R.I.P. Tina Turner and Open Thread

Legendary singer and performer Tina Turner died this week at age 83. If you haven't seen the movie "Tina", I highly recommend it. It's available on streaming services.

There are a million links to Tina singing Proud Mary. I love that song, but "You Better Be Good to Me" is the one that always gets me dancing. And of course, who can forget Tina in "The Acid Queen" role in rock opera Tommy. [More...]

No one moved their body better than Tina. And those legs! Here she is singing Brown Sugar with Mick Jagger.

Not long after she and Ike split up in the late 70's, she performed at a lot small clubs and hotels to make money. One of those years, I got to see her in concert at the Princess hotel in Acapulco. It was an outdoor stage. No assigned seating. I don't remember where my seat was, only that the entire concert everyone was on their feet dancing, and I was right at the stage. I've never been that close to a performer during a concert. I can't find any references to her performing at the Princess that night, other than this article by a a man who was a "Bi-lingual Steward" on the Acapulco route for Braniff Airlines from 1977 to 1982.

He writes about Acapulco and all the celebrities he flew back and forth, and says, "I flew Tina Turner back to the United States after a New Years Eve spectacular she’d performed at. Not sure who was suffering more on that flight, me or her."

Tina, thank you for your music, your energy, your talent and for sharing your life story. My condolences to her husband who knows better than all of us that she was Simply the Best.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    She reinvented herself (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 27, 2023 at 04:43:01 PM EST
    on MTV when she was in her 40s.  Not many could manage that.  

    ... for saving and rebooting her recording career. Capitol Records had promptly dropped her in 1976 when she had left and divorced Ike Turner. Seven years later, Bowie used his considerable influence to induce one key Capitol executive in particular to reconsider her potential:

    "In 1983 David Bowie did something very special and significant for me. We were on the same label, but the decision had been taken not to re-sign me. David, however, had just had his contract renewed by Capitol, who wanted to take him out to dinner that night in New York to celebrate. 'I'm sorry,' he told them, 'but I'm going to the Ritz to see my favorite singer perform.' And that was me.

    "Luckily it was a great show. Seeing it and the crowd's reaction turned 'round how Capitol viewed me. It was because of David that I got another deal, and everything else followed. I'll be ever thankful to him."

    Capitol A&R rep John Carter was the executive who had graciously accepted Bowie's invitation that fateful night to accompany him to the Ritz to see Tina Turner's show, and he was apparently blown away by her performance. He promptly went back to Capitol, prevailed upon his otherwise reluctant bosses to re-sign Ms. Turner to a recording contract and then personally managed her first solo album Private Dancer.

    And the rest, as they say, is history. In 2020, Private Dancer was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the National Recording Registry as "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant."

    Then-44-year-old Tina Turner's resurrection as a solo artist was a career comeback for the ages. Personally, were it not for my own appreciation of Private Dancer (and in particular, with Jeralyn's favorite track "Better Be Good to Me"), I don't know if I would have ever taken the time to become fully acquainted with her entire body of work, especially as co-lead of The Ike & Tina Turner Revue.

    Her 50-year musical legacy looms large.


    Yes (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 28, 2023 at 09:13:07 AM EST
    amazing and I much preferred her work in the 80's to anything she did with Ike.

    I agree! (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Zorba on Sun May 28, 2023 at 02:26:10 PM EST
    I think her talent was even way more recognized after she and Ike split.
    She was amazing.

    Ike (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 28, 2023 at 05:26:04 PM EST
    did not have a face for video

    Yeah, and according to Tina (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by leap2 on Sun May 28, 2023 at 05:37:07 PM EST
    he tried to make hers the same. He was an awful human being.

    It took a while for her, though. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 28, 2023 at 06:01:42 PM EST
    What Anna Mae Bullock aka Tina Turner did have as a singer was a natural and commanding stage presence, which Ike Turner almost immediately recognized. He rebuilt the entire Kings of Rhythm act around her and repackaged it as The Ike and Tina Turner Revue.

