Holiday Weekend Open thread

It's time for a new open thread, all topics welcome.

There's a lot to unpack (free link) in this week's Supreme Court decisions, and I'm hoping that Peter G. will lead the way.

There's a ton of drama in the media coverage of Yevgeny Prigozhin, head of the Wagner Group, and his attempted "coup" or minor "protest" against Moscow or its military, depending on whose version you choose to believe, along with belated appearances by Putin and the comments of the ever-chatty President of Belarus.

I tend to pay more attention to news in Mexico, Colombia and even Venezuela. I keep seeing reports that the next prisoner swap may include Alex Saab. I hope so. Kidnapping him in Cape Verde and extraditing him to the U.S. was wrong, and in my view, illegal.

I'll close with this bit of news from Cuba: Elián González, now 29, has become a member of Congress in Cuba:

n April, González was sworn in as a member of Cuba’s National Assembly of People’s Power, effectively Cuba’s congress. He represents Cárdenas, a town in Matanzas province about 80 miles (about 130 kilometers) east of Havana where he lived until his mother took him to sea. He still lives in the province.

Again, all topics welcome, including what you are cooking for this 4th of July.

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    This could become interesting (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 06:38:24 PM EST
    "Harvard University was accused by minority groups of violating federal law in giving preferential treatment to the children of alumni and wealthy donors just days after the Republican-appointee controlled Supreme Court struck down the use of race-based affirmative action in college admissions. The long-standing practice benefitting "legacies" flouts the Civil Rights Act of 1964's bar on racial discrimination in programs that receive federal funds, the plaintiffs contend. They point out that some 70% of legacies are White. The complaint, filed with the Department of Education, comes as the US continues to grapple with the fallout of the high court's 6-3 ruling curtailing affirmative action, which had been used by universities to diversify campuses after historically discriminatory admissions practices."

    If this eventually makes it up to SCOTUS, the conservative justices opinion on why rich kids should get special treatment would IMO be  very interesting.

    Why? (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 01:30:56 PM EST
    President Biden nominated Elliott Abrams to the bipartisan US Advisory Commission on Public Policy, a commission that appraises the US government activities intended to inform and influence foreign publics.

    The 75-year old Abrams served in three Republican Administrations, the latest as envoy to Iran in TFG's Administration. Abrams was up to his ears in the Iran Contra scandal, pleading guilty to two misdemeanors and receiving two years probation (withholding information from Congress). He was subsequently pardoned by Daddy Bush.

    As Assistant Secretary of State he was involved in funding anti-communist rebels in Nicaragua, and  being blasted by Human Rights Watch for downplaying the massacre of 1000 people by US- trained and equipped individuals in El Salvador.  Abrams has continued to support these activities' benefits , recently doubling down during questioning by Rep. Omar(D.MN).

    Perhaps this is part of swapping deal and the commission is not all that important, anyway.  Or maybe, a good liar is called for, but any one of the points on Elliott's resume would seem to be disqualifying for any government post.

    Happy 4th (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 03:36:10 PM EST
    Don't shoot you eye out.

    I am honoring my sacred oath (none / 0) (#74)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 03:06:12 PM EST
    not to do so.

    Don't know how great this is for planning (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 05, 2023 at 04:48:55 PM EST
    but politically it's great.

    Tony Evers uses veto powers to extend annual increases for public schools for the next four centuries

    Evers crafted the four-century school aid extension by striking a hyphen and a "20" from a reference to the 2024-25 school year. The increase of $325 per student is the highest single-year increase in revenue limits in state history.

    Celebrated my 74th birthday this morning (5.00 / 3) (#75)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 03:07:51 PM EST
    by visiting two clients at the jail. This evening, dinner with our youngest daughter and her wife.

    Happy Birthday to you, (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 04:12:47 PM EST
    Happy Birthday to you,
    Happy Birthday dear Peter G.,
    Happy Birthday to you.
    (Fortunately for you and all TL, that my Birthday song could not be heard).

    Have a great day.


    Happy Birthday (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by jmacWA on Fri Jul 07, 2023 at 05:01:12 AM EST
    A belated (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Zorba on Sat Jul 08, 2023 at 01:47:10 PM EST
    Happy Birthday, Peter!

    Happy (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 03:46:42 PM EST
    B day

    Happy Birthday (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 03:50:29 PM EST
    What an inspiration to still be doing what you love!

    I figure maybe (none / 0) (#78)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 04:08:41 PM EST
    one more year. Not more, I don't think.

    Happy birthday, Peter (none / 0) (#81)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 05:37:28 PM EST
    Sounds like you have a nice evening planned. Enjoy!

    Happy Birthday!! (none / 0) (#84)
    by coast on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 06:49:52 PM EST
    Have a wonderful night with your family!

    Happy Birthday Peter... (none / 0) (#85)
    by desertswine on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 07:18:56 PM EST
    You certainly don't look 74!

    On the Internet (none / 0) (#88)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 09:06:23 PM EST
    nobody knows you're a dog.

    happy birthday, Peter (none / 0) (#86)
    by leap2 on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 07:37:25 PM EST
    Eat lots of cake!

    Home made carrot cake (none / 0) (#87)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 09:05:23 PM EST
    with a dairy-free cream cheese icing.  (Dairy free for the daughter.) Delicious. And a pitcher of bourbon-applejuice-gingerbeer-lemon fizz.

    Never heard of that drink (none / 0) (#95)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 07, 2023 at 04:08:14 PM EST
    but it really sounds good. What is the recipe?

    Obviously, you can and should fiddle with this (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Peter G on Fri Jul 07, 2023 at 07:37:54 PM EST
    to taste, particularly if making a pitcher of it, as my daughter did Thursday, but the recipe for a single serving is: 1 shot (1.5 oz) bourbon (fancy brand not necessary); 1/4 cup apple cider (ok to substitute a good apple juice); juice of one lime (ok to use a lemon if you prefer); 1 ounce ginger beer (not ginger ale); garnish with fresh lime and/or ginger and/or apple slice and/or cinnamon stick. Very refreshing in either summer or fall.

    Thanks, Peter (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 07, 2023 at 08:41:41 PM EST
    I tend to like drinks that include ginger beer. I'll have to try this.

    Happy anniversary (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 07, 2023 at 12:28:16 PM EST
    Missing Hunter Biden "whistle blower" (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 11, 2023 at 10:01:01 AM EST
    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 11, 2023 at 02:08:41 PM EST
    and the Qanon & conservatives group are saying this is proof positive that the DOJ is protecting Hunter.

    The Political Hindenburg (none / 0) (#129)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 11, 2023 at 11:53:31 AM EST
    Missing?  They just didn't look in the right places-- Cyprus, federal courts.   Wonder what being a Chinese spy, international gun runner and briber does to credibility?  Asking for Comer and Gym.

    At least explains (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 11, 2023 at 01:55:10 PM EST
    why he was missing.

    This means (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 11, 2023 at 04:12:22 PM EST
    Kevin and all the committee chairmen who have been pushing this and FOX and NEWSMAX etc have been spreading and amplifying information from a Chinese agent.

    They are already saying this is "the DOJ trying to silence him" but surely that argument is loosing strength.

    Many will be to corrupt or stupid or numb for this to matter but you wonder if there is a bottom.

    And you wonder if they will be generous enough to keep this up right through next year.


