State of the Union: Will Biden Resonate?

Americans have been dealt a hand with two candidates, neither of whom they particularly think should be President. Nonetheless, barring Trump being criminally tried, convicted and imprisoned before November, which has become more and more unlikely the past few months, Americans will have to choose between them.

So there's a lot riding on Joe Biden's speech tonight. I have not seen the draft, but I suspect like almost everything he does, he will land in the center, disappointing those with firm convictions at either extreme.

He's not going to come out against the death penalty, in favor of removing border walls or cutting back on prisons or cessation of jailing non-violent offenders, or even for federal legalization of marijuana. If he supports lowering pot from a Schedule I substance to a Schedule 3 substance, he is still missing the point. Marijuana should be removed from the controlled substance list entirely. Now that would be progress. [More....]

He may talk about diabetes drugs. But what about the other life-saving and life-prolonging drugs with ridiculous prices that Government insurance programs like Medicare (and private insurance) don't cover? Heart disease (not drug overdoses) is still the leading cause of death in this country.

Obesity (with or without type 2 diabetes) is a strong indicator for risk of serious heart disease, but new drugs that treat obesity are out of reach of millions because of the $1,000. a month price tag. I'm glad that Oprah can afford it, but what about everybody else? What help will Biden promise for the poor?

He's going to go after the portions of voters he can count on and those he thinks he can win over: He'll be strong on Roe v. Wade for women. He'll say we need to continue supporting the Ukraine. He will remind Israel he supports Palestine becoming a state. He'll support labor. He'll have statistics that will differ wildly from Trump's.

If he talks about the economic progress we've made since COVID-19, and says jobs are up and inflation is falling and all is right with the world, I think the Secret Service should take him shopping at a supermarket. That just is not true and we all know it. The prices for groceries and household products have soared. And show no sign of stopping.

In the end, none of it matters because there will be no change. As María in Joan Didion's Play It As It Lays would say, "Nothing applies".

What does matter: Biden is poised and has the demeanor of a statesman rather than a carnival barker. He can continue to restore the international respect we lost during Trump's last foray. Biden can work with an opposition Congress, he did it for decades. Biden honestly believes the country needs his ideas and that he has a job to finish. Given the alternative, I think he should have the chance.

Since none of the issues I most care about are on tonight's agenda, and Donald Trump is too batsh*t crazy to take seriously, I'm not sure I'll have strong opinions on tonight's speech.

For Biden's sake, and America's, I hope it goes well.

If you are watching the speech, here's a place to discuss it.
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    None of the items (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Mar 07, 2024 at 08:12:47 PM EST
    you mention in your first five paragraphs are on anyone's radar for this election. Zero. Nada. So you are correct, none those will be addressed.

    It's the border, border, border. What he needs to hammer home is that that the GQP rejected a bill that offered some solutions. At the orange mob boss's direction. Rinse, repeat.

    And abortion and women's healthcare. Rinse, repeat.

    I believe the campaign has begun (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 07, 2024 at 08:41:39 PM EST
    If you are not watching you should be.  Joe is on fire.

    How many four letter words (none / 0) (#3)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Mar 07, 2024 at 09:12:43 PM EST
    are in the English language that can describe MTG?

    This was really pretty great (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 07, 2024 at 09:19:14 PM EST
    He handed the hecklers their azz.  Mike looks constipated.  This is being well received.

    Ah (none / 0) (#6)
    by coast on Thu Mar 07, 2024 at 09:31:44 PM EST
    Not enough!

    Off topic. But on the subject of speeches (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Mar 07, 2024 at 09:43:20 PM EST
    I saw JB Pritzker's commencement speech at Northwestern. I like this guy. I would like to see him on the national stage.

    Biden Nailed It (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by john horse on Fri Mar 08, 2024 at 07:35:56 AM EST
    On issue after issue I thought Biden nailed it, contrasting what he has done or proposes to do with his predecessor (also known as He Who Cannot Be Named).

    Biden also addressed the age issue.  For over an hour, he gave a vigorous speech in which he was clearly in command.  

    Katie Britt (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 08, 2024 at 09:27:46 AM EST
    When is the GOP going to learn that conservative southern women should be nowhere near the podium? Last year we had Sarah Huckabee, Aunt Lydia, and this year we had Katie Britt, the commander's wife Serena, giving the rebuttal in the kitchen no less. Who says life doesn't imitate art?

    That was (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2024 at 10:16:25 AM EST
    a disaster.

    Appeared as if (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 08, 2024 at 12:10:38 PM EST
    an aspiring middle school dramatist.  The cameras did not permit a full view so I am not sure if she was bare-foot and pregnant, but she was holed up in the kitchen-- like a good Republican woman. She did make Bobby Jindal's response of the past seem like a real barnburner.  And, we now thirst for an encore of Little Marco's Polaris Hills spellbinder.

    Katie Britt (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Mar 09, 2024 at 06:38:50 PM EST
    is a fraud. The trafficking story she told happened 20 years ago in Mexico.

    The only person happy with that performance (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 09, 2024 at 07:32:59 PM EST
    is Bobby Jindal.  He is no longer the worst ever.

    I know (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 10, 2024 at 06:57:30 AM EST
    and it was beyond disgusting.

    Breathless in the Kitchen (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by KeysDan on Sun Mar 10, 2024 at 04:02:26 PM EST
    Scarlet Johansson's SNL parody of Britt was funny, but she did not quite get the Fundy Christian Little Girl voice of the Kitchen Lady.  