    Because his violent reputation now precedes him, I think a lot of people tend to forget that Ike Turner was a tremendous musical talent in his own right. Unfortunately, he was also an incredibly sexist bully.

    I think the volatility in Ike's personal relationship with Tina stemmed from his own insecurity, fueled by his gradual and jealous realization that she was the one that audiences really wanted to see. His violence toward her was a desperate effort to keep her from ever fully recognizing that herself, out of fear that she'd leave him once she did.

    But in the end, his brutalizing behavior and controlling personality only ensured that she would do exactly that - leave him, even if it was for her own physical survival. It was inevitable that after they split, her star would eventually eclipse his.

    It's a shame, really, given his own talent, but Ike Turner had only himself to blame for his subsequent fall from grace in the eyes of the public.



    PAXTON IS IMPEACHED (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 27, 2023 at 04:45:24 PM EST
    121 - 23

    Link (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 27, 2023 at 04:47:47 PM EST
    Desantis Failure to Launch (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by john horse on Mon May 29, 2023 at 04:49:23 AM EST
    In case you missed it, Ron Desantis recently announced that he is running for President, also known as his rapid unscheduled disassembly.

    Trump or Desantis is like, as the Rolling Stones once said, a choice between cancer and polio.  

    Good read (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 31, 2023 at 01:58:03 PM EST

    Beginning in 1943, the War Department published a series of pamphlets for U.S. Army personnel in the European theater of World War II. Titled Army Talks, the series was designed "to help [the personnel] become better-informed men and women and therefore better soldiers."

    On March 24, 1945, the topic for the week was "FASCISM!"

    I am bookmarking (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 01, 2023 at 07:31:07 PM EST
    this for my conservative friends who say today's conservatives are nothing like 3rd Reich conservatives.

    Rand Paul to help Dem chances in 2024 (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 31, 2023 at 07:13:08 PM EST
    Rand Paul to force Senate vote on potential cuts to Social Security, Medicare  

    A "no" vote opens GOP senators to criticism from conservatives who say that policymakers who exempt Social Security from reform are not serious about balancing the budget.
    A "yes" vote risks alienating seniors and other voters who are worried about seeing their Social Security and Medicare benefits cut.

    Can't cure stupid or people who indulge in self-inflicted injuries.

    Mark Meadows must have made a deal (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Peter G on Tue Jun 06, 2023 at 07:16:19 PM EST
    He testified at the grand jury today. The most insider of inside witnesses, in both the J6 and M-a-L/documents/obstruction parts of Smith's investigation.

    As I understand it (none / 0) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 06, 2023 at 08:16:08 PM EST
    this case about trans kids in FL is so narrow it only applies to the kids involved in the case.  But I read the judge said others can ask for the same protection.

    Seems an odd way to do it.  Was he not able to make it apply more broadly ?

    US judge blocks Florida ban on trans minor care in narrow ruling, says `gender identity is real'

    Hinkle's ruling was narrowly focused on the three children whose parents brought the suit. Simone Chriss, a lawyer for Southern Legal Counsel representing the parents, said she hopes health care providers and prosecutors see the ruling as applying statewide, like when Hinkle issued an injunction in 2014 declaring the state's same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional as it applied to a single couple.

    "The state no longer has any valid interest in enforcing something that's unconstitutional," Chriss said.

    As she spoke, DeSantis's office issued a statement saying the opposite, and the law will be enforced for all except the three children.

    DeSantis (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 10:18:06 AM EST
    is just awful.  Cruelty is the goal.  However, his position on this case is untenable.

    I don't see how enforcing the law (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 10:29:46 AM EST

    for all except the three children

    could even be legal.   But I'm not a lawyer.

    It shouldn't be legal.