    That isn't (none / 0) (#139)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 08:36:22 AM EST
    the only thing to come out of this. The guy was paying off James Woolsey while Woolsey was on the Trump campaign and wanted Woolsey to be a national security advisor in the Trump administration.

    We are blessed with stupid enemies (none / 0) (#134)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 11, 2023 at 08:01:49 PM EST

    House Republicans Will Still Call Indicted Witness
    July 11, 2023 at 8:28 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 31 Comments

    "House Republicans on Tuesday said they still hope to call a man indicted on charges of arms trafficking and acting as an unregistered foreign agent for Chinese entities as a witness in their investigations of President Biden and his son Hunter," the Washington Post reports.

    "Senior Republicans dismissed the importance of the charges against the fugitive defendant and instead accused the Justice Department, the FBI and other authorities of orchestrating a vast conspiracy on behalf of the first family, providing no documentation or other evidence to support their accusations."

    Calling an indicted defendant (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 11, 2023 at 09:01:49 PM EST
    before a Congressional committee can be a path to a forced dismissal of the indictment. It worked for Oliver North in the Iran-Contra scandal. Called before a committee, takes the Fifth (as he must), granted immunity by the committee, then the judge in the criminal case holds that the prosecutors cannot prove that none of them accessed the immunized testimony, and/or that none of their other evidence is derived from that source.

    For some reason (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 06:28:43 AM EST
    I don't see that happening here.

    The (none / 0) (#140)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 09:22:53 AM EST
    big difference here is that the indictments have already come down, unlike the North case where they follwed the immunized testimony.

    Smells of desperation (none / 0) (#137)
    by coast on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 07:34:05 AM EST
    This is pretty dumb to do.  Completely undeminds both past and future legitimate witnesses and testimony.

    Well it does. (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 08:18:03 AM EST
    And it is.  But it's just so blatant.  I'm sure FOX will like it but I don't think most will.

    I know RoJo has been saying he should be given immunity.  I think that should be taken as seriously as anything else he would say.

    The thing about this is, to me, it sure smells like a set up.  In a good way.  Maybe this guy was dragged in front of them like a worm on a hook to get them all worked up then give them another face plant opportunity which them snapped at.

    The House Republicans are a national punch line.  They don't even rate as the gang that couldn't shoot straight.  Nothing they do is going to influence anyone outside their base.


    And the base (none / 0) (#142)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 01:43:58 PM EST
    that has fallen for this nonsense is yelling at the top of their lungs for them to do impeachment.

    It would seem that maybe finally decades of conservative lies have come back to eat them up.


    Dan Goldman on MSNBC (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 03:32:31 PM EST

    ...the indictment goes back months.  Long before Chairman Comer even knew who he was.

    I havent heard exactly when Comer understood he was giving them this information to try to stay out of jail.

    But he seemed pretty surprised when the indictment was unsealed.


    From what (none / 0) (#148)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 06:51:48 PM EST
    I read Luft was indicted in November 2022. Later skipped bail. Comer seems to have had no idea he was being used by a Chinese spy. I wish KY would be embarrassed by him but I doubt they are.

    A sad day, in the USA... (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by desertswine on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 01:38:00 PM EST
    Anchor Brewing, America's oldest craft brewer is shutting down after 127 years in business.

    Anchor Steam Beer, out of San Francisco, has been a favorite of mine for a lot of years. Very sorry to see it go.

    Did they say why (none / 0) (#144)
    by Peter G on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 03:38:52 PM EST
    the company decided to shut down?

    Economic factors... (none / 0) (#153)
    by desertswine on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 10:22:41 PM EST
    The San Francisco-based company announced Wednesday it's ceasing operations and liquidating the beloved business "following a combination of challenging economic factors and declining sales since 2016," a press release said. Craft brewers, in particular, have been struggling for a variety of reasons including changing consumer habits, rising costs and lingering supply-chain challenges.

    Another problem has been Sapporo, the Japanese beer company that bought the brand in 2017. Employees complained to VinePair last month about Sapporo's alleged mismanagement and lack of understanding of craft beer in the US. In addition, a 2021 rebrand of Anchor was also criticized for pivoting too far away from the brand's classic look.



    Opill (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 08:35:53 AM EST
    This is a breakthrough (5.00 / 4) (#156)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 09:37:13 AM EST
    for the health care of women and girls of child bearing age.  It has been determined to be safe and effective when directions are followed faithfully (one a day taken at the same time each day).  

    Opill differs from prescription  anti-conception products in that it contains just one hormone, the synthetic progesterone, progestin, whereas,  most prescription only products contain a mixture of progestin and estrogen (the estrogen component may bring potential issues, such as, rarely, clots).

    Opill will, of course, become the new focus of religious zealotry. Clarence and Salmon Sam will be on it---America if you are listening, bring us a case.  Thomas, in Dobbs, made it clear he would like to re-consider the privacy underpinnings to Connecticut v Griswold (1965) and other such  precedents.

    Note: since this product is made by an Irish pharmaceutical manufacturer, shouldn't this product be called O'Pill? (Sorry, I'll let myself out)


    Yes (none / 0) (#160)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 02:08:49 PM EST
    I am waiting for the howling to commence.

    Insurance (none / 0) (#169)
    by BGinCA on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 01:00:10 AM EST
    Prescribed birth control is covered under Obama-care. OTC meds are not. I've had this experience where meds I was taking were switched from prescription to OTC. All of a sudden something I was getting for $5/month was costing me $100.
    So not entirely a blessing.

    Yes, it (none / 0) (#171)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 08:58:28 AM EST
    Is critically important to broad use that the OTC oral contraceptives be covered by insurance.  Perrigo, the pharmaceutical manufacturer, has not given information on cost, but it is expected to be in the range on $20 to $30 per month.  Out-of-pocket costs of more than $10 is likely to be a disincentive to usage by women in lower income brackets.

    Perrigo has indicated that they plan on a coupon program for those who have financial need, but details have not been released. Hopefully, President Biden will be able, by executive order, to provide guidelines for ACA and Medicare inclusivity.


    Note (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 09:04:57 AM EST
    Medicaid,  not Medicare.  

    Right. The demand for contraceptives (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by Peter G on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 01:29:18 PM EST
    among Medicare recipients is kind of limited.

    We need to be prepared, (none / 0) (#180)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 02:46:09 PM EST
    for all possibilities what with all these newfangled
    medical fetes.

    This sounds like some good tv (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 06:00:43 PM EST
    Them what knows, don't talk (none / 0) (#167)
    by Peter G on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 07:16:14 PM EST
    And them what talks, don't know.  IMHO.

    They were pretty clear (none / 0) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 07:21:43 PM EST
    that was speculation.  

    Still my money is on epic.  


    These people (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 06:43:35 PM EST
    They just have no idea what they sound like to those outside their bubble  

    GOP congressman declares amendment has 'nothing to do' with 'colored people' on the House floor

    They really (none / 0) (#173)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 10:51:07 AM EST
    don't. I'm sure you have dealt with these types in your area as have I.

    Sure (none / 0) (#174)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 11:42:28 AM EST
    I was just watching a discussion on another site about this guy and if he knew he was being offensive.

    In other words did he say what he said to be offensive or because he really didn't know any better because he only talks to people who think "colored people" is the acceptable descriptor.  

    I think probably B.  Tho I'm sure he would be happy to be intentionally offensive.  


    There's no way (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by coast on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 12:45:34 PM EST
    He had to know it's offensive.  I have spent my entire life in GA and SC, and everyone knows that's offensive.  No different that referring to an AA male as "boy" when speaking with/about him.  They aren't the "n" word, but are equally offensive/derogatory IMO.