    Now the (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Mar 11, 2024 at 08:43:51 AM EST
    actual sex trafficking victim who is an anti sex trafficking activist has spoken out and is ticked at Britt. She said she never spoke to Britt directly and only was on a panel where she discussed her sex trafficking and apparently she wasn't trafficked by a cartel either.

    This is nothing but a rolling disaster for the GOP.


    The SOTU (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 08, 2024 at 09:52:49 AM EST
    was, fundamentally, a clarion call  to the dangers the nation faces from the Republican Party.  The unique circumstance of the sitting president facing off with a former president.permitted a comparison of the achievements of the present administration with the previous one --and, his "predecessor".,  And, critically  the Biden  vision of  progress and hope contrasted with  the Trump  outlook for a. dark Orban- like descent into autocracy fueled by chaos, retribution, resentment and hatred of. fellow Americans.

    The  President's delivery was spirited, full of energy, enthusiasm and determination.  He brought  an historic context  to his remarks, from the  dangers cited by Franklin Roosevelt in 1941, to  his own biography of being  Vice President to the first Black President and, now, being President to the first woman Vice President.  

    He deftly and humorously addressed his age-- from once being considered to be too young--elected to the senate at age 29 and being told he could not use the senate elevator, to, now, being told he is too old.   The SOTU showed vigor and vibrancy so much so that Trump couldn't believe it, claiming (projecting?) that he was on drugs.

    And most importantly (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 08, 2024 at 10:07:56 AM EST
    for the pearl clutches and bed wetters, he should be could absolutely kick republicans in the b@lls for 90 minutes and have fun doing it.

    The rights response has been hilarious.

    Too loud.  Too mean.  He talked too fast.  Too partisan.  Boohoo we are triggered.

    Get used to it.


    Peter Baker (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 08, 2024 at 12:13:59 PM EST
    found it to be "rancorous".  Either he doesn't own a dictionary or he missed the address and was briefed by Marge.

    Yeah, Joe Biden called out ... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Mar 08, 2024 at 02:15:56 PM EST
    ... the Supreme Court, his "predecessor," MAGA Republicans for doing things that are unpopular with Americans. So, of course, this is why that's bad for Biden.

    Peter Baker makes my head hurt.


    Yes, (5.00 / 5) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 08, 2024 at 05:53:37 PM EST
    Alito and Thomas were not there.  Clarence finally recused himself from something.

    No, it is not a "case of incompetence" (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by Peter G on Mon Mar 18, 2024 at 07:17:03 PM EST
    by anyone. The term "insurrection" is not defined in either the criminal statute or the constitutional disqualification provision. Both use the same phrase, "insurrection or rebellion." I therefore don't see how either of them can be described as "more explicit." A criminal conviction, however, requires elaborate and time-consuming procedures, and ultimately proof beyond a reasonable doubt. No sensible person (until the Supreme Court rendered its shocking and incomprehensible opinion) would have thought the constitutional provision was harder to enforce.

    Happy Easter, everyone! (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Mar 31, 2024 at 07:47:28 PM EST
    It's Merrie Monarch Festival time here in Hilo, HI. The festival is the state's largest Native Hawaiian cultural celebration, and the annual event attracts thousands of local participants and visitors and contributes about $8-10 million to the local economy. It's also spring break for schools, and our eldest daughter brought over the grandsons for the week to experience what's now a true cultural phenomenon. It'll be a fun week.

    Take care, one and all. Aloha.

    RIP - Joe Flaherty... (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by desertswine on Tue Apr 02, 2024 at 04:46:11 PM EST
    Among Mr. Flaherty's characters were Guy Caballero, the sleazy president of the station, and Sammy Maudlin, an unctuous late-night talk show host. His character Count Floyd wore a cheap vampire costume while hosting a horror movie show, "Monster Chiller Horror Theater." The joke was that the movies the program showed -- such as "Dr. Tongue's Evil House of Pancakes" -- were seldom very scary, leaving Floyd holding the bag and often having to apologize to viewers.

    Monster Chiller Horror Theater

    Positive Effects of Immigration and Immigrants (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by KeysDan on Thu Apr 04, 2024 at 09:52:52 PM EST
    Jerome Powell, Chair of the Federal Reserve, at an Economic Forum at Stanford University yesterday, stated that immigration appeared to be greater over the past two years and has contributed to the robust economy.  Moreover, it appears to account, in great measure, for its robustness without a recession as some predicted.

    MTG..... (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by desertswine on Fri Apr 05, 2024 at 03:01:11 PM EST
    God is sending America strong signs to tell us to repent.

    Earthquakes and eclipses and many more things to come.

    I pray that our country listens.

    Racing towards the Dark, Dark, Darkest Ages.

    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 08, 2024 at 08:33:16 AM EST
    There you go again. (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by jmacWA on Mon Apr 08, 2024 at 03:16:34 PM EST
    Everyone knows that the way to ultimate knowledge is opened up when you stare directly at the eclipse.  

    I think it resonated (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 10, 2024 at 04:09:46 PM EST
    Great (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 11, 2024 at 09:24:30 AM EST
    and the GOP actually supporting laws from the 1800's are not helping.

    "We want to take our country back" (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Apr 11, 2024 at 01:01:36 PM EST
    .... to the 1800s.

    It did not dissappoint (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 11, 2024 at 03:43:07 PM EST
    People kept saying (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 07, 2024 at 09:21:04 PM EST
    why isn't Biden doing interviews or whatever to stop all the talk about his diminishment.

    This is why.

