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It's time for a new open thread. In non-Trump news:

  • Sen. Diane Feinstein has died at age 91.
  • El Chapo's youngest son, Ovidio Guzman, has been extradited to Chicago, charged with many crimes, related to cocaine and meth. It's the same 2009 case that began with Vicente Zambada-Niebla, the son of El Mayo, Ismael Zambada-Garcia, who along with El Chapo, led the Sinaloa cartel for many years. Ovidio is charged in the 12th Superseding Indictment in the case. He's pleaded not guilty and is represented by Jeffrey Lichtman, the New York lawyer who was the lead lawyer for El Chapo at his trial, and who then represented El Chapo's wife Emma, who is already done with her prison sentence and back in Mexico with her daughters.
  • The Washington Post reports Yiddish is making a comeback. I only know a few words, since no one in my household spoke it, but here's a phrase I never heard before: "zolst vaksn tzibbeles im pipik" which translates to: "You should grow onions in your belly button".
    It would make a great ending to any post about Donald Trump and his supporters.

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    So do we (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 01:10:48 PM EST
    think Kevin McCarthy survives? I honestly have no idea. Predictions are different depending on who does the talking. My advice to Dems would be just stay out of it and don't save McCarthy as he has shown his word is no good.

    Also Gaetz supposedly going to be kicked out of congress once the ethics report comes out? Seems Kevin is pushing this. If I were in congress I would tell Kevin he had to put Santos up with Gaetz to get my vote.

    Personally (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 02:24:30 PM EST
    I think the fact MAGATs want to get rid of him is enough of a reason to stop them from getting rid of him.

    Certainly whatever came after will not be better and will almost certainly be worse.

    F Matt Gaetz.

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    The problem (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 03:24:36 PM EST
    as I see it is most of the GOP is as bad as the magats. They voted for Kev knowing he made a deal with the devil and now the devil is calling in his cards.

    I would say Kev if you want my vote then you need to drop the impeachment nonsense and put up a funding bill for Ukraine. Also Kev announce to the country that there was nothing found to be impeachable for Biden. It would be a true test as to how craven and desperate Kev was to hold onto the speakership.

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    It (none / 0) (#48)
    by FlJoe on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 03:01:30 PM EST
    seems to me that the Dems don't really need to trust McCarthy, if he depends on their support in any way shape or form he absolutely will not be able to survive if he double crosses them.

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    Well (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 03:25:57 PM EST
    I would hope so but like I said above I would extract some promises from him and if he didn't keep them then immediately vote to vacate.

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    What would be the point (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 03:37:28 PM EST
    of promises?

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    I (none / 0) (#52)
    by FlJoe on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 03:53:04 PM EST
    would put more as assigned "tasks" that must accomplished for continued support.

    McCarthy is a weak and desperate man, he apparently will do anything to stay as speaker even work with Democrats.

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    Pay as you go (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 03:55:07 PM EST
    F with us and you are gone.  A promise from Quevin is worth exactly nothing.

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    And I think it's a big mistake (none / 0) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 03:59:14 PM EST
    to assume it can't get worse. If there is one thing we should have learned, it can always get worse.
    And Gym Jordon would be worse.

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    Considering (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 04:58:10 PM EST
    there is no bottom with the GOP it can always get worse. However if the GOP can't find someone to be speaker there might be a compromise brought up like a retired rep.

    I just don't see the point in rewarding Kev's lies and treason. And an idiotic magat might not get the votes of those 20 in Biden districts.

    Best scenario is the GOP cracks in two and goes the way of the Whigs.

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    I think a pig just flew by the window (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 06:50:47 PM EST

    Clarence Thomas recuses himself as Supreme Court rejects ex-Trump lawyer John Eastman's appeal

    STFU (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 03:37:31 PM EST

    The New York judge presiding over Donald Trump's civil fraud trial on Tuesday issued a gag order after the former president attacked his clerk by name and shared her image on social media," The Messenger reports.

    Said Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron: "Personal attacks on members on my court staff are unacceptable, inappropriate, and I won't tolerate it."

    New York Times: "Mr. Trump attacked the clerk, Allison Greenfield, shortly before noon on his Truth Social site. His post was a picture of Ms. Greenfield with Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic majority leader. Mr. Trump mocked Ms. Greenfield as `Schumer's girlfriend' and said that the case against him should be dismissed.
    Ugh (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 03:43:51 PM EST
    This is one of his worst. The clerk has no power whatsoever and is just doing a job.

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    A historic first! (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 03:55:34 PM EST
    Matt Gaetz screwed someone old enough to drink.

    Adam Sciff (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by BGinCA on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 03:58:11 PM EST
    `quoted "The Big Lebowski" in reference to Gaetz and their agreement over removing McCarthy: "You're not wrong, Walter. You're just an a------."'

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    The long (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 04:35:47 PM EST
    knives are out for him now.

    I can't imagine they get another speaker for quite a while.

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    I wouldn't rule out guns (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 04:53:40 PM EST

    Chip Roy goes after Gaetz: "You want to come at me and call me a RINO you can kiss my ass! You go around talking your big game and thumping your chest on Twitter. Come in my office and have a debate mother ---!"

    Gaetz could get the boot.