    Okay. (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 09:15:57 PM EST
    So you're saying this guy is a flat out racist?

    My BIL used the word picka*** the other day and I haven't heard that word gosh probably since i was a child. Personally I think MAGA has made racist statements acceptable again. And yes, my BIL is MAGA. So were the racists cousins that came to the cookout. One who went to law school where my youngest son is going to college currently never asked my son about classes, school, anything only about "crime".

    One thing I can think Trump for is allowing all the racists to be loud and proud about their racism.


    Nope (none / 0) (#187)
    by coast on Sat Jul 15, 2023 at 08:27:27 AM EST
    The question was whether it was offensive.  IMO it is.  I have no idea if the guy is a racist.

    In my experience (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 16, 2023 at 06:15:14 AM EST
    people who talk like that are racists or white supremacists. You know if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck...

    Perhaps (none / 0) (#176)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 12:56:09 PM EST
    But I am constantly amazed how sheltered these people are.  Its definitely possible to live your life and never hear a discouraging word.   He is deeply MAGA.  In my experience you simply can not underestimate their intelligence.  

    I have personally overheard the term.  Recently.  And in that case I can guarantee the person was not trying to be offensive.  


    To explain (none / 0) (#177)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 01:00:39 PM EST
    I can guarantee because I know this person my whole life.  He's a relative.  And he was actually trying to be inoffensive.  And caused some rolled eyes.

    He was not born in 1980 like this guy.  But still.


    But (none / 0) (#179)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 02:17:54 PM EST
    you can hardly call this guy sheltered, educated, 13 years as a Navy seal, successful politician, don't tell me that somewhere along the line someone at least tried to set him straight.

    Ok (none / 0) (#181)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 03:07:44 PM EST
    A Hole

    I'm convinced.

    Don't underestimate stupid.  That's all.


    Andre Watts... (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by desertswine on Sat Jul 15, 2023 at 12:24:16 AM EST
    André Watts, a pianist whose mighty technique and magnetic charm awed audiences and made him one of the first Black superstars in classical music, died on Wednesday at his home in Bloomington, Ind. He was 77.

    1963 Young People's Concert

    Trump seems to have been hoarding ancient... (5.00 / 2) (#200)
    by desertswine on Tue Jul 18, 2023 at 02:41:07 PM EST
    Isreali antiquities at Mar-a-Looney, in addition to secret  documents.

    The Israeli antiquities include ancient ceramic candles that were lent to the U.S. from Israel's national treasures collection in 2019 for a Hanukkah candle-lighting event at the White House, Haaretz reported.

    One source, referring to photos of Trump's document boxes stacked in unusual locations around Mar-a-Lago, told Haaretz he wouldn't be surprised if "the items Israel seeks are also eventually found in some bathroom."

    I guess there's nothing that Trump won't steal.

    Slow cooker (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 02, 2023 at 08:43:41 AM EST
    Pot roast

    Just (none / 0) (#4)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 02, 2023 at 01:00:27 PM EST
    Burgers and fries for us.  

    There is some scary sh!t in here (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 02, 2023 at 08:49:31 AM EST

    A look at new Arkansas laws going into effect on July 31

    The thing is the state is changing.  The northwest corner of the state has become one of the fastest growing suburban areas in the country.

    There was Walmart and Tyson.  Now Amazon.

    Young people are coming to the state for work faster than they can build houses.

    That's might not effect local government in rural areas like this but it will effect state wide races for sure.

    I don't think Huckleberry Sanders will have a second term.

    WSJ (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 02, 2023 at 09:53:29 AM EST
    Has Walmart (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 02, 2023 at 02:03:11 PM EST
    mostly stayed out of the politics of the state? Surely having Aunt Lydia as governor is not good PR and I would think it hurts their business overall and ability to attract top talent.

    The Walton's are not exactly progressive (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 02, 2023 at 02:31:03 PM EST

    Unless you consider an art museum progressive.

    But I don't think this cartoonish first/worst politics is what the economic drivers want. There is some bad stuff in that list.

    Some of it will be challenged.  Some already has.

    I think the GA model is working here.  Bring in enough college degrees and you raise the regional IQ



    Well (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 02, 2023 at 03:22:23 PM EST
    unfortunately it is not working all that well here in GA since we reelected Brian Kemp and even an insurrectionist for Lt. gov.

    Though the GOP certainly is worried about the way the state is turning blue. They have lost the suburbs for a generation.

    I was in SC this weekend and oh boy the whole LGBT issue came up and my 27 year old neice banned the homophobic racist cousins from her wedding because she has bridesmaid that is non-binary (her words).


    That's sort of my point (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 02, 2023 at 04:58:54 PM EST
    There's pushback happening in surprising places.  The more the right pushes the more push back there will be.  

    GA is a swing state now.

    On the subject of having rights taken away, I just saw this.  It's about life in Berlin in the 1920s.
    And then in the 1930s.
    You can't watch it and not see current events.

    Netflix Exposes the Secret Gay History of Nazi Germany
    Netflix doc Eldorado: Everything the Nazis Hate examines the swinging LGBTQ haven in Berlin that was ultimately destroyed by the Nazis


    There seems (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 10:47:00 AM EST
    to be a consensus opinion out there that all this is going to bring young people out to vote in droves. I hope it is right.

    I think it will (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 11:43:49 AM EST
    Debt relief will bring out some more.  Abortion some more.

    Well (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 03:01:49 PM EST
    if the young people "I know" are any indication they will show up.

    However my neice said she and her new husband are moving to Maine. I think they have simply given up on SC and retaining any freedom there. So in her case i'm not sure it matters since Maine is already blue. However my youngest son who is a senior at Georgia State has said he and his friends are all livid and they literally loathe the GOP, Trump and anybody that thinks DeSantis gets off the hook here either are kidding themselves. The thing the GOP doesn't realize is that Biden is more or less not relevant. He is really just a representative of policy and they would be making the same choice no matter who the nominee is.


    That's true (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 03:17:41 PM EST
    It's probably a good thing we have a leader who would be the last person on earth to inspire cult like behaviour.  And that a good thing.

    It also makes him hard to demonize.

    They are going to run on saving democracy.  I think it's a good plan.


    Yes, (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 03:35:51 PM EST
    we had BushJesus, ObamaJesus and TrumpJesus but NO BidenJesus thank God. We saw how ObamaJesus decimated downticket races. We could have had BernieJesus though which would have been unfortunate.

    They truly don't understand this (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 02:02:10 PM EST
    Trump sent this out on LIES SOCIAL

    The meme that the former president shared read in script lettering, "81 million votes .... and I've never seen a pro Biden hat, shirt or flag in my life. " Below the script is a flag that reads "F*ck Biden"

    That's because it's not a cult.  


    I guess on the upside (none / 0) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 02:11:51 PM EST
    He is admitting Biden got more votes than him.

    They (none / 0) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 02:35:59 PM EST
    truly do not understand for sure. It's one of the reasons why they can't understand Biden got 81 million votes. Well, he couldn't have in their minds because there were no boat or golf cart parades.

    PS (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 02:03:32 PM EST
    Hillary Jesus could totally have been a thing.

    Ha (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 02:36:15 PM EST
    Yes, it could have been.

