would make the ruling less vulnerable to attack---and, now, likely being overturned.

    It seems to me that Justice Ginsburg's skepticism of Roe was not grounded in disapproval of abortion rights, but by a commitment to its importance.  However, it is also my view, that Justice Ginsburg was naive to believe a different argument would would shield Roe from political and Christo-fascist determination to keep women "barefoot and pregnant".


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    So, in your opinion, Roe, at present, (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Mon May 23, 2022 at 02:46:39 PM EST
    Roe Is doomed, even if based on due process.  I agree.

    Parent
    Agreed. (none / 0) (#60)
    by KeysDan on Mon May 23, 2022 at 03:09:37 PM EST
    The best case scenario is a " Chief Justice Roberts Overturn"--the  structure still standing but the interior gutted (cf. the gutting of the Voting Rights Act, by Roberts, John et.al.).

    Parent
    You (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by FlJoe on Sat May 21, 2022 at 07:38:45 AM EST
    would think Hobby Lobby would know better than to locate a store in a town called Gaylord
    I would say it was on the ground for about two hours," said Gaylord Mayor Sharrad. "It did wipe out a Hobby Lobby..."
     obviously god was not happy.

    Correction to misinformation posted 5/19 (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by MO Blue on Sat May 21, 2022 at 09:24:58 AM EST
    Cook Political Report did not flip the OR-6 "from lean D to toss up" due to the candidate, Andrea Salinas, being too far left for the district.

    Cook Political Report has maintained OR-6 as "Likely Democratic."
    Cook Political Report

    Her Republican opponent, Mike Erickson, has campaigned on a "strict anti-abortion platform" and supports rolling back women's reproductive freedoms. Yet, in 2008, a woman came forward stating that Erickson gave her $300 and drove her to the abortion clinic for an abortion.
    Woman details abortion, relationship with "pro-life" congressional candidate

    Oregon GOP politico Erickson named in discrimination suit


    Sorry (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 21, 2022 at 03:07:59 PM EST
    I confused OR-5 with OR-6 with the loss of Schrader OR 5 has been moved from leaning D to toss up. However the 6th district is full of former Schrader voters. So it's not like it is a certain D.

    Parent
    This is pretty consistent with what I see - (none / 0) (#108)
    by Jack E Lope on Wed May 25, 2022 at 06:36:57 PM EST
    ...not that my anecdata is complete.  The new District-5 in Oregon did not keep much of the old D-5 territory, but District-6 contains the more-urban and -suburban parts of the old D-5.    

    However, D-5's rural territory shifted - so Schrader was a "new" candidate to a lot of voters. His ad campaign faced a dilemma - how does he tell Dems that he's one of them, while simultaneously letting people know how much he worked to water-down the effects of various Dem-supported bills?

    Yes, the new D-5 might elect a Republican. In that district, significantly more Republicans voted in the primary than did Democrats.

    Parent

    House Majority PAC (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 24, 2022 at 04:27:00 PM EST
    bought and paid for.

    The question of why the HMP would risk antagonizing women and Hispanic voters in Oregon by spending $1 million dollars on a previously unknown candidate for OR 6th district. The true reason behind this stupid action may have been discovered in HMP's financial report for the month of April.

    Late on Friday night, we learned that cryptocurrency billionaire Sam Bankman-Fried had donated $6 million to the House Majority PAC on April 4, just days before HMP began spending $1 million to boost first-time candidate Carrick Flynn in the Democratic primary for Oregon's brand-new 6th Congressional District.

    Might be time for some of the old guard Dem leadership to be replaced.

    Parent

    It's way past time (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by jmacWA on Wed May 25, 2022 at 04:38:22 AM EST
    At times it seems they are more in touch with the few "not-crazy" Republicans than they are with the bulk of the people who vote for them.

    Parent
    Rather than focusing on party infighting, (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by MO Blue on Sat May 21, 2022 at 10:23:41 AM EST
    the Dems need to make this and other like statements the face of the Republican Party in every race from now until November.

    MAGA candidate Jacky Eubanks:

    A Trump-endorsed Republican candidate for Michigan state representative said this week that she would vote in favor of legislation banning all contraception, which she said is against God's "moral order."

    A composite of every Republican politician that has made statements against any form birth control needs to be presented in an ad...The Republicans want to control every aspect of your life.

    Several Republicans in state houses have put forth bills to make it a criminal offense for a women to have an abortion. While these have not passed, they have been presented in several states. A list of all these bills along with the sponsors of the bill should be broadcasted throughout the states. Make these politicians and their statements the face of the Republican Party.

    Rick Scotts proposal to tax low and mid level workers and sunsetting SS and Medicare needs to be highlighted as the face of the Republican Party.

    They don't (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 21, 2022 at 03:16:21 PM EST
    acutally have to talk about what these candidates are proposing. They can focus on what states have actually enacted like Brian Kemp here in GA will have police chasing down miscarriages with women having to prove they didn't have an abortion or go to jail. The poor woman who falls down the stairs and miscarries but can't prove it was unintentional. And the law here would put doctors in jail for not reporting a miscarriage. There's the mother lode in the bill here. Women who are raped can get an abortion but only if they submit to humiliation by the police.

    Parent
    It was on this date in 1972 (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by fishcamp on Sat May 21, 2022 at 12:43:46 PM EST
    that Lazlo Toth damaged Michelangelo's Pieta at the Vatican.  He was not charged with a crime, but was hospitalized for two years due to injuries received at the time.  He is still living in a small Hungarian town.

    We recently spoke about Don Novello's very funny Lazlo Toth papers.  Novello also portrayed the comedian Father Guido Sarducci on SNL.

    More Ginni. (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by KeysDan on Sat May 21, 2022 at 12:56:35 PM EST
    After the 2000 election Ginni Thomas lobbied Arizona Speaker of the House, Russell Bowers, and State Rep. Shawna Bolick, to set aside Biden's popular victory and chose " a clean slate of electors", according to two rounds of emails.

     Ms. Bolick, who is now running for Arizona Sec. of State on a platform "to restore election integrity" thanked Ginni for reaching out, writing "hope you and Clarence are doing great." Shawna's husband, Clint, once worked with Clarence Thomas and now sits on the Arizona Supreme Court.

    Gini's efforts in Arizona were part of a broader and integral role played with top Trump officials, including Mark Meadows and Jared, so as to get state legislators to send bogus slates of electors in the scheme to overthrow the duly elected government.  

    In the Court case of the John Eastman (a former clerk of Clarence Thomas) subpoena of the "coup memo", federal judge Carter described this scheme as a criminal conspiracy to interfere with Congressional action and to defraud the American people.   Gini was involved in a parallel effort to get Arizona to improperly cast aside the vote results.

    The Supreme Court, comprised of just nine, un-elected members, has, essentially, veto power over the president of the United States and the rest of the executive branch as well as veto power over the Congress.  Article Three of the Constitution provides great authority and responsibility to the Supreme Court.

     While spouses of all elected officials need to be cognizant of not only conflicts of interest, it is imperative to the nature of the Supreme Court that spouses (as well as the justices themselves) avoid or have no conflicts.

     In my view, spouses of S.C. justices forfeit their own independent career pathways, and without question-- political activism that trades on the justice's position and influence.  If that is too much to ask, then both Justice and spouse need to find another line of work.