    If he did, the Speaker going after Biden loses his job and then the guy who made him lose his job gets kicked out of congress.

    Joe continues.

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    McCarthy (none / 0) (#88)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 05:31:05 PM EST
    going after Dems and blaming them for an almost shutdown was the epitome of stupid. Kevin's reputation of being not so bright has been confirmed.

    I saw a picture from the Weekly Standard that is going around titled "Young Guns" with a picture of Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor and McCarthy. All three have fallen now. The press was asking McCarthy if he was going to resign his seat. He didn't answer.

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    They will blame us (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 05:40:19 PM EST
    for making them nominate Trump.

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    Well (none / 0) (#92)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 06:51:23 PM EST
    I had a discussion with a conservative who blamed us for nominating Hillary. I said the people who are responsible for Trump are the people that voted for him and the GOP that nominated him. Funny how "personal responsiblity" only applies to other peopel with them. Besides Hillary warned them but they didn't listen. They didn't even listen to what Trump himself said or they liked what he said. This is their problem. They created the Frankenstein's monster and it didn't happen overnight. Years of radicalization from Fox News and talk radio brought them to where they are and how their voters behave. After all Tom Barack told Trump if he wanted to win the GOP nomination just listen to talk radio for a year. It worked.

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    I'd like to hear... (none / 0) (#109)
    by Jack E Lope on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 01:14:37 PM EST
    ...various Democratic members of The House thanking one or another of the 8 Republicans - by name - for voting-with-us-Dems. Maybe it should wait for campaign ads, so the low-information voters can forget the context.

    "I hope to find common ground with Elijah Crane and Andy Wood, as we did last October, when they voted with all of the Democrats."

    That might be very effective on GQP voters - even on those who are not members of The House.

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    Not (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 02:14:03 PM EST
    bad

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    A little good news ? (5.00 / 3) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 05, 2023 at 08:04:50 PM EST

    Court picks new Alabama congressional map that will likely flip one seat to Democrats
    The map will likely add a Black -- and Democratic -- member to the delegation

    So I mentioned the mayor (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 06, 2023 at 03:58:47 PM EST
    who ran afoul of public bathroom order recently.  And I said I had not met him.  

    I met him today.  There was an interesting speaker at our "Spring River Gem and mineral Club" meeting, a paleontologist geologist talking about early humans in the area, and the mayor came.

    He is a very nice surprisingly smart fellow.

    Did you get a chance to tell him (none / 0) (#127)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 07, 2023 at 10:14:46 AM EST
    about the upsurge of nationwide support for him you generated here, after his unjust arrest?

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    I did. (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 07, 2023 at 10:59:57 AM EST
    And not just here.

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    Alabama banned (5.00 / 3) (#134)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 09, 2023 at 03:41:20 PM EST
    the child's picture book "Read to me Stella" because the author's surname is Gay.   The picture book by Marie-Louise Gay was banned, the report as if  from the Onion, but it is not.

    Go Ducks... (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 14, 2023 at 09:01:17 AM EST


    Sen Feinstein was probably the strongest supporter (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Oct 19, 2023 at 01:31:06 PM EST
    in California history for the development of drinking water for California citizens.

    The Metropolitan Municipal Water District, the largest water supplier in the US, will be renaming their largest reservoir, Diamond Valley Lake, to the Dianne Feinstein Lake at Diamond Valley.

    Her tireless efforts will be missed.

    We deserve better (1.67 / 3) (#35)
    by coast on Sun Oct 01, 2023 at 08:40:34 AM EST
    This past week showed the backside of both parties.  You had Replubicans pulling the government to the brink of shutdown because of in-fighting over an issue that had already been agreed upon.  Democrats could have taken that as a win, but instead said "hold my beer" and had a member allegedly pulled a fire alarm in an apparent attemp to interfer with the vote to keep the government open.  Then you had Democrats complaining that their staff didn't have time to review the 70 page CR.  Wait what?!?  This is the same party that passed a 10,000 page bill that no one was sure what it actually contained and you're complaining about a 70 page bill.  Please spare me.

    We deserve better than what both parties showed us this past week.

    Bowman (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 01, 2023 at 03:54:24 PM EST
    is an idiot but you are not using all the facts. Kevin wanted to vote immediately before people had time to read the bill but Jeffries had that managed.

    I believe the whole "didn't read the bill" is a conservative propaganda talking point. Max Baucus said he didn't read the entire bill or somesuch. It's amazing how if you repeat a lie conservatives will automatically believe it. No critical thinking skills at all it seems.

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    Stand corrected (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by coast on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 07:56:00 AM EST
    I wasn't trying to push a talking point.  Nothing I had read prior to my post detailed how the bill was being voted, just that Clark had asked for a delay.  After reading more I stand corrected regarding the point on Clark.

