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Ryan Routh: Caught by a License Plate Reader

This is suspect Ryan Routh, who was arrested yesterday after allegedly planning to kill Donald Trump at his International Golf Course in Palm Beach. The photo is taken from Routh's Linked In account.

Routh didn't shoot anything. He fled when police arrived. When the Secret Service opened fire on him and missed, he ran out of the bushes and into a Black Nissan, leaving his "AR 15 style" rifle in the bushes along with his Go-Pro camera. A bystander just happened to be in the area and took a photo of his car driving off that showed his license plate number. The cops called into their real-time crime center which used a license plate reader to capture his license plate as it on Interstate 95. Routh was stopped and taken into custody.

From the news conference at 5:10 pm (MT): The FBI in Miami is the lead investigating agency. The state prosecutor is preparing an arrest warrant and will ask he be detained without bond. Then the state will decide whether to charge him and with what crime. And it could be that they turn the whole thing over to the feds. [More...]

According to Routh's Linked In page, he owns a company in Hawaii (on Oahu) called Camp Box. He describes it:

Build simple economical structures to help address the highest homelessness rate in the United States due to unparalleled gentrification. The extremely high cost of land, building materials, labor and ridiculous government regulation makes affordable housing extremely challenging in this environment. We try to build units that fall below permitting requirements with the simplest of construction techniques to make units fast and affordable.

About himself, he writes on Linked in:

Constantly focused on contributing as much as possible to the community, always trying to put in far more than I take out. Work has never been about money rather building frameworks for people to thrive and succeed. Being mechanically minded I enjoy ideas and invention and creative projects with artistic flare. I enjoy building and collaborative projects that allow an unlimited range of ideas and options so see what our minds can create and push the limits of our thoughts. I love the unlimited opportunity right in front of us.

Having passed along any meager remnants of myself in North Carolina and relocated to Oahu, I currently build very simple housing structures for the less fortunate and pursue a wide range of other creative projects towards developing unique products and devices as well as community improvement projects. (My emphasis).

He's really into change.

I am constantly looking for collaborative opportunities which yield the most public impact for the improvement of our society. I would tremendously enjoy the invitation to join any monumental worthy cause to bring about real change in our world.

I am certainly free to relocate to any remote location on the planet that might render the most positive impact, or right around the corner creating something unique and magical. If you are working on any sort of interesting project I would appreciate an invitation to join your team as an economical, energetic unrelenting partner to help push your hopes, ideas and dreams forward as fast and as far as they can go. I look forward to your ideas and input and curious what amazing things we might create and build together.

He attended a city council meeting in 2017. He writes letters to the editor. From a 2021 letter to the editor complaining about noise level of vehicles:

Too much noise can ruin life in paradise

Kuleana, the aloha spirit, a sense of community, caring for the land and caring for our fellow man all seem to be disregarded when it comes to noise.

I have never been anywhere in the world where the people are so disrespectfully loud.

It is a childish competition to see who can be the loudest, as if everyone craves attention they did not get as a kid: the loudest fireworks, loudest motorcycles and scooters, and the loudest music on the planet.

Was no one required to take sociology in college to learn about the public costs of noise pollution? Perhaps we must make it grade-school material so noisemakers can grasp that they are infringing on others’ lives and happiness.

I would like a maximum decibel level added to vehicle inspections. And the fools who use the cannon-sounding fireworks push us to eliminate all fireworks, even the most beautiful.

Please people, noise is just noise and no one wants it here in paradise.