    On Friday, the last day of (none / 0) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 12:50:50 PM EST
    the term, the Supreme Court will consider in the next term, whether a 30-year old federal law that prohibits people under domestic violence restraining orders from possessing guns violates the Second Amendment.

    In the US v Rahimi the 5th Circuit struck down the federal law prohibiting possession of a firearm by people subject to domestic violence protection orders, siding with domestic abusers. Rahimi assaulted his ex-girlfriend and, in, perhaps, the understatement of New Orleans history, acknowledged that Rahimi was "hardly a model citizen", he is entitled to a gun because Second Amendment.

    We can start taking bets on which way this Court will rule. My money is on the abusers. Unless, of course, they took the case to uphold the federal law and reign in the very conservative 5th circuit, made all the more so by a half-dozen Trump appointees (I.e., Leo Leonard firebrands).

    My money is on the feds on this one (none / 0) (#12)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 01:32:35 PM EST
    Disallowing the disarming of domestic abusers will get no more than two votes, is my prediction. The "originalists" will find something in "history" to justify their feelings on this, as they always manage to do.

    You may (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 04:00:45 PM EST
    have the best bet.  John Roberts is the best Republican politician, second only to the Turtle.  If decided in June 2024, that is too close to the fall elections for a ruling upholding the 5th Circuit's reactionaries.

    So that decision (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 03:03:24 PM EST
    to enable abusers to murder their wives and girlfriends will come down when? A year from now?

    Wives, girlfriends (none / 0) (#25)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 03:55:03 PM EST
    and children.  Mom's for Liberty (i.e., Proud Boys in Drag) or the newly formed by Casey, Mamas foe DeSantis, will surely be on it.  Right?

    Yes, sometime in the spring of 2024 (none / 0) (#29)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 04:35:11 PM EST
    Not necessarily in late June, but possibly.

    I was going to discuss (none / 0) (#13)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 01:39:26 PM EST
    the "303 Creative" case, concerning the imaginary web designer with the imaginary gay couple as imaginary clients that she imagines not wanting to assist in wedding planning. The case was decided 6-3 in her favor on free speech (not religious liberty) grounds. But the decision (written by Gorsuch) is so absurdly bad and wrong, as a matter of First Amendment law, anti-discrimination law, and standing/ripeness law that I have not been able to figure out where to start. There is a lot of smart commentary already on the web. Let me know if you have any specific questions.

    I have (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 03:04:37 PM EST
    seen some pundits say that the case had no standing due to an imaginary defendant. And that it could be dismissed by the lower court due to that fact. Is that true?

    I think there was no standing (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 03:19:12 PM EST
    Certainly questionable standing.

    Don't think a lower court can dismiss it.  Now.


    It would (none / 0) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 02:39:16 PM EST
    seem more on target if the Free Speech Clause, in this case, applied to the customer.  The web designer displays the customer's content.

    Moreover, this is a website (albeit an imaginary one) we are talking about not a creation of art. The Court ruled  that it is  expressive speech, although it does not appear that an example of her artistic design,  along with customized capabilities, was presented or evaluated.

    Expanding the holding, it seems that a carpenter could refuse to make custom kitchen cabinets for a gay couple, but would not be able to refuse to install store bought kitchen cabinets.  And, a quandary arises if those Home Depot cabinets are installed with customized moldings.

    The Free Speech theory is (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 02:56:16 PM EST
    that the "public accommodation" provision of the Civil Rights Act compels her, if she wishes to remain in business, to lend her own creative expression to speaking the customers' message, even if she does not support that message. But what is that message?  "We are happy. We are in love. We are planning a wedding. Please celebrate with us." Not, "Our web designer is happy." Nor "Our web designer approves of our marriage." Nor "Our web designer agrees with the Supreme Court decision, or the state law, that says we can get married just like any other loving couple." I don't see how contributing her artistic talents to the effective communication of someone else's sentiments implies a statement of agreement.

    I think this (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 03:22:38 PM EST

     I don't see how contributing her artistic talents to the effective communication of someone else's sentiments implies a statement of agreement.

    Happens all the time.

    For example, if I did a web site for Nazis agreement would be implied. Or certainly assumed.  Lots of people feel every bit as strongly about abortion as you and I do about Nazis


    Oops (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 03:23:58 PM EST
    I meant homosexuality

    But that too.


    But (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 03:50:04 PM EST
    Nazis are not a protected class, big difference.

    Most if not all states allow wide latitude in refusing service to anyone as long as it isn't based on class, at least that's my understanding.

    Once one BS exception is carved out there will be many more.


    Being a protected class (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 04:11:30 PM EST
    has nothing to do with what your neighbors think of you.  And we are fighting 2000 years of bigoted propaganda.  Deeply held beliefs exist.  However ignorant they may be.

    You are right.  Of course.  And they by all rights should not have even taken that case.  But they did.  This is the world.

    I'm not justifying anything.  
    It seemed to me this was a show of strength by the court.  It seems they are taking all the recent financial scandals and topping them off with some totally unprovoked governing from the bench. Shoving it all in our face and saying 'what are you going to do about it?'.

    It's a good question.  I think maybe democrats should run on doing something about it.  Up to and including court packing.

    The truth is the more rights they threaten the better our chances.


    I have read (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 04:24:23 PM EST
    things are being accelerated everywhere on the right to get as much of this stuff before the court as they can as soon as they can.

    They see this super majority as the chance of a lifetime.  So I'm expecting more rights to be threatened.


    Also the next president will likely get 2.  Thomas and Alito.  He can reshape the court or f**k it for generations.

    So either way the court has to be right there on the ballot with democracy.


    I find it had to believe (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 08:35:40 PM EST
    that Thomas or Alito would retire if the president is a Democrat.

    Someone stole my "r" in the subject (none / 0) (#41)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 08:37:48 PM EST
    Should read "I find it hard to believe.

    I had (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 08:55:23 PM EST
    the same thoughts. Now if we could pass reform we could force them to retire.

    73 and 75 (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 07:58:56 AM EST
    They could also die.

    Both are too d@mn evil (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 09:04:29 AM EST
    to die while a Dem is president.

    One has to wonder (none / 0) (#30)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 05:26:53 PM EST
    how interested is Thomas in revisiting Loving v. Virginia?

    If we can (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 07:23:19 PM EST
    pass legislation we can override their decisions. They definitely are trying to legislate us back to the 1950's but they forget we know what freedom feels and looks like.

    If we can (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 07:46:14 PM EST
    pass legislation we can override their decisions. They definitely are trying to legislate us back to the 1950's but they forget we know what freedom feels and looks like.

    No Such Legislation Will Happen (none / 0) (#42)
    by RickyJim on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 08:46:49 PM EST
    with the filibuster and gerrymandering in place.  Actually, the US Constitution left it up to Congress to say exactly what the powers of the Supreme Court should be.  But for 236 years it hasn't been able to come up with anything useful in that area.

    This ruling is confusing (none / 0) (#35)
    by BGinCA on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 07:05:27 PM EST
    Per this reasoning can a webdesigner, cakemaker, printer refuse service to Jews, claiming that a marriage outside the church violates their religious principles? This seems to me clearly results oriented reasoning (if indeed it can be called reasoning) on the part of the majority. I suppose now that they have gutted the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act is next. Watch out New Deal.

    Signs 'n Portents (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 05:46:01 PM EST

    Over the clanking of silverware and the smell of breakfast sausages on the sidelines of a major gathering of Southern Baptists here, several hundred pastors and other churchgoers welcomed a roster of speakers ruminating on a "teetering" nation, "sexual insanity," "all this trans stuff" and the specter that the country's largest Protestant denomination was on a "road to insignificance."