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    I Still Don't Get It (none / 0) (#1)
    by RickyJim on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 11:48:50 AM EST
    I keep reading that a band of 10 MAGA House of Representatives members are preventing an agreement to pass some sort of government spending bill to prevent an immanent shutdown of the US federal government.  How is that possible?  Shouldn't the bills still pass by 425-10? TIA

    The (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 01:36:26 PM EST
    Hastert Rule

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    Not "they are never too young" (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 03:15:39 PM EST
    The OTHER Hastert Rule

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    According to Wikipedia (none / 0) (#22)
    by RickyJim on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 07:40:19 PM EST
    The Hastert Rule is an informal rule and the Speaker is not bound by it; they may break it at their discretion. Speakers have at times broken the Hastert Rule and allowed votes to be scheduled on legislation that lacked majority support within the Speaker's own party. Dennis Hastert alleged the rule as being "kind of a misnomer" in that it "never really existed" as a rule.
    In any case, it is another abomination that wouldn't be there if we had proportional representations and more than 2 political parties.

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    Never existed as a rule (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 08:03:12 PM EST
    yet they demand it is enforced on every vote for years.

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    I (none / 0) (#2)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 12:56:40 PM EST
    think there are some poison pills in there that no Democrats will vote for.

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    If (none / 0) (#3)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 12:57:50 PM EST
    the Democrats agree they will do the same things in 30 days.

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    The first FLIPPER (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 03:24:28 PM EST

    First Co-Defendant Takes Plea Deal in Trump's Georgia Election Case

    He promises (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 03:45:09 PM EST
    to testify. I am guessing this is worse news for Kraken.

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    And considering he (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 03:46:38 PM EST
    plead to misdemeanors and 5 years probation he certainly doesn't have a Trump financed attorney. LOL.

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    Don't expect he will be (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 03:47:44 PM EST
    the last FLIPPER

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    Like (none / 0) (#11)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 04:41:21 PM EST
    this
    Fulton County prosecutor Nathan Wade confirmed that district attorney Fani Willis' office would allow attorneys Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell to plead guilty in exchange for lesser sentences, although he didn't offer any details about terms of the proposed agreement, reported Politico's Kyle Cheney.


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    The (none / 0) (#13)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 04:43:59 PM EST
    real question now is who will be the last flipper who escapes jail time.

    It's no surprise that a bail bondsman was the first one looking for an escape hatch.


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    I can't (none / 0) (#14)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 04:57:12 PM EST
    imagine that any of the other lower level GA defendants are going to get the deal Hall got especially any of the Coffee County defendants. Cathy Latham should just plead to get a lesser sentence in jail and maybe negotiate to serve her time near her home. Shafer would just get a lesser sentence too as almost all the fake electors have pled already.

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    Joyce Vance (none / 0) (#24)
    by leap2 on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 10:14:06 PM EST
    explains how plea deals are done.

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    I reading lots of unhappiness (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 05:28:38 PM EST
    that he got no jail time.  No idea how much public opinion effects the decisions but I personally think there should be no more get out of jail free cards.  

    If there is there will be backlash.  But I absolutely expect a run on plea deals.

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    That guy (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 05:57:31 PM EST
    has been described as "a lynchpin"

    So......

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    Scott Hall (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 30, 2023 at 08:19:25 AM EST
    is David Bossie's brother in law. That should explain a lot...

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    Scott Hall (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 30, 2023 at 08:19:25 AM EST
    is David Bossie's brother in law. That should explain a lot...

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    Yeah, (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 07:22:42 PM EST
    I get it. I will have to wait and see if this guy's testimony is worth getting out of jail. He apparently did speak with Jeffrey Clark directly. So he may be a more valuable witness than it appears on the surface.

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    Anyone have reliable information about (none / 0) (#10)
    by Peter G on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 04:04:45 PM EST
    how, and how soon, California will get a second U.S. Senator?

    Newsom (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by BGinCA on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 05:44:32 PM EST
    Will appoint a replacement. When  Harris became VP he took five weeks to appoint Alex Padilla as her replacement. He has pledged to appoint a Black woman as interim Senator who will serve until Jan 1 2025 when they will be replaced by an elected Senator. Rep Barbara Lee who is an announced candidate has said she would not accept the appointment.
    Hopefully 5 weeks is an outer limit

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    This is good at least (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 04:41:24 PM EST

    GOP Will Let Democrats Replace Feinstein on Judiciary
    September 29, 2023 at 5:31 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment

    "Top Republican senators said Friday they won't try to prevent Democrats from replacing the late Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) on the Judiciary Committee after the vacancy left Democrats without a majority on the key panel," NBC News reports.

    "Feinstein's death means the key panel that processes President Joe Biden's judicial nominees is now split evenly, 10 to 10, between Democrats and Republicans. A tie vote means a nominee fails to advance out of committee, meaning Democrats would need at least some GOP support to send any potential judges to the full Senate."

    Assuming they don't change their "mind"

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    On social (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 04:58:27 PM EST
    media there is a push to get Barbara Boxer to fill out Feinstein's term. I think the primary is currently happening.

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    I really hope social media (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 05:25:32 PM EST
    has nothing to do with it.

    This is from CBS

    A potential replacement for Feinstein is California Secretary of State Shirley Weber, a 75-year-old Black woman who was formerly a member of the California State Assembly.

    That would be a temp

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    That would (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 29, 2023 at 07:23:52 PM EST
    be a better pick than Barbara Lee.

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    Doesn't (none / 0) (#25)
    by FlJoe on Sat Sep 30, 2023 at 05:23:13 AM EST
    Susan Rice live in Cali. Qualified and as a bonus tue Goopers heads will explode


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    Go Terps! (none / 0) (#28)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Sep 30, 2023 at 02:44:47 PM EST
    25 seconds against Indiana and MD scores.