Ryan Routh Kaaawa

He set up a forum site called "Ryan Routh for Mayor" in 2024. Here's one of his pressing issues:

City parks and bathrooms
Post by admin » Sun Jul 07, 2024 2:09 pm

I am baffled by the stealing of showerhead; who and why do our citizens do this? Or does the city have a ban on shower heads so if I put on a plastic shower head the city removes it? Likewise if I donate a volleyball net to a city park city officials must promptly remove it as illegal. I am befuddled by the retarded notion that a donated improvement is not allowed to stay in place because someone authority was threatened and some proper channel was not satisfied; quite bizarre. Perhaps Oahu stays exactly as it is for fear of stepping on someone’s toes; I hope that most would choose to move forward. I am in favor of showerheads on showers, volleyball nets where designed, rollaway pickle-ball nets, spring-loaded shower and water valves, dry-erase boards for park calendar of re-occurring events, locals hired to maintain parks and whatever it takes to make our parks function better for users. Send me a suggestion and we will make it happen.

His Linked In site has two photos of him with jackets and ties. One is a picture of him in front of Congress. The other (posted above) is him standing in front of "Independence Tower" in a square referred to as Maidan, in Kiev, Ukraine. It implies went there there to support the war effort in the Ukraine. (Those are tiny American flags on his tie). He's too old to be a fighter, so I'm not sure how his trip would increase the number of soldiers fighting for the Ukraine, but apparently that was the purpose of his trip. Also, he may have moved from Hawaii back to North Carolina earlier this year but that's not confirmed.

It will be interesting to see what he is charged with. I think a federal charge could be 18 U.S.C. 879, attempted murder of a former President or candidate for President.

Then again, an armed man posing as a U.S. Marshal at a campaign event for RFK, Jr. in 2023 ended up being charged in CA state court with misdemeanor violations of carrying a loaded firearm, carrying a concealed weapon and impersonating an officer. "The LAPD said the man never brandished the gun or threatened anyone." (Via ABC News, no link due to autoplay video you can't shut off). I'm sure some Florida lawyers will be weighing in on TV as to what the charges would be in Florida state court.

Whatever he might be charged with, he's considered innocent until and unless the charges are proved beyond a reasonable doubt (or he pleads guilty).

About the license plate readers: In Routh's case, according to the press conference linked above, they were used to capture a fleeing suspect. But most of the time, they are used as a warrantless end-run around the Fourth Amendment, because of the lack of standards and regulations setting out their accepted use and how long police can hold on to the reams of data captured on license plates of people who are not suspected of criminal activity. Check out this report from the ACLU, You Are Being Tracked:

Automatic license plate readers have the potential to create permanent records of virtually everywhere any of us has driven, radically transforming the consequences of leaving home to pursue private life, and opening up many opportunities for abuse. The tracking of people’s location constitutes a significant invasion of privacy, which can reveal many things about their lives, such as what friends, doctors, protests, political events, or churches a person may visit.

In our society, it is a core principle that the government does not invade people’s privacy and collect information about citizens’ innocent activities just in case they do something wrong. Clear regulations must be put in place to keep the government from tracking our movements on a massive scale.

There needs to be more transparency. The public has a right to know how much state and local police departments are spending on these services, from the cost of cameras, to installation and software fees to training and monitoring fees. Some cops have license plate readers in their vehicle that hook them right up.

If you are pulled over for a speeding violation, the cops should not be able to simultaneosly run a license plate reader check on your car to see where else it's been over an extended period of time so they can claim they have reasonable suspicion to convert the traffic stop into an criminal inquiry, bring out their dog or ask you for permission to search your car. Most drivers, especially those from countries that don't provide the constitutional restraints that we have in the U.S., don't know they can refuse a police request to search. It should be mandatory that police not only return the driver's license, registration and insurance the end of the traffic stop (with any written warning or ticket) but also tell them they are free to go, before converting the traffic stop into a criminal investigation. That moment when the character of the stop changes from a traffic stop to a criminal inquiry is called the "Rodriguez moment", after the 2015 Supreme Court decision in Rodriguez v. United States, available here. A federal district court judge in Colorado (opinion here) relied on Rodriguez and its progeny to suppress methamphetamine found during the search of a vehicle where the cop extended the time needed for the traffic stop by contacting EPIC (El Paso Intelligence Center in San Antonio) to check whether license plate readers turned up an inconsistency in the travel history the driver told the cop.(P.S. the 5th Amendment privilege against self-incrimination is there for a reason. Any criminal defense lawyer will tell you that you don't need to answer questions about your travel route or plans or anything else. Just hand over your documents and zip it. When you get them back, ask if you are free to leave. If the answer is yes, just skedaddle. Don't take the bait when they start to walk away and then turn back to ask you some more questions. Our jails are filled with people who thought if they could just tell their side of the story, the police would see it their way. It rarely happens.

