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Harris and Trump Debate: The Three P's

What you can expect from Donald Trump tonight: More of what we always get from him: Provocation, Prevarication, Pontification.

He will provoke Kamala Harris with insults and mischaracterizations about her character, her experience and her job performance to distract her and get her to move away from discussing her position on issues. Every minute she spends addressing Trump is a minute she didn't get to spend answering the question and explaining her policy positions and planned agenda as President.

In answering questions, Trump will assert his most outlandish lies to date, about his record, elections, Democrats, Harris, and anything else his diminutive, fizzled-out brain can think of. Even Pinocchio wouldn't be able to keep up with him. Even the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz will know Trump is lying out of desperation, lack of preparedness and egotistical belief he is a better gauge of what will sell to the American public than his advisors. [More...]

Kamala will have to choose between falling into his trap of driving her off-message or figuring out a way to denigrate his remarks with a simple, non-verbal universally understood hand gesture, that in one physical move, conveys that Trump's claims are pathetically baseless and being used to disguise his lack of knowledge on important topics Americans want to hear about, and therefore not worthy of a verbal response that eats into her time. The hand signal I would use is the "five fingered salute" I would turn 90 degrees to face him directly and then give it to him and then flash a big Kamala smile and start my answer:

In England this gesture is called "cocking a snook" but no one knows how it got that name.

Kamala needs to use every minute of her time to present her policy agenda, her experience, her humility, gratefulness and love of the United States, her dedication to children and access to health care, and improving life for the middle class without fleecing the rich, and explaining with specificity rather than generalities how Trump's Administration failed when it comes to the economy, political policy, nepotism and accountability.

After prevarications, Trump will move to pontificating about his accomplishments when he had a desk in the oval office, most of which will be lies, delivered in his best P.T. Barnum voice ("there's a sucker born every minute") that much to his consternation will be reduced in the media's opinion pages tomorrow as Trump once again showing the world he is the Emporer with No Clothes.

More on Trump: You will see him tonight once again fail to answer the question asked and instead provide a planned or impromptu answer to a question that isn't even related to the question asked. His brain is so slow, that three questions later, he will decide to answer that first ignored question, as if the time slot to do so was still open.

Also keep in mind: A Trump win in November paves the ways for his talent-less, inexperienced children to pretend they are the stars of a new Dynasty and to use it as their stepping-stone to gain power over the next generation of Americans. The Trump clan, which multiplies like rabbits, will claim to bigger and better than the Kennedys. Trump's sons and daughters, daughters-in-law, and at least one son-in-law, are all waiting in the winds.

Jared's investment firm gets billions of dollars from Saudi Arabia that he uses to buy land and develop as luxury tourist properties in Serbia and Albania -- he even recently bought the largest car rental company in South Korea. Even The Trump family hangers-on want in on the power. It was just during the last few years that former Duke University golf team member Andrew Guiliani put in his name to run for Mayor of New York. His qualifications: Trump briefly gave him a job as his personal golf caddy.

As for Donald and Eric and Tiffany, they are no different than other nepo-babies, except perhaps with more emotional scars. Don't be fooled by the great cosmetic dentistry they have had. It just makes their smiles as fake as the rest of them.

I cannot stress this enough. It is not just the under-informed, rural, disaffected and marginalized discontents in this country who support Trump. It is also the billionaires and millionaires who care much more about preserving their wealth (and lifestyle) for themselves and their nepo-babies than they do about any other issue. They know Trump is unable to focus on any singular topic besides golf for more than 5 minutes; is easily manipulated by anyone with more money or power than he has; and doesn't know his a*s from his elbow, but they don't care, so long as he keeps their taxes down.

We get the government we elect. If we snooze and don't vote, we all lose. There is only one sane, rational choice for America this November. And she's not even asking to come to your house for dinner (As Oprah said about Hillary). You just have to vote for her.)

If you don't think Kamala's agenda matches your own, for example on criminal justice issues or Israel, then remember this: Supreme Court justices, federal appeals and district court judgeships and the head of ICE and Homeland Security are also picked by the President. That alone is a reason to dump Trump.

Comments inspired by or related to the debate and policy positions are welcome.

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    How. about (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by KeysDan on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:12:43 PM EST
    those trans operations we are conducting  on  illegal aliens, according to Trump.

    No matter the subject of the question, (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:37:42 PM EST
    every time he pivoted to the MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS pouring across our border.


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    Are (none / 0) (#12)
    by FlJoe on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:46:48 PM EST
    these the same aliens that are eating cats?

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    That was ALF. (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 11:39:00 AM EST
    Amazing how he knows (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 10:32:37 PM EST
    the crime rate stats of all those other countries.

    The Republican rule of thumb: just throw that BS out there before they can check it in real time.

    Again, ABC should've been on top of that.

    Also, Tump ended up being allowed 9 more minutes than Harris. Don't they keep track of that in real time?

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    In prison (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 12:36:58 PM EST
    Right

    Trans operations on illegal aliens in prison

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    Well, yes, if you are incarcerated by (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 01:51:08 PM EST
    the United States government, whether serving a sentence for committing a federal crime or in immigration detention awaiting proceedings or deportation, you are entitled to all necessary and appropriate medical care, regardless of citizenship or immigration status. So in that sense, the "accusation" is true.

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    The ABC (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 10:33:11 PM EST
    Moderators did a pretty good job.  They did seem to give Trump more time than allotted, but, hey, since he was digging his our grave, no need to take the shovel away.

    They did (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 07:21:15 AM EST

    "Donald Trump called for ABC News to be shut down during a rant about the way he was treated by the network during his presidential debate against Kamala Harris," the Daily Beast reports.



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    Trump got mad at the FOX guys (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 10:39:44 AM EST
    for saying he did a faceplant so now he says the next debate MUST be moderated by either Hannity, Ingram or Jessy Waters.

    No one else would be acceptable.

    He actually said that.  On FOX this morning.

    I don't think he wants another debate.  The Harris campaign asked for one last night.

    Like, I bet they did.

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    Phillip Bump of the Washington Post (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 11:22:26 AM EST
    Just said on MSNBC that, "Trump suggested this morning on FOX he would be open to another debate"

    What he actually said is in the previous comment.

    But for P Bump of WaPo saying you will have not debate if Ingrham, Hannity or Waters is the not moderators means you are "open to debate"

    This is your media.