    Shutdown averted according to Huffpost (none / 0) (#29)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Sep 30, 2023 at 02:48:10 PM EST
    I am not happy about cutting aid to Ukraine.

    Armando says that the Ukraine provision (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 30, 2023 at 04:28:43 PM EST
    is meaningless, because U.S. military aid is funded much more than 45 days in advance. Current authorization to spend does not depend on an immediate appropriation. As long as the provision is reinstated during or at the end of this CR.

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    F the Hastert Rule (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 30, 2023 at 02:49:06 PM EST

    This bill passed the House by a vote of 331-97.

    There should be consequences (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 30, 2023 at 06:23:05 PM EST
    for the D-bag who pulled the fire alarm.  Nice job stepping on the good news.

    He's (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 30, 2023 at 06:59:52 PM EST
    one of Bernie's socialist candidates and he's an idiot. Jamaal Bowman. However it doesn't require putting him in jail like the treason caucus wants to do.

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    I am (none / 0) (#36)
    by FlJoe on Sun Oct 01, 2023 at 01:43:20 PM EST
    so stealing this
    Instead, the press has succumbed to the numbing effect of   the Banality of Crazy, once reporting on every single Trump tweet in early 2017 because it was unusual, but now ignoring even the most dangerous policy proposals by an authoritarian who is on the cusp of once again becoming the most powerful man in the world--precisely because it happens, like clockwork, almost every day.
    I heard (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 01, 2023 at 03:55:59 PM EST
    Molly Jong Fast talking about that this morning and it seems to be true as Trump's statement about killing Gen. Milley didn't register in the news.

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    Howdy (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 01, 2023 at 03:57:00 PM EST
    I am just now hearing about Aunt Lydia and all her scams and lies in Arkansas like she paid for a friend to go to France and falsified a document saying it was for a podium. Are the citizens of AR going to have enough of this or continue to take it?

    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2023 at 04:50:38 PM EST
    The thing about her pushing through a law restricting FOIA requests makes more sense now.

    Whistleblower says governor's office illegally altered, withheld records related to podium purchase


    In the letter, Mars said his client can prove that someone in Sanders' office altered documents that Campbell had requested through the Arkansas FOIA and that Sanders' office pressured another government agency to withhold from the public documents that should have been made available.

    His client is willing to give a statement to legislative auditors under oath, Mars said, and can provide documents for them to review.



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    19k (none / 0) (#76)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 02:44:51 PM EST
    That's one helluva podium. A product the company's willing to stand behind.

    I smell a kickback.

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    A out your question (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2023 at 04:53:33 PM EST
    I've always thought she would be one term.

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    Are they (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 01, 2023 at 05:11:13 PM EST
    going to make her powerless any time soon since she has 2 more years?

    I guess the AR GOP can errupt into a civil war like the GA GOP has and then basically nothing gets done except maybe budgets.

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    I (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2023 at 05:25:20 PM EST
    Doubt it

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    Howdy (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 01, 2023 at 03:57:01 PM EST
    I am just now hearing about Aunt Lydia and all her scams and lies in Arkansas like she paid for a friend to go to France and falsified a document saying it was for a podium. Are the citizens of AR going to have enough of this or continue to take it?

    It would be weird (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 05:39:30 PM EST
    if Qevin ushered in a new wave of bipartisanship

    Punchbowl News: "House Democratic leadership told us they haven't heard anything from Speaker Kevin McCarthy about his quest to retain the speakership. The conventional wisdom was McCarthy would need Democrats to survive."

    "But more importantly, leadership sources tell us that their caucus - ranging from progressives to moderates - won't help protect McCarthy unless he makes substantial changes to the way the House works."

    "In other words, helping McCarthy won't come for free."

    Said House Minority Whip Katherine Clark: "If and when we have a motion to vacate, we will come together as a caucus and we're gonna have a discussion about how to best move forward that's in the best interest of families at home. And we just have to wait and see how this civil war plays out."
    Hee (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 06:01:35 PM EST

    "I am not a cheap date."

    -- Rep. James McGovern (D-MA),



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    bipartisanship? (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by jmacWA on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 05:22:39 AM EST
    I don't want ANY bipartisanship, unless we can guarantee that it's meaning has changed from today's meaning, which is:  Democrats give in to Republicans.  You rarely, if EVER, see Republicans giving up anything significant in the name of bipartisanship/.

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    I get it. (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 12:13:55 PM EST
    Between W's definition of bipartisan which was pass GOP legislation while peeling off a D or 2 and then Obama giving the GOP 98% of what they wanted the whole defintion has become distorted.

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    Well (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 02, 2023 at 06:41:16 PM EST
    I agree with that. Sounds like unless Kevin comes with hat in hand he gets nothing.

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    He's our man (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 09:29:07 AM EST

    Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) told Punchbowl News that McCarthy's supporters will continue to put him back up for speaker and will continue putting him up until they have him back if he is removed.



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    And what a man (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 09:47:38 AM EST

    When asked if he would pursue a power sharing agreement with Democrats to save his job, Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) said: "That doesn't work, we're in the majority. You don't surrender."