    Southern Baptists (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 07:51:58 PM EST
    have always been behind the curve. It wasn't until the mid to late 1990's that they actually denounced slavery and their embrace of it for over a century. It was SBC ministers that were quoting the bible "slaves obey your masters" as Civil Rights being against God. They are the ultimate purveyors of white male patriarchy. They complain about the decine of Christianity but are unwilling to look in the mirror and take any responsiblity for their part in it which is a very large part. Evangelicals have just about destroyed Christianity in America. And their fusion with politics has been a double disaster for them and everybody else.

    Never a big fan of Rick Warren but I don't understand why he was groveling before the powers taht be at the SBC.


    Molly Ivins (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Zorba on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 10:21:47 PM EST
    Used to call them Talibaptists.
    They still are.

    I hope (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 07:35:12 AM EST
    you had an awesome birthday!

    I did (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by Zorba on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 07:57:07 AM EST
    Thank you. A quiet one, but great food and a great bottle of wine. Homemade (by Mr. Zorba) peach cobbler for dessert.

    Southern Baptists are the reason (none / 0) (#56)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 03:56:38 PM EST
    Liquor stores in Texas have a back door. The also only "do it" under the sheets or people might think they are dancing.

    I'll drink to that (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 05:52:40 PM EST

    There are fewer of them than there were a year ago, but their fervor was undiminished. In the hotel ballroom that night, down the hall from a bar full of business travelers, the Baptists stood for the singing of "God Bless the U.S.A."

    "These are dark days, and we are in a spiritual battle," Graham said. "We are in this fight for the glory of God, for the sake of our nation."

    You see (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 07:55:52 PM EST
    this is the crux of their problem. They think like the mullahs in Iran. They define the country by religion instead of democracy.

    And those evangelical women saying they shouldn't be in leadership--yeah, heard it from many of them over the years. They will tell you that they should make less money because they are women & that men are supposed to be the breadwinners. Talk about groomers--they really are projecting as many conservative women are groomed from a very early age that all they can do is get married and have babies--don't have a career and just have a job until you have children.


    All the more reason to subscribe to ... (none / 0) (#191)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 17, 2023 at 01:57:04 PM EST
    ... the Gospel of Susan B. Anthony:

    "The one distinct feature of our Association has been the right of the individual opinion for every member. We have been beset at every step with the cry that somebody was injuring the cause by the expression of some sentiments that differed with those held by the majority of mankind. The religious persecution of the ages has been done under what was claimed to be the command of God. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. [...] Are you going to cater to the whims and prejudices of people who have no intelligent knowledge of what they condemn?"
    - In defense of Elizabeth Cady Stanton at a meeting of the National-American Woman Suffrage Association, 1896 Convention (The History of Woman Suffrage, volume IV, page 263)



    More (none / 0) (#33)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 03, 2023 at 06:15:27 PM EST
    like on the highway to hell

    Pastor Christmas curses Woer of Barbielon (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 05:11:58 PM EST
    DeSantis must really, really (none / 0) (#59)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 05:45:54 PM EST
    be awful.  Log Cabin Republicans were dismayed by DeSantis War Room attack ad that promotes what it calls, the most extreme state of LGBTQ+ laws in history and threaten trans existence.

    Apparently, quite an ad (links to it are not working, it seems) but one reporter called it "the closest thing to a Benito Mussolini Tik Tok ad would've looked like."

    Guess they are just noticing all those hateful pieces of legislation in Florida and maybe, found out what Rhonda means by Woke.


    I put a link to the ad in the last thread (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 05:56:16 PM EST
    I don't think it's working anymore.  Its not just hom0phobic it's hom0erotic.

    Its classic.  It will be around.


    Most of it is here (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 06:03:51 PM EST
    Starts at about 1 min

    And then Mayor Petes response.  Which is great



    Let's try that link (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 06:09:02 PM EST
    It gets better. (none / 0) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 07:12:16 PM EST
    Here a political analyst says that DeSantis should come off the campaign trail and go on social media and compares him to other failed FL politicans like Jeb and Marco. His problem is his campaign has been terminally online basically a campaign of Libs of TikTok. Larry Hogan said DeSantis is done.

    What do you wanna bet Skeletor jumps in now with the collapse of DeSantis?


    There is one thing in that video (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 05, 2023 at 07:07:20 PM EST
    One thing that I noticed, that I don't understand.  

    I get all the dumb macho stuff.  The body builders and the square jaws.  I even get Christian Bale in American Psycho for the INCEL vote.

    The one I don't understand is Achilles.  Is it to say we don't believe all that stuff or does it mean he has a Patroclus hidden away?


    Btw (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 05, 2023 at 07:09:40 PM EST
    Chris Hayes just ran the whole video at the open of his show.  It will up soon if you have not seen it

    Or maybe it's to say (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 05, 2023 at 07:20:22 PM EST
    we endorse the rewriting of inconvenient history.  Which has been done with Achilles.

    I guess it's possible they are dumb enough to have no idea Achilles was/is famous for a gay relationship.

    Just a he man.  Brad Pitt and all.


    Don't say (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 05, 2023 at 08:28:29 PM EST
    Patroclus.     K-12, it's the law!

    Ok. I guess (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 08, 2023 at 03:22:38 PM EST


    Is that Brad Pitt staring out from behind that bronze helmet? Yes, yes, it is. As film buffs and mythology nerds will know, Pitt portrayed the ancient Greek hero Achilles in the 2004 movie Troy, based on Homer's epic poem the Iliad. As in the Iliad, Pitt's Achilles emerges as the hero of the film, bursting onto the battlefield toward the end of the conflict to revenge the death of his comrade Patroclus at the hands of the Trojan hero Hector.

    As many commentators online have pointed out, there a poignant irony to the fact that a video targeting LGBTQ people included an image of Achilles, given that many scholars have interpreted Achilles' friendship with Patroclus as a type of homosexual relationship. But the valorization of Achilles fits neatly within a broader far-right obsession with ancient Rome and Greece, which some conservatives hold up as the cradle of "Western civilization." Ever heard of "Bronze Age Mindset"? We bet the creators of this video have.

    We Investigated the Deepest, Darkest Corners of the Internet to Understand Ron DeSantis' Bizarre New Video


    I was unfamiliar with Bronze Age Mindset (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 08, 2023 at 07:48:58 PM EST
    It's worth a google.  It will direct you to a wiki page called Bronze Age P€rvert

    7/3/23 (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 05:41:06 PM EST
    It might be getting a lot hotter if Russia... (none / 0) (#62)
    by desertswine on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 06:07:59 PM EST
    blows up that Ukrainian nuclear power plant that they're occupying.

    KYIV - Ukrainian officials and intelligence officers warned Russia could be preparing to blow up a nuclear power station, leading to a radioactive environmental disaster.

    After the Kakhovka dam destruction last month, Kyiv fears the Kremlin plans to organize an explosion at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant -- the largest in Europe -- located in the Russian-occupied city of Enerhodar.

    According to Ukrainian intelligence, Russian workers have been told to leave the power station by July 5.

    -- Politico


    Sounds about right (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 04, 2023 at 06:12:22 PM EST
    Can't say he used nuclear weapons.