I'm glad no one was killed yesterday. There's a big difference between protesting against a government's policies and taking the law into your own hands by planning, attempting or committing a violent act.

There's also a legal way to prevent Donald Trump from his increasingly unhinged promises to turn this country backwards and reinstate or double down on policies that violate our constitutional rights. It's called voting.

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    I very tired (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 09:45:04 AM EST
    Of hearing republican mouthpieces bemoaning how we simply MUST stop seeing political rivals as if they are and existential threat to your existence.

    Possibly good advice once we get past this election and a new republican party is created that is NOT an existential threat to our existence

    Until then Trump and Vance are existential threats.  That doesn't mean they should be killed.
    It also means they can not be seen as anything but what they are.

    Sorry.  Not sorry.


    We (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 18, 2024 at 08:00:17 PM EST
    Just found out their legislation killed a woman here in Georgia. Spare me their whining.

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    He seems to be what is classically termed (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 12:04:30 PM EST
    A Bullsh*t Artist

    I see the Feds have charged him with firearms violations. I suppose unless he confesses he was bent on assassination there's no way to prove that unless he left notes, which given the Florida Man IQ is entirely possible.

    Imagining this whole scene...the armed man in the bushes, SS shooting and missing, he flees in a car....does anyone else watch Slow Horses? I am imagining Gary Oldman appearing on the scene just weary and disgusted with everyone.

    It is NOT an assassination (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 03:13:11 PM EST
    attempt if he never fired a shot. Period. Stop calling it an "attempt." It was a guy in the vicinity of Orange Moron with an assault weapon. Nothing more.

    You are correct that ordinarily (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Peter G on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 03:46:45 PM EST
    "mere preparation" will not support a criminal conviction for "attempting" to commit a crime. The defendant has to have taken a "substantial step" toward completion. But it does not have to be the "last step."  Aiming the gun such that the barrel was visible through the chain-link fence might very well qualify as a "substantial step" even though, for example, installing the Go-Pro camera might not. But there is an exception to the "substantial step" rule if the defendant's conduct toward completion of the crime is interrupted by law enforcement activity rather than of the suspect's own volition. That rule might apply here also. (A little lesson from the first-year law school course on criminal law I used to teach.)

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    So, shorter version (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 03:54:07 PM EST
    as far as Republicans are concerned it's A-OK to openly carry an assault weapon anywhere anytime as long as you don't point it at Trump?

    /s

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    Peter, I wasn't really speaking (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 05:31:31 PM EST
    in legal terms. More of a personal opinion. It is my opinion that this was not an "attempt."

    I also just heard Ari Melber use the term "exchange of gunfire." That is not correct. There was no exchange of gunfire. An exchange means two or more entities are shooting at each other. Only the Secret Service fired. There was no "exchange."


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    The really annoying thing (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 03:23:09 PM EST
    Is they have known about that "spot" forever.
    It's where all the paparazzi photos of Trump on the golf course comes from.
    It's been a famous spot photographers use forever.

    I'm sure nothing has been done because Orange boy likes to have his picture taken.

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    This (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 05:03:53 PM EST

    Golf Outings Have Long Concerned Secret Service
    September 16, 2024 at 5:35 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 44 Comments

    "Soon after Donald Trump became president, authorities tried to warn him about the risks posed by golfing at his own courses because of their proximity to public roads. Secret Service agents came armed with unusual evidence: not suspect profiles or spent bullet casings, but simple photographs taken by news crews of him golfing at his private club in Sterling, Va.," the Washington Post reports.