    In Clarence's case, Gini being part of a gang to overthrow the government, requires Clarence to  do more than have an ethical compass for conflicts, but to resign.

    Justice Thomas, as recently as last week, has remained defiant amid questions about his impartiality. And, he lambasted protests in front of SC justice's homes, although he appears at political events hosted by advocates hoping to sway the Court.  

    Dark MAGA (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 21, 2022 at 05:14:51 PM EST
    What a little drama queen.


    With Cawthorn headed for the exit after the November midterm election where he will not be on the ballot, he posted on Instagram that he doesn't plan to go quietly, writing, "I am on a mission now to expose those who say and promise one thing yet legislate and work towards another, self-profiteering, globalist goal. The time for genteel politics as usual has come to an end. It's time for the rise of the new right, it's time for Dark MAGA to truly take command. We have an enemy to defeat, but we will never be able to defeat them until we defeat the cowardly and weak members of our own party. Their days are numbered. We are coming."

    Maddy must have a new job in the Department of Redundancy Department

    Revenge (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by KeysDan on Sat May 21, 2022 at 06:48:05 PM EST
    is a dish best served cold at the next Republican coke party.  Maddy and his cousin should start with names.

    Parent
    incredible transition (1.00 / 3) (#74)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue May 24, 2022 at 12:12:04 PM EST
    The high gas prices are in Biden's words part of his " incredible transition."  

    For the rest of us mere mortals a transition involves having the transition end state ready and waiting.  Biden's transition is like jumping out of an airplane at 30,000 feet with a plan to invent, fabricate and deploy a parachute before hitting the ground.

    Transitions take time. Biden's energy policy, the "incredible transition" has resulted in Diesel fuel up 75% in the last two years.

    Right now virtually every farm tractor and harvester, truck tractor, and rail locomotive run on Diesel. What's the plan to transition these vital components to another fuel?  Nothing, nada, zip.

    Nearly the same with aircraft. No plan to wean them from fossil fuel.

    Biden talked about making military vehicles electric.  Since Diesel has better that 20X the energy density of lithium batteries, what was a unit of battle tanks with a fuel truck will have the fuel truck replaced with twenty or so flat bed trucks hauling huge batteries. Or maybe the plan is to have the fuel truck tow a generator and burn Diesel to take a few hours to recharge the tanks.

    Further this incompetence fuels inflation. Inflation is always and everywhere too much money chasing too few goods.  The M2 money supply is up over 40% in the last two years!!! That is a lot of money.  Reducing US energy production from independence and a net exporter to a net importer is definitely fewer goods.

    What's the lie limit (5.00 / 5) (#76)
    by Yman on Tue May 24, 2022 at 12:26:44 PM EST
    ... on a single post?

    1.  Biden didn't reduce US energy production.
    2.  M2 money supply.  The sharp increase in money supply actually goes back a little more than 2 years ago to Feb./Mar. 2020 and has decreased since then.  Can you guess who was POTUS back then?
    3.  Stop getting your fake news from Faux News and Facebook memes.


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    oh, man (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 20, 2022 at 09:04:03 PM EST
    I am sorry about the snow. But thanks for the open thread!!

    Snow in the end of May (1.25 / 4) (#4)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri May 20, 2022 at 10:03:44 PM EST
    More proof of global warming.

    Parent
    Was that intended to be snark? (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by Peter G on Fri May 20, 2022 at 10:55:21 PM EST
    Because in fact extreme and unseasonable weather events of all sorts are consistent with the alarming slide toward global warming.

    Parent
    He probably (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 21, 2022 at 07:36:48 AM EST
    thinks it. Conservatives tell him there's no global warming so he thinks there's no global warming. Conservatism appears to be very good at creating an army of useful idiots.

    Parent
    More proof of global warming (1.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue May 24, 2022 at 11:33:39 AM EST

    That includes the slight global cooling trend since 2015.  No matter the observation the warmists consider it part and parcel of global warming..

    Parent
    When wingers try to lie (5.00 / 3) (#75)
    by Yman on Tue May 24, 2022 at 12:17:02 PM EST
    You really think trying to cherry-pick a very short/specific time window and lying about what it means helps your claims?  I mean, ... it works for Trump, but his case isn't as bright as your average nightlight.

    Parent
    Bushwa (none / 0) (#84)
    by desertswine on Tue May 24, 2022 at 02:43:21 PM EST
    Remember Inhofe and his snowball? (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 21, 2022 at 07:47:43 AM EST
    2014

    You would think they would give the useful idiots some new material after the regular stuff becomes the stuff of memes and punchlines.

    But it's a sign of the times.  The silliness of the BS doesn't even matter any more.

    Parent

    Forget it, Peter. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 22, 2022 at 01:22:49 AM EST
    It was intended to be bait, and you bit.

    Parent
    Another (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 21, 2022 at 07:36:01 AM EST
    conservative fairy tale. We should start cataloging your lies around here. I think every post is a lie.

    Parent
    Allow me to offer you some better material (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 21, 2022 at 07:59:39 AM EST
    it may also get laughed at but it at least has the advantage of being the truth.

    You see, the Atlantic current is slowing.  Just like that crappy movie warned us.  "Global Warming" may indeed save us from another Ice Age.

    You don't even have to mention the part about how Climate Change, melting polar ice, is the reason the current is dying.  If you are a slow reader watch The Day After Tomorrow.  

    The world being saved by Roland Emerich is no more weird that the world being saved from an ice age by global warming.

    Insider

    'The Day After Tomorrow' film foretold a real and troubling trend: The Atlantic ocean's circulation system is weakening


    Parent

    Speaking of the Atlantic, (none / 0) (#18)
    by fishcamp on Sat May 21, 2022 at 12:32:03 PM EST
    we are just beginning to receive the first of the Saharan sand.  This year it is hitting the Caribbean islands first and sweeping up between Cuba and Mexico into the Gulf on its way to those states, and as far as Kansas.  Both the storms and the dust are blowing off Africa close to the equator, but when they move a few degrees north we start getting the dust and then the hurricanes.  The high winds aloft cause wind shear that destroys the early hurricanes, but the heavier dust comes rolling across the Atlantic to us.  It's not uncommon for some of the Caribbean islands to get over a half inch of dust every day.  Even with new weather stripping my house gets dusty.  It's also bad for people with asthma and COPD.

    Parent
    Also this (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 21, 2022 at 02:05:38 PM EST
    Just returned (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by KeysDan on Sat May 21, 2022 at 05:05:08 PM EST
    from Key West.  Had an inch of rain---a good drenching, but  not unusual .   But, the island was flooded to the extent that some shopping centers and streets were not easily accessible. . High tide and full moon did not help.  

    Parent
    If only if could be redirected (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 22, 2022 at 08:12:22 AM EST

    'Megadrought' Threatens Millions in U.S.
    May 22, 2022 at 8:03 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 72 Comments

    Financial Times: "The `megadrought' gripping the southwestern US has driven water levels at the two largest reservoirs to record lows, forcing unprecedented government intervention to protect water and power supplies across seven states"

    "Millions of Americans already contending with critical water shortages now face the prospect of black outs as energy demand grows during heatwaves just as hydroelectric power supply is strained. A US power regulator this week warned that a big swath of the US was at risk of blackouts, partly as a result of drought conditions curtailing hydroelectric supplies."