    From a Republican (none / 0) (#7)
    by coast on Thu Mar 07, 2024 at 09:40:46 PM EST
    I thought he performed well.  Of course I have issues with many of his policies, but he was forceful and whipped up his party.

    Thanks to Ken Buck (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 12, 2024 at 07:21:58 PM EST
    they now have a two vote majority!

    Rep. Ken Buck (R-CO) said he "will resign from Congress later this month rather than serve out the remainder of his term through 2024," Axios reports.

    Washington Post: "Once Buck departs, Republicans will outnumber Democrats 218 to 213 in the House. That means Republicans can afford to lose only two votes to pass legislation along party lines when everyone is attending and voting."

    And this-

    Aaron Rodgers and Jesse Ventura Top RFK Jr.'s Short List
    March 12, 2024 at 5:42 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 436 Comments

    "Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has recently approached the N.F.L. quarterback Aaron Rodgers and the former Minnesota governor and professional wrestler Jesse Ventura about serving as his running mate on an independent presidential ticket, and both have welcomed the overtures," the Washington Post reports.

    "Mr. Kennedy confirmed on Tuesday that the two men were at the top of his list

    Jesse Ventura please.  It's time for a Do-rag VP.

    Buck (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 13, 2024 at 08:04:05 AM EST
    resigning puts Boebert in a quandary. She can run in the special election and if she wins she has to resign her current seat leaving it open. She already said she is running in that district in November but I would think it's unlikely she would win the seat against the winner of the special election. What a mess.

    All of which (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 13, 2024 at 08:06:38 AM EST
    Buck knew very well.  This was a stunning move.  

    He didn't even tell Mikey.


    I am (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Mar 13, 2024 at 10:19:27 AM EST
    beginning to think that a lot of these guys hate Mikey but are too much of a coward to say so publicly.

    Have you seen what Buck is saying (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 13, 2024 at 01:10:14 PM EST
    it's pretty public

    Jesse Ventura has actually (none / 0) (#24)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Mar 12, 2024 at 09:14:13 PM EST
    Said some intelligent things in the past. I read one of his books (assuming there is more than one). Aaron Rodgers on the hand, is a complete nutball. Too many hits to the head maybe.

    Gym Jordan and House Judiary Committe (none / 0) (#29)
    by KeysDan on Wed Mar 13, 2024 at 01:31:40 PM EST
    goes off the rails. Once again. Their witness, former Special Counsel Robert Hur, became Has-Ben Hur--another sacrifice (Harvard, Stanford Law, Rehnquist Clerk) on the altar of Trump.

    Hur did not like calling President Biden "exonerated" which may be thought of as being cleared of an accusation or unlawful act, but he did refer, as he did through the hearing, to his report, that no criminal charges are warranted, and he declined to charge on the documents case.  More over, his judgment would be the same even if Biden was not the still g president.

    Hur indicated, as in the report, that the evidence did not establish wrongdoing.  And, not only was there a shortage of evidence, but also, ther may be innocent explanations

    The Democrats on the Committee did an excellent job of emphasizing the contrasts and comparisons with Trump's stolen document case and underscoring the partisan hit job of the report.

    Of course, there would not have been a hearing if it were not for the gratuitous commentary accompanying Hur's declination based on the lack of evidence and criminal intent. Hur lost credibility with the release that morning of the transcript of Biden's two-day deposition. The report on Biden:  `A sympathetic well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory."  Transcript and not in report: Hur; "you appear to have a photographic understanding and
    The report caused a political firestorm due to Hur stating in the report that Biden could not remember the date and month of his son's death. But, the transcript indicated that was a lie.  Biden: Romberg, in this time frame, my son is either deployed or dying. But, what month did Beau die?  Oh, God, May 30th." Someone in the room added, 2015.  Biden, yes,  2015.

    That was surreal (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 13, 2024 at 03:46:54 PM EST
    the republicans just lied and lied and said one ridiculous thing after another.

    It's true the democrats did a decent job of speaking the truth.  But everyone heard what they wanted to hear.

    The only expectation for a republican representative is to say the worst possible things about Biden.  They did their job.  I'm sure the folks at home were happy with it.


    Of (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by FlJoe on Wed Mar 13, 2024 at 04:46:50 PM EST
    course the media, after swallowing the original bogus report hook line and sinker, spent little time on it's debunking, or missed the point entirely.

    yes, (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by KeysDan on Wed Mar 13, 2024 at 05:05:49 PM EST
    The WaPo story disappeared.  NYTimes headline was "Hur says Biden not exonerated."  

    If you keep getting duped, you are just part of the shame.


    Not (none / 0) (#34)
    by FlJoe on Wed Mar 13, 2024 at 05:20:36 PM EST
    duped, more like mission accomplished.

    How could (none / 0) (#33)
    by KeysDan on Wed Mar 13, 2024 at 05:15:20 PM EST
    Merrick Garland have appointed Hur?  Were there no Democratic US Attorneys of integrity?  Guess, Democrats must have a Republican prosecutor, unlike
    Republicans.  It has been reported that Hur was coached for the House hearing by Trump operatives.

    The hearing did not turn out as the Republicans expected, and that alone was good. Maybe, the most effective result was for Democrats, putting the senile concerns to bed, for the likes of Ezra Klein and Jon Stewart.


    It think it was definitely (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Mar 13, 2024 at 06:26:11 PM EST
    plus democrats.  They looked cartoonish.  If anyone persuadable was watching.  The right got hours of FOX and NESWSMAX segments.


    Yeah, about the prosecutors.  It's simple.  We get republican prosecutors because we will take it and like it.  