    A civil lawsuit is, or ought to be, a request (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Peter G on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 07:43:40 PM EST
    by a plaintiff (or plantiffs) to resolve a legal claim against a defendant (or defendants). It cannot properly be a request to obtain an advisory (or even an authoritative) legal opinion on a controversial issue. If the complaint is properly framed as a class action, the decision may determine the rights of the plaintiff class against the defendant(s). Otherwise, it results in a judgment that determines the plaintiff's (or plaintiffs') rights, but no one else's. That judgment may be supported by an opinion explaining the rationale for the judgment. But the opinion is not binding on anyone else. At the trial court level the opinion is also at most persuasive authority for another judge in another case to consult. If that decision is appealed, the decision sets a binding precedent over all trial level courts within the jurisdiction of that appellate court. If the case is decided by the Supreme Court of a state, the precedent is binding on all courts within that state in all cases. If decided by the US Supreme Court, then the decision is binding precedent on that issue on all lower courts, state and federal.

    Thanks (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 08:05:38 PM EST
    It definitely makes Ron D. Santis look like a bit of a monster.  IMO.

    I guess I have another reason to dislike golf (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 10:36:09 AM EST

    Deal Promises Benefits to Trump

    June 7, 2023 at 11:05 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 36 Comments

    "The surprising deal on Tuesday ending a civil war in the world of professional golf stands to produce benefits for former President Donald Trump's family business by increasing the prospect of major tournaments continuing to be played at Trump-owned courses in the United States and perhaps abroad," the New York Times reports.

    "The outcome is the latest example of how the close relationship between Mr. Trump, the front-runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, and Saudi Arabia, whose sovereign wealth fund is the force behind the upheaval in the golf world, has proved beneficial to both sides even as it has prompted intense ethical scrutiny and political criticism

    ... I thought many of you might enjoy this rare and entirely unflattering view of the internal catfight at one of the nation's more venerable law firms:

    Los Angeles Times | June 7, 2023
    Revenge served ice cold? Top L.A. law firm outs former partners' racist, sexist emails - "Last month, Lewis, Brisbois, Bisgaard and Smith, one of the nation's largest law firms, was rocked by the announcement that two top partners were starting their own boutique practice and taking as many as 140 colleagues with them. ... But over the weekend, Lewis Brisbois struck back. In an extraordinary move, its management team directed the release of scores of emails in which [John] Barber and [Jeff] Ranen used vile terms for women, Black people, Armenians, Persians, and gay men and traded in offensive stereotypes of Jews and Asians. In one fell swoop, the venerable firm managed to torpedo its new rival, destroy the defecting partners' careers and send the legal establishment reeling."

    While some might see releasing this trove of emails as vengeful, because they also date back some 15 years it's very much a self-own as well.

    Didn't anyone at Lewis Brisbois see fit during all that time to call these two former partners out for their bigotry and sexism - particularly when one of them apparently short-circuited a discussion about a prospective new hire with "How about someone who's not a Jew"?

    These jokers are right out of the era of "Mad Men." Yikes!

    You should never say bad things about the dead, (5.00 / 3) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 07:28:31 AM EST
    only good.   Pat Robertson is dead.   Good.

    I hope he enjoys the heat. (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by desertswine on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 12:57:52 PM EST
    More proof for (none / 0) (#118)
    by jmacWA on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 08:48:30 AM EST
    Billy Joel's statement that Only the Good Die Young.

    A win for the good guys (5.00 / 2) (#119)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 10:03:22 AM EST
    Definitely a win for the good guys (none / 0) (#122)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 01:39:54 PM EST
    Verdict did surprise me though

    It's said (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 01:59:25 PM EST
    the decision could even impact other states with similar germanders districts.

    Kos (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 02:13:50 PM EST
    Seems everyone is as surprised (none / 0) (#125)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 02:23:29 PM EST
    by the verdict as I am. Having fairer voting districts would definitely be a good thing.

    A guy on MSNBC just said (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 03:57:28 PM EST
    Louisiana and GA will also be effected resulting in as many as 8 more progressive seats by 2024

    That's probably control



    Cormac McCarthy had died (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 14, 2023 at 07:19:59 AM EST
    Very sad.  Great writer.  He has been producing the first film version of Blood Meridian

    Cormac McCarthy, American novelist of the stark and dark, dies at 89

    If white Southerners are good at ... (none / 0) (#149)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 14, 2023 at 06:26:13 PM EST
    ... only one thing, I'd offer that it's producing quality writers and storytellers like Cormac McCarthy, Flannery O'Connor and William Faulkner. They sure knew how to spin a good yarn. Cormac's Blood Meridian is a bleak and dystopian masterpiece.