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    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 09:49:49 AM EST

    After Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) filed his motion to vacate and left the House floor yesterday, "the Democratic side of the House erupted in laughter," Punchbowl News reports.



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    One of the reasons (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 02:22:09 PM EST
    the motion to vacate is going through.

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    So Gaetz (none / 0) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 04:53:56 AM EST
    has filed a motion to vacate the speakership and says he has the votes to remove McCarthy. I guess we shall see if McCarthy shows up at Hakeem's office begging for mercy.

    Gaetz probably doesn't realize it but Jeffries is now more powerful and the power broker for the house.

    McCarthy (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 09:22:55 AM EST
    has called Jeffries and Jeffries basically told him to pound sand. There was no interest in helping him save his job and I really can't blame him after McCarthy's lies. McCarthy then goes to the press and says he won't deal with Democrats. Oh, well, don't deal then you're done as speaker.

    Can the GOP even get a speaker? I have to wonder. It seems that no one is really interested and I can't blame them.

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    The bobbleheads (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 10:21:11 AM EST
    keep saying McCarthy has to have democratic votes to survive.

    This is not true.

    All he needs is for some democrats to vote present and lower the number he needs to win.

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    Do you (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 12:38:44 PM EST
    think that will happen? The interview I heard earlier today basically said the GOP needs to wallow in their own self created pig sty.

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    I don't think anyone knows (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 12:43:03 PM EST
    I'm sure deals are being passed around behind the scenes.

    I appreciate Dems are focused on being united.  Very smart,

    I was just about to Google, maybe someone knows-

    Can impeachment continue without a Speaker or do they have to do that before anything else?

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    Yes, it can (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 12:47:57 PM EST

    This would be a different situation than in January, when the House started a new session and could not start any legislative business until a speaker was elected. Because it was the beginning of a new Congress, the House needed to elect a speaker in order to swear in members and pass the rules package. If McCarthy is ousted now, the new acting speaker pro tempore would take the gavel for the short term. An election for a permanent speaker could be delayed until the House was prepared to move forward.



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    This is interesting (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 01:00:22 PM EST
    Had not seen this bit. So I wonder if "the list" might have been part of the deal he made with the crazies to be Speaker. Speaker Green?

    If a majority of the House votes to adopt Gaetz's resolution, the Office of the Speaker would be declared vacant. This would not immediately trigger a new speaker election, however, because of a succession list McCarthy, R-Calif., submitted to the House clerk in January. That list isn't public.

    Since 2003, House rules have required the speaker to submit a list of names to the clerk of members to act in the case of his or her vacancy.



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    I wonder (none / 0) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 02:26:08 PM EST
    if there is any order to it like 1, 2, 3 etc. or just random names.

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    Please (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 03:16:23 PM EST
    let it be Margie 3 Toes

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#94)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 12:05:56 AM EST
    The final straw was Speaker McCarthy's appearance on CBS News' "Face the Nation" on Sunday, where he attempted to blame for his own failure to herd a sufficient number of cats from his own caucus to pass a continuing resolution to continue funding the government. Host Margaret Brennan fact-checked him right then and there, noting that more Democrats than Republicans actually voted for the CR.

    Speaker Pro Tem Patrick McHenry's (R-NC) very first act tonight, just a couple hours after becoming interim speaker, was to order Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to vacate her Capitol building office so he could take it over. What a petulant little pissant!

    The GOP is a malevolent clown car.

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    McHenry (none / 0) (#95)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 08:21:36 AM EST
    is a clown. They are all grievance clowns. Also pointed out why Dems wouldn't vote for McCarthy was his defense of J6.

    On Morning Joe they were pointing out that McCarthy did every crazy thing the right wing wanted so the next person will just continue the nonsense. If I were a Republican in a Biden district I would be looking at my own political death.

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    I think Qevin got what he deserved (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 09:54:33 AM EST
    but, I said before it happened it could get worse.

    The next few months are going to be ugly.  There's some really important stuff right around the corner.  And

    "I'm not sure this is penetrating with Democrats," (Jake) Sherman said. "I don't know a single candidate for speaker that would put funding for Ukraine on the floor. These kinds of issues - I understand Democrats had to do what they did. They consider this an internal party fight. Even the things to keep, like Ukraine funding, which we staked as a country and government a lot of our credibility on, that's not going to come to the floor, period, the end. I don't know anyone who would."



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    They may end (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 09:59:49 AM EST
    up completely destroying themselves.

    However I am beyond tired of the press saying that Democrats need to save the GOP. If we keep saving them it is only going to slow the slide of the GOP. Perhaps a radical situation will finally force some of them to do something.

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    And 5 Republicans could (none / 0) (#99)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 10:02:24 AM EST
    solve this problem in 2 seconds by voting for Hakeem for leader. He certainly would bring Ukraine funding up for a vote.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 10:10:01 AM EST
    I heard some Dem congressman yesterday say "how could it get worse?  We walked right up to a default.  We walked right up to closing the govt.  How could it get worse?"

    Well, genius, heres how it could get worse.  You could default on the debt and shut down the govt.  THATS how it could get worse.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#102)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 10:43:12 AM EST
    we were at default before. However their wall street funders said they would pull all support for any GOP candidate if that happened. Will they defy Wall Street this time? I guess they could but they worship money more than anything. They would immediately put the entire country into a depression but maybe that is what they want.