    "US government climate scientists have said more than half the country is enduring drought conditions, while a separate study estimated that the drought affecting southwestern states was the worst to hit the region for 1,200 years after being exacerbated by human activity."



    Parent
    Not true at all Abdul. (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by fishcamp on Sat May 21, 2022 at 12:11:39 PM EST
    During the many years I lived in Colorado we often received snow during any month.  It was quite strange to see it snowing in July or August, but it did happen.  Often we received inches of snow during the summer, not just flurries.

    Parent
    It snows occasionally out here in May ... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 22, 2022 at 01:34:46 AM EST
    ... on Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa. And in both 2017 and 2019, California's Sierra Nevada Mountains received up to 18 inches of snow during the first week of June. And in July 1984, we got caught in a snowstorm in Mt. Rainier Nat'l Park that made for some pretty treacherous driving.

    All three places have one thing in common: High altitude.

    Parent

    He talked like that all the time in public. And today, Australian voters decided that they've heard and seen enough. They transformed their country's political landscape by ousting Scott Morrison's Liberal-Nationalist coalition government in favor of one led by Labor Leader Anthony Albanese, who will be sworn in as prime minister on Monday. (In Australia, the Liberal Party is a conservative party and aligns politically with the Nationalists.)

    Tonight's Labor victory in Australia represents the most profound political realignment in that country since the 1970s and ended a decade of conservative rule. Current projections give Labor about 83 or 84 seats in the 151-seat House of Representatives. But the big winner appears to be the environmental movement as voters roundly rejected Scott Morrison's anti-climate policies. The Labor-allied Australian Greens party made impressive gains, particularly in Queensland (Brisbane) and South Australia (Adelaide).

    Australia has endured significant climate-related problems caused by global warming. Voters, particularly in the cities and suburban communities, got tired of hearing Morrison telling them otherwise. His party was routed tonight, and he announced afterward that he's stepping down as Liberal Party Leader although it's unclear at present who will take his place because his No. 2 guy in the House, Deputy Leader Josh Frydenberg, lost his own re-election bid and will not be in Parliament.

    So, it's welcome political news for progressives tonight.

    Parent

    96 degrees in south central PA in May. (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by Chuck0 on Mon May 23, 2022 at 02:06:55 PM EST
    More proof of global warming. (oops, oh yeah, you said that.)

    Parent
    Tell us ... (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by Yman on Tue May 24, 2022 at 05:34:17 AM EST
    ... you don't know the difference between climate and weather, without telling us you don't know the difference between climate and weather.

    Wingnutland really need a better educational system beyond Faux News and Facebook memes.

    Parent

    That's it? (none / 0) (#16)
    by desertswine on Sat May 21, 2022 at 12:02:31 PM EST
    That's what you got?

    Parent
    Night Sky (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 20, 2022 at 09:09:06 PM EST
    On Prime.

    Two of my favorite old timers, Sissy Spacek and J.K. Simmons in a story about aging and loss with a backdrop of a SciFi thriller.

    Good stuff.

    More kinks in PA (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 21, 2022 at 01:58:48 PM EST

    It was not immediately clear how sweeping the reach of the circuit court's ruling will be because a formal opinion from the panel is still forthcoming. But it could have a serious impact on the Senate race. Oz and McCormick were separated by about 1,100 votes as of Friday afternoon, and the ruling could introduce into the pool an as-yet-unknown number of similarly-situated ballots that would not have initially been counted.

    If this means Oz loses Trump will freak.  He will singlehandedly destroy any chance of republicans wining that race.


    Court ruling could upend Pa. Senate race


    So proud of my ACLU-PA affiliate staff (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by Peter G on Sat May 21, 2022 at 08:48:48 PM EST
    for pursuing this. We have a crackerjack voting rights team. As many of you know, I am an officer of the Board of Directors of the affiliate. The ACLU is non-partisan. We believe it should be as easy as possible for everyone who is qualified to cast a ballot for whomever they support, and to have that vote counted. What could be more fundamental in a democracy?

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    I think I remember predicting (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 21, 2022 at 02:01:22 PM EST
    he would do this.  The guy oozes ambition.


    Adams Eyeing White House Bid
    May 21, 2022 at 11:32 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 180 Comments

    New York City Mayor Eric Adams (D) may be eyeing a White House run if President Biden doesn't seek a second term, confidantes and City Hall insiders told the New York Post.



    He really (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat May 21, 2022 at 03:20:24 PM EST
    should make it to governor or senator before running for president. Mayors just don't have much of a history of winning primaries.

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    WTactualF (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 21, 2022 at 04:39:46 PM EST

    Utah hunting guide Wade Lemon faces five years in state prison for the death of a Carbon County bear killed during a guided hunt on May 18, 2018.

    But Lemon, a well-known guide didn't pull the trigger -- Donald Trump Jr. did, according to the Utah Department of Natural Resources (DNR).

    link


    If I lived (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 22, 2022 at 05:08:05 AM EST
    In Utah I would be livid. But then it's Utah and I guess they think that it's okay for Don Jr. to break the law.

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    Well (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 22, 2022 at 05:23:44 AM EST
    after reading the article the problem was bear bating not killing the bear.

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    This week's episode of Gaslit (5) (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 22, 2022 at 08:46:55 AM EST
    is the best yet.  It gets better and better.  And it's getting to the stuff I actually remember.

    Curious? How many streaming services (none / 0) (#41)
    by MO Blue on Sun May 22, 2022 at 08:56:38 AM EST
    do you subscribe to and which is your favorite?

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    I have Sling (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 22, 2022 at 09:15:22 AM EST
    on sling I can get STARZ SHOWTIME and EPIX.  I usually have one or two of those.  Right now it's Starz.  Mostly because if Gaslit.

    My current streamers are Prime and Paramount.  
    I also rotate streamers month to month usually based on what's on that I want to see.  

    All this is all a mouse click.  Or two.

    I don't really have a favorite.  I think if I could only have one it might be HBOMAX.  Just because of the library of stuff you get.  HBO is not available on Sling.  So I have to get it as a streaming service.

    Definitely getting Netflix next month because of new seasons of Ozark and Love Death and Robots.

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    I should clarify I guess (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 22, 2022 at 10:03:58 AM EST
    I said month to month but that's just the way I do it. Usually when I pay the monthly bills.  I can change my Sling subscription anytime.  They prorate stuff.

    And course you can't start or stop the streamers anytime but you pay for a month at a time.

    Sometimes I start one and stop it the next day so I don't forget and allow it to autorenew.  

    Easy enough to renew.  Too easy.

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    Grrr (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 22, 2022 at 10:05:50 AM EST
    of course you CAN start or stop...

    amazing how that spell correct thing always manages to pick the one word that changes the meaning entirely

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    Have you watched (none / 0) (#50)
    by MO Blue on Sun May 22, 2022 at 01:58:39 PM EST
    the Lincoln Lawyer series on Netflix. I binge watched it recently and liked it a lot. One positive for me is that at the end of the season, there was a conclusion to the current story line. There was a hook in the end of the last episode that leads into Season 2 but most Season 1 questions were resolved.