    Grilling tomorrow (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat May 27, 2023 at 04:44:01 PM EST
    Chops are marinating and I just put the pasta salad in the fridge.

    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Zorba on Sun May 28, 2023 at 02:28:12 PM EST
    I have some out of town relatives visiting. We will be grilling steaks tomorrow.

    What is your pasta salad? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 28, 2023 at 04:28:22 PM EST
    I have done many variations but Food Network magazine had a recipe with an Asian spin that I did.

    Tri color rotini (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 28, 2023 at 05:27:11 PM EST
    with lots of fresh vegs

    From what I can absorb from the internet's (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 28, 2023 at 05:32:01 PM EST
    republicans are sh!tting bricks and progressives are mostly whining quietly about the debt ceiling deal.  

    I think Joe came through with this debt ceiling thing.  

    I've read what's in it.  It's nothing bad for us.  Republicans got nothing but meaningless talking points.  

    This has been a master class is how to get what you want.  McCarthy was talking to reporters several times a day.  Biden basically never said anything.  He just got it done.

    Of course it has to pass but it will.

    W (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 28, 2023 at 05:35:58 PM EST

    Biden's Big Win in the Debt Limit Deal
    May 28, 2023 at 11:00 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 229 Comments

    Washington Post: "For Biden, one upside of the deal -- assuming it passes -- is that he will not have to deal with the debt ceiling again until after the next presidential campaign, because the agreement raises the debt ceiling until 2025. This was a top priority of the administration, which will be grateful to move past the messy fight over the debt limit that has provoked substantial criticism even among fellow Democrats."

    Dan Pfeiffer: "Let's be clear, this is shi+ty public policy foisted on the nation by a radical Republican House willing to blow up the economy and cause millions of jobs to vanish. Efforts to deal with deficits that do not include asking the wealthy and corporations to pay what they owe are cruel and wholly unserious. The tightening of access to aid for the most vulnerable Americans serves no purpose other than performative cruelty to appease the MAGA base."

    "But this could have been way worse in so many ways. The devil is very much in the details, but it seems like President Biden and his team outplayed McCarthy."

    Much has been made about the increase in (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 28, 2023 at 05:41:22 PM EST
    work requirements

    House Republicans had passed legislation that would create new work requirements for some Medicaid recipients, but that was left out of the final agreement.

    But the agreement would expand some work requirements for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, formerly known as food stamps. The agreement would raise the age for existing work requirements from 49 to 54, similar to the Republican proposal, but those changes would expire in 2030. The White House said it would at the same time reduce the number of vulnerable people at all ages who are subject to the requirements.



    Do they (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 29, 2023 at 07:33:01 AM EST
    think this kind of thing through? I know they believe this myth that there are millions of able bodied people collecting disabilty but my sister is disabled. She has paranoid Schizophrenia. She is stable right now but you never know what the future will be. Does a small business want to take on a known liability like that? With easy access to guns these days mentally ill people could go nuts and wipe out your entire workforce in a minute.

    D Kos (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 29, 2023 at 11:07:05 AM EST

    So I'm not a budget expert, but what that tells me is that whatever budgetary restrictions exist in the deal, they can easily be waived.

    Furthermore, responding to a seemingly sensible conservative noting that McCarthy's leverage was limited given that Democrats control the White House and the Senate, Vought furiously responded, "What exactly did [McCarthy] deliver on? You can't build on it because he gave every leverage point away for the remainder of Biden's tenure. The bill is worse than a clean debt limit."

    Savor that.

    The bill is worse than a clean debt limit.

    I actually don't know if that's true, to be sure. But I desperately hope it is.

    Not too bad for someone who ... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 29, 2023 at 12:27:46 PM EST
    ... Republicans love to disparage regularly as an old man in obvious cognitive decline.

    This sudden spontaneous eruption (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 29, 2023 at 04:24:25 PM EST
    of bipartisanship will be welcomed by many I think.