    NPR puts together (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 05, 2023 at 08:56:55 AM EST
    Zuckiebergs Twitter killer launches tomorrow (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 05, 2023 at 09:21:32 AM EST
    I am on Spoutible (none / 0) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 05, 2023 at 03:35:58 PM EST
    and Post. I find Post hard to navigate. The largest issue for me is nobody has migrated off of twitter that I follow and until that kind of thing happens I'm not sure there will be a replacement.

    I am kind of not fond of anything Zuckerberg does after 2016.


    Trump doesn't hate gays enough (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 04:56:00 PM EST
    And MTG is not crazy enough.

    Green Kicked Out of House Freedom Caucus
    July 6, 2023 at 2:24 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 152 Comments

    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) was ousted from the House Freedom Caucus for not being conservative enough, Politico reports.

    Republicans have figured out there is no longer a middle.  Democrats should take a lesson.

    I read (none / 0) (#82)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 06:21:10 PM EST
    it was because of her calling Bobo a b*tch. Free dumbers are gonna free dumb.

    Her support of Kevin (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 07, 2023 at 08:59:15 AM EST
    and his deals might be a bigger problem.

    And Bobo has bigger problems (none / 0) (#91)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 07, 2023 at 09:06:46 AM EST
    Man (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 07, 2023 at 10:27:44 AM EST
    I hope. Maybe that district is tired of having a clown represent them. The closeness before sure was surprising.

    I think there (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 06, 2023 at 06:23:04 PM EST
    is a middle but nobody knows what it is in this environment.

    Biden is coming to Dalton to celebrate a plant opening. FYI Dalton is in Marge's district. It also is in a desperate situation job wise. It used to be into textiles but they mostly went away.


    I am liking the fact that (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 07, 2023 at 01:41:19 PM EST
    in spite of the lame stream medias best efforts, and minute by minute reporting, no one seems to care about coke in the white house.

    Wait, what? (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Zorba on Sat Jul 08, 2023 at 01:48:36 PM EST
    I thought it belonged to Donnie Jr., trying to sneak into the White House. ;-)

    Well (none / 0) (#96)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 07, 2023 at 04:52:06 PM EST
    the Qanon crowd is going crazy saying it is Hunter's but I guess they don't know or don't wanna know he wasn't there.

    Since the secret service clears the area every 24 hours and there are security tapes all over I have to wonder why no one has been tagged as the owner unless the SS planted it. I had to get all nutty but after secret service agents had to be relieved of duty regarding J6 and other issues I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility.


    This is worth a read (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 07, 2023 at 05:08:11 PM EST

    Death of QAnon cult leader sparks new conspiracy

    Vice brings us a blockbuster new exclusive: Michael Protzman, leader of a QAnon cult premised on former U.S. president John F. Kennedy being alive and well and about to reveal himself to the faithful any minute now, just you wait, has died.

    Well, probably. Maybe. It depends on your definition of dead, really, and who among us are really alive, when you think about it. Yes, a Minnesota medical examiner may be quite certain Protzman is dead, and the doctors at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, are quite sure he was dead when he was carted off to the morgue, but Vice reports that Protzman's cult followers don't actually believe that he's dead--and why would they?

    These are not people who are going to be dissuaded by a medical examiner's report that their dearest leader died after a dirt bike accident tenderized him to a degree incompatible with continued corporal existence

    Everyone knows that JFK died at a rest home (none / 0) (#101)
    by desertswine on Fri Jul 07, 2023 at 10:47:42 PM EST
    in Texas trying to kill an out-of-control Mummy, along with Elvis, who survived.

    Oh c'mon (none / 0) (#97)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Jul 07, 2023 at 05:05:25 PM EST
    Everyone knows it was Jack Smith's. He dropped it during one of his hundreds of meetings with President Biden to plan the big witch hunt.



    Glenn Kirschner (none / 0) (#102)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jul 08, 2023 at 06:53:24 AM EST
    or some other former prosecutor was talking about the crackhead comment and they said I can tell you that I have prosecuted many crackheads and there is no way to know someone is a crackhead by looks. However that nonsense works with the cult because I'm sure they can determine who is a crackhead by looking at them. LOL.

    Howdy (none / 0) (#107)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 09, 2023 at 07:28:22 AM EST
    on twitter people are calling your former govenor Asa Hutchinson a "groomer" because he vetoed the child gender surgery ban. even though his reasoning made sense.

    Michael Steele said he asked GOP candidates if they were willing to lose the primary to win in a general election. That seems to be a risk the majority of candidates are unwilling to take.

    You really need (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2023 at 08:54:29 AM EST
    to move on from Twitter.

    Threads seems to be working,


    I went (none / 0) (#111)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 09, 2023 at 09:33:56 AM EST
    to threads but it wanted access to my instagram account and I don't want to give up my privacy & don't like operating on my phone. So apparently I need to see if I can set up a fake instagram account and do Threads on my tablet.

    I am on spoutible and post but nobody is there.


    I went (none / 0) (#112)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 09, 2023 at 09:33:56 AM EST
    to threads but it wanted access to my instagram account and I don't want to give up my privacy & don't like operating on my phone. So apparently I need to see if I can set up a fake instagram account and do Threads on my tablet.

    I am on spoutible and post but nobody is there.


    The facts of life in this state (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2023 at 09:02:18 AM EST
    are, I believe, beginning to sink in.  There was no big hate for Asa.  He just quietly tried to make stuff work without pi$$ing anyone off.

    Aunt Lydia, and her father who is remembered less than fondly by many, has a very different governing style.

    I honestly don't think this is what they voted for

    GOP AGs threaten Target over sales of Pride onesies, LGBTQ+-friendly garments

    Stop Target now before more dogs go gay!
    Conservatives seem awfully worked up about the "sexualization" of children these days. After all, American kids have traditionally learned about sex on the playground, or from their dad's stash of Hustler magazines, or while playing Skee-Ball at Chuck E. Cheese with a weirdly gregarious Roy Moore. It's the American way. But a Pride onesie for an infant who can't read? That could be the straw that finally breaks the yawing back of Western civilization. And Republican attorneys general are standing in the gap in the silliest way possible.

    A group of seven GOP AGs--from states with so little crime they apparently need to invent it--have sent a threatening letter to Target, warning the retailer to cut it out with the rainbow shi+ already. These include the crime-free utopias Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri, Kentucky, Indiana, and South Carolina. Oh, and Idaho, which has a relatively low homicide rate because everyone's too busy murdering fashion to bother with people.

    But it is exactly what they voted for. (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jul 09, 2023 at 11:30:49 PM EST
    They were certainly warned by people like you. They just didn't want to believe it at the time.

    Sometimes, the electorate has to learn the hard way.


    I don't know (none / 0) (#114)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 09, 2023 at 10:08:14 AM EST
    People voted for Brian Kemp even though he signed the same things RDS did here in GA and we're supposedly a 'swing state". I don't know what people were thinking when they voted for Aunt Lydia but a friend of mine in Stutgart is laughing/crying at all this. Laughing at the people who voted for this ridiculous stuff and crying at all the damage Aunt Lydia is going to inflict on the population.

    There are so many people who sit home during elections will this motivate them to get off the couch? You sure can't tell by the 2022 results here in GA.


    As far as a risk (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2023 at 09:08:20 AM EST
    they are willing to take,

    Maybe.  God I hope so.  Trumps is the only one I would make a large bet on Biden beating.

    I suggest waiting a few more weeks as things ripen.

    Fani in a couple of weeks.  Jack soon after, or maybe before.