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    I watch the entire thing (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 10:14:54 AM EST
    Which is a first for me.  I don't remember ever watching a debate from beginning to end

    Buts that's because it was amazing and actually entertaining.

    She was so artful saying what she needed to say and dropping a bait hook at the end which he snapped at every time sending him down some insane rabbit hole.

    How much time did he spend on inflation?
    When he was asked about immigration that's when he talked about eating pets.

    He couldn't even look at her.

    This is absolutely going to effect the poll numbers.

    Oh (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 10:18:57 AM EST
    And the hand shake

    That was brilliant,  he clearly didn't expect it.  He a germopnobe.  She had to practically corner him.

    It threw him off and he never recovered

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    I heard something (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 01:50:39 PM EST
    yes, (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by leap2 on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:12:31 PM EST
    Watch for (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:15:20 PM EST
    Off topic (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 07:58:08 AM EST
    This is a good sign (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 03:09:12 PM EST

    However, Politico reports that a bipartisan group of House lawmakers have banded together to jointly pledge to certify the results of the 2024 presidential election, and the group so far includes six House Republicans.

    This means that, should these six Republicans keep their pledge to certify a win for Vice President Kamala Harris, Trump's allies would be unable to block the certification of the election given the current numbers in the House of Representatives.

    Six House Republicans throw a wrench in Trump plan to block a Harris win



    This (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 06:08:26 PM EST
    What happened today was an escalation

    Trump Escalates Rhetoric About Haitian Immigrants
    September 13, 2024 at 4:51 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 529 Comments

    Donald Trump used increasingly harsh rhetoric Friday in describing Haitian migrants in Ohio, saying they're "destroying their way of life" and threatened mass deportations, Politico reports.

    Said Trump: "Illegal Haitian migrants have descended upon a town of 58,000 people, destroying their way of life."

    New York Times: "Trump repeated his promise to conduct the largest deportation operation in American history, but said he would start in Springfield, Ohio, and Aurora, Colo., two cities at the center of baseless and misleading claims he has made about migrants taking over buildings and bringing crime and disease to towns."



    I'm surprised he didn't (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 10:42:00 PM EST
    bring up voodoo.

    I'm really reaching my limit with that expletive deleted expletive deleted sack of dog crap.

    His followers are just dumb and impulsive enough to be triggered to act out violently, which we've already seen. Hopefully things don't get uglier.

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    Russel Moore (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 14, 2024 at 11:32:16 AM EST

    "The accusation that Haitian immigrants in a small Ohio city are abducting and eating their neighbors' cats and dogs relies not on one falsehood but on a web of them. The rhetoric evokes racist tropes about `savages' who do not conform to our civilized Western world. There's also a religious angle: the idea that Haitian refugees are voodoo occultists who might be worshipping the devil."

    "As an evangelical Christian who actually believes in the existence of Satan, I agree that we can indeed see the work of the devil at play here, only it's not on the menu of the Haitian families but rather in the cruelty of those willing to lie about them."



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    Yeah, thankfully (none / 0) (#92)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 14, 2024 at 01:14:41 PM EST
    they're not all complete idiots.

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    Knights of Malta, (none / 0) (#95)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 14, 2024 at 06:02:31 PM EST
    Opus Dei.

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    This is typical (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 14, 2024 at 06:01:02 PM EST
    and historic anti-immigrant.   The differences of other.  "Those People" are odd in foods they eat (Italians cook with garlic),  the entertainment they enjoy (polkas),  criminal behavior (Irish have a  police van named after them--Paddy Wagon), their  religion (papists/hocus pocus, from Latin --hoc est corpus  meum --this is my body, a Catholic  Eucharism  prayer). They are not like us so they deserve to be discriminated against. Except  this 2024

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    Or if you're a Trumper (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 14, 2024 at 07:36:11 PM EST
    2024 BC.

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    My dad grew up (5.00 / 3) (#123)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 06:57:45 PM EST
    In a small Midwestern town. He said that the non-Italians accused the Italians of killing and eating cats.
    I had a teacher in high school who called me a "dirty Greek."
    I would have thought we would have gotten beyond this type of thing by now.
    Sadly, I was wrong.

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    Too true. (none / 0) (#126)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 23, 2024 at 04:07:59 PM EST
    But at least for now, "They're eating the dogs! They're eating the cats!" has become the sort of political punchline that holds rich potential to be fatal to the political ambitions of the guy who uttered it, particularly since he and his running mate have since doubled down on stupid and compounded the damage.

    I was attending a debate watch party on the ground floor of my office building here in Hilo and when Trump said that, there was a spontaneous and audible collective gasp from the large audience which had gathered, followed immediately by lots of loud groans, guffaws and laughter - and at least one "What an a$$hole!"

    I seriously doubt we were the only ones in the country who reacted that way. I believe Trump did himself no favors that night, and the polling is starting to bear that out.

    Aloha.

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    Hard to know (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 06:17:28 PM EST
    If this is a strategy for winning or just to do as much damage as possible.

    It's s bad strategy for winning.

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    Trump (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 14, 2024 at 10:51:35 AM EST
     seems almost cavalier toward his campaign, larking around with Laura Loomer and taking the worst advice available.  But, I fear he is putting his efforts into post-election day chicanery to pull it out for him.  We know he won't go easily.

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    That possibly his plan (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 14, 2024 at 11:24:18 AM EST
    Even the plan of his campaign.

    It won't work.

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    My Beautiful Debate (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 03:00:54 PM EST
    Trump still explaining away his debate performance on Fox, said he had the "best debate", but the moderators treated him unfairly---fact-checked him too much--9 or 11 times!   He didn't challenge them because "he wanted to be elegant".  Besides , Moderator David Muir `s  `hair looked  better 5 years ago."

    He  took comfort in that his beautiful performance did not go unnoticed  since  "the audience went absolutely -- crazy".  

    Fact-check  number 10 or 12:  there was no audience during the debate.

    Trump's post-debate statements ... (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 23, 2024 at 04:21:19 PM EST
    ... appear to be inspired by Joey Bishop's cameo as a two-timing husband in "A Guide for the Married Man" (Gene Kelly, dir., 1967), in the hope that voters will react like Charlie's wife.

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    At a campaign event Thursday (5.00 / 3) (#125)
    by BGinCA on Fri Sep 20, 2024 at 12:13:44 PM EST
    the Orange One said
    "...if I don't win this election," then "the Jewish people would have a lot to do with a loss."