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    I didn't understand the ending (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Jeralyn on Mon May 23, 2022 at 03:04:19 PM EST
    the very very last scene of the final episode --it sounds like you got it and think it will be renewed? (Don't put the ending here so we don't spoil it, but if you could email me at talkleft at either aol or gmail, that would be great. )

    I liked it until the trial was over, and then I thought it went a little haywire. I didn't like the casting of the ex-wives or daughter. They were all boring. Actually, the only actors I liked were the lawyer and his driver.

    I do think they had good legal advisors in terms of accuracy as to evidence rules and jury trials. Even the objections and court rulings on them were pretty spot on, as was the star's continual observations to his driver about how the legal system works and his instructions to his client.

    It is worth watching.

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    Sent you an email to Talk Left (none / 0) (#64)
    by MO Blue on Mon May 23, 2022 at 06:10:14 PM EST
    address listed on site. IMO, that was the last puzzle piece left unresolved after the final episode. Let me know what you think.

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    David Kelley (none / 0) (#66)
    by MKS on Mon May 23, 2022 at 09:25:19 PM EST
    does add good detail regarding trials, jury selection, etc.

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    The lead actor (none / 0) (#90)
    by MKS on Tue May 24, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EST
    is interesting.  

    Manuel Garcia-Rulfo.  From Mexico but has hit it big here....

    The blonde ex-wife/paralegal does wear short skirts....And I have been told Neve Campbell, the other ex, has had great plastic surgery.

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    Ending was good (none / 0) (#91)
    by MKS on Tue May 24, 2022 at 05:16:36 PM EST
    The show did wander after the big murder trial....

    More seasons to come, one can assume.

    Good to see a show set in LA again.....

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    It's (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 22, 2022 at 02:03:56 PM EST
    on the list.

    It's getting hard to keep up.

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    Once you get Netflix again, (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 24, 2022 at 04:12:33 PM EST
    you might want to consider watching Bodyguard series. It is a 6 episode series that is fast moving and has received good reviews.

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    'Ozark' is good, but it's incredibly dark. (none / 0) (#61)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 23, 2022 at 03:55:01 PM EST
    I stopped watching it after the character Darlene was killed. I couldn't take it anymore.

    In many respects, the series reminds me of "Winter's Bone", also set in the Ozarks - a wonderfully crafted thriller with a very disturbing storyline about matters people didn't talk about for a reason because as Dale Dickey (who played Bump's protective wife Merab in the film) says matter-of-factly: "Nope - talkin' causes witnesses."

    Aloha.

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    Oops. my bad. (none / 0) (#62)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 23, 2022 at 04:07:56 PM EST
    Marab's husband in "Winter's Bone" was named Thump, not Bump.

    anyway, that was a really good movie and I urge anyone who hasn't seen it to please do so. Very few films have ever totally creeped me out like that while still keeping me riveted on the edge of my seat. I think Jennifer Lawrence's performance as Ree Dolly is probably her best, and John Hawkes as her Uncle Teardrop gave a master class in understated menace: "Is this going to be our time?"

    Aloha.

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    Winters Bone (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 23, 2022 at 04:48:50 PM EST
    takes place about 100 miles from here.  It's really s excellent.  It was the most realistic tale set in my area ever.

    I felt like I knew a lot of those people.

    I was reading about how that was done...


    Because the movie is set among the mountain people of the Ozarks, a culture that is mostly unknown to many of us, Granik and her crew spent two years in the region to learn and absorb the local history and way of life.

    Granik said her Ozarks lesson began with a guided tour by the author Daniel Woodrell of the local creeks, quarries and caves that inspired his novel. Being a native of the area, he also recommended a few books and historians to help Granik with her project.

    Link

    Something else I'm really enjoying is the Showtime series The Man Who Fell to Earth.

    Not much like the old Bowie movie.  Much better

    trailer


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    Winter's Bone was a (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Jeralyn on Mon May 23, 2022 at 08:17:20 PM EST
    terrific movie -- Jennifer Lawrence was so good.  And Captain Howdy, we finally found something we both like!

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    Did you see 'Better Call Saul' tonight? (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 24, 2022 at 02:59:51 AM EST
    I really and truly did not see that coming. No spoilers here, but those of you who watched tonight's episode know exactly what scene I'm talking about. Like, wow.

    Now we have to wait six weeks to see how it all wraps up.

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    Worried about Kim. (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 24, 2022 at 08:57:07 AM EST
    Her arc seems to be she has become a bad girl and a risk taker.  We know what happens to them.

    And she was never mentioned in Breaking Bad.

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    Here's an alternative: (none / 0) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 24, 2022 at 01:34:33 PM EST
    Last season, one of the episodes had a cold open that fast forwarded to post-"Breaking Bad" time in Nebraska in which Jimmy McGill is now a Cinnabons manager named Gene, the faux identity Saul Goodman assumed after having fled Albuquerque in the wake of the Walter White fiasco.

    Then, the prior episode before last night had Kim Wexler as a child of an alcoholic mother in Nebraska. In my scenario, the now-adult Kim flees Albuquerque after being falsely fingered for the murder of Howard and returns to familiar ground in her home state, where she and Jimmy / Saul / Gene are eventually reunited post-"Breaking Bad" and live happily ever after - under assumed names, of course.

    Honestly, I don't know what will happen to Kim. Lalo could very well kill her next episode. But if she does live through this, I think her headlong flight from New Mexico back to Nebraska is the most plausible scenario.

    Aloha.

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    No one knows (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 24, 2022 at 04:01:49 PM EST
    but if the show runners find a way to let her live it will be such a gift.   So much I kind of expect it.

    One of the things that make this series so intense and moving is that we know what happens to almost all of them.  And there are very few happy endings.

    So far in this one, from brother Chuck to Natcho and now Howard, not many here either.


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    Lalo (none / 0) (#70)
    by Yman on Tue May 24, 2022 at 09:02:27 AM EST
    He really is such an awesome villain.  Fantastic show.  It's going to be hard to wait for the final episodes.

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    I was thinking (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 24, 2022 at 09:11:23 AM EST
    the same thing last night.  About Lalo.

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    We need the precipitation (none / 0) (#55)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon May 23, 2022 at 12:30:39 PM EST


    That's it? That's the comment? (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Tue May 24, 2022 at 12:05:16 PM EST
    but we do.

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    So true. (none / 0) (#82)
    by oculus on Tue May 24, 2022 at 02:24:34 PM EST
    Are you under the current water restrictions? (none / 0) (#87)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 24, 2022 at 04:03:10 PM EST
    much of the L.A. area is, but for some unfathomable reason select cities in the region are exempt, such as Pasadena. That makes absolutely no sense.

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    Yes, we are. (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue May 24, 2022 at 06:44:43 PM EST
    Allow me to explain.

    In broad strokes, there are three main sources of water for SoCal, which is essentially the width of CA from the LA area to the north down to the Mexican border.

    As depicted in Chinatown, the LADWP gets Owens River water from the east side of the northern Sierra.

    LADWP mainly supplies water only for the City of LA and the eastern side of the San Fernando Valley, and sells it directly to the consumer.

    Metropolitan MWD basically supplies everyone else in SoCal.

    Met gets its water from CO to the east via their Colorado River Aqueduct, and also from the west side of the northern Sierra via the State Water Project, and they sell it to retail water agencies who then sell it to the consumer.

    Met's CO River water pipes do not connect with its SWP water pipes. It, essentially, now, has two independent water systems.