    I hope we stop taking it.  I'm not holding my breath.

    The consensus moving from Biden is feeble and senile to Biden is evil and mean and loud is good.  In a META way.

    It was hilarious watching those House fools accuse Biden of everything Trump promotes as his strengths


    Democrats have an opportunity here. (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Mar 14, 2024 at 02:43:38 AM EST
    In a battle of attrition, the numbers and financials already favor the Biden-Harris campaign and the DNC. But I'm of a mind that the GOP's nomination of Trump is a gift. So, I'd be aggressive and press them. Hard.

    Start spending big on ads now and define Trump early, because they don't have the funds to respond in kind and further, Trump's about to be tied up in criminal court in New York. Pound him. If he's convicted at trial, so much the better. Keep hitting him as a convicted felon, unfit for office.

    The goal here would be by the time of the Republican convention this summer, the race between Biden and Trump should be effectively over. The GOP has giftwrapped for us the most fundamentally flawed and thoroughly repulsive major-party presidential candidate we'll ever see in our lifetime. Because this isn't Donald Trump the Novelty Act in 2016 or President Trump the Incumbent in 2020. It's Fascist Trump the Felony Defendant in 2024, a now-known and genuinely despicable character and the Snidely Whiplash of our times.

    The GOP is also nearly broke and starting to fracture, and Republicans' knives are out for each other. For Democrats, Biden-Harris should be a victory lap in the fall, and the question then shifts to down-ballot contests and the length of the campaign's coattails.

    One very rarely gets an opportunity in presidential politics to win going away. And quite honestly, if you can't run up the score on a guy facing double-digit felony charges and over a half-billion dollars in legal judgments, fines and interest penalties, then you're really in the wrong game.

    The opening is there for Democrats to seize the moment. Don't just campaign on the demographic margins and play to not lose. Rather for once, play to win. Dream big and think landslide because for the country's long-term sake, the MAGA Republicans need to not just be rejected, but routed.



    Yes (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 14, 2024 at 07:51:35 AM EST
    I agree.  

    Democrats Must Counter (none / 0) (#38)
    by RickyJim on Thu Mar 14, 2024 at 12:33:48 PM EST
    the most common pro-Trump arguments:

    1. "I did better economically under Trump than I am doing under Biden".
    2. "Biden screwed up the southern border by rescinding Trump executive orders to prevent the flooding in of illegal immigrants".  
    3. "Kamala Harris will be taking over soon if Biden is reelected".
    4. "Biden is the one to be punished for allowing the genocide in Gaza to happen".

    The 2016 election is proof enough that simply pointing out Trump's character faults is insufficient to win.

    This is (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by jmacWA on Thu Mar 14, 2024 at 03:24:24 PM EST

    1."I did better economically under Trump than I am doing under Biden".

    >Maybe if you are in the 1%, most of us are not.

    2. "Biden screwed up the southern border by rescinding Trump executive orders to prevent the flooding in of illegal immigrants".  

    >Please list everything Republicans have done to ease the situation

    3. "Kamala Harris will be taking over soon if Biden is reelected".

    > If Biden isn't reelected TRUMP will be taking over... nuf said.

    4. "Biden is the one to be punished for allowing the genocide in Gaza to happen".

    > I am in no way happy with Biden's handling of Gaza, that you seem to think Trump would do better is unbelievable.


    Pffft (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 14, 2024 at 03:32:12 PM EST
    Calling them Delusional isn't a Winning Strategy (none / 0) (#58)
    by RickyJim on Fri Mar 15, 2024 at 08:29:20 PM EST
    It's (none / 0) (#65)
    by FlJoe on Sat Mar 16, 2024 at 01:37:26 PM EST
    funny how Republicans never have to "work" to spread  or defend their lies.

    At this point, those people who ... (none / 0) (#66)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Mar 17, 2024 at 03:02:00 AM EST
    ... believe the border is broken and the economy was better under Trump are unlikely to be persuaded otherwise, even if I brought in an expert like David J. Bier of the Cato Institute to explain in detail to them how the Trump administration systematically undermined the U.S. immigration system and border security between 2017 and 2021.

    This is going to be a base election. I'm not here to beg for your vote by restating the already obvious. You're an adult, and if you can't figure things out at this point in order to make an existential choice between right and wrong, then the kind of help you need is well beyond my amateur standing.



    There is no reasoning (none / 0) (#75)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 19, 2024 at 01:20:44 PM EST
    With Maga and I refuse to waste my time. As far as Gaza, I am not convinced that a lot of them really care and their so called protests are not helping. I am like fine. When Trump tells Bibi to flatten Gaza don't come crying. We tried telling them about the supreme court in 2016 and it was a waste of time

    Every one (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 14, 2024 at 03:26:02 PM EST
    a media created story.  I would just pont out he didn't have 91 felony charges in 2016.  

    There is no comparison to anything from 2016.  Trump was an unknown.  Not anymore.

    I keep saying this and no one listens.  2024 is going to be a great year for Democrats.

    I'm tired of explaining why.

    Remember where you heard that.


    I have to disagree (none / 0) (#45)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Mar 14, 2024 at 04:52:49 PM EST
    on the unknown part. I knew who he was 25 years ago.

    Ha (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 14, 2024 at 05:23:16 PM EST
    Me too.  I lived in NYC all through the 80s.

    But you have to admit.  More is now known.

    I have always thought if we (Dems) could distill a message that made people understand what a threat the right was that is an election we could win.  

    We are about to get that election.  If I'm wrong I will eat me words but I don't believe the American voters will choose autocracy.