    It's odd to hear talk of both parties organizing their moderates.  It reminds me of when government used to work better.  


    Josh Marshall (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2023 at 07:48:55 AM EST

    When you go into a Denny's with a gun and say gimme the money, if you just get breakfast that's a fail.

    If the economy is so bad under Joe Biden, (none / 0) (#22)
    by Chuck0 on Mon May 29, 2023 at 04:45:26 PM EST
    where the heck is everyone getting the money to travel this past weekend? The news keeps telling me about all the people flying and driving for the holiday weekend.  

    The (none / 0) (#23)
    by FlJoe on Mon May 29, 2023 at 08:13:36 PM EST
    dirty little secret is, aside from inflation, just about every economic indicator has been ranging between pretty decent and gangbusters.

    Of course the media doesn't really point that out, even worse they let Repug after Repug come on an blather about how Biden destroyed the economy and just sit there and nos their heads.


    Even that..... (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2023 at 07:44:20 AM EST

    US economy Clearer signs of inflation cooling
    In year-over-year terms, the inflation rate slowed to 5%, the lowest since May 2021 and down from the peak of 9.1% last June.Apr 12, 2023

    This (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 30, 2023 at 09:33:09 AM EST
    And the loudest whiners get attention like the people that really can't afford rent but the dirty little secret there is they couldn't afford rent for about 10 years now.

    Would this be the same media that ... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 30, 2023 at 11:38:15 AM EST
    ... published a 3-byline, 1,700-word story yesterday about the 2024 Republican presidential field around Donald Trump, yet never even once mentioned the word "indictment"?

    I mean, how do you write an analysis of the GOP race without accounting for the fact that the current frontrunner has been charged with 34 felony counts in New York, with more counts on the way from Atlanta and D.C. by the end of summer?

    I suppose when you're Maggie Haberman, queen of access journalism, you can do anything.



    I live in a vacation area (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2023 at 07:45:53 AM EST
    they were saying they expected record breaking numbers of people last weekend.

    I have not left my house since Friday.

    Hell is other people


    Unfortunately, it is the people (none / 0) (#27)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 30, 2023 at 09:09:04 AM EST
    Living on the margins that are hurting due to the increase in prices for necessities like food, rent and gas.

    Yes (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 30, 2023 at 09:34:37 AM EST
    but that has been going on for about 10 or more years now. Ever since the end of the great recession where wages were kept artificially low while the cost of everything else was allowed to rise.

    For those who struggle to put food (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 31, 2023 at 12:06:18 PM EST
    on the table, the struggle has become much, much harder than it was just two years ago. The fact that it had been hard for the last 10 years does not make the fact that it is almost impossible to feed a family on a limited income now any less true or for that matter, acceptable.

    Monmouth good news (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2023 at 10:19:48 AM EST

    Trump Strongest Candidate Say GOP Voters

    Nearly half (45%) of Republican voters - including those who lean toward the GOP - say Trump is definitely the strongest candidate to beat President Joe Biden in 2024, and another 18% think he is probably the strongest candidate. Just one-third of GOP voters say another Republican would definitely (13%) or probably (19%) be a stronger candidate than Trump.

    By all means, Republicans, nominate ... (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 30, 2023 at 11:51:08 AM EST
    ... as president a man who's indicted on literally dozens of felony corruption and sedition counts in at least three separate venues. Watch what happens to you.

    I better stock up on popcorn.


    the irony (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 30, 2023 at 08:26:43 PM EST
    is considering the sorry lot running to be head Klown Kar Kulture warrior he probably is the strongest even indicted.

    The thought of yet another election with Trump makes me want to hurl.


    I disagree (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 31, 2023 at 08:45:51 AM EST
    IMO there's several who could represent a serious threat to Biden.  Fortunately they are to sane, as in not demonstrably batshi+ crazy,  to win the primary.  

    I get what (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 31, 2023 at 09:27:05 AM EST
    you are saying from a swing voter perspective. However I don't see any of the others being the WWC magnet that Trump is.

    If Trump isn't the nominee his base will sit home.