    Frankly I am more worried about the press and their same siderism so that voters won't know who did it.

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    There is (none / 0) (#97)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 09:56:51 AM EST
    even no guarantee Kevin would have brought it to the floor. That is one of the problems that Dems had with the CR even though they voted for it.

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    Trying to make a side deal (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 10:05:41 AM EST
    on Ukraine is one of the things that got him in trouble.

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    What Would it Take (none / 0) (#106)
    by RickyJim on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 12:33:55 PM EST
    to have the US House of Representatives run under the rule that a bill comes up for consideration within 3 days if a majority of its members petitions for such?  A constitutional amendment?

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    Remember (none / 0) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 10:54:09 AM EST
    Jake Sherman also said if the Dems voted to save McCarthy that he would become powerless in his own caucus. Gaetz would still be holding all the cards.

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    It's not out of the realm of possibility ... (none / 0) (#104)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 11:05:53 AM EST
    ... that enough moderate Republicans will finally bolt from their own chaotic caucus and make common cause with House Democrats for the remainder of this Congress. I wouldn't bet the farm on it, of course. It really all depends upon just enough of them seeing that threading this particular needle represents their only realistic shot at political survival next year.

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    Sadly (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 12:30:42 PM EST
    I think republicans are more likely to sprout wings and fly into the west as make common cause with democrats.

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    We (none / 0) (#108)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 01:10:54 PM EST
    can hope that political survival instincts will kick in for some of these mooks.

    Why choose party loyalty when said party is in the middle of a civil war.

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    I have been (none / 0) (#111)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 01:58:44 PM EST
    waiting for that for 8 years and yet it hasn't happened yet. You would think at some point they would get tired of being Trump's losers.

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    You're probably right. (none / 0) (#119)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 05, 2023 at 04:05:55 PM EST
    CaptHowdy: "I think republicans are more likely to sprout wings and fly into the west as make common cause with democrats."

    And if that's the case, then things could get very ugly for the GOP next year. So be it.

    I mean, they have a current duel for House Speaker right now with "I'm David Duke without the baggage" on one side, and the former Ohio State "I know nothing!" wrestling coach on the other.

    The GOP's MAGAyahoo base will love it, but I can't imagine many others who will.

    Aloha.

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    Jordan turns a blind eye (none / 0) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 05, 2023 at 05:08:56 PM EST
    and Scalise shoots from the hip

    😛

    It's going to be a long year

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    But seriously (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 05, 2023 at 06:25:28 PM EST
    I agree.  They are committing political mass suicide.  It's quite a thing to watch. I think many republicans this week realized what I think has been obvious for a while, the gang of eight don't care about elections.  It's about the money and they would be fine, maybe better, in the minority.

    It seems like that horrifying realization just dawned on a bunch of these hapless republicans.

    It will be very interesting to see what they do now.
    To see what they can do now. Because this is going to get worse in relation to Trumps legal peril.

    I agree there is a possibility for sensible problem solving.  And there is a possibility I will win the LOTTO

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    Adam Kinzinger said yesterday (none / 0) (#122)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Oct 05, 2023 at 06:30:23 PM EST
    it would probably be Jordan.  I can see that .

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    They defnitely (none / 0) (#123)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 05, 2023 at 07:10:15 PM EST
    are hapless along with entitled. It never dawned on them that anybody wouldn't go along with their nonsense and the abused wife wouldn't come to their defense.

    I saw someone make a point that a lot of this is about PR and the GOP sided with crazy. If Jordan is elected speaker it will solidify the fact that the GOP is literally insane.

    The only possibility for any problem solving is for the so called moderate Republicans to have their own insurrection and quit going along with everything the GOP puts out there. Since the one person only needs to vacate the speakership, they can do the same to the crazy.

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    They defnitely (none / 0) (#124)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 05, 2023 at 07:10:15 PM EST
    are hapless along with entitled. It never dawned on them that anybody wouldn't go along with their nonsense and the abused wife wouldn't come to their defense.

    I saw someone make a point that a lot of this is about PR and the GOP sided with crazy. If Jordan is elected speaker it will solidify the fact that the GOP is literally insane.

    The only possibility for any problem solving is for the so called moderate Republicans to have their own insurrection and quit going along with everything the GOP puts out there. Since the one person only needs to vacate the speakership, they can do the same to the crazy.

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    I saw an analogy that (none / 0) (#107)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 01:03:09 PM EST
    hit home with me. Republicans act like wife beaters and expect Democrats to act like the abused wife. They expect us to continue to take it and if we don't we are met with threats of things will be worse if you don't. Democrats finally just said enough, we're sick of it and get help.

    I think those Republicans in swing districts are probably DOA regardless of whether they do their job or not because they are enabling the GOP dysfunction simpy by being a Republican.

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    I (none / 0) (#110)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 01:24:43 PM EST
    would cast the media as the patriarchal religion that enables/covers for it.  

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    Oh (none / 0) (#112)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 01:59:22 PM EST
    they definitely are enablers for sure.

