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    DeSantis (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 21, 2024 at 02:32:04 PM EST
    drops out and endorses Trump. Kinda glad I won't be seeing him in the political news anymore. he has to go down as one of the worst politicians in history. It seems Florida pols don't play in the rest of the coutry see Bush, Jeb and Rubio, Marco.

    At least the (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 21, 2024 at 03:00:18 PM EST
    nation dodged the DeSantis.bullet. Now sane Floridians will suffer the damage he inflicted in his quest for the unobtainable. He returns to Tallahassee to pick up where he left off--ignoring the windstorm insurance crisis, battling Mickey Mouse, killing citizens with irresponsible Covid/vaccine policies, and identifying scapegoats such as trans kids and gays for his gross incompetence.

    How did this guy get elected (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 21, 2024 at 03:39:27 PM EST
    I've never seen a politician who enjoyed politics less. Or was worse at it. Even Nixon was able to laugh at a joke without looking dangerous.

    I've watched him and thought, he enjoys being around these people as much as I would.  


    When he (none / 0) (#22)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 21, 2024 at 03:46:51 PM EST
    finishes his term, I see a bright future for him as Mayor of The Villages and Vice Presiden in charge of Golf Carts.

    What baffles me is how he was re-elected (none / 0) (#23)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 21, 2024 at 06:51:07 PM EST
    He squeaked by Gillum the first time, but was re-elected over Crist in a landslide. Someone remind or explain to me how that happened.

    I (none / 0) (#25)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 06:20:01 AM EST
    will try.

    Even though DeSantis has negative charisma, Chris (ex Republican) had zero.

    Democrats in disarray, is a perfect description of the state party apparatus.



    FL is a state of (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 06:39:47 AM EST
    Massive media markets.  There is much less focus on in person campaigning.  Mostly done through media and ads.

    Must have had something to do with it.

    Plus Crist was a terrible candidate.


    A large (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 10:05:59 AM EST
    part of the problem appears to be FL D primary voters. They picked Gillum when Gwen Graham would have probably won. They picked Crist who has lost election after election over Nikki Fried who actually was elected statewide.

    Just my opinion anyway. I have heard a number of times that the voters in FL 'picked the wrong candidate".


    How DeSantis Got Reelected (none / 0) (#53)
    by john horse on Wed Jan 24, 2024 at 09:56:15 AM EST
    Florida is a red state.  The Republicans have controlled the governorship and the state legislature since 1999.  And it has become more red over the years, not less.  

    For Republicans this means that they are less worried about the general election and more worried about the primary.  As a result the party has increasingly tacked to the right or far right.  We've had the tea party candidate in Rick Scott and the MAGA candidate in Desantis.  

    I think that what Florida Democrats, as the minority party, have hoped for is that they could appeal to enough disaffected mainstream Republicans to win statewide.  That explains why they nominated Charlie Crist, the last mainstream Republican Governor of this state.

    The problem with the MAGA/Tea Party Republicans that control this state is that their policies are unpopular.  Most Floridians do not favor the 6-week abortion ban, book bans, the anti-"woke" nonsense, etc. Hopefully the political pendulum will eventually swing back towards normal.


    their policies are unpopular (none / 0) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 24, 2024 at 10:15:08 AM EST
    Exactly.  I think the problem is a weak disorganized democratic party.  Its hard to believe there are not enough democrats if a serious (with national backing) candidate showed up.

    Since Nikki Fried (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 24, 2024 at 10:28:14 AM EST
    took over the party in FL they have been doing much better just flipping a red legislative seat last week. Despite the number of Registered Republicans in FL D's are winning through persuasion of disaffected R's and Independents. It doesn't take that many Republicans to not vote R to change things. DeSantis voters are swearing they will never vote for Trump. We will see if that holds or if they fall in line like they always do.

    I suspect there are (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 24, 2024 at 10:29:41 AM EST
    unregistered progressives who might register if there was a reason.