    We will just see how willing they are.


    There was (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 09, 2023 at 10:01:43 AM EST
    a video that got out of a RDS donor event where the speaker said that 35% of the GOP will only vote for Trump. So while I understand where you are coming from I'm not sure an anti-Trumper could win a general either.

    Frankly I think teh GOP's best bet is to nominate someone like DeSantis and him go down in flames because if they nominate Trump they will only learn that is it Trump that is the problem not their odious stances.


    The NYTimes and WaPo (none / 0) (#116)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 10, 2023 at 01:57:58 PM EST
    are reporting that Clarence Thomas has benefited from being a member of the Horatio Alger Association, of which he has been a member for 30 years.  It is an organization that he has called "a home for Virginia (Ginni) and me"

    Named for the Gilded Age author, the Association espouses "rags to riches" hoping to aspire younger generations by giving awards to those who fit the profile.

    The award festivities include dinner at the National Portrait Gallery and a reception at the Ritz Carlton, DC.

    Through the circle of wealthy friends made in the group, Thomas has been invited on luxurious vacations, VIP sections of NFL games, and other special events. The lavish gifts were not disclosed by Thomas.

    Thomas has given the group's members access to the Supreme Court, placing medals around the necks of new members during an exclusive ceremony in the courtroom.

    The reporting by the NYTimes and WaPo speak to the need for ethics reform, which is necessary by insufficient.  The DOJ should investigate and, if crimes were committed, Clarence should be prosecuted.  It seems that the defense for Thomas is that he would have ruled in favor of his rich circle of friends with or without the bribes.

    Interesting Note: Horatio Alger was a Minister/Pastor who was removed from his post  after, in 1866, a Church Committee investigated reports that Alger sexually molested boys.  He was charged with " abominable and revolting crimes of gross familiarity with boys."

    Curious that Thomas, a leading anti-gay member of the Court,  would be in a leadership role of the named Association. His "Cinderella" books for boys, such as Ragged Dick and the character Tattered Tom, in the Arab in the Street, where it is not clear if Tom is a boy or girl, would seem an anathema to him.  

    Another (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 10, 2023 at 03:26:29 PM EST
    Thomas scandal another day. I seriously hope we can wipe out the GOP in NOvember 2024 and do something about all this.

    He is 75 (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 10, 2023 at 03:33:25 PM EST
    and very overweight.

    Every vote counts.


    And African Americans (none / 0) (#127)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 10, 2023 at 05:01:59 PM EST
    have a shorter life span. However he falls into the too mean to die category as we say in the south.

    Republicans! (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 10, 2023 at 02:19:12 PM EST

    You are seriously going to keep calling it "the Hastert Rule"?


    But you didn't hear that from me.



    I have (none / 0) (#120)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 10, 2023 at 03:27:15 PM EST
    long had the same thought but then they might ahve to explain WHY they are changing the name. I was kind of disappointed Pelosi didn't change the name.

    This is big (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 10, 2023 at 02:52:47 PM EST
    He (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by FlJoe on Mon Jul 10, 2023 at 04:32:05 PM EST
    also releaseh some Ukrainian prisioners that he had promised to sequester for the duration, which many see as a direct slap to Putin.

    Erdogan smells blood in the water.


    I heard something about (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 10, 2023 at 04:50:55 PM EST
    him maybe getting some jets.

    Here (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 10, 2023 at 04:53:14 PM EST
    Joe (none / 0) (#122)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 10, 2023 at 03:35:48 PM EST
    will get it done.

    The map they keep showing on tv (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 10, 2023 at 04:00:00 PM EST
    of NATO and Russia are sobering. We hope it's also sobering to Russians.

    EMMY (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 04:06:16 PM EST

    Silo can't compete this year so I hope The Last of Us wins a bunch.

    Wow (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 04:08:59 PM EST
    The Last Of Us Emmy nominations
    Outstanding Drama Series
    Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series, Pedro Pascal
    Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series, Bella Ramsey
    Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama Series, Murray Bartlett
    Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama Series, Lamar Johnson
    Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama Series, Nick Offerman
    Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama Series, Keivonn Montreal Woodard
    Outstanding Guest Actress in a Drama Series, Melanie Lynskey
    Outstanding Guest Actress in a Drama Series, Anna Torv
    Outstanding Guest Actress in a Drama Series, Storm Reid
    Outstanding Production Design for a Narrative Contemporary Program
    Outstanding Casting for a Drama Series
    Outstanding Contemporary Costumes for a Series
    Outstanding Directing for a Drama Series
    Outstanding Picture Editing for a Drama Series
    Outstanding Contemporary Hairstyling
    Outstanding Main Title Design
    Outstanding Contemporary Makeup (Non-Prosthetic)
    Outstanding Prosthetic Makeup
    Outstanding Writing for a Drama Series
    Outstanding Music Composition for a Series (Original Dramatic Score)
    Outstanding Sound Editing for a Comedy or Drama Series
    Outstanding Sound Mixing for a Comedy or Drama Series
    Outstanding Special Visual Effects in a Season or a Movie

    Good Lord (none / 0) (#161)
    by coast on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 02:28:36 PM EST
    That had to take some time just to type out.

    I watched a few episodes but then fell off.  I'll have to return to it and watch the rest.


    Copy (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 03:07:08 PM EST
    And paste

    I've been scrolling past Beef on Netfilx (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 06:00:24 PM EST
    With that many nominations I guess I have to try it.

    We are now (none / 0) (#149)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 06:53:54 PM EST
    officially on indictment watch here in GA. Fani selected the grand jury yesterday. Nobody seems to know how long this takes and I'm not sure if the second grand jury hears witnesses or if they just read the report from the first Grand Jury.

    Since Peter has the same situation in PA maybe he can tell us how all this works.

    In PA, the indicting grand jury would receive (none / 0) (#152)
    by Peter G on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 09:25:13 PM EST
    a report from the investigating grand jury, along with summary, live testimony from a supervisory investigating agent, so the jurors can ask questions about the proposed indictment.  The agent's testimony is thus all or nearly all hearsay, but no problem since (in PA at least, as in the feds) the rules of trial evidence, other than privileges, do not apply before the grand jury. In some states, the proposed defendant must be offered an opportunity to testify before the indicting grand jury, although it is rarely wise to accept that invitation. Dunno if that applies to Georgia.

    Thanks (none / 0) (#154)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 06:49:20 AM EST
    I guess if Trump or any of the others are invited to testify before this grand jury we will hear about it. Though I can't imagine Trump would show up but some of the lower level people might.

    Garden! (none / 0) (#150)
    by Zorba on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 07:18:32 PM EST
    We've been getting lettuce for about a week. We've been digging new potatoes. We got our first green beans. Cherry tomatoes will be ready in a day or two; the larger tomatoes will take a bit longer.
    We've been getting sweet cherries but they're done now.
    I love this time of year!

    I've been having tomatoes (none / 0) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jul 12, 2023 at 07:39:46 PM EST
    for about a month.  

    I was just reading about growing arrugula.  I just ordered seeds from Amazon.  Going to us my gro lites.

    I wanted to ask you something

    I was looking for a carnitas recipe and was amazed to learn that the traditional method is slow cooking it in a vat of lard.
    There are other ways but I just wondered if this is how my favorite restaurants fo it.  

    Any experience with carnitas?