    "They reasoned that if photographers with long-range lenses could get the president in their sights while he golfed, so too could potential gunmen, according to former U.S. officials involved in the discussions who, like most others interviewed for this story."

    "But Trump insisted that his clubs were safe and that he wanted to keep golfing."



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    Is that where his wife was (none / 0) (#21)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 06:40:27 PM EST
    buried or did they finally agree on the spot under the concession stand?

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    Ivana Trump is buried ... (none / 0) (#41)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 20, 2024 at 10:33:38 AM EST
    ... in "the family plot", a cordoned-off area near the first tee at Trump National Golf Course in Bedminster, New Jersey.

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    All the talk now (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 07:25:03 PM EST
    is more funding for the Secret Service.  Which is probably not the worst idea considering our political discourse.

    But I have an idea.  Instead of spending millions more to secure a park in the middle of a city how about if Trump plays golf in a place that can be secured.  

    He won't play other courses (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 18, 2024 at 08:07:57 PM EST
    Because he can't cheat and win.

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    I don't know if it's true (none / 0) (#37)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 18, 2024 at 09:08:37 PM EST
    but I heard that more people get struck by lightening on Florida golf courses than anywhere else. They also get alligators in those ponds fairly frequently.

    Just more stuff for the SS to watch out for. Or not.

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    I have an aunt and uncle in Naples, FL. (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 20, 2024 at 10:44:15 AM EST
    There's a gigantic alligator that resides at the nearby Valencia Country Club which local officials estimate to be 13-14 feet in length. She's known affectionately to staff and members as "Big Momma" and it's not uncommon to see her strolling across the golf course from one water hazard to another.

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    My hsuband (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 12:26:25 PM EST
    plays golf. I do know that alligators are an issue but I don't know about Florida and hit by lightening BUT there are probably the highest number of golf players in Florida so it's likely right.

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    Some place secure that's (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 08:41:36 PM EST
    also scenic and heavily forested around the perimeter with numerous high vantage points in every direction so the SS can see the golf course.

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    OT... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 17, 2024 at 02:10:57 PM EST
    Pagers being carried by Hezbollah operatives exploded simultaneously today in Lebanon. Reportedly more than 2,700 are injured and eight dead. Hospitals filled with the injured.

    So my question is...  who the h .. uses pagers anymore?

    Individuals and groups choose pagers for (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Peter G on Tue Sep 17, 2024 at 02:18:49 PM EST
    communication because they are lo-tech and thus harder to track, trace or tap. But apparently not too lo-tech for Israel to hack or otherwise sabotage.

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    Enlightening article (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Peter G on Tue Sep 17, 2024 at 03:24:53 PM EST
    on Hezbollah's recent procurement of old-school pagers, to replace cell phones. Supposedly procured from a manufacturer in Taiwan, which as a fellow "outlaw" nation (in some circles) is in fact a close ally of Israel, raising suspicions that the pagers may have been booby-trapped from the git-go.

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    Now their Walkie Talkies (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 18, 2024 at 11:19:05 AM EST
    are exploding,  including one at a funeral for a pager casualty

    DONT USE THE MICROWAVE

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    They need to go back to tin cans... (none / 0) (#33)
    by desertswine on Wed Sep 18, 2024 at 11:23:32 AM EST
    and string.

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    I don't know (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 18, 2024 at 03:16:58 PM EST
    But I might have checked the Walkies after all the pagers exploded.

    That's just me.

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    Sorry folks, (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 06:31:46 PM EST
    but this terrorism.

    Kind of ingenious, but then so was crashing planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. All of it, terrorism.


    People are afraid (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 08:30:18 PM EST
    to turn on anything.  From laptops to baby monitors.

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    As well (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 20, 2024 at 01:52:09 PM EST
    they should be.

