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Update [2021-1-26 0:29:44 by hillct]: Service was restored early Tuesday evening. Please feel free to use this thread to confirm proper comment operations, and send an email to the site administration if you continue to encounter difficulty.

[Original Post] Apparently, we have a glitch in our software that has been preventing comments since I posted an article on Joe Biden and his Peloton. I've gotten emails from some of you saying you can't post a comment, and I tried and I can't either. Colin, our webmaster, has been working on this for the past several hours and says it is a very unusual error. Unfortunately, it won't be fixed until tomorrow (Monday). So please stay tuned, and be patient and I apologize for the inconvenience.

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    Comments should be operating normally (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by hillct on Mon Jan 25, 2021 at 11:26:15 PM EST
    As of early evening on Tuesday, comments should be operating normally once again. Feel free to use this threat to test and confirm proper operation, and send us an email if issues persist.

    You must be Collin (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 08:46:29 AM EST

    Colin (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 08:47:47 AM EST
    It's alive! It's alive! It's ali -i - i- ive! (none / 0) (#17)
    by desertswine on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 10:39:50 AM EST
    Hurray (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 05:50:52 AM EST
    Thanks Colin. The site is working again

    Yes, Colin has been the go-to sitemaster (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 06:38:22 AM EST
    here since 2006. He never minds hearing from me even when I call in the middle fo the night, panicked. We are lucky to have him! Thanks, Colin!!

    Memo to Dem leadership (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 11:08:41 AM EST
    DO NOT make Susan Collins President this time around. Twist Manchin's arm or give him enough pork and push everything possible through reconciliation. No more bowing before Collins.

    BTW (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 12:53:52 PM EST
    the media was just promoting the BS that Collins would be needed to support Dem legislation. What crap. Never going to happen.

    Did you see the Maddow interview (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 11:30:16 AM EST
    with Schumer last night.  It was infuriating.  I couldn't listen to hiss BS so I kept coming back to see if she ever asked him an actual question. Like why aren't you doing your job?

    He kept saying he was not going to let Mitch run things.  While Mitch was, in fact, running things.  He kept talking about "tools" they had "if they needed to use them"

    I couldn't watch it.

    I'll just say democrats had better seize the F'ing day.   For their sake and ours.  And I have never thought Chuck was up to it.  Harry, absolutely.  Chuck, not so much.

    If it takes AOC announcing a primary or whatever.  Do it.


    Mitch finally allowed (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 11:41:22 AM EST
    Chuck to go ahead organizing the Senate so republicans would not continue to chair all the committees I think last night.

    Something Schumer could have already done with a simple majority rules change but, you know, he didn't want to step on toes.

    Mitch wanted a promise he would not kill the filibuster.  And Chuck would not pinky swear.

    I just wonder if Chuckie remembers Mitches pinky swear about Supreme Court nominees?

    Seriously, WTF.  If you need to promise, promise.  Then do what you want.


    We can not keep playing by different rules and expect to stop being stomped.  I'm really tired of being stomped so I can feel good and righteous about myself.


    Manchin and Sinema gave McConnell (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 12:31:06 PM EST
    what he wanted by promising that they would never vote to eliminate the filibuster.

    As long as Dems only have 50 Senators, they are stuck with the filibuster. Schumer knows this and McConnell knew this all the while he was playing his power games.

    The conservative Dems (media please quit calling them moderate) could have played their hand better except they enjoy their power games every bit as much as McConnell. They could have indicated that they were opposed to eliminating the filibuster and they hoped that McConnell didn't force them to change their mind. Bottom line Dems suck at playing the game.


    Well, the (none / 0) (#28)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 12:27:12 PM EST
    LBJ room of the Capitol was a beautiful setting.   Rachel asked about Supreme Court reforms, but not about DC statehood. Seems Chuck is walking on eggs with a 50/50 senate including Manchin and Sinema. But, that "we have tools" made me worry. The last time it was we have many arrows in our quiver, winding up giving us the Handmaiden.  

    The Moscow Turtle didn't't really have much of a hand to play, and with the expected obstruction, even Manchin and Sinema will be given cover for their votes.


    Every time he says this (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 12:30:44 PM EST
    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) on Tuesday condemned Democratic support for abolishing the legislative filibuster, arguing that it would create a "scorched-earth Senate," Axios reports.

    Said McConnell: "No short term policy win justifies destroying the Senate as we know it."

    It should be pointed out that no one -no one- is talking about this except him.

    Everyone else presumable knows the votes to do this do not exist.   I hope it backfires and his obstruction becomes the justification.


    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 04:06:51 PM EST
    that is what I think is going to happen. Mitch pulls his normal stunts and Manchin and Sinema have had enough and the filibuster goes. The question is how long before it goes?

    No segue. What can you tell us about (none / 0) (#101)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 08:06:00 PM EST
    Congresswoman Greene's district?

    Finally (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 11:25:47 AM EST
    Normal is the new normal.