    And the autocracy is going to be clear to everyone by November.

    Another bright spot.   Money.  Biden is raising record amounts.  Trump is losing small money doners by the minute.  2-300,000 since last time.  And who the F is going to donate to him.

    This is important all the way down the ballot.  Trump takeover of the RNC means less money for anyone not named Trump.


    In case you missed early Trump NYC (none / 0) (#47)
    by jmacWA on Fri Mar 15, 2024 at 05:04:29 AM EST
    It's pretty easy to imagine what he was like.  According to Page 6 he was just like iDJiT JR is today.

    The Republican primary (none / 0) (#42)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 14, 2024 at 04:25:11 PM EST
    vote for Nikki Haley showed an electoral weakness and is dangerous for Trump.  Even if just a small percentage of Haley voters stay home, it is a Biden landslide.

    Trump handlers surely recognize the danger and are likely to argue for putting Haley on the ticket---Trump is transactional, and  is likely to go along despite calling  her a bird brain; and Haley is likely to go along despite  her calling him unfit for office.  And, her protestations to the contrary.

    I have a hard time (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 14, 2024 at 04:45:33 PM EST
    imagining him choosing a woman.  I know it's the no brainer thing to do.  And he clearly NEEDS to do it.  Oddly I think the fact he needs to will work against him actually doing it.

    I've been thinking of he chooses a woman VP it shows he is really scared.

    But you are right about her voters.  I think I heard she got 70,000 votes in GA.  When she wasn't even running anymore.


    Republicans are talking to themselves (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 14, 2024 at 04:52:36 PM EST
    I really think the media bubble is going to bite them on the azz.  There is a Trump NEWSMAX interview from yesterday thas been making the rounds today.

    It's LOL if you are not a Trump supporter.  They really don't understand how ridiculous they sound.  Or they do understand and are just dishing it out.  Either way they are liveing in an alternate reality.

    A win for Fani Willis. (none / 0) (#48)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 15, 2024 at 04:39:45 PM EST
    Based on the facts and the law, Fulton county Superior Court  Judge Scott McAfee found no conflict of interest and  States Attorney Fani Willis was not disqualified from the election interference case.  Based on several subjective measures (not solely the romantic relationship with Special  Prosector Nathan Wade) the judge determined there was the appearance of impropriety--not of such to rise to the extreme and rare  disqualification, but sufficient to require the removal of Special Prosecutor Wade or the stepping aside of the States Attorney. (Note; Wade submitted his resigned Friday afternoon).

    The judge determined Ms. Willis to have had a tremendous lapse of judgment.

    However, according to the findings, the financial benefit to Ms.Willis ( the argument of the motion) netted the amount of about $100 from the pair's joint travels, essentially Dutch treats between  Ms Wills' cash reimbursements to Wade  and her direct payment of expenses.  This despite the judges gratuitous and unsubstantiated suspicions of the veracity of their  testimony.

    Moreover, it was noted that Wade was not the first person offered the position. Wade was offered the position after a former governor of Georgia turned it down. Moreover, the judge acknowledged that the hourly rate of $250 was at the lower end of rates for metro-Atlanta and that the hourly provision was not an incentive to prolong the trial.  Indeed, States Attorney Willis strive to move rapidly.

    The judge found that the motion affecting Trump and other criminal defendants attempting to overthrow the government was built on a brittle foundation that was not supported by the evidence. The criminal defendants changed focus from financial gain to when the former romantic relationship began.

    Trump, of course, is likely to appeal.  Easy to do having access to unlimited funds of supporters and the treasury of the RNC.  Hopefully. the rookie judge will let the trial begin with appeal after the trial, if necessary.

    People I thought were smart (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 15, 2024 at 05:08:46 PM EST
    are saying she should step aside.  I don't agree.  She has earned this. IMO.

    She should (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 15, 2024 at 05:30:28 PM EST
    not step aside.  Under Georgia law if she refuses, the entire prosecutorial team is off the case and a new Prosector and team would need to be appointed.  This would likely take the case from this distraction and delay to, essentially, the dropping of the case.

      It should be underscored that no conflict of interest was found and there was no evidence of financial gain-- the original basis of the motion of the criminal defendants.  Appearances  of impropriety are not a basis for disqualification in  Georgia, although the judge seems to think it is  while admitting it  would be extreme  and rare .

    Fani Willis was elected by the voters of  Fulton County and is. accountable to them for "appearances".


    Note (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 15, 2024 at 05:32:35 PM EST
     ...if she recuses

    Justice (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 15, 2024 at 06:14:27 PM EST
    Thomas has done far. far worse, what a joke our so called justice system is and the media a pack of braying jackasses, chasing every morsel the right wing throws at  them.

    I some would (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 15, 2024 at 06:50:56 PM EST
    say Ginni being involved in the overthrow of the government creates an "appearance of impropriety".

    My impression is (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 15, 2024 at 06:53:47 PM EST
    she would have to be dragged off the case.

    Fani (none / 0) (#55)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 15, 2024 at 07:41:43 PM EST
    will need to be strong and continue to fight.   Republicans  will be after her on several fronts--picking up on Judge McAfee's harsh and evidence-free  scolding.  

    Yes, A Win for the Prosecution (none / 0) (#56)
    by RickyJim on Fri Mar 15, 2024 at 08:17:02 PM EST
    Wade's replacement would have to be more qualified for the job than he was and so it would make it more likely for a trial to result in a conviction.