    I have never made carnitas (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by Zorba on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 01:16:40 PM EST
    Although I enjoy eating them.
    Ask me about baklava, spanakopita, moussaka, etc, and I can answer. But sorry, no knowledge about cooking carnitas.

    I make (5.00 / 3) (#170)
    by BGinCA on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 01:08:56 AM EST
    carnitas with lard.. Maybe only 2 tbsp for about 3 lbs of pork shoulder. It should be well fatted. cut into chunks and browned then braised with orange juice (bitter orange if you can find)  and lime, I add onion, garlic and jalapenos and/or serranos, but any peppers to your hotness taste will do. After about two or three hours uncover and cook off the liquid. The key to good carnitas is to finish by sauteeing in the fat to crisp it up.

    Had some carnitas tacos yesterday (5.00 / 2) (#182)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 03:38:33 PM EST
    up in Homestead at a truly authentic Mexican joint.  They were incredibly delicious.  Had to drop off my 06 Acura MDX at Miami Acura for a new air conditioning system which will be very expensive.  They gave me a new MDX loaner that has way too much stuff going on with all the buttons and dials.  And it only gets 17 mpg while my old Acura gets 25.  The new one is too responsive and stiff for me, and I really don't like the grips on the steering wheel.  Oh well, I'm an old guy now, and will be happy to get my old car back next week.  Also I can stop for another round of carnitas tacos.

    So (5.00 / 2) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 16, 2023 at 07:41:07 PM EST
    the carnitas turned out pretty great.   Maybe a little dry.  Working on that.  I followed the recipe I posted.

    My first carnitas dish (none / 0) (#157)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 12:16:05 PM EST
    was at the Old Town Mexican Cafe in San Diego, CA. It was the bomb. It is the carnitas that I have compared every other carnitas dish. Never dwelt on exactly how it was made. It was just delicious.

    I live in an area devoid of good food. South central PA food is bland and all the same. I have no good reviews of "PA Dutch" or Amish cooking. But then I lived off Roberto's and chicken burritos when I lived in San Diego. And then it was shrimp poboys, red beans and rice, gumbo and jambalaya when I lived in New Orleans. Nothing like that around here. Gotta go to Philly or Baltimore for good food. Pit beef in Baltimore, roast pork in Philly (you can have the cheesesteak).

    However, a small taco place opened in Dover a couple of years ago that made excellent carnitas tacos. Hope you make some carnitas that comes out well.


    Surprisingly (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 01:47:06 PM EST
    there are a few passable Mexican restaurants in the area.  The best one is 20 miles.  I was there yesterday and had carnitas.

    None of them spoke enough English for me to ask about lard.

    But I just got supplies including port butt lard and oranges.

    I will let you know how it goes


    Carnitas (none / 0) (#163)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 03:10:46 PM EST
    I was surprised Walmart had manteca

    Traditional Carnitas (Mexican Pork Confit)


    I don't know (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jul 13, 2023 at 03:32:39 PM EST
    about your area but where I live all the Hispanics or most of them anyway shop at Walmart. There are two in my town. One of them has a whole aisle of authentic Hispanic foods and the other one has the best international foods section in the town. We also have Hispanic markets. I like to shop at one where I can buy pastore and go home and cook it. Delicious!

    So the MS AG (none / 0) (#184)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 09:20:17 PM EST
    wants to sue the feds for telling states they cannot keep people from goign to another state to get an abortion or other medical care. And she is saying she needs access to people's medical records. TN is already getting medical records. Other states have joined the lawsuit--the usual suspects SC, GA, TN etc.

    Why does the state need our medical records? Are they going to start executing women and trans Americans?

    Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jul 15, 2023 at 10:20:41 AM EST
    we are seeing. Fascism.   Scapegoats and non-conformists are its bread and butter with a side of jam of thuggery  and violence.

    And I swear (none / 0) (#185)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 09:23:26 PM EST
    we're going to back to Jim Crow. People are gonna be escaping the states in the dark of night. We are gonna have free states and slave states and the old confederacy is reverting to type.

    There was a story of a rape victim who couldn't get an abortion in MS even though her rapists were indicted & she filed a police report. Her parents had no idea she couldn't get help and had no idea MS had banned abortion. I guess it is finally sinking in with some people.


    So Trump says he got a J6 target letter (none / 0) (#192)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 18, 2023 at 11:59:30 AM EST
    It's only Tuesday. Doesn't this make indictments likely this week?

    I've been wondering if he would want Fani to go first.

    More like next week (none / 0) (#196)
    by Peter G on Tue Jul 18, 2023 at 01:33:22 PM EST
    I would think. Has any reporter mentioned which day of the week that particular grand jury (in D.D.C.) has been sitting?

    I think I heard (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 18, 2023 at 01:35:33 PM EST
    Thursday.  The day after tomorrow.

    He got the letter (none / 0) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 18, 2023 at 01:37:05 PM EST

    Trump was (5.00 / 2) (#199)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 18, 2023 at 02:22:49 PM EST
    invited to appear before the grand jury in fairness to his defense.   Sounds like a penultimate step to dropping an indictment.  Doubt that Trump will take Jack up on the invitation.

    The indictment in the documents case came earlier.than many suspected.  My guess is by Friday. And, it will be sprawling in charges. Including insurrection under the 14th Amendment disqualification to office clause.

    The Republicans will love him all the more. What is wrong with these people?   Can't they find a less craven fascist?  At least, one who has not yet been caught?


    My thoughts (none / 0) (#193)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jul 18, 2023 at 12:48:57 PM EST
    In one way it is sad that a former president is being indicted for numerous crimes. OTOH, no one deserves it more. Trump has made Nixon look like a rank amateur.

    Its very interesting (none / 0) (#194)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 18, 2023 at 12:57:46 PM EST
    that Trumps is reportedly the only target letter we know about.  And the only one Trump world knows about.
    Trumps is said to be working the phones trying to find out who else.  Presumably to figure out who cut a deal.

    If Trump is the only person Smith indicts for J6... .

    Just wow.  That will be a show


    Even if he charges others (none / 0) (#195)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 18, 2023 at 01:16:40 PM EST
    in a different case.  

    Doing Trump in his own case seems smart.  In my non professional opinion.


    "Sound of Freedom" (none / 0) (#201)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 18, 2023 at 04:06:35 PM EST
    Big hit with the Trumpets. Indeed, Trump is planning a special showing at his Bedminster golf club, if all those indictments don't interfere with scheduling.  

    A story of human trafficking and sex slavery, based on purported experience of Tim Ballard, a former Homeland Security agent. A serious subject seemingly co-opted by Q-Anon. Ballard and the actor who plays him, James Caviezel, are associated with Q, Ballard is a proponent of the Wayfair furniture conspiracy wherein children are placed in furniture boxes, and Caviezel likes the conspiracy of drinking children's blood to prevent aging.

    The director, Alejandro.Morteverde, is said to be anti-gay, perhaps, adding to the "faith-based" characterization of the film.  Also,  Caviezel played Jesus, in the Christian hit,"Passion of the Christ".

    Otherwise, according to reviews, the movie is a decent police procedural and thriller.  Agent Ballast tracks down a little boy and girl from Honduras taken away in trafficking. This may be both a Q dog- whistle (after all, what about that ring in the basement of the pizza parlor) and a movie. A serious subject that should go beyond pulling the heart and purse strings, and analyzing and addressing the tragedy of human abuses.

    We definitely need (none / 0) (#202)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jul 18, 2023 at 04:57:57 PM EST
    An open thread.