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    Scary to think about (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 20, 2024 at 03:45:06 PM EST
    how much planning it took. To find the supply lines.  Bribe people, I guess.  Build the things.  

    I assume the have monitored every text message.

    And boom.

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    Yes. (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 20, 2024 at 05:02:49 PM EST
    if this was a Netflix spy series, I would think the show was a bit over the top--really. Sci-fi.

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    Apart from the obvious damage (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 20, 2024 at 05:15:59 PM EST
    I assume it also tells them, we have been in control of your communication devices.  We know everything about you starting with your home address.

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    I'll be surprised (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 20, 2024 at 05:10:01 PM EST
    if there is not a book and/or movie.

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    I read (none / 0) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 21, 2024 at 10:54:35 AM EST
    that Hezbollah ordered the pagers from Taiwan who likely installed the software to make them exploded. It seems it is rather low tech figuring out an order and high tech on the end of making them exploded.

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    I think (none / 0) (#54)
    by BGinCA on Sat Sep 21, 2024 at 12:22:01 PM EST
    the latest explanation is that an Israeli shell company licensed the brand from the Taiwanese maufacturer and produced the pagers and installed the explosives. per NY Times

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    That is (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 21, 2024 at 04:16:14 PM EST
    why it always seems to take a few days to get the correct information. The first news is likely missing some facts.

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    CBS (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 22, 2024 at 10:40:49 AM EST
    Nice that they put (none / 0) (#60)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 22, 2024 at 02:23:00 PM EST
    her name out there.

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    You almost have to admire the hubris (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 20, 2024 at 03:41:46 PM EST
    it takes to use a conference on antisemitism to repeat the oldest antisemitic trope ever.
    Blame the Jews

    Trump Says Jewish Voters Would Have `Lot to Do With a Loss'

    Is winning even the plan anymore?

    Takes some deep thinking (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Peter G on Fri Sep 20, 2024 at 04:20:51 PM EST
    "Jews should vote for me because I am more closely aligned with Netanyahu than are the Democrats. If not enough people vote for me, I will lose the election. If I lose the election, it will be the fault of the people who didn't vote for me." Actually, the last two sentences are mostly correct. Except instead of "fault" I would say "credit." The first sentence is doubly fallacious. First, Tr*mp assumes the antisemitic trope of dual loyalty (that American Jews are more committed to the welfare of Israel than they are to the best interests of the United States). And second, that Netanyahu's policies are good for Israel.

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    Unfortunately (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 20, 2024 at 04:48:51 PM EST
    it doesn't need to make sense to put a target on Jews if Trump tells his flying monkeys it's their fault.

    With anyone else this would be a throw away line.

     But bad things happen to people Trump says cost him the election before and this will be worse cause he's not running to be president.  He's running to stay out of prison.
    Like Beebee.

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    So once the Jews give (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 20, 2024 at 06:58:53 PM EST
    the go-ahead, Trump gets elected. That simple.

    Puts me in mind of that notorious 1888 grafitto: The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for noffing.

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    Jews constitute 2.4% of the U.S. population. (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 22, 2024 at 01:05:47 PM EST
    Transgendered folks are but 0.4% of us. 5.5% of us identify as LGBTQ. 11.2% are Mexican descent, and 14.6% are Black.

    Somehow, if we listen to the nonsense emanating from Donald Trump, his campaign and the GOP, each of these demographics just by themselves constitute a mortal peril to the White, God-fearing people of Rock Ridge.

    The road to Hell is paved with MAGA Republicans.

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    Exactly. Let's assume that Jewish Americans, (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Peter G on Sun Sep 22, 2024 at 04:19:36 PM EST
    at 2.4% of the population (combining Jews of all different political orientations, with many different opinions about what U.S. policy toward Israel and the Middle East should be), have more than 2.4% of the political power and influence (due perhaps to higher than average levels of educational attainment, economic success, and political engagement), maybe even double or triple their numbers. That's still under 10%. When Tr*mp loses, why won't it be the "fault" (i.e., to the credit) of the 80% of Black voters who favor Harris, and/or the 65% of women voters?