    There's also the possibility that ... (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Mar 17, 2024 at 03:17:50 AM EST
    ... District Attorney Fani Willis decides to take direct control over the prosecution of Trump & Co. herself. From everything I've read about her, she's a formidable trial attorney. The defendants could well rue the day they made it personal. And quite frankly, this is one of those high-profile cases in which the DA should probably be the lead prosecutor in court.

    On another front... (none / 0) (#57)
    by desertswine on Fri Mar 15, 2024 at 08:23:11 PM EST
    Peter Navarro is asking the Supreme Court to keep him out of prison.

    In an emergency application filed with the Supreme Court late Friday, Navarro's lawyers say his case marks "the first time in our nation's history" that "a senior presidential advisor has been convicted of contempt of Congress after asserting executive privilege over a congressional subpoena."

    I can't stand this guy.

    I guess (none / 0) (#59)
    by jmacWA on Sat Mar 16, 2024 at 05:03:06 AM EST
    Navarro is unaware of the other firsts, that IMO, affect his case.  

    They will probably (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 16, 2024 at 08:03:21 AM EST
    take the case.   And then delay it for a year or two.

    I do not think so. What is before them (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Peter G on Sat Mar 16, 2024 at 11:12:48 AM EST
    is a motion to delay Navarro's surrender for service of sentence, pending the preparation, filing and disposition of an application for certiorari, after losing his appeal (and being denying a delay) in two lower courts. Last time I researched it (for a client), not a single such motion had been granted by any Justice of the Supreme Court in any case since their authority to consider such motions was established by statute in 1984 (or maybe it was 1986).

    Stay of surrender denied today (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by Peter G on Mon Mar 18, 2024 at 07:02:08 PM EST
    by Chief Justice Roberts (as Circuit Justice for the D.C. Circuit, where the contempt-of-Congress case arose). (Someone here said it was Justice Thomas's jurisdiction, but it isn't/wasn't.) One-page opinion saying it appeared that Navarro's lawyers did not raise in the trial court the issues they claimed justified extending his bail pending certiorari, which creates a "forfeiture" of the issues. So he must begin serving his sentence on a date in the near future to be set by the sentencing judge.

    It was (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 16, 2024 at 11:25:09 AM EST
    a joke

    I understood your comment (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Peter G on Sat Mar 16, 2024 at 12:35:07 PM EST
    was a (well-justified) cynical remark, but I did not take it as a joke.

    Yes, (none / 0) (#61)
    by KeysDan on Sat Mar 16, 2024 at 11:05:31 AM EST
    and the Supreme Court Justice for the circuit is....wait for it......
                                  Clarence Thomas

    But but but (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 18, 2024 at 11:53:13 AM EST
    you are a billionaire!?

    Trump can't post $464M bond to appeal New York fraud case, lawyers say

    The chickens are about to come home to roost.  A lot of F'ing chickens.

    Only the best chickens.

    Huuuuge Chickens! (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by coast on Mon Mar 18, 2024 at 12:28:04 PM EST
    Remember, a bond is not required (none / 0) (#70)
    by Peter G on Mon Mar 18, 2024 at 12:54:29 PM EST
    in order to appeal. It is only required in order to appeal without the winning party having the power to collect the judgment even during the ongoing appeal process. If the AG's office wants to risk collection during the appeal, understanding they will have to repay him if he prevails, that's up to them. The party that lost at trial is not entitled to a stay just because they choose to appeal in a civil case any more than a losing criminal defendant gets to avoid or postpone serving their sentence by exercising their right of appeal. The point of the bond is to ensure that the party who prevailed at trial will be able to collect on that judgment later, if the appeal fails, as most appeals do.

    I saw Letitia mention 40Wall St (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Mar 18, 2024 at 05:36:23 PM EST
    and found this on wiki

    The loan on the property was transferred to a special servicer that November because there was a possibility that the state government's ongoing civil investigation of the Trump Organization could result in the organization's dissolution.[279] Following a January 2024 ruling in which the Trump Organization was found liable for civil fraud, New York Attorney General Letitia James said her office was prepared to seize the building if he could not pay a judgment of approximately $355 million.

    Bloomberg News is reporting that (none / 0) (#76)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 21, 2024 at 09:44:11 AM EST
    AG James has registered the civil judgment as a lien with the Westchester County Clerk's property office, suggesting that the state might be looking at seizing the family estate situated in the countryside just north of NYC.

    He also has a fancy golf resort... (none / 0) (#77)
    by desertswine on Thu Mar 21, 2024 at 11:37:07 AM EST
    Does he personally own the golf resort? (none / 0) (#78)
    by Peter G on Thu Mar 21, 2024 at 02:08:22 PM EST
    Or is it owned by some "independent" corporate entity?  Or does he perhaps just license the use of his name to an unaffiliated company that owns and runs it? I honestly have no idea. Nor do I actually know, now that I think of it, exactly whom (and what entities, if any) the NY civil judgment is against.

    Wait.. (none / 0) (#79)
    by desertswine on Thu Mar 21, 2024 at 05:53:07 PM EST
    Lemme find my membership card.

    I read that (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 21, 2024 at 06:23:50 PM EST
    no one knows.  That one of the very interesting things about this is the prosecutor will be able to dig through the maze of shell companies and find out where his money is.  And where it came from as well.