    Now that something I would be proud of.

    Crazy, delusional, a-hole... (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 24, 2024 at 03:18:08 PM EST
    "I make this statement to the great women of our country. Sadly, women are poorer than they were four years ago, are less healthy than they were four years ago, are less safe on the streets than they were four years ago, are paying much higher prices for groceries and everything else than they were four years ago," Trump said.

    "I will fix all of that, and fast, and at long last this nation, and national nightmare, will end. It will end," Trump said. "Because I am your protector. I want to be your protector. As president, I have to be your protector. I hope you don't make too much of it. I hope the fake news doesn't go, `Oh he wants to be their protector.' Well, I am. As president, I have to be your protector."

    And yet there's people standing there listening to this crazy crap.

    Crazy, delusional, a-hole... (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by jmacWA on Tue Sep 24, 2024 at 03:30:56 PM EST
    Same can be said about those who listen, and yes even believe the crazy crap Trump spouts.

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    Can we discuss Kamala's "look" (5.00 / 5) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 26, 2024 at 03:43:43 PM EST
    Without triggering anyone?

    I really think the way she dresses is helping people see her as a president.  As silly as that sounds.  She wears those very masculine looking jackets.  Which are basically exactly like the ones men wear but made for her.

    I was thinking could Hillary have gotten away with dressing like that?  I don't think so.  I mean, she wore pants but I think they would have accused her of cross dressing if she showed up in a "mans" jacket.

    I never thought much of Hillary's wardrobe.  Watching some old videos you kind of think of Doloroso Umbridge from Harry Potter.  This is a problem with many good female pols. (IMO)

    And physically, she is really beautiful.  Even pushing 60. Without ever looking like a female FOX news host.  She has this amazing hair that never looks over done or over sprayed.

    Anyway, I see this all as positive. Image is important in politics.
    And Kamala is killing it.

    Concur (5.00 / 2) (#140)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 27, 2024 at 04:49:11 PM EST
    with your observations.  She is presidentially stylish, pantsuits tailored conservatively set off by high, high heals.  Minimal, but tasteful, jewelry.  

    Her  professional attire is essentially the same with color as the variant.  All to the good image.   President Biden is also presidentially well-dressed, finely tailored suits, starched shirt and perfectly knotted tie.

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    Yes he does (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 27, 2024 at 05:12:26 PM EST
    It's such a contrast with Trump and his baggy suits and red clown ties.

    I read once he thinks baggy suits conceals his weight problem.  

    But beyond the sartorial part I think in her case it's making a difference.  Maybe a big difference.

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    Personally, I live when she wears (5.00 / 2) (#145)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Sep 28, 2024 at 09:03:06 PM EST
    her Chucks.

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    Me too (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 29, 2024 at 07:18:18 AM EST
    I love mine and wear them all the time

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    I think (none / 0) (#137)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 27, 2024 at 03:17:10 PM EST
    a lot of the benefits she is now getting is because of the treatment Hillary got in 2016. Too many people just sat there and took the misogyny or when women brought up misogyny they were treated as silly and hysterical. Now after the shock of 2016 no one is tolerating it. And I think if Hillary was 10 years younger in 2016 some of the things may not have been an issue. But yeah, I agree on the fashion. It just was never Hillary's thing. Kamala seems more interested in that type of thing.

    The most surprising thing to me is how tiny Kamala is. I have seen her in person in 2019 and was surprised.

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    I (none / 0) (#142)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 27, 2024 at 07:22:57 PM EST
    agree, one hundred percent, Kamala has developed a uniform and she rocks it.

    Not to sound sexist or racist but she definitely is an attractive person, she is blessed with a complexion that that works with any color so she use the entire color palette for then same basic power suit without being boring.

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    I love diamonds. I love gold. (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by desertswine on Thu Sep 26, 2024 at 04:24:26 PM EST
    The Orange Monkey is now selling Victory Watches

    No end to the grift.


    It's been pointed out that (5.00 / 2) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 02:19:13 PM EST
    money to campaigns from foreign governments is illegal
    but if the Saudis wanted to buy a couple hundred 100,000 watches they could easily do it in a totally untraceable way.

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    Hurricane Helene (5.00 / 3) (#132)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 26, 2024 at 08:43:36 PM EST
    is a good time for Democrats to call attention to Project 2025's plan to dismantle NOAA and its components, the National Weather Service and the National Hurricane Center. Plans include such steps as privatizing the weather services and re-organizing and reviewing weather statements so as not to be "biased" toward climate science. Of course, NOAA is critical to management and safety in weather events.

    It's (5.00 / 3) (#133)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 27, 2024 at 05:45:40 AM EST
    a cookbook !!!!

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    LOL. (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Sep 27, 2024 at 04:20:17 PM EST
    One of my favorite TZ episodes.

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    The devastation (5.00 / 4) (#147)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 07:20:31 AM EST
    here in NC is just unreal. It is like an entire part of the state has been wiped out. A friend that lives in Asheville says she lives in a war zone. No telling how many people passed away and it may be months before we get a complete number. At least I-26 is still intact so food etc. can get into the area.

    Posted on FB (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 02:30:12 PM EST

    Okay, since I can rely on having a connection for a few minutes, a couple updates:

    We have running water and fuel for a few days for our generator. We have non-perishable food, probably for a couple weeks.

    Nothing is open. Nothing. We had to come to downtown Asheville for the library WiFi.

    Anything close to a river is destroyed. Most roads have some sort of obstruction, and some are completely impassable.

    Hopefully I can get more updates out soon.



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    And that person (5.00 / 2) (#161)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 10:51:55 AM EST
    is better off than many. Some don't even have water. I mean if you have a well like many outside of the city do it needs electricity to run.

    My husband and I were wondering how many are going to die of dehydration and starvation before all this is over. In a lot of ways this is worse than Katrina because in Katrina the location was contained. There are a lot of people that live remotely in the hills.

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    Even as a believer in climate change, ... (none / 0) (#148)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 11:25:39 AM EST
    ... and someone who saw firsthand what 36-54 inches of rain in a 48-hr. period can do (Hurricane Lane, Aug. 2018), I'm finding it surreal that Asheville, NC - a city firmly nestled in the Appalachian Mountains and hundreds of miles from any coastline - and the surrounding region can be so effectively devastated by a hurricane.