    N0 Lack of Issues In Florida (none / 0) (#66)
    by john horse on Fri Jan 26, 2024 at 12:20:29 PM EST
    When you look at what Desantis and the FL GOP hath wrought upon this state:

    extreme abortion restrictions
    anti-gay and anti-trans policies
    book bans and political curriculum changes
    the destruction of New College of Florida, one of the premier educational institutions in this state
    the unnecessary fight with Disney
    Covid misinformation
    firing state attorneys for political reasons

    one of the problems that Florida Democrats will not have is a lack of issues to run on.


    Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 26, 2024 at 01:03:11 PM EST
    He's trying to turn the state blue

    The best (none / 0) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 23, 2024 at 05:58:35 AM EST
    yet is the FL GOP is proposing that the state of FL pay Trump's legal bills. Again there is no bottom with these people.

    "DeSantis drops out and endorses (none / 0) (#32)
    by desertswine on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 02:52:36 PM EST

    "They always bend the knee."  djt


    I (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jan 23, 2024 at 04:46:06 PM EST
    would like to see him lose
    court cases
    his fortune
    his marbles (too late already gone)

    If I rate this it will get lost (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 23, 2024 at 04:59:46 PM EST
    But 5

    Lock him up! (none / 0) (#54)
    by john horse on Wed Jan 24, 2024 at 10:04:21 AM EST
    I would also like to see him lose
    his freedom
    his sh*t (too late already gone)

    New Trump legal filing (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 19, 2024 at 04:50:21 PM EST
    So apparently Trump has a new legal filing that says, among other things, he never took an oath to "support" the Constitution. Only to "preserve, protect and defend it".

    You seriously can't make this sh!t up.

    He (none / 0) (#2)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jan 19, 2024 at 04:57:15 PM EST
    didn't take an oath mot to wipe his ass with it either, yet he did.

    I understand (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 19, 2024 at 05:07:02 PM EST
    Let (none / 0) (#4)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jan 19, 2024 at 05:19:17 PM EST
    the ass kissing line begin Sen.
    Tim Scott is expected to endorse former President Donald Trump for president at a rally in New Hampshire Friday evening, sources confirmed to ABC News

    As proof the Republicans are not a racist party they let the black guy go first.

    Every single one of them (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 19, 2024 at 05:44:37 PM EST
    sould have Trump tied around their necks like a millstone.  They should be made to approve every batch!t utterance.  Every threat.

    How Stupid (none / 0) (#6)
    by jmacWA on Sat Jan 20, 2024 at 05:18:10 AM EST
    is Tim Scott.  He has to be up there near the top of the the list in the GOP... and he has some really stiff competition, so that's no mean feat.

    They all (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 20, 2024 at 07:10:04 AM EST
    are going to bend the knee.

    SC produces some of the biggest clowns in politics and Scott is one of them.


    L.A Innocence Project trying to get Scott Peterson (none / 0) (#8)
    by McBain on Sat Jan 20, 2024 at 09:14:47 AM EST
    out of prison...
    According to ABC's reporting, Ms. Mitchell said that newly discovered evidence had showed "deficiencies" related to police reports, tip sheets and other materials used by both the prosecution and defense. She added that items in the police report were not given to defense attorneys during discovery and that witnesses were "hesitant" or "unwilling" to provide information in the high-profile case.

    "New evidence now supports Mr. Peterson's longstanding claim of innocence and raises many questions into who abducted and killed Laci and Conner Peterson," the filings stated, according to ABC.

    I've always had series issues with his conviction.  Jeralyn  wrote several posts about this case.
    I hope Peterson finally gets a new trial.
    At some point we need to stop allowing the media, activists and special interest lawyers from influencing jurors on high profile trials.  

    My takeaway from his trial (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Jan 20, 2024 at 08:41:34 PM EST
    was that the prosecution proved he was a-hole. But I don't believe they proved he was guilty. My gut feeling is that he probably is guilty. I just didn't see that proved in court.