    Unity is not necessarily (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 12:09:51 PM EST
    bipartisan, according to President Biden.  Unity is..  " trying to reflect what the majority of the American people, Democrats, Republicans, Independents, think is within the fulcrum of what needs to be done to make their lives better and the lives of Americans better."

    "If you pass a piece of legislation that breaks down on party lines, but it gets passed, it doesn't' mean there wasn't unity, it just means it wasn't bipartisan."

    The president clarified that getting Republican votes would be nice, but not worth crippling the legislation if a better bill, or any bill, can be passed solely by Democrats.  We know, of course, that Republicans will re-discover deficits so spending to help people will be bad.  And, apparently, the Administration is considering a program to help children who qualify, with direct monthly stipends.  Such programs, as well as the COVID relief package, will be taken up by reconciliation, in all likelihood.  I like the way the President thinks.

    This is serious (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 01:28:28 PM EST
    and should be used in the impeachment trial

    Pentagon Restricted D.C. Guard Commander Before Riot

    "Local commanders typically have the power to take military action on their own to save lives or prevent significant property damage in an urgent situation when there isn't enough time to obtain approval from headquarters."

    "But Maj. Gen. William J. Walker, the commanding general of the District of Columbia National Guard, said the Pentagon essentially took that power and other authorities away from him ahead of a pro-Trump protest on Jan. 6. That meant he couldn't immediately roll out troops when he received a panicked phone call from the Capitol Police chief warning that rioters were about to enter the U.S. Capitol."

    "the Pentagon" (none / 0) (#39)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 01:43:24 PM EST
    who specifically at the Pentagon?

    The Michael Flynn clone contingent?

    Is whoever's responsible really going to be allowed to just duck-and-cover in the faceless, nameless Pentagon?


    A lot more info in Wa Post article (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 01:56:42 PM EST
    He needed to wait for approval from McCarthy and acting defense secretary Christopher C. Miller before dispatching troops, even though some 40 soldiers were on standby as a quick reaction force.
    Had he not been restricted, Walker said he could have dispatched members of the D.C. Guard sooner. Asked how quickly troops could have reached the Capitol, which is two miles from the D.C. Guard headquarters at the Armory, Walker said, "With all deliberate speed -- I mean, they're right down the street."


    Trump Didn't Order It... (none / 0) (#40)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 01:54:07 PM EST
    ...one of his henchmen did, it has nothing to do with inciting violence.  I think this will be known in history as an epic failure for only going after Trump, and only for the one charge.

    Maybe a commission should be formed to put all the pieces together and start arresting actual, real life, traitors.

    I read a similar story, but it named the person who said the General had to ask him for permission first.  Sorry I didn't save the link.


    Preventing the (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 02:16:03 PM EST
    necessary security for a probable violent event seemed to enable the mob to enact their advertised actions.

    Trump established the lies that were the basis for the insurgence. Trump invited the insurgents to come to the event. He directed the mob to the capital. His henchmen enacted new rules to prevent proper security before and during the take over the capital. He refused requests for help to be sent to the capital for several hours.

    Seems all of a piece to me.


    Not Unless Trump Told Him to Require Permission... (none / 0) (#50)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 05:59:01 PM EST
    ...which seems very unlikely.

    A Select Committee (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 02:46:59 PM EST
    and in-depth investigation on the Capital Riot, like the right was so eager for with Benghazi! Benghazi!

    A prolonged, very public forensic investigation that casts a sustained, powerful spotlight on Trump and the entire conspiracy-mongering rw noise machine apparatus.

    These yutzes are long past due for their Joseph Welch "have you no decency?" moment.

    Just making it about Trump ain't gonna cut-it. Not by a long shot. The noise machine will just use it to turn Trump into the lone martyr/hero of a 'politically motivated attack'.


    Section 230 (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 03:43:09 PM EST
    "In a hearing on her nomination for Commerce Department secretary on Tuesday, Rhode Island Governor Gina Raimondo told lawmakers that she will pursue changes to Section 230 if confirmed," The Verge reports.

    Said Raimondo: "I think platform accountability is important because I've seen in my own state that misinformation hurts people. But of course, that reform would have to be balanced against the fact that these businesses rely upon user-generated content for their innovation, and they've created many thousands of jobs."

    Ben Collins: "I do wonder what happens to the far-right when they realize getting rid of this law they've lobbied for years to kill is going to hurt them more than anyone else."

    In a closed door (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 02:07:37 PM EST
    briefing to the House Appropriations Committee, the Acting Chief of the DC Metro Police reported that Officer Jeffrey Smith committed suicide in the aftermath of the seditious insurrection at the Capitol.  Capitol police officer, Howard Liebengood, had previously been reported to have taken his own life after the attack

    The Chief also reported that 65 DC Metro police officers sustained documented injuries.  Many more sustained injuries but "did not bother" to make official reports.

    The killer(s) of Capitol police officer, Brian Sicknick, has not yet been apprehended.

    While Trump, of course, was the ringleader of this attempted coup, there is much more to know.  It is unsurprising that most of the senate Republicans want to bury the impeachment, and not just because they want to protect the boss.