    I Still Don't Understand Insurrection (none / 0) (#71)
    by RickyJim on Mon Mar 18, 2024 at 05:16:41 PM EST
    There is at least one federal statute and one constitutional provision relating to it:
    18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
    U.S. Code

    Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

    Fourteenth Amendment  Equal Protection and Other Rights

    Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    I can't fathom why all the discussion and legal proceedings as to regards to Trump is based on the amendment and not on the statute.  If anything, the applicability to Trump's behavior on and before Jan. 6, 2021 is made more explicit by the statute.  No quibbling about oaths taken is necessary.  It is also enforceable in Federal Court and a conviction yields disqualification as a bonus. I don't see why it should be harder to get a conviction on the basis of 2383 than the other charges on which Trump has been indicted. Is it simply a case of incompetence on the part of Jack Smith and Merrick Garland?

    When you are obviously unfamiliar ... (none / 0) (#81)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Mar 22, 2024 at 11:22:36 AM EST
    ... with the specific details and particulars of a case, e.g., the actual evidence, please refrain from disparaging the work of others as "incompetence." If Special Counsel Jack Smith didn't charge under Sec. 2383, it's likely because he wasn't confident he could sustain that charge at trial with the evidence at hand and still gain a conviction.

    2 of the 4 Smith Charges Are Questioned (none / 0) (#82)
    by RickyJim on Fri Mar 22, 2024 at 06:57:12 PM EST
    The Supreme Court has agreed to hear an appeal from Joseph Fischer who was convicted of Jan 6 charges including one for "Interference with an official proceeding" something that Smith has based two of his charges on. The statute in question was passed, in the aftermath of Enron, to punish document shredders.

    I haven't seen anything convincing to explain why Trump was not charged with violating 2383, as the Jan. 6 Committee recommended be done in their report. For example here is what Murray and Weissmann say in a footnote their recent book "The Trump Indictments".

    First, insurrection had not been charged since the nineteenth century and would have raised questions of selective prosecution if it was charged here (although one could argue that the circumstances here were truly extraordinary and warranted such a charge).

    There are a lot of problematic aspects (none / 0) (#83)
    by Peter G on Sat Mar 23, 2024 at 10:36:35 AM EST
    that I can see to a potential criminal charge of insurrection against Tr*mp under section 2383. Selective prosecution is not one of them, however. Of course, I do not have the credentials of professors Murray or Weissman, and I have not read their book, so perhaps I am missing something there. In particular, "insurrection" in this context is best understood -- based on sources dating to the law's enactment in 1862 -- as an organized use of mass or collective violence (some definitions also require "armed") to prevent the performance of one or more lawful governmental functions based on a grievance against the government. As he did not personally engage in the violence, Tr*mp would have to be proven to have intended each of those elements when he "set it on foot," excluding rhetoric protected by the First Amendment. I believe he may well be guilty under that standard, but I can see a thoughtful prosecutor steering clear of undertaking to prove all that if the case can be made out based on simpler charges. That said, there is a good argument (to be presented before the Supremes in the Fischer case) that the J6 prosecutors overreached in their application of section 1512, and that as a result a hundred or more of the most serious J6 convictions and/or sentences may have to be pared back.

    I Can't See a Problem With Proving (none / 0) (#84)
    by RickyJim on Sat Mar 23, 2024 at 05:33:10 PM EST
    that Trump "incited" and "gave aid or comfort" to the Jan. 6 insurrection/rebellion. And conveniently for the prosecution, he is still doing it now, like in the E. Jean Carroll case. I don't see a need to go into the "sets on foot", assists" and "engages" parts since the list is an or of possible charges, not an and.

    The Francis Scott Key Bridge (none / 0) (#85)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Mar 26, 2024 at 04:16:21 PM EST
    on the Baltimore beltway collapsed early this morning after being hit by container ship. My wife, being from Dundalk (north side of the bridge) is devastated. It was a landmark of her growing up.

    Joe says the US government will get it rebuilt.

    My GQP neighbor said "I'm not so sure it was an accident." This my friends is how QANON got started. This is how a pizza parlor in DC got shot up. These nutballs will deliver GD anything.

    That (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 26, 2024 at 04:19:16 PM EST
    long shot if the bridge collapsing was something.

    It looked like an effects movie.  Just ad Godzilla.


    It was startling (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Mar 26, 2024 at 08:28:16 PM EST
    how fast the whole thing collapsed. I've been over and under that bridge many times

    This (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Mar 26, 2024 at 04:43:06 PM EST
    Not just your neighbor. (none / 0) (#89)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Mar 26, 2024 at 11:17:00 PM EST
    Former 60 Minutes correspondent Lara Logan has likewise cast herself adrift in the misty fogbanks of QAnon crackpot-inspired lunacy. She's gone totally Looney Tunes and embraced her inner cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

    6 workers are dead... (none / 0) (#90)
    by desertswine on Wed Mar 27, 2024 at 10:05:28 AM EST
    They were repairing potholes in the roadway.  All are reported to be immigrants from Latin American countries.

    I think the Florida supreme court (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Apr 01, 2024 at 06:14:52 PM EST
    Also (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Apr 01, 2024 at 06:58:06 PM EST
    every rep running is going to have to answer how they stand on the issue. Another F-up by DeSantis.

    From what I read, a constitutional amendment (none / 0) (#94)
    by Peter G on Tue Apr 02, 2024 at 09:12:11 AM EST
    referendum in Florida requires a 60% majority to carry. The Ohio referendum got 57%, which by any normal standard is a near landslide. Can the supporters turn out enough votes in Florida to reach 60?

    I guess we will find out (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 02, 2024 at 09:47:40 AM EST
    my money is on yes.

    But the bottom line is even if democrats don't win they are going to have to spend a lot of money, that they do not have, to make that happen.

    Money they hoped to spend in MI, WI and PA.