    I wonder if this is a real problem (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 30, 2023 at 04:54:05 PM EST
    for anyone

    House Oversight to Bring Contempt Charges Against Wray

    May 30, 2023 at 5:38 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 48 Comments

    "House Oversight Chair James Comer (R-KY) said Tuesday he plans to bring contempt of Congress proceedings against FBI Director Christopher Wray after the agency refused to provide a document reviewing an interaction with a confidential source," The Hill reports

    My 2 cents (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 30, 2023 at 08:23:37 PM EST
    Wray hasn't been doing his job the entire time. He's a federalist society hack and I find it funny that the GOP is going after him.

    If ever there were a case where a court (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Peter G on Wed May 31, 2023 at 08:37:33 AM EST
    might rule that Congress was violating the separation of powers by intruding into an Executive Branch function it might be a Congressional demand to expose the FBI's relationship with a confidential source or informant in an ongoing investigation.

    Don't (none / 0) (#36)
    by FlJoe on Wed May 31, 2023 at 08:11:55 AM EST
    get too excited, but Christie is throwing his hat into the ring per CNN.

    Word is that he is going to take tRump head on, something that the others seem loath to do. Could get interesting.

    Jim Geraghy (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 31, 2023 at 09:30:59 AM EST
    reported Christie left office with a 15% approval rating. He hugged Obama. He closed a bridge. He ended Rubio's presidential aspirations. He's all over the place but in the Trump critic lane it appears that Hutchinson is his only opposition.

    I guess he thinks Trump indictments are going to rocket him to the nomination.


    Most (none / 0) (#42)
    by FlJoe on Wed May 31, 2023 at 10:34:53 AM EST
    likely he is a stalking horse for meatball or someone else who gains traction.

    Probably aiming for AG in a possible Repug admin, a role that Kushner screwed him out of.


    Ironically (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 31, 2023 at 11:04:47 AM EST
    though the more that run the more they help Trump even if they think they are not. It would seem that Trump only sees #DeSaster as a threat

    KeysDan (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 31, 2023 at 08:33:16 AM EST
    I hope you are on a nice vaca someplace.

    Yes, back (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 31, 2023 at 02:40:07 PM EST
    from a very nice getaway--thanks for thinking about me.   Shielded from much of the news, but did follow the debt ceiling matter as best as I could.

    President Biden, once again, has been underestimated--for some reason (probably ageism, otherwise he would be 10 points higher in his polls).  Some, apparently, ave not noticed his 36 years in the senate, eight as vice president, and now, a presidency that has faced big challenges even before his inauguration.

    While the votes will soon tell the final story, it can be said at this point that Biden held back the onslaught of absurd demands, kept his agenda in tact, and got a two-year debt limit increase, and forestalled a government budget shutdown. The work-requirements for food stamps are among the worst components, but, then, homeless are not eligible as are veterans. Hopefully, some work around will be achieved for the older singles (50 to 54).

    McCarthy got to say that he made Biden negotiate when he said he wouldn't. As if Biden, did not intend to negotiate (after all the House is in the hands of fascists, aka Republicans). And, Biden learned from negotiations during the Obama Administration, except Obama did want a grand bargain (with cuts to social security per the Catfood Commission). That one did not work since Boehner could not deliver on the larger deal.

    Don't negotiate with terrorists, say some Democrats. Well, if a guy enters a bank and says he will blow it up if he is not given $1 billion, that is one set of negotiations.  However, if a guy enters a bank and says he will blow the place up if he is not given a free checking account, that is another negotiation situation.

    Apparently, McCarthy did not know exactly what he wanted, other own the libs and cuts to everything, but the forcing of a Republican budget, of sorts, showcased how outrageous their demands were.

    And, the chef's kiss was finalizing the deal over the holiday weekend, when members of Congress were off barbecuing and a backlash could not easily be organized. And, too, the media coverage was by second-stringers.


    note important (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by KeysDan on Wed May 31, 2023 at 02:42:23 PM EST
    type:  homeless and veterans are Now eligible for food stamps.