    That was pretty much my take (none / 0) (#16)
    by McBain on Sun Jan 21, 2024 at 11:15:57 AM EST
    Cheating on his pregnant wife made it harder for people to believe he was fishing on Xmas eve in the same area the bodies were found.  I don't think it would be as easy to convict him if he gets a new trial.  

    Agreed. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 02:02:39 PM EST
    As I remember, Scott Peterson told his girlfriend Amber Frey that he was single and further, he was still seeing her when she first learned of not only his marital status, but also his ties to his wife Laci's disappearance from a TV newscast, when he was named by the authorities as a person of interest. She called the police herself to tell them who she was and what her relationship to the case was.

    You have to admit, Peterson's own disreputable behavior likely made him look suspicious in the eyes of the law. It certainly did in the eyes of Ms. Frey. She cooperated with the authorities, and engaged Peterson in a phone call that was recorded, in which they caught him in more lies.

    Likewise, I agree with you that Peterson likely killed Laci. He was convicted by a not-insignificant amount of circumstantial (but not rock-solid) evidence tying him to her disappearance, particularly to the site on San Francisco Bay where her remains washed up. At best, it was a rather amazing set of coincidences.

    But as we know, it's not what you can reasonably infer from the evidence that's the standard for determining criminal guilt but rather, what you can actually prove in court beyond a reasonable doubt. And while I welcome the California Innocence Project's investigation, I'm not sure if they're going to learn anything new about the case and initial investigation beyond what's already known.

    Given the evidence that was presented at trial, I pretty sure they got the right guy. But I do wish I could say that with a far higher degree of certitude than I could back when Scott Peterson was first convicted.

    I have to respect the jury's verdict, at least for right now. But my question is this: Did jurors reach their decision on the basis of the actual evidence presented at trial, or because the defense failed to effectively offer them a reasonably plausible counter-narrative for what happened to Laci Peterson?



    1. Evidence? (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Yman on Sun Jan 21, 2024 at 11:30:19 AM EST
    What evidence indicates the jurors were influenced by those?

    2.  How?  how would you propose we "stop allowing" it?  Apart from what's already done (jury instructions, etc.).


    If the Tryers of Fact (none / 0) (#18)
    by RickyJim on Sun Jan 21, 2024 at 12:25:16 PM EST
    had to hand in a report explaining how they came to their conclusions, American justice would improve in accuracy. The American legal establishment has always opposed any effort to improve the quality of the tryers, like having the jury pool consist of people that have to pass a test showing they know how to evaluate evidence or have juror be an elected office.

    You can put those ideas up for debate (none / 0) (#24)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 21, 2024 at 07:12:21 PM EST
    when you write your new Constitution. But what you suggest would not be a "trial by jury" as guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment.

    Even if we went to that extreme (none / 0) (#27)
    by McBain on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 09:38:58 AM EST
    trials would still be decided by people who would be bombarded with negative publicity about unpopular defendants.  If the tryers, as you say, have to worry about the consequences of a not guilty verdict to themselves or their community, it's not a fair trial.  

    That is an Argument for Jury Elitism (none / 0) (#29)
    by RickyJim on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 10:21:13 AM EST
    If juries were selected from a much smaller group than the general public, it would easier to protect them from the wrath of those opposed to their decisions and thus they would be more likely to base them on the evidence. By the way, Switzerland elects the jury pool.

    Interesting (none / 0) (#77)
    by Yman on Sun Jan 28, 2024 at 02:15:35 PM EST
    No idea who "the American legal establishment" is, but it sounds like people who are educated in the law and know that a system using "tests" and ignoring juries would violate the Sixth Amendment.

    Also good to know there is zero evidence that the Peterson jury was influenced "the media, activists and special interest lawyers."