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    So Gaetz (none / 0) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 04:53:56 AM EST
    has filed a motion to vacate the speakership and says he has the votes to remove McCarthy. I guess we shall see if McCarthy shows up at Hakeem's office begging for mercy.

    Gaetz probably doesn't realize it but Jeffries is now more powerful and the power broker for the house.

    Well, it looks (none / 0) (#75)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 02:27:06 PM EST
    like McCarthy is a dead duck if those 11 that voted to go foward with the motion to vacate vote against McCarthy as speaker. It would seem all Dems are present and voting no so far at least.

    McCarthy out (none / 0) (#80)
    by BGinCA on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 03:51:44 PM EST
    Now what?  Apparently a Speaker Pro Temp will be selected from a secret list McCarthy submitted to the clerk in January.

    It's (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 03:52:33 PM EST
    Patrick McHenry

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    How. this (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 04:03:58 PM EST
    hurts Joe Biden, and Democrats in disarry---by Peter Baker.

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    6:30 in the clubhouse (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 05:00:32 PM EST
    CANES AND DENTURES WILL COLLECTED AT THE DOOR

    Jake Sherman

    @JakeSherman
    THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE is meeting tonight at 6:30 p.m.

    w
    @MicaSoellnerDC
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    I am sure (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 05:32:10 PM EST
    it will be a food fight yet again with nothing accomplished. One day they will realize that they are going to have to find something bipartisan because the stuff conservatives want is unpopular.

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    Come on down (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 05:51:43 PM EST

    Georgia Prosecutors Float Plea Deals
    October 3, 2023 at 6:47 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment

    "Fulton County prosecutors are floating plea deals to a number of defendants in the election interference case involving former President Donald Trump," the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports.

    "At least a handful of the now 18 defendants have received offers from the District Attorney's office -- or prosecutors have touched base with their attorneys to gauge their general interest in striking a deal for a reduced charge in exchange for their cooperation."

    "It's common for prosecutors to float plea deals to lower-level defendants in large racketeering cases as they home in on their biggest targets."
    I just (none / 0) (#93)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 03, 2023 at 06:51:49 PM EST
    hope the next sentences include some jail time and no probation only sentences.

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    So far (none / 0) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 02:00:45 PM EST
    we have 2 candidates for speaker:

    Jordan who is an insurrectionist clown among other things and Steve Scalise who has ties to the Ku Klux Klan. I bet they go with the Klan.

    My guess is (none / 0) (#129)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 07, 2023 at 11:08:03 AM EST
    Gym, a speaker in the mold of the longest serving Republican Speaker, Coach.Hastert.  Gym is probably out buying a suit jacket already.  If the Republicans are savvy, they will have their candidate and votes all lined up to avoid the 15 round Hellzapoppin to name the failed Speaker, McCarthy.

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    I was listening to the Bulwark (none / 0) (#131)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 07, 2023 at 04:40:34 PM EST
    on this and they said that Jim Jordan is the kiss of death for the GOP. Scalise is not much better. And don't be surprised if Short Patick is the speaker because "he is there already" and they can't get it together enough to find someone else.

    They said a lot of this depends on whether the spineless "moderates" finally get enough spine to stop a radical from being speaker. He also said so far they have shown no ability to stand up so don't count on it. Plan on just defeating them all in 2024.

    Some predictions on Jordan being speaker are 15-20 seats for Dems in 2024. I think that is low and I would say probably 25.

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    Unfortunately (none / 0) (#132)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Oct 07, 2023 at 05:32:00 PM EST
    I would guess at least 65% of Americans cannot name the Speaker of the House, so not sure what impact this has on House elections.

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    Because (none / 0) (#133)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 07, 2023 at 06:21:32 PM EST
    all the news will be forced to cover Jim Jordan instead of just cable and hear the crazy.

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    Hardwired - absolutely (none / 0) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 06:14:41 PM EST

    Post
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    James Fallows
    @JamesFallows
    This is really important.  

    It's not written down anywhere, like "all the news..." or now "democracy dies ..."  But it is so deeply engrained in mainstream coverage and "framing" of DC that it doesn't need to be said out loud. It's understood.
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    The idea that Ds should have bailed out McCarthy is a codicil of the larger logic of DC punditry in which R bad behavior/destruction is assumed, a baseline like weather, and Ds managing the consequences of that behavior is a given. It's part of DC being hardwired for the GOP.
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    Yep (none / 0) (#116)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 08:01:42 PM EST
    and they never seem to realize that it's been done their way and it didn't work. Time to make the GOP responsible for their actions and recieve some "tough love".

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    A (none / 0) (#118)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 05, 2023 at 05:00:58 AM EST
    million times yes to this.

    I see it hourly on CNN

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    I don't understand why (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 04, 2023 at 09:26:46 PM EST
    the current spammer is putting spam in a thread from 2012.

    Isn't the point for the spam to be seen?

    Go Terps. (none / 0) (#130)
    by Chuck0 on Sat Oct 07, 2023 at 11:21:02 AM EST
    Beat Ohio State.