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    It's definitely an antisemitic (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 23, 2024 at 12:16:37 AM EST
    trope whether Trump is aware of it or not.

    It's the kind of result you get when you surround a grandiose person with enabling sycophants 24/7.

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    Off-topic, but I hope KeysDan is okay. (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 27, 2024 at 12:13:52 PM EST
    The outer bands of Hurricane Helene managed to take a pretty nasty swipe at southern Florida yesterday, with a lot of storm surge, rain and flooding. The video of Key West reminded me of what happened here in 2018 when Hurricane Lane dumped over three feet of rain here on Hilo and the east side of Hawaii Island. That was a real mess.

    Thank you, (5.00 / 4) (#65)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 27, 2024 at 01:23:26 PM EST
    Key West ,fortunately, was not in the eye of the storm, but did encounter  choppy waters and wind.  TV shots did show the big waves crashing against the  iconic Southernmost  buoy.  We haven't heard from Fishcamp who is in Islamorada, in the middle  Keys , but I believe  all of the Keys are OK.

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    Vance got (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 09:38:25 PM EST
    worse as the debate progressed; Wals got better. For Vance,  what, at first,  seemed to be polish,   was soon revealed to be oleaginous. For Walz, what,, at first,  was nervousness,  evolved into confidence.  The slickness of Vance, at first, served him well in  this debate format, whereas, the folksiness  of Wals  required some adjustment to the format.  

    I think Walz killed it (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 09:48:02 PM EST
    Vance just seemed like a slimy toady.

    It's was stunning he would not admit Ttump lost.

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    L'Shana Tovah (5.00 / 4) (#76)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 02, 2024 at 04:43:17 PM EST
    A sweet (and one can only pray) a more peaceful and democratic (Jewish) new year to all.

    Just watched Liz Cheney (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 03, 2024 at 05:50:20 PM EST
    give a helluva good campaign speech for Kamala.

    That (none / 0) (#78)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 03, 2024 at 06:49:14 PM EST
    was impressive.

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    "So what" (none / 0) (#79)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 03, 2024 at 08:48:31 PM EST
    The review of the series of crimes Trump committed to stay in office despite having lost was effective.   The "so what" response of Trump after hearing from an aide that the J6 insurrectionists may kill Pence was a show stopper---the crowd wasn't sure Liz was being serious.   She repeated it.
     Note: the "so what"was in Jack Smith's filing.


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    do you have a link for that? (none / 0) (#80)
    by leap2 on Thu Oct 03, 2024 at 10:04:11 PM EST
    n/t

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    You (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 04, 2024 at 08:10:07 AM EST
    What Does This Mean? (none / 0) (#1)
    by RickyJim on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 08:19:19 AM EST
    We try to build units that fall below permitting requirements with the simplest of construction techniques to make units fast and affordable.
    Is he confessing to building units that don't meet legal requirements?

    Ricky I was wondering the same (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 07:04:41 PM EST
    thing but I think he builds sheds for houses which have lower standards.

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    What was the conviction he had that (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 12:35:02 PM EST
    made him owning a firearm illegal? I have not seen the details of that. Maybe fraud related?

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    NPR this morning said his prior conviction (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Peter G on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 12:46:35 PM EST
    was for possession of an unregistered machinegun. (True machineguns, by the way, cannot lawfully be registered or possessed.)

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    No machine guns allowed? (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 07:09:00 PM EST
    They're 'arms' are they not? Yes, they are.

    I guess the 'no machine guns' clause is to keep the mass shooting casualties down to manageable numbers.

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    A Tr*mp-appointed judge in Kansas (none / 0) (#28)
    by Peter G on Tue Sep 17, 2024 at 02:16:25 PM EST
    did rule recently that the federal ban on machineguns is unconstitutional, but I don't believe that ruling will stand up on appeal.