    I have nothing but respect for Ms Pittman (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 03:24:17 PM EST
    a great story

    But seriously do you think it will result in a rash of babies named Yogananda?  I hope so.


    This is Unbeleivable. (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 06:33:38 PM EST
    Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio Was an FBI Informant

    The most unbeleiveable part is the leader of a white supremist orgnization is named Enrique Tarrio.

    A real life Clayton Bigsby ?

    Oh yeah, and he was a prolific informant for the FBI.

    I am very surprised that his attorney and (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 07:33:18 PM EST
    the prosecutor would discuss this in open court. There is a powerful anti-snitch culture in jails and prisons. The news coverage could be very dangerous for him, far outweighing whatever advantage he thinks he is obtaining now by bringing it up openly at a bail hearing.

    A lot of this stuff (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 06:47:08 PM EST
    seems to be happening very fast.  This, the business with the Michigan Militia guy who has flipped and is going to testify against his pals.  You know there is going to be droves of rioters turning on each other.

    Amazing what a functioning DOJ can do.


    Not even (none / 0) (#102)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 08:08:30 PM EST
    just the rioters turning on each other. Lots of pissed off Americans turning in their neighbors and family members to the FBI. Just saw a clip from Florida where a convenience store assistant manager was turned in by a coworker. I'm sure there are probably more stories like that one. I would turn in my neighbor if I saw them on the FBI wanted list.

    Now they know why their grandfathers (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by desertswine on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 09:18:58 PM EST
    wore hoods.

    They went (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 08:28:44 PM EST
    I don't know whether (none / 0) (#105)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 09:12:44 PM EST
    to be thankful or surprised that his family isn't the ones that had to turn him in.

    Oath Keepers (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 08:36:44 PM EST
    Get the first Conspiracy Charges.  I love these people are going to learn conspiracy is about more than theories.

    Leader of Oath Keepers charged with conspiracy in Capitol riot


    Non-paywall version of the OathKeeper (none / 0) (#108)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 11:38:16 PM EST
    indictment story at NPR.

    Works for me (none / 0) (#2)
    by jmacWA on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 04:47:53 AM EST
    I hope.

    I can post (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 06:37:20 AM EST
    Yes! Thank you Colin and Jeralyn!

    Testing 123, Testing... (none / 0) (#6)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 08:15:05 AM EST

    State Republican parties want to help democrats (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 08:44:50 AM EST
    Oregon Republican Party falsely calls U.S. Capitol riot a `false flag' meant to `discredit President Trump'


    Arizona GOP censures Ducey, Flake and McCain as tensions rise


    Hawaii GOP Official Resigns After Posting Pro-QAnon Tweets
    A high-ranking official with the Hawaii Republican Party has resigned after posting a series of tweets about the QAnon conspiracy theory on the official party account.

    And there is GA.

    2022 should be a good year for republicans.  1st midterm after losing all power and the White House.

    But they are laying plans to nominate batshi+ crazy candidates that will lose general elections.

    If you need an upside to the insanity, start there.  Also if I was an elected republican, especially in the Senate, I would be wanting bite the bullet and remove the tumor.

    Even (none / 0) (#48)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 04:12:43 PM EST
    if they don't nominate the crackpot candidates how much damage are the crackpot candidates going to do? I fully expect Doug Collins or some other crackpot to run against Brian Kemp in the GOP primary, probably the SOS and every Republican will have a crackpot candidate. I don't expect Collins to knock off Kemp but they certainly could in some of the other races. However how damaged is Kemp going to be limping into a governor's race? We saw this with Loeffler. The minute they get a primary opponent they become the Qanon candidate.

    The OFP (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 08:52:59 AM EST
    Donald Trump announced Monday the official opening of the "Office of the Former President" in Palm Beach County, Florida, which is tasked with overseeing the 45th president's official activities in his post-presidency life, CBS News reports.

    The reason most used to impeach is to keep him from ever holding office again.  Which honestly seems pretty unlikely to me already.

    I think at least some of the focus should be stopping him from enjoying all the perks for life he currently stands to enjoy.
    Like, I actually read this is possible, SS protection in prison.

    he ordered (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 10:49:13 AM EST
    SS protection for his children for an additional six months. I want that stopped ASAP. That protection is at the taxpayer's expense. I do not want to be paying for the reprobates security for the next six months. Supposedly these are rich people (I ain't). They can pay for their own GD protection.

    And, the (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 11:04:21 AM EST
    rest of the perks should go, including the $500,000 per year in travel funds for the former First Lady, Mel.

    Here (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 08:55:47 AM EST
    Not sure why he would (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 09:14:29 AM EST
    need SS protection. There are plenty of his white supremacists  and nazis buddies in prison to protect him.

    They were already turning on him (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 09:43:26 AM EST
    after his lukewarm backpedaling following the shi+show.  If he testifies, as he has indicated he might, at the impeachment and throws them further over the side or under the bus they just might not be his buddies quite so much.