    In telling lies about January 6 (none / 0) (#9)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jan 20, 2024 at 10:56:18 AM EST
    ( the debunked "evidence destroyed and his offer of 10,000 soldiers turned down) to a New Hampshire crowd, a befuddled Trump repeatedly blamed Nikki Haley for falling down on her job of security at the Capitol.

     Trump was confusing Nikki Haley for former Speaker Nancy Pelosi.  

    Veep to the rescue (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 20, 2024 at 02:26:50 PM EST
    This is (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 20, 2024 at 02:31:45 PM EST
    honestly hillarious. It's one of the few things he said that actually made me laugh at him. If Haley was a good politician (she's not) she would have a field day with this.

    She is trying (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 20, 2024 at 02:44:13 PM EST

    Second stop of day, second Haley mention of Trump mixing up her and Pelosi at his speech last night. "He got confused. He said he was running against Obama -- he never ran against Obama! Don't put our country at risk."

    Her problem his mental fitness is a pretty settled issue.  Most Trump voters are miles past worrying about that.


    I was thinking (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 20, 2024 at 03:06:30 PM EST
    more of making people laugh at him. It's what he and his cult hate most of all.

    Correct. Pointing out he's not fit brings no one new to the coalition. Hillary pointed that same thing out over and over and it didn't register. Now 8 years on it's not going to register.


    It's a feature, not a bug (none / 0) (#15)
    by jondee on Sun Jan 21, 2024 at 04:59:38 AM EST
    Did you see SNL's cold open? (none / 0) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 02:24:11 PM EST
    James Austin Johnson has all the mannerisms so down pat, he's actually scary-good as Donald Trump:
    "I'm more cognitive than ever!"

    Emphasis is on "scary." While Alec Baldwin played Trump for laughs, Johnson plays it straight and you realize as you watch that this is actually how Trump thinks and talks. It's frightening to think that this malevolent clown is about to sew up the GOP nomination for the third straight time. I mean, WTF happened to my grandfather's Republican Party?

    We're somehow ensnared in a Fellini film.


    Steve Garvey, 75, running CA Senate seat. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 03:20:31 PM EST
    Great. Just what we need in the Senate, another near octogenarian that will need to be pushed around in a wheelchair before his term ends.

    I doubt a Rethug can win Feinstein's seat, so his candidacy is probably a long shot. But I'm tired of people closer to their death, than birth running stuff. And I'm old.

    Garvey (none / 0) (#37)
    by BGinCA on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 05:39:36 PM EST
    While his age is indeed a turn-off the saddest point is that he is running on celebrity and celebrity alone. He has yet to articulate a single policy position. Unfortunately, this is California and it might be enough (cf, Schwarzenneger, Arnold) Thankfully Adam Schiff is a formidable opponent and should easily win this seat.

    He was the first baseman in a legendary Los Angeles Dodgers infield that included 2B Davey Lopes, SS Bill Russel and 3B Ron Cey, who played together for over a decade and anchored a team that won four National League pennants and one World Series

    Garney, was also, if I remember correctly, a serial womanizer whose bedroom exploits scandalized a Los Angeles Dodgers franchise that unduly prided itself on its players' wholesome all-American image. (The Dodgers later shamed themselves with their open hostility toward the late Glenn Burke, who made no effort to hide his homosexuality in front of his teammates and manager Tommy Lasorda.)

    California has a long history of celebrity politicians going back to singer-actress Helen Gahagan Douglas, who was first introduced to Democratic Party politics by her husband, actor Melvyn Douglas, then caught the attention of Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt as an impassioned and effective public advocate for California's migrant labor community, and parlayed her stardom into a U.S. House seat in 1944. But one's celebrity status does not necessarily translate into success at the ballot box.

    To be fair, Steve Garvey was caught between a rock and a hard place in Monday night's Senate debate, trying to appease a Trump-loving Republican base without alienating the far greater number of California voters who absolutely loathe the ex-president.