    Colorado, the eastern Sierra, and the western Sierra, all had significantly different snow packs, thus the consumers have different water restrictions based on where their water originates.

    Additionally, most, but not all, retail water agencies have supplemental local water sources like surface water, ground water, desalination, etc., which enables them to enact water restrictions specific to their customers.

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    Interesting Court of Appeals ruling (none / 0) (#83)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 24, 2022 at 02:25:34 PM EST
    Appeals court rules insurrectionists can be barred from political office


    A federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that those who engaged in an insurrection could be barred from running for office in the future. The decision comes from a challenge to Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-NC), who lost his election just a week ago.
    ...
    "To ask such a question is nearly to answer it," the court filing said. "Consistent with the statutory text and context, we hold that the 1872 Amnesty Act removed the Fourteenth Amendment's eligibility bar only for those whose constitutionally wrongful acts occurred before its enactment. Accordingly, we reverse the district court's grant of injunctive relief and remand for further proceedings."


    That article represents a gross over-reading (none / 0) (#100)
    by Peter G on Wed May 25, 2022 at 09:44:58 AM EST
    of the decision. The court of appeals ruled only that a statutory amnesty passed for the benefit of Confederate soldiers after the Civil War did not prospectively excuse any and all future insurrectionists from the impact of section 3 of the 14th Amendment. It did not decide any other questions.

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    Take me out to the ball game. (none / 0) (#85)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 24, 2022 at 03:54:36 PM EST
    And pay no attention to the suspicious plain brown manila envelope that's been left on my box seat and looks like it's been stuffed with cash:

    Los Angeles Times | May 24, 2022
    Anaheim mayor resigns amid corruption probe into his role in Angel Stadium land sale - "Two prominent Orange County political leaders resigned within 24 hours of each other amid fallout from a sprawling federal public corruption investigation linked to the proposed sale of Angel Stadium and allegations that a secretive 'cabal' controlled Anaheim's politics."

    It should really come as no surprise to longtime observers of Orange County, CA politics that the shady-looking deal that Anaheim city officials and select businessmen brokered with Los Angeles Angels owner Art Moreno for the sale of the valuable city-owned Angel Stadium property to the Major League Baseball franchise turned out to be exactly that -- shady.

    Anaheim Mayor Harry Sidhu, who's a Republican, has resigned his office after he was accused of bribery, fraud, obstruction of justice and witness tampering in a sprawling federal public corruption investigation linked to the city's proposed sale of Angel Stadium.

    And lest Democrats chortle too loudly, it should be noted that his resignation comes 24 hours after Melahat Rafiei, who was likewise swept up in the burgeoning scandal, announced she was stepping down as a member of the Democratic National Committee and secretary of the California Democratic Party.

    It's lookin' pretty ugly at the Big A when the team's otherwise stellar play on the field this season is being overshadowed by the corrupt shenanigans of their owner and various public officials.

    Stay tuned.

    Pots and thrayers. (none / 0) (#92)
    by Chuck0 on Tue May 24, 2022 at 05:18:17 PM EST
    14 children, one teacher, one grandmother, killed in Uvalde, Texas. How soon before Abbott declares Texas needs MORE GUNS in school. To protect the children.


    Now 18 (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 24, 2022 at 07:30:37 PM EST
    and three adults

    I guess we wait till tomorrow or comb the inter tubes to find out any election results.  

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    Looks like (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 24, 2022 at 08:03:46 PM EST
    Cisneros is giving Cuellar a run for his money in TX 28. She is only 402 votes behind with 63% in.

    DKos has links to CNN's results for all of today's primaries if you are interested.

    DKos

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    Not to sound unsympathetic (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 24, 2022 at 07:31:50 PM EST
    But after the first few hours it's not really news any more

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    Horrific (none / 0) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 24, 2022 at 08:12:41 PM EST
    When is it going to be enough to do something?

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    Never.... If they didn't do anything after (none / 0) (#101)
    by desertswine on Wed May 25, 2022 at 10:29:37 AM EST
    Sandy Hook, they are never going to do anything.

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    Unfortunately, you are correct. (none / 0) (#102)
    by Chuck0 on Wed May 25, 2022 at 10:39:22 AM EST
    I said the exact thing to my wife last night.

    And the Texas GQP is responding exactly as I predicted. "Let's git us some more guns in them thar schools. We'll just have us a good ol shootout every time."


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    There is a wee bit of a problem (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 25, 2022 at 01:37:18 PM EST
    with that scenario. The shooter had body armor and the teachers, even if armed, would have been mowed down. Officers arriving at the scene were met with a barrage of gunfire and some were wounded.

    The stupidity of this so called solution burns. All this to protect campaign contributors of politicians and the profits of gun manufacturers and sellers.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 25, 2022 at 01:35:43 PM EST
    the GOP is so full of NRA whores people could literally have shootings like this every day of the week and they would be like it's all fine we need more guns.

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    We have done worse than do nothing (none / 0) (#105)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed May 25, 2022 at 03:37:33 PM EST

    Under pressure from the Defund the Police movement many schools have dispensed with armed school resource officers.

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    Armed School Resource Officer Was At School (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 25, 2022 at 05:20:24 PM EST
    How did that work out? 19 children and two teachers are dead.

    Armed School Resource Office at School Where 21 People Were Killed

    Texas Department of Public Safety Sgt. Erick Estrada said. Investigators have not revealed how the suspect entered the school, but Estrada did say two Uvalde police officers and a school resource officer fired at him, but the suspect "had a rifle and body armor on," and was able to keep going.

    Can armed officers reduce injury and death

    The researchers looked at every identified case of either at least 1 person being intentionally shot in a school building during a school day or a person who went to a school with the intent of indiscriminately firing a gun from 1980 to 2019, using the public K-12 School Shooting Database.
    ...
    When controlling for factors of location and school characteristics, the rate of death was 2.83 times more in schools that had the presence of an armed guard (incidence rate ratio, 2.96; 95% CI  1.43-6.13; P  .003).

    The investigators concluded that there was no link between violence deterrence and the presence of an armed officer. In fact, an armed officer was the number one factor linked to increased casualties following the perpetrators' use of assault rifles of submachine guns. The fact that research indicates that a number of school shooters are actively suicidal and intend to die during the shooting, could mean that armed officers could be seen as an incentive for a shooter, rather than the deterrent.

    New research finds armed officers increases likelihood of mortality at school shootings

    Documented facts, including links, and not right wing BS.

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    I tend to agree with the theory (none / 0) (#109)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed May 25, 2022 at 07:06:30 PM EST
    I tend to agree with the theory that a shooter who is actively suicidal could preferentially choose a school target that has armed officers such that one of the likely results of the perpetrator's actions would be his own death.

    I am scratching my head though at the claim that school shooters are using submachine guns...

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    Have to agree with you (none / 0) (#110)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 25, 2022 at 07:32:37 PM EST
    On the sub machine gun part. Sounds like it might not be verbiage from actual study. A little sloppy on my part since it is a reputable study.  My second link quotes Professor Peterson and would have been a better source. From second link:

    The research looked at 133 shootings where one or more people were intentionally shot in a school building or where someone came to school armed with the intent of firing indiscriminately. The study found that there were three times as many people killed when there was an officer on the scene who was armed.
    ...
    But Peterson said she has a few theories.