    The main (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 04:14:43 PM EST
    reason for me is to take any benefits from him that he is entitled to as an ex-president. I guess even though he might not be impeached again maybe they can hold a vote to remove his benefits.

    I just wish the indictments would start rolling out.


    If this posts, then (none / 0) (#13)
    by leap on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 09:36:50 AM EST

    Why in fcking hll is (none / 0) (#15)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 10:25:09 AM EST
    MSNBC booking Joe Lieberman to discuss anything? They can guarantee that I will change the channel the minute he appears on air.

    Same with Comey... (none / 0) (#16)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 10:33:00 AM EST
    ...no one cares what they think.

    So true (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 11:01:04 AM EST
    Someone should develop a list of channel changing commentators and send it to MSNBC & CNN.

    Agreed, (none / 0) (#21)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 11:06:09 AM EST
    and add any clips of Gingrich.

    MSNBC has had a change of (none / 0) (#32)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 12:40:42 PM EST
    leadership at the top. Phil Griffin (who back in the days of JonBenet and the Clinton Impeachment trial hired me as an MSNBC legal analyst)  is no longer there. I think they plan to go with more diverse programing and hosts. The person to direct  your complaints to is Rashida Jones. Or just switch to CNN and watch Cuomo and Lemon and Anderson Cooper.

    CNN has several change (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 12:50:23 PM EST
    channel people on their list of regular guests. Probably one of the most "puke worthy" is Rick Santorum but they have several other Trump toddies who I refuse to remember their names.

    For some reason, Cuomo has a tendency to get on my last nerve.


    So agree about Cuomo (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 01:09:25 PM EST
    and IMO Lemon is a close second.  To be fair followed by Ari Melber, Ali Velshi and Alex Whitt.

    I also avoid CNN because of the balance provided by Santorum or others just as bad.


    I actually like (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 01:18:57 PM EST
    Ali Velshi. Surprisingly enough, one of my favorites is former Republican, Nicolle Wallace.

    I've been avoiding cable news (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 01:35:00 PM EST
    After four years of covering the Trump circus I had forgotten how bad they are at covering regular non insane political news.  

    Rarely watch TV (none / 0) (#46)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 03:51:28 PM EST
    until evening, although I, too, like Nicolle Wallace to the point of being a favorite.  And, it is a split decision for Ari Melber (negative) and Ali Velshi (positive, although he does have a shouting voice).

    Nicole is good (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 07:55:10 AM EST
    the only cable show I consistently watch now is Morning Joe.  

    They are doing good work.  Also it's part of my fitness routine keeping my attention while I'm on the Stairmaster.


    Wolf Blitzer. (none / 0) (#44)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 03:07:53 PM EST
    Cannot bear to listen to him drone on.

    Still [new] doesn't appear in top thread (none / 0) (#26)
    by RickyJim on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 12:04:34 PM EST
    And by the way, not a single Republican senator wants to do away with the filibuster?  And Portman says he won't run again because of gridlock.  Does he have a suggestion about what to do about it?  If all the retiring Republican senators voted to end the filibuster, would it pass?

    Just After I Complained (none / 0) (#31)
    by RickyJim on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 12:39:16 PM EST
    [new] started to appear in this thread.  I suppose it is an example of the squeaky wheel thing. :-)

    Leahy has been hospitalized (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 06:02:56 PM EST
    I don't think we really know why yet

    Out of an abundance of caution (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 06:03:39 PM EST
    Not why specifically

    Not to be (none / 0) (#53)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 06:45:09 PM EST
    a crepehanger, but the Vermont Governor is a Republican who can make an appointment until a special election within six months.  Get well soon senator.

    This emphasizes (none / 0) (#55)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 07:34:44 PM EST
    the need to move legislation through reconciliation ASAP.

    Unify the country by providing people what they need to survive now.


    His wife (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 07:18:47 PM EST
    said he is fine and will be back at work tomorrow.

    However this should be a lesson on why senators need to retire. Both of them in Vermont should retire.


    Yes (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 07:44:13 PM EST
    US Senator is a big job.  To big for most 80 year olds.

    Probably for most 70 year olds but seriously, just go fishing.  The government will run without you.


    but there is something to be said (none / 0) (#61)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 02:49:32 AM EST
    for institutional knowledge and both Leahy and Sanders have it. Being Senator is not like being President where you have 20 meetings a day and 100 phone calls and everybody wants a piece of your time and you have ton of agencies to remember what they do and who's in charge. Senators don't even have to fly anywhere except home once in a while.  They don't even have to go from campaign event to campaign event since they run for office every six years.

    I like that they can remember every slight and every time Democrats (like Biden) teamed up with Republicans.


    So we get (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 07:47:15 AM EST
    doddering DiFi giving Lindsey a bear hug.

    True, she is 87 but when is it enough.   I'm 70 in a few months.  I personally think I'm capable of doing the job.  I would never want to but I think (I think) I still have the chops.  But I know with some certainty I will not have them forever and more importantly i know better than anyone I'm half the man, physically AND mentally, I was 20 years ago.  That's a fact.  And my doctor agrees I am a weirdly healthy and hale 70 yo.