    Even the nimblest of politicians would likely have trouble trying to thread that particular needle, and Garvey proved himself as anything but adept behind the podium. He certainly didn't do himself any favors, and he may well finish out of the running in California's March 2024 jungle primary election, in which the top two vote-getters overall advance to the November general election, regardless of party.



    Senator Tim Scott (R., S.C.). (none / 0) (#34)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 03:28:58 PM EST
    former Republican presidential primary candidate and possible vice presidential pick by Trump, has popped the question.  The 58-year old "long time bachelor" as styled by the  WaPo in its reporting, proposed marriage to Mindy Noce, 47-year old divorcee.with three children.  

    The joyous occasion, recorded by the senator's PR firm, took place on Kiawah Island beach  braving frigid temperatures and strong winds as romantics do.

    Asked about the engagement to his "Christian girlfriend "  Senator Scott gushed, " It's the most exciting thing I'll do with my life besides making Jesus my Lord".   Scott also endorsed Trump for president rather than Nikki Haley who appointed him to his senate seat when governor of South Carolina.

    Could this be (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 03:37:59 PM EST
    Veep prep?

    One (none / 0) (#36)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 05:25:16 PM EST
    of many I am sure. The Apprentice: VP edition auditions are open.

    What I wonder is (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 05:50:44 PM EST
    is this some deal he made with Trump (weird but tell me weirder things have not happened) because Trump likes the optics
    Is it him thinking it will help seal the deal.

    Or is it love.
    Can be both.

    I have thought for a while he would be a smart choice.  And he has been prostrating himself on cable news.


    Lots of people say (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 22, 2024 at 05:52:30 PM EST
    it will be a woman but ...  meh.   Maybe.

    I have (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 23, 2024 at 05:57:41 AM EST
    read the theory about a woman is it will be easier to go after Kamala and they want to focus on her.

    How could Tr*mp run with a woman? (none / 0) (#44)
    by Peter G on Tue Jan 23, 2024 at 04:22:00 PM EST
    He does not have in his vocabulary or repertoire the ability to refer to or relate to a woman as an equal human, much less one capable of stepping into the role of President of the United States.

    What I am wondering is (none / 0) (#40)
    by jmacWA on Tue Jan 23, 2024 at 05:17:59 AM EST
    IF he loses does he go in for a trim?

    A story of the Tim and Mindy (none / 0) (#48)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jan 23, 2024 at 05:15:50 PM EST
    happy event shows photos of the proposal on the beach, including the best beach picture (scroll down near the bottom of the article) by the creative "Tarquin".  

    The article also features a curious comment by Trump: "Tim Scott is engaged to be married.  We never thought this was going to happen.  What's going on?

    New reporting, based on court documents, indicates that Mindy and her ex-husband were sued in a business con scheme.  The suit was settled out of court.

    Sound like a good choice for Trump's running mate.


    Will tonight be another snore? (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 23, 2024 at 04:07:31 PM EST
    Maybe not.

    It wouldn't matter in the end but I would really like to see Trump lose.  I bet I'm not the only one.

    Yeah, I want to hear (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jan 23, 2024 at 04:28:00 PM EST
    how the Democrats rigged the election if he loses.

    According to what's his name on MSNBC (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 23, 2024 at 06:12:36 PM EST
    According to exit polls only 47% of the turnout in NH is republican.  And 8% democrat.

    This might be an interesting night after all.

    It's might not matter but I hope he loses.

    At least it appears there were more (none / 0) (#50)
    by Peter G on Tue Jan 23, 2024 at 07:21:56 PM EST
    write-ins for Biden, whose name was not on the Dem primary ballot, than votes for Phillips or anyone else.

    As of right now (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 24, 2024 at 06:40:03 AM EST
    it seems Haley is losing by 12 points. Might change but she's definitely not going to win. More interesting is the number of Haley voters that say they will never vote for Trump.