    How did you guys fare locally? Helene must've taken a pretty nasty swipe at you, too, as it barreled north through Georgia.

    Aloha.

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    Well (none / 0) (#162)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 10:56:29 AM EST
    I am in the process of moving to NC. We are staying with my sister until our house is finished. The closing date keeps getting moved out. We closed on our house in GA 9/12 and the movers came that day. Everything is in storage. Since then we have been wandering around NC Airbnbs until landing here.

    Oldest son still lives in Metro Atlanta and he said they were relatively unscathed. The storm was predicted to hit Atlanta hard but apparently moved east. Valdosta got hit hard and so did Augusta. Friends in Augusta are driving an hour to Madison GA to buy groceries. I guess the good news is they are able to get on the road. Augusta is out of gas though.


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    Best of everything (5.00 / 3) (#163)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 01:03:17 PM EST
    for your new house and life in North Carolina.

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    Whereabouts in NC? (none / 0) (#167)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 02, 2024 at 03:30:57 PM EST
    Two of our kids went to college/grad school there, one at Davidson, north of Charlotte, and one at Chapel Hill, near Raleigh/Durham. I had a summer job in Charlotte in 1973!

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    My stepdaughter (none / 0) (#169)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Oct 02, 2024 at 04:21:40 PM EST
    lives in Woodstock, GA. She's they got a little bit of rain, but that was about it.


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    Only one Highwayman left. (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 04:28:02 PM EST
    Kris Kristofferson died this past Saturday at 88. RIP.

    Willie Nelson is the sole remaining member of The Highwaymen. I believe a true sign of the coming apocalypse will be Willie Nelson and Keith Richards dying in the same week.

    Pete Rose also gone... (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by desertswine on Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 10:00:28 PM EST
    His lapses in character have not diminished his brilliance on the playing field.  

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    According to CNN (5.00 / 2) (#156)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 06:15:08 PM EST
    the expectations for Gov Walz tomorrow are very low.

    This has really been a theme/meme in the media. Walz is worried, he's a bad debater.

    Maybe I'm overthinking it but it seems like intentional PR at this point.

    I think he will crush JD tomorrow.

    Go F yourself Francis (2.00 / 1) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 04:03:25 PM EST
    Not a Catholic (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by BGinCA on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 04:34:48 PM EST
    So perhaps someone can explain to me why the Bishop of Rome is weighing in on IS politics. Is there precedent for this?

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    He contains multitudes (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 04:47:32 PM EST
    like Walt Whitman

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    Far worse than MAGA (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 14, 2024 at 11:38:23 AM EST

    My former friend JD Vance has aligned with something far worse than MAGA
    Unlike the MAGA movement, which is led by a candidate who is defiantly amoral, post-liberalism is steeped in a revolutionary religiosity.

    Most Americans haven't heard of the post-liberal right, the small but influential group of conservative, mostly Catholic men who have declared that liberal democracy, the animating principle of America's founding, has failed and want to bring about a new social order where there is no separation of church and state and men and a hyperconservative Catholicism reign supreme. They are disdainful of secularism and individual liberty. Just like Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump illustrated during Tuesday night's debate against Vice President Kamala Harris, these men idolize the authoritarian Viktor Orbán, the prime minister of Hungary.



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    That sounds awfully (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Sep 14, 2024 at 12:24:20 PM EST
    Handmaidenly.

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    Probably (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 05:34:26 PM EST
    the Byzantine  method  for  papal bothsiderism.   The pope was no  doubt  under pressure  from his Cardinal  Raymond Burke  anti-Francis wing  of the Vatican Curia  to make a statement about  the candidacy  of  the  American  Vice President  and the Catholic  position on abortion.  His  equating abortion with  anti-migrant policies  from the Catholic viewpoint ,  he neutered the  issue.

    This being the case, he was able  to advise Catholics to use their own conscience  in their voting decision.  By  the medieval standards of the Vatican , this may be construed as a "progressive stance".  From my perspective, the popes should not speak to  evils, lesser or greater.  with moral authority for at least 100 years.

     

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    It was definitely (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 06:00:46 PM EST
    the lesser of two evils part that triggered me.

    Funny, when I talk about the lesser of two evils one of them is usually the church.

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    Sacrilegious Howdy... (none / 0) (#82)
    by fishcamp on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 07:16:23 PM EST
    I thought it was a line (none / 0) (#83)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 10:30:37 PM EST
    from that movie with the talking mule.

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    iF (none / 0) (#85)
    by FlJoe on Sat Sep 14, 2024 at 05:34:35 AM EST
    I was forced to pick a religion based on that, Catholicism would be on the bottom of the list.

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    This pronouncement (none / 0) (#153)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 03:40:48 PM EST
    without a doubt has a lot to do with Kamala's support among Latinos dropping.

    Grrrrrrr

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    IMHO (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 08:34:54 PM EST
    this election is over.  Trump is done. Stick a fork in him.

    He is self immolating

    In my opinion, there was one and only one (none / 0) (#31)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 01:58:44 PM EST
    question that the debate had to generate an answer to: Would Vice President Harris present herself to viewers who were not especially familiar with her or already committed to her as someone who would make a good (enough) President of the United States. Nothing either of them had to say about issues actually mattered. (Even though, nerd that I am, that's what I care about.) Nothing Tr*mp did last night actually matters (since everyone already knows what he is like and how he talks/acts). Just what impression Harris could make. And on that, I believe she more than succeeded.

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    I think it will matter what he did (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:21:26 PM EST
    I think lots of people hear about his insanity but never see it.  At least not in extended format.

    Last night they saw it.  
    You couldn't look away.  It was like watching a train wreck.

    The spin is for his base.  I guess.  No (truly) undecided voter saw that said that's my guy.

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    The said (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:33:25 PM EST
    I don't really believe in "the undecided voter"

    At this point they either know and don't want to say or they just want attention and might not even vote.

    I wish the media could learn to ignore mass shootings and undecided voters.

    But if there was one they were not impressed with Trump.  IMO

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    I think it was so bad (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 05:17:48 PM EST
    It might actually change some minds.  There was some seriously crazy moments.  

    And her performance was presidential.

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    And more importantly (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 05:42:22 PM EST
    it was funny.

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 07:40:10 PM EST
    I don't mean the whole horrible thing was funny.

    SHE was funny.  It's the last thing he wanted her to be.  It was very effective.