    They made me do it (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 10, 2023 at 03:07:04 PM EST

    Prosecutors Ask if Trump Will Blame His Lawyers
    October 10, 2023 at 3:11 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 15 Comments

    "Federal prosecutors asked a judge on Tuesday to force former President Donald Trump to tell them months before he goes to trial on charges of seeking to overturn the 2020 election whether he intends to defend himself by blaming the stable of lawyers around him around at the time for giving him poor legal advice," the New York Times reports.

    "In a motion filed to the judge, Tanya S. Chutkan, the prosecutors sought an order that would compel Mr. Trump to tell them by Dec. 18 if he plans to pursue the blame-the-lawyers strategy -- known as an advice of counsel defense -- at his federal election interference trial, which is now set to begin in March in Federal District Court in Washington."
    This is good (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Oct 10, 2023 at 08:14:54 PM EST
    personally I think anyone who would donate to him deserves it but still...

    George Santos Faces New Criminal Charges
    October 10, 2023 at 5:46 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 156 Comments

    A 23-count superseding indictment charges Rep. George Santos (R-NY) with stealing donor IDs and making unauthorized charges to their credit cards.

    "On one occasion, Santos charged $12,000 to the Contributor's credit card, ultimately transferring the vast majority of that money into his personal bank account."
    Howdy (none / 0) (#137)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 10, 2023 at 09:23:20 PM EST
    I see it's really getting hot in Arkansas with your gov. Aunt Lydia I read. I guess she thought she could get away with more lying and scamming after working for Trump. Apparently from what I read even a misdeamor will make her have to resign.

    Yay! (none / 0) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Oct 11, 2023 at 08:06:51 AM EST


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    Howdy (none / 0) (#138)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 10, 2023 at 09:23:20 PM EST
    I see it's really getting hot in Arkansas with your gov. Aunt Lydia I read. I guess she thought she could get away with more lying and scamming after working for Trump. Apparently from what I read even a misdeamor will make her have to resign.

    Breaking (none / 0) (#141)
    by FlJoe on Thu Oct 19, 2023 at 08:58:14 AM EST
    per CNN Sidney Powell pleading guilty, specific charges not staed.

    6 years (none / 0) (#142)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 19, 2023 at 09:48:59 AM EST
    probation. You would think the GOP would quit attacking Fani with these sentences. All I have to say is Powell better have some real goods for that light sentence.

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    Promissing start (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by BGinCA on Thu Oct 19, 2023 at 11:12:36 AM EST
    Agrees to testify against other defendants and turn over any documentation. I'd say they dominoes are beginning to fall.

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    Chesebro (none / 0) (#146)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 19, 2023 at 07:35:01 PM EST
    apparently going to trial as the jury selection starts tomorrow. He seems to think for some reason he can beat the wrap. Powell being out of the trial with him may help or may make it worse if she has evidence against him.

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    Oh (none / 0) (#147)
    by FlJoe on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 11:24:14 AM EST
    oh Domino, Chesbro pleads.

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    That (none / 0) (#148)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 11:40:38 AM EST
    frankly was a shocker. He seemed to think he could beat the wrap but with Powell pleading it seems his attorney put in a proffer this morning that Fani accepted.

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    Felony (none / 0) (#149)
    by FlJoe on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 11:58:01 AM EST
    conspiracy this time, with Trump and the rest specified in the agreement.

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    So (none / 0) (#150)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 12:08:09 PM EST
    no speedy trial?  Boo.

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    Who (none / 0) (#151)
    by FlJoe on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 12:16:16 PM EST
    needs a speedy trial, Friday night bombshells are more entertaining.

    This looks like a big one.

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    Fani (none / 0) (#153)
    by KeysDan on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 01:48:48 PM EST
    doesn't have to show her entire hand with no speedy trials, tipping off TFG and other defendants and co-defendants in the later trials.

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    Sentenced (none / 0) (#152)
    by KeysDan on Fri Oct 20, 2023 at 01:45:34 PM EST
    under Georgia's First Offender Law (Second Chance  Law).  Five years probation, $5, 000. restitution, 100 hours of community service, and letter of apology to the citizens of Georgia (which he has already submitted).  The felony charge is not defined as a crime of moral turpitude, which has meaning in consideration of disbarment in those jurisdictions in which he is member of the bar.

    Gag order: Chesebro cannot have contact with any witness or co-defendant in the case until all trials are completed.  He will be a witness for the prosecution  and provide documents in the trial(s) of those in the racketeering case.

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    Truth Social tonight: (none / 0) (#145)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Oct 19, 2023 at 06:08:12 PM EST
    Sydney who?

    Ha (none / 0) (#154)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Oct 21, 2023 at 07:11:27 PM EST

    CNN
     --
    A judge has rejected three more attempts by former President Donald Trump and the Colorado GOP to shut down a lawsuit seeking to block him from the 2024 presidential ballot in the state based on the 14th Amendment's "insurrectionist ban."

    The flurry of rulings late Friday from Colorado District Judge Sarah Wallace are a blow to Trump, who faces candidacy challenges in multiple states stemming from his role in the January 6, 2021, insurrection. He still has a pending motion to throw out the Colorado lawsuit, but the case now appears on track for an unprecedented trail this month.

    link

    I was (none / 0) (#155)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 23, 2023 at 04:21:36 AM EST
    listening to a podcast on this and apparently the way CO law is set up, it is favorable to bring these types of cases.

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