Wednesday Open Thread

I spent the day battling Wall Street banks in court today.

Open Thread.

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    You can (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 07:56:26 PM EST
    tell it's primary time around here because the threads are going well over 200 lately.

    True. But twitter is abruptly silent. Exhaustion? (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 07:58:22 PM EST
    BTD for President! (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 07:56:46 PM EST
    Oh, wait, sometimes he yells.

    Doesn't matter, (none / 0) (#4)
    by NYShooter on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 08:01:20 PM EST
    Trump calls people idiots & morons too.

    Knoxville (none / 0) (#5)
    by CoralGables on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 08:08:20 PM EST
    The Bruce Pearl culture continues. . . . (none / 0) (#8)
    by Towanda on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 08:23:26 PM EST
    "I am Charlotte Simmons." (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 08:30:50 PM EST
    Yep. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Towanda on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 08:36:40 PM EST
     But Charlotte wasn't the governor's baby mama. . . .

    NYT: Charles Blow: Stop Bernie-Splaining (none / 0) (#6)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 08:09:23 PM EST
    For instance, Sanders says that his agenda will require a Congress-flipping political revolution of like-minded voters, but so far, that revolution has yet to materialize. Just as in Iowa, in New Hampshire there were more voters -- or caucusgoers -- making choices in the Republican contest than in the Democratic one. That, so far, sounds more like a Republican revolution. If that trend holds for the rest of the primary season and into the general election, not only would Democrats not be likely pick up congressional seats, they could lose more of them.

    the correct URL for Charles Blow's piece (none / 0) (#7)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 08:12:08 PM EST
    I would (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 08:39:09 PM EST
    say that type of thinking is not confined to only African American voters. You could say a lot of it is just how it is in the south in general with a lot of voters.

    How important is this? (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 08:48:20 PM EST
    Well, it's an interesting case to consider (2.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Towanda on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 09:06:08 PM EST
    among journalists, as Coates is a journalist -- and this action violates the profession's code of ethics.

    Oh, wait; he says he is a historian.

    (He's not.)


    He said he was going to vote for him, (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Anne on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 09:17:19 PM EST
    and said it was not an "endorsement."

    Yet, Mr. Coates said he would not be helping to elect Mr. Sanders by making an appearances and that he would have preferred not to reveal that he planned to vote for him.

    "I'm not going to make any calls. I'm not going to volunteer. I'm not doing anything," Mr. Coates said. "I answered the question because I was asked the question. But, I just want to be clear. I reject the term supporter. I reject the term endorsement. I'm a voter."

    Is he allowed to be a voter?


    Journalists certainly can vote (none / 0) (#21)
    by Towanda on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 09:39:35 PM EST
    although a few read the ethics code otherwise.

    But to publicly announce one's vote and claim it is not an endorsement is telling about Coates, isn't it?  


    He's neither. (3.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 09:27:12 PM EST
    Coates is yet another "progressive" member of the professional commentariat with a great big chip on his shoulder, who like his brethren won't rest until he's so thoroughly trashed his own side's candidates that progressive voters once again sit on their hands as more right-wing Republicans are elected, thus ensuring for our country a dependable supply of insensitive and tone-deaf white people in power that he can bitterly complain about.



    Not very. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 08:55:07 PM EST
    Endorsements don't seem to change minds much.

    What if Sharpton, Jackson, Oprah, (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 09:15:47 PM EST
    or John Lewis publicly announced at this point a vote for Sanders?

    I don't think Bernie (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 09:18:48 PM EST
    Should want and endorsement war with Hillary.  It would not end well for him.

    Let's naively assume Sanders isn't seeking (none / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 10:23:28 PM EST
    endorsements. Assume prominent people of color merely reveal prior to South Carolina primary for whom they intend to vote?

    Doubt either matter much generally (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 10:29:15 PM EST
    But this one might-

    Rep. James Clyburn, the third-ranking House Democrat and influential South Carolina leader, said in an interview today that he may soon endorse one of the two Democratic presidential contenders after previously pledging to remain neutral.

    Clyburn, who did not make a public endorsement ahead of the South Carolina Democratic primary in 2008, said that he is getting pressured to "take a stand" on the 2016 race for the White House.

    Clyburn didn't say definitely if he was leaning toward endorsing Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. He plans to discuss an endorsement this weekend with his close family, who have exerted the most pressure on him, and has ruled out an endorsement before next week, according to a source close to the congressman.

    "I have a wife and three daughters, so you figure it out," Clyburn said, laughing. "They are my family, they are my consultants."

    Then we'd have to conclude that ... (none / 0) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 09:41:43 PM EST
    oculus: "What if Sharpton, Jackson, Oprah of John Lewis publicly announced a vote for Sanders."

    ... Sharpton, Jackson, Oprah or John Lewis are likely just as desperate for the public's attention as Ta-Nehisi Coates.



    LOL! (none / 0) (#28)
    by shoephone on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 10:10:13 PM EST
    I doubt he's "desperate for attention" considering that he won the National Book Award for nonfiction in November, and is currently a finalist for the National Book Critics Award.

    He's pretty darn famous, Donald--much more famous than anyone posting comments in these threads. You may want to test out a different insult for him.


    Right.. (none / 0) (#32)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 10:31:16 PM EST
    And if anyone wanted to see someone like John Lewis's life's work blotted out and consigned to the scrap heap of superficial attention seekers, they could've gone to one of the sites Jim likes to link to.

    Probably important (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 09:14:05 PM EST
    To his Twitter followers who are still pissed about the reparations thing.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 09:41:34 PM EST
    that's what it seems like to me. Trying to have it both ways with the social media crowd.

    Donald (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 09:09:57 PM EST
    In a speech in SC tonight come out strongly for Medicare and Social Security.  Says there will be no reductions no raising of the retirement age .  Nobody is going to touch Medicare or Social Security.

    This is something new in the R side.

    He certainly (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 09:43:04 PM EST
    knows his audience. Lots of elderly retirees in SC. Wonder how it is going to play out with other Republicans though.

    I doubt Southerners (none / 0) (#27)
    by NYShooter on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 10:05:55 PM EST
    were ever against Medicare and social security. They went along with it because the other things their Republican politicians gave them "trumped" their own well-being....racism, xenophobia, anti-gay bigotry, anti-same sex marriage, gobs of faux religion, you know the list.

    Trump is smart. He was going to have to do it later anyway; doing it in the South means he can't be accused of double crossing them when the campaign leaves his Southern stronghold.


    lol, BTD. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 09:39:49 PM EST
    ODonnell (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 09:53:22 PM EST
    Had Howard Dean and some others on thanking about the coming contests and the showed graphics for both NV and SC.

    On the NV graphic they reversed the numbers.  Bernie 50 Hillary 27.  Howard called him out for it.

    "Oh yeah, well, you know, that happens"

    SC was Hillary 64 Bernie 27.  They got that one right.

    What I don't get about Bernie Sanders is (none / 0) (#29)
    by vml68 on Wed Feb 10, 2016 at 10:13:59 PM EST
    why he did not run for president in 2008.
    We were at the height of the Global Financial Crisis, people were furious with Wall St and if he wanted to break up the banks, that was a good time to step up.

    Also, unemployment was high, people were scared and it was a golden opportunity to push programs with more safety nets for the average Joe.

    Same thing for health care. Why now after so much time and effort was spent trying to pass the ACA?

    IMO, Bernie's time was in 2008 and he missed the bus.