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    The (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 12:57:01 PM EST
    word you want is entertaining.

    Kamala and Democrats in general are learning the first rule of modern politics; Thou shall keep the. masses entertained.

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    No (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 01:12:18 PM EST
    That's not it.  She was not trying to be entertaining,  she used humor to do what no one else has been able to do.

    Hand Trump his Fat ass.

    That it was entertaining was just a bonus.


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    I was hoping she would (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 02:22:21 PM EST
    call him fat ass at some point. 'Frowning mob boss' would've been good too.

    Undignified? The bar is already in the dirt with Trump up there anyway.

    Bringing her family into it was when I personally would have come back with Trump's Klan rally attending father and Jared cutting sleazy deals with the Saudis.

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    If you want no entertainment (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 01:16:20 PM EST
    watch one of the Hillary/Trump debates.

    She addressed the subject with the appropriate seriousness.

    And how did that turn out?

    I watched parts of two of them.  It's fascinating to watch.  Kamala almost certainly learned from watching them.

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    Undecided voters (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Jack E Lope on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 01:44:41 PM EST
    From the few post-debate interviews I have heard, the people identified as "undecided voters" fit these parameters:

    1. The last time they voted for President, they voted for Drumpf. (As my wording implies, some did that in 2016.)

    2. They identified things Harris said that they liked, but wouldn't even say that they might vote for Harris. The good things were usually followed by some vague accusation/complaint, to prove that the good thing was not enough.

    3. They expressed disappointment in Trump, and each named at least one detail that increased their dislike. (No surprise: He lost 'em at "pets".)

    I think they're undecided about whether to vote at all. If they vote, I expect it will be for Drumpf again.

    Coming into this, my own bias is that any "undecided voter" either does not care or is frozen by fear of voting for someone imperfect.

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    Well (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 04:28:11 PM EST
    First, I think the whole undecided voter is a media creation.  It might have started, many years ago, with some actual interest in reporting of some actual things.

    But it has become a media meme.  Every election we have relentless panels of the undecided.  It must be popular as much as they do it.  I don't understand but they do it because there is an audience.

    But also, if a person has lived for two years in an election cycle has has not made up their mind why should anyone give a damn what they think.
    I don't believe anyone is undecided today.
    I don't.


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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 05:13:49 PM EST
    entertainment, basically a reality show. "In Search of the UN-decided".  The fable really never fades but they roll out in force every four years.
     

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    If anyone is still "undecided" (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 04:57:00 PM EST
    on the Orange moron, THEY are morons. Or mentally incompetent.


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    Update: It begins (none / 0) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 08:50:59 PM EST
    It Begins:

    Update: 7:07 pm MT: Kamala pisses Trump off with her first answer. He immediately goes off topic to gangs taking over America (including Aurora, CO -- totally false). Kamala's Response: Donald Trump has no plan for you. He's more interested in defending himself than looking out for you. Trump responds Kamala doesn't have an economic plan, she has Biden's plan, which is like four lines long, or "Run, Spot, Run."

    Trump: "Kamala is a Marxist. Her father was a Marxist college professor". Memo to Kamala: Don't take the bait.

    Next question is abortion. Trump claims Democrats approve of executing babies after birth.

    People leave his rallies early because they are so bored.

    Donald Trump says America is now Venezuela on steroids. Gangs are eating the pets of Americans. Donald Trump repeats allegations. He got more votes than any other President. (Hillary got more votes than him.) There are more people in America, of course a more recent candidate will get more votes than votes in 1948.

    7:40 p.m: Kamala makes a mistake She claims Trump took bankruptcy six times. Only his companies filed for bankruptcy. His companies filed bankruptcies.

    Kamala says Trump incited a violent mob.

    He has been indicted and impeached for that incident. She brings up Charlottesville.

    No point in continuing. I agree with Donald. Trump is toast and Kamala will win in a landslide.

    Trump has imploded.


    Progressive (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 08:57:24 PM EST
    Implosion.

    This is a big deal.

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    I can't believe ABC (none / 0) (#4)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:00:35 PM EST
    let him get away with tripling-down on the election fraud BS.

    Whether he personally believes it himself is 1000% immaterial.

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    They have been (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:06:24 PM EST
    Wayyyyyy better than the last duo.

    The woman explained killing infants is illegal.

    It just slid by last time.

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    Both Did Poorly on Gaza (none / 0) (#5)
    by RickyJim on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:03:00 PM EST
    ABC should have asked if aid to Israel for offensive weapons is on the table in trying to get a cease fire.

    Ow.... my head hurts. (none / 0) (#7)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:09:06 PM EST
    What could be more fun than watching that orange idiot lie his butt off for an hour and a half.

    I hear you (none / 0) (#14)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:49:47 PM EST
    my limit for him is usually less than five minutes and that's pushing it.

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    But, but, but.... (none / 0) (#9)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:15:14 PM EST
    THE BORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I know. LOL (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 08:16:51 AM EST
    It was the answer to every question no matter what was asked.

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    They're emptying their prisons.. (none / 0) (#32)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:05:08 PM EST
    they're emptying their mental institutions..

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    Of course they are emptying their (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:09:20 PM EST
    mental institutions, isn't that why we call protecting refugees from persecution "asylum"?

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    That should get more coverage (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 02:12:52 PM EST
    That he actually confused political asylum with insane asylums.

    He really did that.  And continues to.

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    The Venezuelan gang (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 09:23:49 PM EST
    'takeover' in Aurora amounted to something like a dozen arrests in a city of nearly 400,000.

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    Peter, you just made me laugh out loud with (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 05:01:12 AM EST
    that asylum comment.

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    She (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:17:32 PM EST
    has been very good.  Not just in her answers but in using the split screen.

    I Guess that David Faris Is Disappointed (none / 0) (#13)
    by RickyJim on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:48:58 PM EST
    How cold be disappointed (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 09:27:29 PM EST
    in her performance when he wrote that before the debate?

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    She Didn't Give New Policy Directions (none / 0) (#47)
    by RickyJim on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 10:10:38 AM EST
    From the article:
    After all, Tuesday night's debate might be one of Harris' last opportunities to regain her momentum by tapping into Americans' desire for a new direction. If not, the "context of all in which you live and what came before you" will forever include another four years of Donald Trump.
    Of course Faris had no idea that having Trump self destruct, by letting him show how crazy he is, might be enough for Harris to win the election.