    "If you're actively suicidal that could actually not be a deterrent to you it might even be an incentive," she said. "We also know if perpetrators are going into a school where they know there is an armed officer they might do things like bring more weapons or have more of a plan. "



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    Ya, I just went to the source study. (none / 0) (#111)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed May 25, 2022 at 07:44:20 PM EST
    "Any AR or SMG" (SMG being submachine gun) was simply a category of the data, despite there being (as far as I can find) no submachine guns actually used.

    Odd to define the category that way. They could have used "Any AR or ICBM" and it would have resulted in identical data.

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    "Any AR or Wet Noodles" (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed May 25, 2022 at 07:46:05 PM EST
    Maybe (none / 0) (#117)
    by FlJoe on Thu May 26, 2022 at 04:26:56 AM EST
    they should call them rods of iron
    Hundreds of faithful at a Pennsylvania church on Wednesday carried AR-15-style rifles in adherence to their belief that a "rod of iron" mentioned in the Bible refers to the type of weapon that was used in last month's mass shooting in Parkland, Fla.

    The armed ceremony at World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland, about 20 miles southeast of Scranton, featured gun-toting worshippers, some wearing crowns of bullets as they participated in communion and wedding ceremonies.



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    No evidence for that conclusion. (none / 0) (#123)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu May 26, 2022 at 11:32:39 AM EST

    According to the write up the selection seems to be the school the shooter attends or attended.

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    So schools that don't have armed officers (none / 0) (#126)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu May 26, 2022 at 12:19:25 PM EST
    don't have students who attend or attended that school go to that school to commit suicide by armed officer?

    Seems logical.

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    More on the armed school police officer (none / 0) (#113)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 25, 2022 at 08:54:18 PM EST
    at Robb Elementary.  Source

    NEW: Texas DPS tells me there was in fact a school police officer on campus at Robb Elementary who exchanged gunfire with the shooter and the officer was shot & injured. That is when the shooter ran inside the school, barricaded himself in a class, & began killing.

    In addition, three local officers were injured in the shooting and a Zavala County deputy had his weapon malfunction.

    Not only did the armed school officer not prevent the killings, please think about what could have happened to an armed teacher. The shooter was protected by armor and the teacher would not have the same protection. Also, the children would be without any assistance in trying to get away once the teacher was shot.

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    The Uvalde, Texas (none / 0) (#114)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 25, 2022 at 10:00:47 PM EST
    School District has its own police department --a Chief, three officers and a security guard.  The Uvalde Police Department is allocated about 40 percent of the city budget and received a $500,000 State of Texas grant.  

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    Police are funded at schools (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 26, 2022 at 11:49:48 AM EST
    at the expense of funding teachers, psychologists, councilors, social workers or nurses.

    There are trained professionals and organizations that can provide the right kind of support for individual students. However, there is not nearly enough of this support to meet the need in schools. While the number of on-campus officers has grown exponentially, 90 percent of students attend schools where the number of counselors, social workers, nurses, and psychologists do not meet the recommended professional standards.[12] The American School Counselor Association (ASCA) recommends a student to counselor ratio of 250:1. However, most states fall woefully short of meeting this need -- including Washington, where  public schools have a 482:1 ratio of students to counselors, according to the ASCA. Equally concerning is the fact that schools across the country lack these resources while maintaining a police presence in their halls.

    1.7 million students attend schools with police but no counselors
    3 million students attend schools with police but no school nurse
    6 million students attend schools with police but no psychologist
    10 million students attend schools with police but no social workers

    ACLU

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    Doesn't sound like they have defunded the police (none / 0) (#115)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 25, 2022 at 10:50:02 PM EST
    I wonder how many mental health and guidance councilors the school district employs and the budget allocated to mental health.

    Evidently having armed officers at the school didn't work and we repeatedly are told it is a mental health problem yet I don't see states adequately funding increased mental health. I don't know about Uvalde but in our area they continue to cut guidance councilors in the schools that need them the most.

    Texas specific data:

    Mental Health America, a nonprofit that advocates for people with mental illness, ranked Texas 51st for mental health care access, behind every other state and Washington, D.C. There are some limitations in the data, which Mental Health America acknowledges.

    Politifact

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    And, (none / 0) (#119)
    by KeysDan on Thu May 26, 2022 at 09:56:01 AM EST
    in April 2022, TX Gov. Abbott slashed $211,000 from the budget of the agency that oversees mental heath programs.

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    Well of course he did (none / 0) (#121)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 26, 2022 at 11:27:44 AM EST
    he isn't going to fund anything that actually helps average citizens. Gotta cut social programs and cut taxes for the rich corporations and ultra rich.

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    A shooting (none / 0) (#130)
    by KeysDan on Thu May 26, 2022 at 02:58:46 PM EST
    like this is the only feasible justification for such expenditure of city resources and the militarization of local police, including a standing SWAT team, in a city of 16,000 and it still turned out to be useless when needed.

    It, apparently--- because of conflicting stories--- relied upon a Boarder Patrol officer showing up.  And, then it took a school official to unlock the classroom door. Guess, the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a staff member with a door key.

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    That study. (none / 0) (#120)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu May 26, 2022 at 10:14:41 AM EST
    Some interesting facts about that study.

    1 . No accounting for student body size. The greater that number, the longer the response time.

    1. No accounting for in the building or in the school yard.  The ability of a resource officer to intervene will be different.

    2. "Data were merged and differences were resolved via consensus."  Make of that what you will.  The data were contradictory requiring a merge. The biases of the consensus makers are undisclosed.

    3. Most amazingly there is no indication if the resource officer stopped the shooter!!

    4. "An armed guard was on scene in 23.58% of shootings (29 of 123)."  "On the scene" appears to be undefined.

    One thing is apparent in the recent Texas shooting, it took someone with a gun to stop the shooter.

    We know from Israeli experience that armed school staff effectively put an end to armed school intruders.


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    You are perfectly free to provide us (none / 0) (#127)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 26, 2022 at 01:32:09 PM EST
    with links to reliable sources to inform us of the number and percentage of how many shooters were stopped by an armed school resource officer if you want to support your premise.

    If you could provide how many resource officers stopped a school shooter vs the number of incidents say for the last five years, it might or might not strengthen your argument.

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    Zero fatalities ignored (none / 0) (#128)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu May 26, 2022 at 01:58:02 PM EST
    If you read the study criteria you will see there the shooter had to kill at least one person.  This link goes to a WAPO story about a resource officer that killed the shooter before the shooter had killed anyone.

    If you construct your study to ignore instances of resource officers stopping the shooter before  he inflicts any fatalities it is worthless for determining resource officer affect on fatalities. It is BS, mule muffins, road apples, pidgin poo poo.

    If you ignore zero fatalities, the average number of fatalities will be higher.  Since that was done on purpose, the motive for doing the study, leaving out best case instances for resource officers, is suspect to say the least.

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    Truly pathetic (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by jondee on Thu May 26, 2022 at 02:54:31 PM EST
    That's the best you can do? More and better armed security?

    The issue is what we're going to do about all the conservatives still working overtime to make it easier for unbalanced, homocidal individuals to obtain devastating, military-grade weaponry.

    We've reached the point where we need to start charging a bunch of people as accessories.