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    He was also involved (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 02:37:30 PM EST
    In some kind of standoff with law enforcement

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    I prefer (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 09:37:59 AM EST
    oh yeah (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 12:05:53 PM EST
    That has the late stage Jason Robards vibe

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    I (none / 0) (#8)
    by FlJoe on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 01:05:30 PM EST
    am getting serious surfer-dude vibes.

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    Honestly (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 02:53:25 PM EST
    The blue hair is not saying surfer or Jason Robards to me.

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    Looks like one the crew (none / 0) (#20)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 06:34:16 PM EST
    of Aguirre the Wrath of God after a month in the jungle with Klaus Kinski.

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    Heh! My initial thought was ... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 20, 2024 at 10:48:34 AM EST
    ... "OMG! It's Gary Busey!"

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    I don't know.. (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by desertswine on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 04:45:46 PM EST
    He looks nice.

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    that's a goodie and he (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 07:05:55 PM EST
    Keeps aging in each round we see. I'd like to see a photo of him standing with Jeffrey Epstein -- separated at birth.

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    This one is (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 03:07:59 PM EST
    Rich Lowery of the National Review (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 03:12:50 PM EST
    Came so close to using the N word live on air I bet his professional life

    flashed before his eyes

    If it's ever going to happen (none / 0) (#31)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 17, 2024 at 04:03:22 PM EST
    Megyn's show is a likely venue.

    BTW, a WHITE homeless guy told me once that the way to get geese is to give them bread balls soaked in vodka. Don't get any ideas.

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    If you listen to that (none / 0) (#56)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 21, 2024 at 10:40:08 PM EST
    slowed down, he didn't come close, he said it.

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    Oh man, he did (none / 0) (#57)
    by leap2 on Sat Sep 21, 2024 at 11:15:55 PM EST
    say that. I slowed it down to 0.5x speed. Clear as day.

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    Yeah, he's claiming the N (none / 0) (#61)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 22, 2024 at 03:00:16 PM EST
    was an M and that he was trying to say "migrants".

    He's fos. It's a very clear N, with no long I, and no T anywhere in there.

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    I think the biggest problem JD might have (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 05:23:48 PM EST
    tonight could be the 2 female moderators.

    Will he be able to mask his contempt for them?

    I hope one of them asks JD about calling Gov Walz "Tampon Tim" for making sanitary napkins available in school bathrooms.

    That is just a singularly pathetic and F'ed up thing.

    (Might as well use this thread? Not much more to say about Ryan)

    Hope Tim Walz (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 06:51:10 PM EST
    brings up Trump's last  vice President, Pence.   Does Vance worry that he may face the same fate?  (As Walz rubs his neck)

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    He could ask him about this (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 06:59:54 PM EST
    Today

    Trump: "I will shut down all entries through Kamala's migrant phone app. She's got a phone app. It's meant for the cartel heads. The cartel heads call the app, and they tell them where to drop the illegal migrants... It's not even believable."



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    Yes, (none / 0) (#72)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 07:28:45 PM EST
    make Vance defend (make excuses for) all of Trump's insanity.

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    He should (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 06:56:44 PM EST
    definitely be mentioned

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    Tim has got this (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 08:59:11 PM EST
    it was not the Commanding officer or the coach that showed up.  It was the popular and effective governor.

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    I don't know if I'm gonna watch... (none / 0) (#67)
    by desertswine on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 06:23:22 PM EST
    I just get way stressed out.

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    It almost seems (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 06:55:58 PM EST
    there has been a coordinated campaign to lower expectations for Gov Walz and raise them for Goober.

    I think it's not going to go that way.  Walz was a high school teacher.

    But he was also a Commanding Officer.   And everything JD pretends to be.

    I have high hopes for Tim.

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    Springsteen endorses (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 04, 2024 at 08:15:08 AM EST