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    I didn't know (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 10:09:52 AM EST
    STALE was still in business.

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    Check out (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 09:58:01 PM EST
    Apparently Taylor Swift now endorses Kamala. (none / 0) (#18)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 10, 2024 at 10:35:52 PM EST
    She must have watched trump's masterful performance tonight.

    Russia stooge, Dave Rubin (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 10:18:32 PM EST
    just warned her that she could be raped by a Venezuelan gang now.

    And Elon said he'll "give her a child." Which I guess means he and Peter Thiel have given up on having one.


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    I did not (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 08:19:10 AM EST
    watch the entire debate but watched the 1st hour. It was just a demented Trump repeating BS from his rallies. He seems to think that maga is enough for him to win. He certainly turned off all the non-maga voters out there. Kamala was just fabulous for the most part. I can't believe he even repeated the internet rumor about Haitians eating cats and dogs. ROTFLMAO.

    Sadly (none / 0) (#26)
    by jmacWA on Wed Sep 11, 2024 at 10:59:10 AM EST
    I believe it is possible that with the way the MAGAts vote, and their location it will  be very close in the Electoral College.

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    I love this (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 03:06:20 PM EST
    I'm trying hard (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 03:47:14 PM EST
    to not like her

    Graham Warns Trump About Laura Loomer
    September 12, 2024 at 4:39 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) told reporters that he believes conservative activist Laura Loomer to be "toxic" and he advised Donald Trump to "make sure this doesn't become a bigger story," the HuffPost reports.

     Loomer responded on X: "We all know you're gay, Lindsey... And that's ok. It's ok. It's 2024. There's nothing wrong with gay people. I like men too. You and I have something in common we can bond over."



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    She is trying to be (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 04:54:19 PM EST
    a bigger POS than her Orange Jesus.


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    Rumors of (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 05:12:45 PM EST
    an affair

    🤮

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    If anyone has the right to "out" someone (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Peter G on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 01:40:04 PM EST
    who is closeted -- and I'm not sure that anyone does -- that right would apply only to someone who is themself out and proud, and the appropriate target would have to be someone who was attacking fellow gays for his/her own political or other personal benefit. That rule of thumb does not apply to Loomer/Graham.

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    I think Lindsey (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 03:44:42 PM EST
    was outed long ago.  

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    Laura (none / 0) (#57)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 04:12:20 PM EST
    sure has accumulated a lot of hate in her 31 years on earth (although she does look about 30 years older than that---harboring all that ill-will toward others must have aged her..)

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    This is important (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 04:15:37 PM EST
    if MTG and Lindsey had not inserted themselves I would have shrugged it off.

    One more loonie.

    But people seemed to be really worried about not just her but others he is now surrounding himself with.

    It's not a one day story.

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#63)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 05:00:51 PM EST
    When Trump's polls go down, many supporters who are scared silly of Trump will come out of hiding and form a circular firing squad.  The media will become more willing to scotch the sane-washing of Trump's moronic utterances.

    Trump will increasingly surround himself in his mind-bunker with crackpots likes of Laura Loomer, who, apparently, advised him to go with the fake story of  immigrants stealing and eating neighbors "dogs, cats and pets."

     Laura is a real "sweetheart", celebrating the death of Rep Sheila Jackson Lee by calling her a "nasty ghetto b*tch." And, Steven Miller just went off the ledge with a reporter asking him for his data on crime in Venezuela being less than here. And, of course, he has Thiel's pool boy, JD Vance.

    Trump knows that talking about immigration, inflation and other policies is not his cup of tea; and his MAGAts know government is not his field. He is too boring at it.  His loves, and MAGAts look forward to, his rants and insult shtick.  But it is tired and old, like he is.

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    He did His Colonel Klink thing today (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 03:43:56 PM EST
    At the same time he was told about the bomb threats in Springfield and how the republican governor has asked him to stop and brushed it off.

    Brushing off a bomb threats is going to be a problem I think.
    Moreso if the threats become more than threats.

    `She's a free spirit': Donald Trump defends Laura Loomer as GOP unrest grows



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    Squeaky Frome was a free spirit.. (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 04:31:08 PM EST
    Meanwhile the Trump-inspired neanderthal effect is taking place in Springfield and Haitian parents are having to keep their kids home from school.

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    This moment has potential (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 05:37:54 PM EST
    Today I watched (I watched a good bit if him today) him stand there lie about the debate.  Just ridiculous laughable lies.  And repeat the dog thing that is literally a global meme now.
    Just lie like now one knows any better.
    Now
    I'm sure that won't matter at all to about 30%.
    But marginally reasonable people are going to see it for what it is.  And what a ridiculous person he is to do this.
    Which should/might make a reasonable person wonder about everything else he has said. And done.

    Who knows? 1% would matter

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    I mean (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 05:40:01 PM EST
    He is in real time blatantly lying about things they actually saw.

    Like I said.  1%

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    A campaign speech (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 05:41:41 PM EST
    Is different from a weather map

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    Did he really threaten Newsom (none / 0) (#78)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 05:47:14 PM EST
    about withholding federal aid for wildfires?

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    Yeah, he did (none / 0) (#79)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 05:48:58 PM EST
    I just checked it.

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    And by brushed it off (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 13, 2024 at 04:26:12 PM EST
    I mean he literally flopped his hand around in a gesture of aristocratic dismissal

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    I just listened to a little (none / 0) (#59)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 04:25:28 PM EST
    Megyn Kelly, as much as I could stomach.

    At the rate she's going, she'll be Laura Loomer in six months, if not sooner.

    They've all decided to go down with the Trump-ship, right into the sewer if need be.

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    2 charges dismissed (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 12, 2024 at 03:27:42 PM EST

    Judge Scott McAfee dismissed two counts against Donald Trump in the Georgia election interference case Thursday

    This is the important part

    Trump still faces eight charges. He and 14 co-defendants have pleaded not guilty to racketeering and other charges involving an alleged scheme to overturn his 2020 election defeat in Georgia.



    Happy Saturday (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 14, 2024 at 12:15:33 PM EST
    I've been tracking this (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 14, 2024 at 01:21:06 PM EST
    for awhile. The American right seems to hate Trudeau more than the Canadian right does. Which, as usual, means they hate him without knowing anything about him. It's another one of those gut-feeling things. Also the marvelous 'Dr Peterson' has been traipsing around making Trudeau sound like a combination of Stalin and Vlad the Impaler.