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    The best (none / 0) (#131)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu May 26, 2022 at 03:07:56 PM EST

    I was just pointing to gaping holes in the study that was presented here as having some valid meaning.

    As to military-grade weaponry, can you point to so much as a single military in the world that uses the firearms used at Uvaldi?

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    It's military grade enough (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by jondee on Thu May 26, 2022 at 03:25:47 PM EST
    I guess the only leg you have left to stand on is to fixate on and quibble about barely-relevant minutiae.

    Anything to avoid talking about the right's moral culpability and the blood on your hands.

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    Why don't you explain that to this guy... (none / 0) (#134)
    by desertswine on Thu May 26, 2022 at 04:58:18 PM EST
    The husband of one of the teachers killed in a Texas school shooting this week collapsed and died on Thursday while preparing for his wife's funeral, the family said.

    Joe Garcia had been married to high school sweetheart, Irma Garcia, for 24 years before she was gunned down Tuesday at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.

    Oh, that's right, he's dead.  And so is his wife.

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    So basically all you have to support your (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 26, 2022 at 05:17:17 PM EST
    position is ONE 2018 incident where an armed resource officer killed the shooter before he killed anyone.

    One? Out of all the school shootings in the last 5 or 10 years, you can come up with one? Considering the numerous occurrences, your one incident equals a real low percentage by anyone's standard.

    People can come up with numerous occasions where an armed resource officer did not prevent students and teachers from being killed and injured. It would be even possible to provide links stating that the resource officer and multiple well armed policemen remained outside the school as the shooter was slaughtering the students and teachers.

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    You only need to find 1 (none / 0) (#136)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri May 27, 2022 at 08:17:16 AM EST

    You only need to find 1 to show they left out a whole class.  I'm not conducting the study.  The responsibility for presenting all data relative to the stated conclusions is on the authors of the study and no one else.  

    Choosing selection criterion that biases the result results in a biased study.  Hardly unexpected from MPR.

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    After the Robb Elementary massacre (none / 0) (#140)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 27, 2022 at 09:16:27 AM EST
    You'll have to change your "good guy with a gun" slogan to all you need is a "special tactical team" no matter how long it takes to show up and no matter how many more children are slaughtered or bleed out due to their injuries.

    Real live events have been proven time after time that armed resource officers cannot or will not protect those they were hired to protect. We now know that the regular police force cannot or will not protect school children even if they arrive at the school approximately 4 minutes after the shooter enters the school.

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    I (none / 0) (#106)
    by FlJoe on Wed May 25, 2022 at 04:09:33 PM EST
    notice you didn't provide a link. You do know that "defund the police" was a slogan with little to no reflection in actual policy.

    As a matter of reality no police force/school system  can properly staff or pay for the level of security needed to counter these threats.

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    The guy sells guns (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by jondee on Wed May 25, 2022 at 11:20:44 PM EST
    He said so himself awhile back.

    Engaging with him on this issue is like consulting a pimp about problems in the red light district.

    Though I have to say, the soulless people in the habit of belly crawling and groveling before the Gun Lobby make pimps seem respectable.

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    Seriously (none / 0) (#118)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 26, 2022 at 06:00:37 AM EST
    the NRA whores are way worse than the red light district residents. As far as I know the red light isn't mass murdering children.

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    In the last 20 years (none / 0) (#137)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri May 27, 2022 at 08:19:07 AM EST
     I've sold two guns.

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    Reality. (1.00 / 1) (#138)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri May 27, 2022 at 08:29:44 AM EST

    As a matter of reality, no police force/school system can properly staff or pay for the level of security needed to counter these threats.

    The Israeli practice of arming and training the bulk of the existing school staff has proven effective at putting and end to armed intruders.  That is reality. The marginal cost would be about $1,000 per staff member and $100 a year there after for proficiency.  Lets see if Senator Schumer prioritizes "gun control" over school safety.

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    Funny (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by FlJoe on Fri May 27, 2022 at 08:47:19 AM EST
    how you substitute bold characters for links.

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    How much would it cost to put (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 27, 2022 at 09:27:04 AM EST
    A special tactical team in each and every school, since evidently that is what is needed. The armed resource officer did not protect the children at Robb Elementary. The well funded police force in Uvalde did not  protect the children at Robb Elementary. They f**king retreated and waited for the tactical team to arrive some 40 to 60 minutes later.

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    Things you failed to mention in your (5.00 / 3) (#142)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 27, 2022 at 09:57:25 AM EST
    Israel example is the number of guns in Israel vs the number in the US and the gun controls in Israel.

    The US ranks #1 as the country with highest number of civilian guns per hundred persons with 120.5. Israel ranks #108 with 6.7. Civilians in the US have 113.8 more guns per person than Israel.

    GUN CONTROLS IN ISRAEL

    While many Israelis have weapons, they are not available to everyone and anyone. To receive a gun license, one must meet several criteria. First, an individual must live or work in a geographic area deemed to pose a higher terror risk, such as Israeli citizens living in Judea and Samaria or close to Arab villages with a history of producing terrorists.

    Next, a doctor, usually a general practitioner who has been treating an individual for many years, must complete a detailed health evaluation certifying that the applicant is both physically capable and mentally stable enough to carry a weapon. An applicant also needs to complete a shooting course with a certified instructor and demonstrate sufficient mastery of handling and shooting a weapon. Before a license is granted, a detailed security check is performed on applicants by Israeli authorities.

    Once granted, a license then permits an individual to own and carry a single handgun, and the specific weapon purchased by the gun owner is embedded in the license. Only the licensee may use that specific pistol. If the individual wishes to change handguns, the license must be amended. Furthermore, the license permits the gun owner to store a maximum of 50 bullets at any given time. A licensed owner may carry a weapon exposed (open carry) or concealed without limitation.

    The license must be renewed every two years and requires periodic shooting instruction and proof of proficiency. Anyone carrying a weapon must be able to present their license at any time.

    Private citizens are not allowed to own assault weapons, which are only carried by military personnel with army-issued weapons and ammunition.



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    That, essentially, (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 27, 2022 at 02:37:08 PM EST
    the entire police force armed with substantial firepower and body armor were afraid to confront one untrained 18-year with an AR-15 style firearm should be definitive evidence that access to that weapon should be highly restrictive or prohibited.  

    If at least 19 police officers are collectively too scared to confront a teenager who is killing little fourth-graders because of the weapon he has, that weapon should be illegal. The Scalia majority opinion in Heller, as curious as it is, retains the right to ban classes of weapons.  Of course, Scalia pretty much had to, or the Second Amendment May  also, in keeping with the ruling,  permit bazookas and nukes.

    The Republicans. It seems, know, but cannot acknowledge, that more police, more prison-like defenses, and more something are just more failed solutions to the problem.  Tragedies, such as Uvade, have Republicans scrambling for new and improved solutions such as Ted Cruz's "one door, fire marshal be damned policy". Citing unique instances or special but non-applicable circumstances is another old canard.

      All being distractions so as to bide time until the media moves on to the next story--such as some movie star's new and fabulous diet. Or,  of course, the "too soon" or "don't politicize" this problem that is caused by Republican politicians.  


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    The terrorists that caused the policy (1.00 / 2) (#145)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri May 27, 2022 at 01:56:43 PM EST

    Had weapons that were not licensed.  Licensing has proven not to stop armed school intruders. OTOH, arming and training school staff has proven effective.