    Serious question (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 24, 2024 at 08:24:52 AM EST
    Is it possible the DC Circuit was waiting until after NH?

    I have heard (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 24, 2024 at 10:29:27 AM EST
    this bandied around but it also seems nobody really knows what is going on with their decision.

    I also don't know if this decision is taking longer than normal or not.


    Which is why (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 24, 2024 at 10:30:26 AM EST
    I asked the lawyers.

    I really don't think so. The most likely (none / 0) (#60)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 24, 2024 at 12:13:49 PM EST
    cause of a delay in issuing an appeals court decision, unfortunately, is the finalizing of a dissent, which of course requires the majority to be finished first so all the judges can comment on each other's views. And in the end, it takes the dissenter's consent to declare the opinion finished, and thus to release it. Where delay equals obstruction, this tradition of collegiality gives the dissenter dangerous power.

    So (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 24, 2024 at 12:43:56 PM EST
    you think one of the 3 judge panel will dissent from NOT giving him blanket immunity?

    Shockingly, yes. That is now (none / 0) (#62)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 24, 2024 at 01:14:29 PM EST
    what I am thinking. Or perhaps writing a concurring (separate but not dissenting) opinion. With the effect (perhaps even intentional) of dragging this out so he cannot be tried before the election.

    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 24, 2024 at 01:18:19 PM EST
    That is (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 25, 2024 at 08:22:54 AM EST
    what Armando seems to think too. That one of the Trumper judges is deliberately slow walking the decision to help Trump.

    T***p (none / 0) (#68)
    by BGinCA on Fri Jan 26, 2024 at 03:47:07 PM EST
    Must pay Carroll $83 mil.  Will she ever see the money?

    I am ready to see Bobbie Kaplan (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Peter G on Fri Jan 26, 2024 at 04:14:17 PM EST
    -- the excellent lawyer who represents E. Jean Carroll (was the winning atty in SCOTUS for Edie Windsor) -- slap a seizure notice on Tr*mp Tower if he doesn't post a good bond to cover the judgment plus interest. And then she can excecute on the bond when he loses the appeal.

    And Judge Engoron (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 26, 2024 at 04:43:43 PM EST
    has said he will try to rule by the end of the month.  That will leave a mark.

    Trump Tower is Owned by GMAC Commercial Mortgage (none / 0) (#74)
    by RickyJim on Fri Jan 26, 2024 at 04:53:11 PM EST
    What about Mar-a-Lago?

    Not enough (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 26, 2024 at 03:57:46 PM EST
    He will be defaming her again before the sun sets

    The fact that the amount is at the low end (none / 0) (#71)
    by Peter G on Fri Jan 26, 2024 at 04:15:23 PM EST
    of what could be viewed as reasonable makes it even more likely to be upheld on appeal.

    Of course (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 26, 2024 at 04:46:07 PM EST
    It's just not IMO enough.  To make the point about how horrible what he did is or to make him stop.

    I know he tweeted without mentioning her. But.  How heavily supervised do you think that tweet was?


    As Joyce Vance (none / 0) (#75)
    by leap2 on Fri Jan 26, 2024 at 07:18:19 PM EST
    points out, "That's an amazing comment on a former president's proclivities."

    erica orden @eorden
    Judge Kaplan, to jurors: "My advice to you is that you never disclose that you were on this jury."

    But Judge Kaplan is correct. He knows how the Orange Men-ass behaves. Like a ten-year old brat.


    Trump Storms Out of Court During Closing (none / 0) (#76)
    by john horse on Fri Jan 26, 2024 at 08:38:33 PM EST
    I heard that Trump stormed out of court during closing arguments.  As a nonlawyer I would think that this is not a smart thing to do.  When things don't go your way, you runaway with your tail between his legs.  Made him looked like a spoiled petulant child who always got his way.

    But seriously lets not forget what was established in court.  Trump defamed a woman that he had sexually assaulted/raped.  He is such a piece of sh*t.