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    So Trump gets "shot at" again (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 15, 2024 at 05:17:34 PM EST
    Terrible thing.  
    But it stopped the press from talking about eating pets and terrorizing a community for no reason but meanness

    Well he promised us a bloodbath. (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by desertswine on Sun Sep 15, 2024 at 06:25:50 PM EST
    I am pleased to see (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 03:50:40 PM EST
    it has not stopped cable news from talking about eating pets and terrorizing a community.

    They just do it after they read the headlines.

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    I guess another upside (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 15, 2024 at 07:09:07 PM EST
    for the right wanting an AR15 in every home is that they're not accurate from a distance.

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    Latest version is he was not "shot at" (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Peter G on Sun Sep 15, 2024 at 08:46:07 PM EST
    but rather that a Secret Service agent, assigned to scout out the area around the next hole, spotted the barrel of the AR-15 protruding through the fence and fired toward the location of the presumed gunman, but missed. Gunman then fled, leaving rifle etc. behind, but was stopped in his car some distance away due to a passerby snapping a photo of the license plate as he drove off. The guy may have been mad at Tr*mp over his failure to express support for Ukraine, from one story I saw.

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    The New York Post (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by jondee on Sun Sep 15, 2024 at 09:22:34 PM EST
    (Fox in print) desperately jumped all over this story claiming the shooter was inspired by Biden and Harris and had supported Democrats since 2016.

    Amazing how they can know so much about the guy's political history so quickly.

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    This is where we are (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 03:48:28 PM EST

    The sheriff of an Ohio county recently asked his followers on Facebook to keep track of people in their neighborhoods who are openly supporting Vice President Kamala Harris's presidential campaign.

    LINK

    Clear cut voter intimidation (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 17, 2024 at 04:58:40 PM EST
    How does that knuckle-dragger still have a job?

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    This is why they fought so hard (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 05:24:14 PM EST
    successfully, to keep abortion off the ballot here.

    In Arkansas, a poll showed Trump leading Harris by 15 points--almost half the margin of Trump's 28-point victory there in 2020.



    I'm sorry but (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 16, 2024 at 07:30:14 PM EST
    this is funny

    A Reggaeton star reportedly scrubbed his presidential endorsement (of Trump) off social media after former President Donald Trump mistakenly introduced the singer as a "hot" woman at his weekend campaign rally in Las Vegas.

    Before realizing singer Nicky Jam was a man, Trump quipped: "Do you know Nicky? She's hot."



    Just once. (none / 0) (#107)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Sep 18, 2024 at 04:57:27 PM EST
    I want a reporter to stand up and ask the Orange Moron, after he has spewed another gobbledygook answer to a question, "What the f*ck are you talking about?"

    Then give that reporter a Pulitzer.

    Interesting story about Robinson (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 12:47:52 PM EST
    The thing is they say this story would sink him, which is hard to believe considering all the other outrageous things this guy has said and done, and TODAY is the last day to drop out.

    This is also said

    If Robinson drops out, he's effectively ceding the race to Democrats in order to save Donald Trump in the state.

    It would be great if he drops out and Trump still loses.

    Robinson under pressure to withdraw from gubernatorial race

    Thursday evening is the state deadline to withdraw from the race. The deadline to remove Robinson's name from the ballot already has passed. There are just four weeks to go until early voting, and absentee ballots are due to go in the mail Friday.

    According to the sources, the campaign of Attorney General Josh Stein, Robinson's opponent in the race for North Carolina's Executive Mansion, leaked the story to CNN and local Raleigh news outlet, WRAL. It is expected to hit airwaves later on Thursday.

    That's today

    Yikes (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 03:04:52 PM EST

    `I'm a black NAZI!': NC GOP nominee for governor made dozens of disturbing comments on p0rn forum


    But Robinson insisted he was not suspending his campaign:  "We are not getting out of this race. There are people who are counting on us to win this race."



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    Best bit (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 03:06:46 PM EST

    In other comments on Nude Africa, Robinson discussed his affinity for transgender pornography



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    Trump calls him (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 03:20:04 PM EST
    Make (none / 0) (#113)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 04:00:33 PM EST
    it stop, before we are all sucked into a black hole of absurdity.

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    This is somethng (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 04:17:28 PM EST
    I just found out if he drops out whoever the party replaces him with (NYTs) would automatically get his votes.

    So we want him to stay.  Altho can't see a replacement doing better at this point

    Also the new story is he was on Ashley Madison.  Which is specifically for married people who what to fool around

    But that seems like an asterisk after trans p0rn.

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    Midnight (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 04:18:32 PM EST
    Deadline

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    Would (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 04:45:28 PM EST
    you believe I have black-Nazi-trans-porm on my bingo, card. Pretty lucky after hitting "they are eating dogs" during the debate.

    Now all I need is Lindsy and Tim Scott to  announce they're  secretly married and I hit the trifecta!

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    This seems to be a CNN exclusive (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 05:09:27 PM EST
    They are milking it.  Very very graphic.
    In an interview he just called it a "high tech lynching"

    Nice reference but it's not that high tech really.

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    Nude Africa (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 05:07:03 PM EST
    Was not on my bingo card

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    Weren't (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 05:32:30 PM EST
    half the articles in National Geographic called Nude Africa?

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    I wouldn't (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 05:33:20 PM EST
    know

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    Personally (none / 0) (#124)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 19, 2024 at 07:05:28 PM EST
    There is no saving Trump in NC if what I'm seeing here are an indication

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    So, this happened (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 27, 2024 at 08:11:39 AM EST

    Smith Files Evidence Under Seal Against Trump
    September 27, 2024 at 5:58 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 15 Comments

    "Special counsel Jack Smith filed a sealed legal brief in former President Trump's federal Jan. 6 case Thursday, outlining legal arguments for criminally prosecuting the Republican presidential nominee over efforts to overturn the 2020 election results," Axios reports.

    "U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan will decide whether or not to publicly release the brief containing previously unseen evidence, or a redacted version of it, and it's possible this could occur before November's presidential election."



    So it's released (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 02, 2024 at 02:50:56 PM EST
    Looks like just name are redacted (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 02, 2024 at 02:56:42 PM EST
    Not titles.