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    Please tell that to the parents (5.00 / 2) (#147)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 27, 2022 at 02:16:22 PM EST
    Of the children at Sandy Hook, Robb Elementary and numerous others. All the dead children are proof how completely ineffective armed people at the schools are.

    Children at Robb were on the phone begging the police to save them. The police were armed and they did absolutely nothing.

    Maybe you missed the statement, that citizens in Israel are not permitted to purchase AR type weapons and are only allowed to possess 50 rounds of ammunition.

    I'm done with you, your lies and distortions. Anyone who values weapons capable of slaughtering a lot people in a matter of minutes above the life of children is IMO beneath contempt.

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    The policy of Connecticut (1.00 / 3) (#149)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri May 27, 2022 at 03:23:47 PM EST

    The policy of the state of Connecticut was that the school staff were to be defenseless and armed with no more than staplers and white board erasures.  Shameful.

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    Israel IPSC (1.00 / 2) (#150)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri May 27, 2022 at 03:35:17 PM EST
    Tiresome (5.00 / 4) (#154)
    by BGinCA on Fri May 27, 2022 at 04:46:06 PM EST
    I am afraid your posts are tiresome and argumentative and add nothing to the discours. Aside from finding a random youtube of a shooting range, if you were really interested in Israeli firearms laws you might have googled (!) the Israeli government site

    The type of firearm and number of bullets that a licensed firearm holder is permitted to purchase is limited, depending on the type of license - in most cases the weapon allowed is a pistol with a limit of 50 bullets. A license is granted for a specific firearm and any additional firearm requires an additional license. An individual who wishes to carry a personal firearm must meet all of the preconditions and adhere to at least one eligibility criterion.

    exemption for a licensed shooting range.

    Your posts are not a display of ignorance, they are willful misinformation. But thank you for your contribution to reasoned debate /s

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    Another fact about Israel (none / 0) (#153)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 27, 2022 at 04:36:23 PM EST
    Teachers are not armed in Israel schools no matter how many right wing politicians and their sycophants claim otherwise.

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    Here is a little more on Israel's gun controls (5.00 / 3) (#143)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 27, 2022 at 10:09:12 AM EST
    From the Times of Israel

    Comparing America to Israel on gun laws is dishonest - and revealing

    Israelis are well-armed, of course, but any similarity to conservative Americans masks a fundamental difference: In Israel, guns are tightly controlled and carefully tracked by the state.
    ...
    There's more. Once they are granted the right to carry a gun, Israelis are limited to just 50 bullets in their possession at any given time. They must shoot or return old bullets before they can buy new ones, a process that can only take place at tightly regulated shooting ranges where each bullet's sale is carefully registered. The types of guns permitted also depend on the reason for the license - i.e., a veterinarian may only purchase a gun approved by the government for the killing of animals, a hunter's license only permits the purchase of a firearm from an approved firearms list kept by the Parks Authority, and so forth.

    As stated in this and numerous other articles by Israelis, for the right wing to compare Israel to America is completely dishonest. But that of course is SOP for you and the right wing.

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    Walking and chewing gum.. (none / 0) (#144)
    by jondee on Fri May 27, 2022 at 01:44:57 PM EST
    It ain't a bogus either/or issue and shouldn't be framed as such.

    We can improve school security AND rein in the easy availability of devastating weaponry AND fund mental health services etc etc

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    Maybe so (none / 0) (#146)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri May 27, 2022 at 02:02:55 PM EST

    But the chance of Schumer proposing meaningful school safety proposals is next to zero. He wants the gun issue first and foremost.

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    Bow (none / 0) (#151)
    by FlJoe on Fri May 27, 2022 at 03:48:58 PM EST
    down to the "rod of iron", you and your arguments are pathetic.

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    We're not Israel. (none / 0) (#159)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat May 28, 2022 at 01:47:15 AM EST
    And for sure, Texas is certainly not Israel. 91 people have been killed in six mass shootings in Texas since Greg Abbott became that state's governor. 27 of them were children under 18 years of age, killed at school. Beto O'Rourke is right. Tuesday's tragedy in Uvalde is very much on Abbott and his fellow Texas Republicans.

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    Crimes of the Future (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 24, 2022 at 05:36:00 PM EST
    If you want to be distracted (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu May 26, 2022 at 11:30:28 AM EST
    from all the scary crazy stuff happening around us try passing a kidney stone.  

    Definitely didn't think about war or guns or theocratic totalitarianism for several hours.

    But it's all back today.  Sigh.

    Ray Liotta... (none / 0) (#125)
    by desertswine on Thu May 26, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM EST
    has passed away.

     

    Ray Liotta, the terrific actor whose career breakout came in the 1990 Martin Scorsese crime classic Goodfellas after co-starring in Field of Dreams, has died. He was 67.


    Joe Garcia, husband (none / 0) (#132)
    by KeysDan on Thu May 26, 2022 at 03:25:07 PM EST
    of Irma Garcia, one of the two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, Texas, died today of a heart attack. The high school sweethearts were married for 25 years and leave behind four children ages 13 to 23.  

    The GQP wants to arm teachers and administrators (none / 0) (#152)
    by Chuck0 on Fri May 27, 2022 at 04:18:00 PM EST
    to give more cover to cowardly LEOs waiting outside for the all the clear.

    Face it, a large percentage of cops are cowards. Plain and simple. It's why they are so quick to kill unarmed citizens. Or even people under-armed (knives/clubs). The go to work everyday scared. And they stayed scared all day.

    I saw it first hand with my own father. He was a bully and a coward. He became a cop after retiring from the US Navy.

    Brave first responders join the the fire department. Bullies join the police force and spend each day afraid of everyone around them.

    No guns allowed at the NRA convention (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by jondee on Fri May 27, 2022 at 05:00:30 PM EST
    How dare they, when ever-body knows guns are the ultimate expression of freedom?

    On another note, why hasn't someone dumped ten gallons of blood on Wayne Lapierre's head yet?

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    No guns are allowed at the Supreme Court (5.00 / 2) (#156)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 27, 2022 at 05:10:11 PM EST
    or any other court building. Yet, many of the same judges sitting in buildings where no gun are allowed, are more than happy to allow anyone who wishes to walk down our streets with AR type weapons, unimpeded.  

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    Ya got my attention (none / 0) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri May 27, 2022 at 07:01:58 PM EST

    It was 3:15 on the morning of June 26, 1980, and Congressman Bob Livingston was extraordinarily drunk, hiding in the congressional gym beneath the Rayburn House Office Building, petrified that a team of highly trained right-wing homosexual assassins working on behalf of Ronald Reagan was about to kill him.

    This account of the alleged "homosexual ring" that controlled Ronald Reagan, and the efforts to expose it on the eve of the 1980 Republican National Convention that nominated him for the presidency, is compiled from interviews with several of the surviving participants and documents uncovered in the papers of former Washington Post Executive Editor Ben Bradlee. Appropriately for a story involving what was once considered the gravest sin in American politics, it has never been told until now.


    The Plot to Out Ronald Reagan



    The book (none / 0) (#158)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 27, 2022 at 09:11:29 PM EST
    "Secret City..".  received high marks in a NYTimes review last week.   I ordered the book from Amazon but it is not released until next week.  

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    Great article (none / 0) (#160)
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