    One other thing is when I go to class reunions, which is one of the only time I'm around people my age, I see most of them are lucky to not get lost going home.  

    Why do we need Leahy?  Cause the oldest one gets the Pro Tem gold ring?
    Why do we need DiFi?  Is there no other person in her state capable of doing her job?  Pretty sure there is.  

    I would add that I think "institutional knowledge" can become the problem.  

    Fortunately we finally have a great group of rising stars in the party.  And when they are 80 hopefully we will have more.

    My 2 cents on ageism.


    The water or air must have been bad (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 08:31:33 AM EST
    around your school if most of your classmates have a hard time finding their way home at 70.

    Most of my immediate circle of friends are 76 and up. They are extremely active, involved in community events and mentally sharp. We have line dancers in their 80s and 90s that can and do remember intricate dance routines. We have two 98 year old ladies that pre-COVID attended all the dances and community events and remained mentally sharp. One of our beautiful ladies, was up jitterbugging whenever they played appropriate music.

    DiFi definitely should have retired. It is my understanding that she did consider retiring prior to her last election but for whatever reason the powers that be talked her out of it.

    I'm all for bringing younger people into Democratic leadership positions but I think it can best be accomplished by changing some of the Democratic policies. Most important would be to stop the establishment's policy to interfere on the part of incumbents during primary challenges.


    Not really interested in (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 09:03:00 AM EST
    arguing about it tho I confess I don't know what line dancing has to do with anything.

    You say your circle of friends.  I would guess that means they are people you have chosen to be involved with over the years.  Naturally you would choose people who are "active and involved".

    My senior class mates are an entirely random group of 70 year olds.  About a third are healthy and "involved".  Another third are in the go along to get along stage and another third are barely there.  

    As I said I have few friends my own age.  Partly because of locality there are very VERY few I have anything in common with.  I actually had to stop interacting with some of them in the last 4 years because of Trump.

    Of the dozen or so I am in contact with, two are slipping quickly into dementia.   Most of the others are not that well.  One told me two days ago she had stopped buying green bananas  

    I get age discrimination.  I was pushed out of a job I loved at 60 mostly because I was just to old to work at a game company.  That's not what I'm talking about.

    That said, they did me a favor.  I never knew how much I wanted out until I was pushed out.  It was the best thing that could have happened.

    Maybe DiFi and the others will find there is life after celebrity.


    FYI Advanced line dancing (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 10:10:32 AM EST
    involves complicated sequences of steps that require cognitive and physical ability.

    I was pushed into retirement at 55 to save the corporation money in paying out more in a grandfathered pension fund. I pursued other venues which I enjoyed and for several years have throughly enjoyed being fully retired.

    I'm not against retiring. I do object to seniors, particularly young seniors, being portrayed as a group as mentally incompetent.  


    What is Interesting... (none / 0) (#66)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 09:33:49 AM EST
     ..in Corporate America, where they are far more sensitive to ageism than most places, there are no 70 or 80 year olds running around.  Once every 5 years we have 'voluntary retirement' in which they offer you a nice check based on years, pay your medical until you are Medicare eligible, and let you know if you don't take it, there's a chance you will get let-go without the bonuses.  No one passes.

    My point, Corporate America isn't exactly the model for America, but they do understand how to get the most out of their workforce and having people of a certain age isn't worth any knowledge they might have.

    While I think Ted Cruz is a pile of steaming elephant dung, he has introduced a term limits Amendment numerous times.  For government officials, terms limits should be written into the Constitution.  I would also add the SCOTUS to that list, sorry, but I don't want 80 year old people making determinations for future generations.  If term limits are good enough for Presidents they are good enough for the other branches of government.  Speaking of, Joe Biden is too old to be President IMO.  If he manages to get reelected, he will be 86 at the end of that term, that is completely bonkers.

    Cap age at 75 for all high office jobs, senators, representative, presidents, vice presidents, SCOTUS, I would go as far as cabinet members, and ambassadors.  They can easily afford to retire, let some young blood in.

    From above, I was 48 last time we have voluntary retirement, you have to be 50.  I tried to get a waiver, they laughed at me because that is a hard requirement.  I am now 50 with 22 years service.

    Maybe I will retire, maybe I will consult, but I know I ain't gonna be one of these clowns who work until they die and never enjoy the fruits of all their labors.  I understand not everyone has the same options, but certainly Congress folks are not working past 65 because they didn't save enough.  If I had to guess, most are doing it to amass wealth for future generations and that isn't good for anyone but their offspring.

    Politician should not be a career.


    I Disagree 100% (none / 0) (#69)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 10:28:55 AM EST
    I am not aware of evidence that, overall, such elderly officials are any worse for the country than younger ones.  Much worse is the outmoded US Constitution especially the US Senate whose makeup can't be changed by the amendment process.  If Presidents and Senators showing signs of dementia bother you, complain about the "democratic" process that put them there.