    __ ___ Who was the White House Chief of Staff

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    That is the most hilarious (non)redaction (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 02, 2024 at 03:36:12 PM EST
    I have ever seen!

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    Redactions started out (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by Jack E Lope on Wed Oct 02, 2024 at 05:43:04 PM EST
    ...as hard-to-identify, with
    ...private attorneys [CC1] [CC2] [CC3] [CC4] and [CC5] and political operatives [CC6] and [P1]
    ...but there started to be more info that would identify persons.

    What got me was:

    ...the defendant repeatedly publicly attacked [P16] (as well as Georgia Governor [P17]) on Twitter...
    ...but, I guess the Georgia Governor is entitled to be treated fairly. Besides that, he's not a CC.

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    I take it that "CC" is an alleged (none / 0) (#173)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 02, 2024 at 09:51:23 PM EST
    co-conspirator, while "P" is any other individual person who is not alleged to have been a co-conspirator. (And "C" is a company.) It is a long-standing (post-Watergate, iirc) tradition of DoJ fairness not to publish in an indictment the names of person who are not being formally charged with a crime, even if they are alleged by the grand jury and/or the prosecutors to have been co-conspirators of the charged defendant(s).

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    It (none / 0) (#170)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 02, 2024 at 04:42:27 PM EST
    seems like Jack Smith has run out of fks to give.

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    The filing is (none / 0) (#172)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 02, 2024 at 07:50:55 PM EST
    a legal masterpiece, incorporating the best thinking of the DOJ. The Special Counsel sets forth a framework for applying the facts to its immunity decision (Trump v USA)--categories of core immunity (discussion with DOJ), rebuttable presumption of immunity based on doing no harm to the Executive branch, and unofficial or private actions(no immunity).

    Judge Chutkin is likely to be persuaded by the filing as will the DC Court of Appeals.  However, it difficult to be optimistic that the Supreme Court will see it the same way.  After all, the immunity decision was a surprise not only its its ruling, but also, in the granting of certiorari in the first place.

    The immunity ruling was made, it seems, for one person. Moreover, this awful decision did not appear to be made to facilitate prosecution and conviction of Trump, but to let him skate. Jack Smith has made it more difficult for the Supreme Court to give a helping hand to Trump, but despite the Special Counsel's framework for categorizing presidential actions, a clean cleavage of actions remains a challenge--not difficult for "contamination", and, hence, almost everything is immune.

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    The key to the Special Counsel's revised theory (none / 0) (#174)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 02, 2024 at 09:54:42 PM EST
    is that in seeking to engineer a rejection of the states' electoral votes, Tr*mp (even while "serving" as President) was acting in the related private capacities of candidate for re-election and leader of the Republican Party, and not acting as President, that is, in his official capacity.

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    Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 02, 2024 at 10:37:20 PM EST
    office seeker v office holder.  But, I worry that Supreme Court may not view the difference so sharply.  The interactions with Pence will be interesting in their discernment.  And, then the possibility of "contamination".   For example, Trump invited Michigan officials to the Oval Office as a part of the scheme.  They discussed the election subversion plot, but also Covid funding. In Trump, the Supreme Court did not give much guidance--Jack Smith has given his answer.  Will they accept it, or say no, not what we meant.

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    Special counsel Smith is following (none / 0) (#135)
    by Peter G on Fri Sep 27, 2024 at 08:57:04 AM EST
    the procedure that the judge set up for ensuring that the J6/fake elector-related prosecution of Tr*mp in D.C. complies with the Supreme Court's immunity decision.

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    Very curious (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 27, 2024 at 10:23:51 AM EST
    How much she unseals

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    A substantial amount please (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 27, 2024 at 03:35:01 PM EST

    The special counsel, Jack Smith, has asked a federal judge to make public a substantial amount of the evidence that he and his deputies have collected during nearly two years of investigating former President Donald Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election," the New York Times reports.

    "In the filing, Mr. Smith described the sorts of information about Mr. Trump that he would like to reveal in a public version of a lengthy secret brief that he submitted under seal on Thursday evening to Judge Tanya Chutkan, who is overseeing the election interference case in Federal District Court in Washington."



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    ... Trump's efforts to delay the trial and Chief Justice John Roberts' deliberate slow walk of Trump's appeal will result in a massive evidence dump being released publicly only four weeks out from Election Day. I'm not sure what effect it will have in quelling the right-wing temper tantrum at the polls but hopefully, it'll induce more Democratic-leaning citizens to cast their ballots and not sit this one out.

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    Conventional thinking (none / 0) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 04:27:43 PM EST
    I guess, is she might consider the political campaign and be overly cautious about what is unsealed.

    But my impression is she has been saying all along that it's full steam ahead.

    She might release some explosive stuff.  Imagine how that will be received by Trump.

    A real October surprise


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    Lyle Dennistons take on Smith's Book Report (none / 0) (#176)
    by jmacWA on Thu Oct 03, 2024 at 05:26:36 AM EST
    Here.  As usual a summary I can read as a non-lawyer.  It doesn't get very specific just the big picture of what is going on.  

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    For (none / 0) (#143)
    by FlJoe on Sat Sep 28, 2024 at 10:56:37 AM EST
    $59.95 you can buy a "Trumpy Trout". I sht you not a real add on CNN, almost busted a gut laughing

    He has to be getting a cut (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 28, 2024 at 12:03:48 PM EST
    Or he would sue them

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    My daughter sent me a link (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 11:28:07 AM EST
    to this ad a few weeks ago.

    I wonder if this is a Donald grift or a Melania grift.

     My mind still has a really hard time getting around the fact that people or willing to vote for this scam artist.

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    Trump (none / 0) (#157)
    by KeysDan on Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 07:16:00 PM EST
    has called for a National Day of Violence to end crime. Police would be given a free hand to teach a lesson.

    This is the Republican Party's candidate for president!  And, if polls are to be believed, about half the country thinks he is their man.   Trump is, of course, off his rocker, but what about his voters?   Sad and scary.

    At least party leaders are (none / 0) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 08:11:30 PM EST
    condemning it.  Oh, wait.  They're not.

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    Trump is insane. (none / 0) (#160)
    by desertswine on Mon Sep 30, 2024 at 10:01:36 PM EST
    Sobering thought (none / 0) (#164)
    by BGinCA on Tue Oct 01, 2024 at 01:11:37 PM EST
    Win or lose we live in a country where over 70 million people think this `person' should be our leader.

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