    This (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Apr 02, 2024 at 09:50:33 AM EST
    Florida State is comprised of 10 MARKETS:



    There (none / 0) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 03, 2024 at 05:34:01 AM EST
    was a referendum in 2018 I think that passed with over 60% but then the legislature refused to honor the will of the voters. In Ohio the legislators are still threatening to overturn the will of the voters. I believe choice is more supported in Florida than Ohio but certainly with 60% it is a higher hurdle to pass.

    AXIOS (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 03, 2024 at 07:24:37 AM EST

    Abortions surged in Florida after last year's U.S. Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade that removed long-standing federal protections for the procedure.

    Driving the news: Clinician-provided abortions in Florida increased by a total of 20,460 in the year after the ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, according to the Society of Family Planning's #WeCount report.

    A lot of (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 03, 2024 at 08:24:34 AM EST
    that is people from S. GA. going over the state line for care since abortion is pretty much banned here in Ga. Whichever state is closer, NC or FL, is where people go. Too bad GA decided it was okay when they voted in 2022.

    Yes (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 03, 2024 at 01:12:24 PM EST
    This wont just effect FL.

    the south is pretty gone at this point.  


    The Jim Crow (none / 0) (#106)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 03, 2024 at 06:33:45 PM EST
    states have done it again.

    World Central Kitchen. (none / 0) (#97)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Apr 02, 2024 at 12:22:48 PM EST
    7 Workers killed by the IDF. This is an organization that I have been supporting financially for a couple of years now. I regularly donate to WCK.

    I am now convinced it is the goal of Netanyahu and the Israeli military to kill as many people in Gaza as they possibly can. Without regard to who they are. They will kill Palestinians, Americans, Poles, hostages, whomever. This is a genocide.

    Joe Biden, stop providing weapons to Israel. Send them to Ukraine where they are needed.

    The more I see on this story (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Apr 05, 2024 at 05:36:48 PM EST
    the completely PI$$ED off I get. Eff Israel, eff the IDF, eff Netanyahu.

    I get solicitations everyday for donations (that's the downside of giving to anyone. Once you do, you end up on everyone else's mailing list).

    I never got a solicitation from WCK. I was moved by Jose Andres actions in Puerto Rico after the hurricane. It was then that I started sending them checks.

    The idea that the IDF targeted these workers is a war crime. Anyone and everyone connected to this action should be turned over to the International Court of Justice in Den Hague. If found guilty, apply the same punishment given at Nuremburg.

    You can't cry about the Holocaust for 70 years and then carry out one of your own.


    The Israelis or the weapons? (none / 0) (#98)
    by jondee on Tue Apr 02, 2024 at 12:32:23 PM EST
    Both? (none / 0) (#99)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Apr 02, 2024 at 03:29:29 PM EST
    The Gaza Mess (none / 0) (#104)
    by RickyJim on Wed Apr 03, 2024 at 09:20:14 AM EST
    One of the better articles I've read that tries to explain US strategy is this interview of former State Department official Aaron David Miller by Isaac Chotiner. Some choice quotes:
    And, yes, the President is hemorrhaging support among progressives and more than a few mainstream Democrats, but pressing Israel, using this leverage, particularly on military systems, is going to stir up a hornet's nest among Republicans, conservatives, and the presumptive Republican nominee, who fashions himself as the most pro-Israel President in history. The Republican Party has emerged as the Israel-Can-Do-No-Wrong Party.
    Oh, if you're asking me: Do I think that Joe Biden has the same depth of feeling and empathy for the Palestinians of Gaza as he does for the Israelis? No, he doesn't, nor does he convey it. I don't think there's any doubt about that. ♦

    Donald Trump is not pro-Israel. (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Apr 06, 2024 at 02:40:27 AM EST
    He's certainly not pro-American. Rather, he's unabashedly pro-Trump. Always has been, always will be. Once you understand that, then you realize that to him, everything else is transactional. He'll support Israel only so long as he perceives it to be to his personal benefit. And once he thinks it isn't anymore, he won't be. Aloha.

    "Israel-Can-Do-No-Wrong"? (none / 0) (#115)
    by john horse on Thu Apr 11, 2024 at 09:51:25 AM EST
    So how is that working?

    Regarding Biden and Palestine, I consider myself a progressive, against the Israeli governments apartheid/genocidal policies, and a Biden supporter.  

    Netanyahu is on a march of folly in Gaza.  What he has done in Gaza is nothing less than state sponsored terrorism.  His actions in Gaza have been so inhumane that it has shifted mainstream Democratic attitudes, especially Biden.  The  Israel-Can-Do-No-Wrong Party was the Democratic Party.  Thanks to Netanyahu it no longer is.



    Little 'Amaleks' grow up (none / 0) (#118)
    by jondee on Thu Apr 11, 2024 at 07:22:21 PM EST
    to be big Amaleks, is the predominant Israeli mentality. Now they're trying to drag the U.S into their problems with Iran.

    Also worth noting in passing: in the twenty years that the Vietnam War dragged on, 63 journalists were killed in the field; since October 7th, 95 journalists and media workers have been killed in Gaza. That's some precision targeting. Dead men tell no tales.

    What were you doing in n this date (none / 0) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Apr 11, 2024 at 08:04:27 PM EST
    June 17, 1994

    I was at work at Digital Domain in Venice CA.  The whole company was in the big screen room watching the chase

    Now we'll never know.. (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by desertswine on Thu Apr 11, 2024 at 09:37:01 PM EST
    who the "real" killer(s) is(are).