    I Didn't Bring Mental Capacity... (none / 0) (#78)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 02:42:39 PM EST
    ...into the discussion.

    So we can have age requirements at one end of the spectrum but at the other end its unconscionable ?  Got it.

    Evidence, THIS vs THIS.

    If people need to pretend older folks are as capable as younger folks, well go for it, but there it ain't a 20 year old on the planet someone would describe them line dancing as some sort of accomplishment unless they were handicapped in some way.  It is an accomplishment at 90, at 20 it's done while drinking large quantities of alcohol on most weekends.


    Dr. Fauci is 80 (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 07:19:06 PM EST
    Are you dissatisfied with his performance?

    Are you a dancer? (none / 0) (#79)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 02:58:21 PM EST
    Have you ever performed complicated dance routines? Are you proficient in advance line dancing routines where precise steps must memorized? There are very different levels of dance routines. Drunken line dancing falls in the same category as drunken karaoke performed in bars.

    Not a Dancer... (none / 0) (#93)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 06:11:51 PM EST
    ...but like most people, I can dance and in Texas often that means line dancing.

    I am still confused what this has to do with politicians working into their 80's.  
    If you can line dance you can govern ?


    It has to do with (none / 0) (#96)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 06:40:42 PM EST
    mental capacity. Some young members of Congress are incapable of governing and are more concerned with advancing their personal power and financial well-being.  Other older members of Congress, are very knowledgeable about governance and the needs of their constituents. The are good younger people in Congress. There are good older people in Congress. There are mediocre young people and mediocre old people in Congress and there are young people and old people that really should not be there.

    Ed Marley defeated the much younger Kennedy and he did it with the support of the younger generation. So past performance and being in tune with your constituents, counts for more than just youth with many voters.


    Yes. Bernie. (none / 0) (#100)
    by leap on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 07:45:24 PM EST

    My comments were I supposed to be (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 02:59:02 PM EST
    about self awareness and personal responsibility.  

    And about the capacity to hold an office that is responsible for making decisions decisions about a country.


    We're not supposed to take it to the grave.

    We had a longtime mayor here on the Big island, Harry Kim, who had served in county government for over 40 years. So everyone was surprised, none more so than Harry himself, when voters finally denied him yet another term as mayor in last August's primary. He finished third and didn't even make the runoff.

    I wasn't surprised at all. Look, Harry's basically a good guy, but he had been at the County Building in Hilo for so long that at age 81, he often saw himself as the institution. He increasingly conflated his own political interests with the public interest, as though they were one and the same. Well, they weren't.

    Having re-entered the public sector again myself as I did in 2019, I currently mentor several 20- and 30-somethings at the county planning office. I'm turning 60 next month, and I'm not going to be in government forever. I certainly don't see myself still doing this at 80.

    And so, I share with younger colleagues my own institutional knowledge and hopefully, not my institutional phobias. It will be comforting to know that when I depart, everything isn't going to collapse without me.



    Well yes (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 03:01:55 PM EST
    That's a healthy attitude IMO.

    Not the "Hydros" (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 07:48:10 PM EST
    That are easy to sell.
    "The Oklahoma Attorney General's Office has been tasked with attempting to return a $2 million stockpile of a malaria drug once touted by former President Donald Trump as a way to treat the coronavirus," the Frontier reports.

    "In April, Gov. Kevin Stitt (R), who ordered the hydroxychloroquine purchase, defended it by saying that while it may not be a useful treatment for the coronavirus, the drug had multiple other uses and `that money will not have gone to waste in any respect.'"

    I can imagine this guy saying "I thought the kids loved these things!"

    Best suggestion (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 07:54:53 PM EST
    I have seen is donate it to the Lupus Foundation and let them distribute it to people who need it.

    A fool and his money are soon parted and apparently Oklahoma is run by a lot of fools.


    There must be something (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 07:54:41 PM EST
    Nancy can do about this person.  She absolutely should not be in the Congress.  I don't care if she was elected.  They can elect some one else.  

    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) repeatedly indicated support for executing prominent Democratic politicians in 2018 and 2019 before being elected to Congress, a CNN KFile review of hundreds of posts and comments from Greene's Facebook page shows.

    She is Kevin McCarthy's (none / 0) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 26, 2021 at 07:56:12 PM EST
    problem and he needs to handle it. I have a feeling all this stuff that is coming out about her is coming from the GOP here in GA since they are going to have to running with her in 2022.

    It was interesting that Psaki (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 12:45:20 PM EST
    said that there would not be any discussion on Green in that or any future press conference.

    McCarthy (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 01:10:31 PM EST
    is apparently going to have a "talk" with Marjorie. Good luck with that. LOL. Frankly he would be better off sending her for a psychiatric evaluation and have her ruled mentally incompetent.

    Had the talk (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 04:31:50 PM EST
    he said don't threaten to kill other republicans

    The call, which was hosted by the National Republican Congressional Committee, was aimed at ensuring that members ponied up money to help win back the majority, with GOP members pledging more than $2 million to the party campaign committee.
    And on the call, sources said, Republicans committed to filling the NRCC's coffers, including controversial freshman Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene. The Georgia Republican promised to pay her dues and transfer $175,000 to the NRCC, which prompted the committee's chairman, Minnesota Rep. Tom Emmer, to thank her during the call, the sources said.
    Greene herself has been engaged in a Twitter war with one fellow House Republican, Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger, who has warned his party not to follow her brand of politics. CNN reported Tuesday that Greene repeatedly indicated support for executing prominent Democratic politicians in 2018 and 2019 before being elected to Congress, which has drawn backlash from lawmakers including Kinzinger.
    But McCarthy is eager to keep those disputes private. A spokesman for the GOP leader did not respond to a request for comment



    I'm watching the covid briefing (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 10:27:39 AM EST
    they are having multiple technical problems.  That and the fact the people are clearly not chosen because they are "good on tv" is strangely comforting.

    Michigan militia (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM EST

    "One of the Michigan militiamen accused of conspiring to overthrow the state government, kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, and put her on trial for `treason' before Election Day has pleaded guilty in the foiled plot," the Daily Beast reports.

    Ty Garbin "has also agreed to take a polygraph test and testify against his co-conspirators."


    Homeland security terrorism bulliten (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 12:32:47 PM EST
    Here's something different... (none / 0) (#74)
    by desertswine on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 01:20:58 PM EST
    Got a million bucks?  Like French history?  Then you might like to purchase Napoleon's manuscript about his victory at the Battle of Austerlitz.

    Napoleon's account of the 1805 "three emperors" clash with Russo-Austrian forces, which is considered his greatest military victory, takes readers through preparations for battle, the fighting itself and is completed by a battle plan drawn by Bertrand on tracing paper.

    Also, Happy Birthday Wolfie baby. (5.00 / 3) (#92)
    by desertswine on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 06:04:08 PM EST
    265 wonderful years.

    "The music is not in the notes, but in the silence between."


    We don't need Republicans (none / 0) (#75)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 02:04:11 PM EST
    to screw things up. We have enough Democrats willing to do that.

    Lost cause, Sen. Tim Kaiser, promoting giving Trump a slap on the wrist for his actions to promote an insurrection.

    Sens. Tim Kaine and Susan Collins are privately pitching their colleagues on a bipartisan resolution censuring former President Trump.

    A censure, in (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 02:33:07 PM EST
    face of an unlikely senate conviction of articles of impeachment regarding the shakedown of the Ukrainian President may, arguably, have been a pragmatic sanction.

    However, this second round of impeachment, involving incitement to sack the Capitol so as  to disrupt the Constitutional responsibility of the senate to tally the electoral college votes, overturn votes, and cause chaos and mayhem has requires conviction, a barring from public office, and elimination of post-presidential perks.

    If conviction for this incitement and its consequences do not merit the full impeachment sanction, what does?  And, the storming of the Capitol itself is but a part of a story that needs to be presented to the American people.  


    This (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 03:06:12 PM EST
    If conviction for this incitement and its consequences do not merit the full impeachment sanction, what does?  And, the storming of the Capitol itself is but a part of a story that needs to be presented to the American people.  

    The trial needs to proceed regardless of the final outcome. Promoting replacing the impeachment trial with a vote to censure is IMO failing to execute the duties of their office.  


    Interesting bit about that Rand Paul vote (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 03:15:48 PM EST
    in The Hill

    "That's why I think it was a little unfortunate that we had this very spontaneous vote on an extraordinarily significant matter without the considered debate and brief and analysis," she said. "People had to make really quick decisions."

    Murkowski voted with only four other Republicans, Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Mitt Romney (Utah), Pat Toomey (Pa.) and Ben Sasse (Neb.), to table the motion declaring the trial unconstitutional.  

    Sixty-seven senators or two-thirds of the Senate present in the chamber must vote for the article of impeachment to convict the former president.

    Murkowski said she and her colleagues were caught "flat-footed" by the procedural vote. She said she was not aware until Tuesday morning that she would be voting on the motion from Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) later in the day.

    "I think just about everybody was quite surprised to be in a position to actually take not only a public position but a vote on this today. And so I think that there were a lot that were perhaps not as prepared as I wanted," she said.

    Murkowski said "the question deserved more considered review by us the Senate



    Well (none / 0) (#86)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 03:29:12 PM EST
    Manchin has said that the charges are too serious for a censure. So I think that likely has died.

    Good for Manchin (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 05:43:17 PM EST
    At times, he chooses the right side of an issue. This is one of those times.

    Navalnys brother now (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 03:41:50 PM EST
    "Moscow police launched a series of raids Wednesday on apartments and offices of jailed Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny's family and associates, arresting his brother," the AP reports.

    "The searched locations included Navalny's apartment, where police detained his brother, Oleg, and a rented apartment where Navalny's wife, Yulia, has been living."

    Very dangerous time for the demonstrators.  Putin will not let himself be Trumped easily.

    Cook Political Report (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 05:20:47 PM EST
    Cook Political Report: "Unreleased survey research--both quantitative polls and qualitative focus groups--since the January 6th attack on the Capitol suggests that between 25 and 30 percent of Trump voters now have very mixed feelings about having backed him. They are less likely to believe that the election was stolen, and they were alarmed by the attack in Washington. They care more about the coronavirus pandemic and the direction of the economy."


    I don't think DHS would have released that statement if they were not expecting trouble.

    If there is more trouble before the final impeachment vote I think it could change things.  Depending on the trouble.

    That's not (none / 0) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 05:38:41 PM EST
    nothing. It's a minimum of 18.5 million people if you take 25% of 74 million.

    Not (none / 0) (#94)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 06:27:37 PM EST
    only polls, there is some empirical data
    More than 30,000 voters who had been registered members of the Republican Party have changed their voter registration in the weeks after a mob of pro-Trump supporters attacked the Capitol -- an issue that led the House to impeach the former president for inciting the violence.

    The massive wave of defections is a virtually unprecedented exodus that could spell trouble for a party that is trying to find its way after losing the presidential race and the Senate majority.

    It could also represent the tip of a much larger iceberg: The 30,000 who have left the Republican Party reside in just a few states that report voter registration data, and information about voters switching between parties, on a weekly basis.

    About the same percentage of Republicans ... (none / 0) (#109)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jan 28, 2021 at 04:16:07 AM EST
    ... ultimately broke ranks with President Richard Nixon and his allies 47 years ago over the Watergate scandal, and that ultimately proved fatal to his political survival.

    While that's certainly not an insignificant number, I still have to remind people that unlike what Brian Williams occasionally reminds us (mistakenly), no, the Republicans were not the real heroes of Watergate. At least 70 percent of them remained loyal to Nixon to the bitter end. (See "Stone, Roger.")

    Those who turned on Nixon were basically decent folks who had ethics. They were not political firebreathers who believed the ends justify the means. They put country before party and considered the evidence. Once Nixon was out of the picture, they generally returned to the GOP fold.

    The current problem for moderate Republicans such as Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski and Ben Sasse is that Donald Trump is quite obviously not out of the picture, and there are no rock-ribbed GOPers in the mold of the late Barry Goldwater, who are willing to bluntly level with Trump and tell him he has to go. Rather, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy is making the obligatory pilgrimage to Mar-a-Lago today to kiss His Orangeness' ring.



    If Nixon had been lucky enough (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 28, 2021 at 08:21:33 AM EST
    to have the Oathkeepers and the Proud Boys do you think it would have happened that way?  I don't.

    The problem is not currently elected republicans.  Their fear to say the truth is a symptom of the larger problem.  The grass roots want fascism. Full stop.  Don't tell me they are doing what they are doing because they, poor things, have been "lied to".  I call bullshi+.  If that segment even exists the percentage is single digits.

    They know the truth.  The refuse to hear it.  I have some personal experience with this.  They have "their" truth.  They are not interested in yours,  they have the taking points they have been provided memorized.  They have never been deceived.  Trump spoke to them in ways they understood.  They want more of that.

    This is a problem with Republican voters.  THAT is the reason no Republican will say the election was not stolen.  Their voters won't hear it. Even if they said it they would not hear it.  They would just be finished politically.  They have been shown their fascistic inclinations can be elevated to the highest levels of government and that is what they want.

    We were saying before Nov it would take more than one election loss for republicans to understand.  It definitely will.
    Sadly the grassroots also understand this so now the work in underway to remove all the republicans who stood in their way so that next time it will work.

    I have never been more pessimistic about our future.

    We are now living in a country with an armed antigovernment contingent.  Just like all those other countries with antigovernment violence.  The world will never, at least in most of our lifetimes, trust us again.  Why the hell would they.

    We are F'ed.

    It will take years, decades, to come back.  If we ever do.


    There is a percentage (none / 0) (#111)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 28, 2021 at 08:46:42 AM EST
    of the Republican politicians who are just fine with overthrowing democracy to stay in power or to get more power. There may be some that fear their voters but there are many who are behind this effort 100%.

    IMO it is an explosive combination of politicians and voters that are the main and growing threat.


    Certainly there are (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 28, 2021 at 08:51:24 AM EST
    Rep Green.  I think many more are spineless windsocks who literally only care about keeping their power.

    And yes it is a terrible combination.


    And not just her (none / 0) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 28, 2021 at 08:53:32 AM EST
    or we would not be seeing the effort to purge Liz Cheney as Rep Green is given plumb committee positions.

    Kevin McCarthy, (none / 0) (#107)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 27, 2021 at 09:42:40 PM EST
    House minority leader, is off to Mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring of the boss.   It is becoming glaringly apparent that the Republican Party is a fascist political movement--fanatical right wing politics, complete with implausible conspiracies, scapegoats, and white nationalism, along with abetting thuggery, intimidation and violence to achieve their anti-democratic, authoritarian goals.  Taylor Green is more Republican mainstream than Kinzinger, and Liz Cheney in the House and Romney in the Senate.