    The negotiations thing (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 31, 2023 at 02:56:38 PM EST
    was maybe the most brilliant.   And I think it was 100% planned.  He  said loudly and often he would not negotiate. Certainly knowing he would.  But it gave Kevin something meaningless, but really  important, to say he won.  

    So Kevin crows about humiliating Biden by making him negotiate while getting his azz handed to him.  

    It's brilliant.


    This cartoon by Mike Luckovich (5.00 / 4) (#49)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 31, 2023 at 04:34:09 PM EST
    is priceless and really highlights Joe's negotiating skills.



    His cartoons (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 01, 2023 at 07:26:08 PM EST
    are really the best.

    President Biden has emerged ... (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Jun 01, 2023 at 01:51:04 PM EST
    ... as arguably the deftest and most accomplished legislative deal broker to occupy the Oval Office since Lyndon Johnson back in the 1960s. He and V.P. Harris are now well-positioned for the 2024 race.

    Further, Republicans across the country and a GOP-dominated Supreme Court otherwise appear to be doing their absolute damnedest to alienate and pi$$ off as many political moderates as possible. And if the GOP nominee is indeed an indicted Donald Trump, then Democrats could potentially have a once-in-a-generation opportunity to really run up the score, not unlike the LBJ-led tidal wave that swamped Barry Goldwater and the GOP culture warriors in 1964.

    Okay, I'm off to Honolulu for a quick one-day work trip and they're calling my flight. I'll be back home tonight.



    Even the nuts (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 01, 2023 at 07:27:23 PM EST
    aren't buying this as a "win" for Kevin.

    One of MSNBCs better legal guys (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed May 31, 2023 at 09:19:06 PM EST
    said tonight that she as far as Jack Smiths schedule  she had been told to watch the anniversary of the FBI search.  That was Aug 8th.  We have already been told Fani is planning around the same week.  It would be something for both to happen the same week.   Or the same day.

    And it kind of makes sense.  It's the dog days of summer.  July 4 with all it's opportunity for domestic terrorism will be over.

    Not soon enough (5.00 / 4) (#53)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jun 01, 2023 at 02:51:35 PM EST
    Truly (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 01, 2023 at 07:33:49 PM EST
    Every week it is a few more weeks.

    For political reasons though I think they have to issue the indictments before Labor Day. Still like you say not soon enough.


    Not as soon as we would like (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 02, 2023 at 05:07:36 PM EST
    but it puts other GOP candidates in an awkward place.

    They can read the same stuff we do.  If they assume Trump is going to be slammed with a double whammie in the fall do the WAIT till the fall to talk about it.  

    Christie probably won't but it will fun to see how long they play along.  If Cheeto is still 30 points ahead when the indictments drop that would probably be chaos.  

    Who said chaos is a ladder?


    I think (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jun 02, 2023 at 09:13:11 PM EST
    they wait until indictments drop to discuss it. Judging by the way they handled the E. Jean verdict they will totally wet the bed.

    Your ex-governor has been a critic too but Christie probably will drown him out.

    What happens with the 35% that won't vote for other Republicans.


    I hope they stay home (none / 0) (#73)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jun 03, 2023 at 08:28:50 AM EST
    and get shingles

    Also think (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 02, 2023 at 05:11:03 PM EST
    the 4th might be a consideration. The country is a powder keg. Not great to announce this in June.  

    No 4th gathering would be safe.


    Littlefinger (none / 0) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jun 02, 2023 at 05:16:08 PM EST
    Littlefinger said chaos is a ladder.

    Look what happened to him.


    I know we all (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 01, 2023 at 07:32:49 PM EST
    laughed about Jeb Bush endorsing Rhonda as the kiss of death but I have to tell you conservatives are calling Rhonda a "ringer" for the Bush family and Paul Ryan and he's only pretending to be MAGA and not the real thing.

    You can't make this crap up.

    For some (none / 0) (#59)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jun 01, 2023 at 09:15:24 PM EST
    reason, Ari Melber had as a guest, James Comey.  He appeared unrecognizable at first, until he spoke. And, in the process of pushing his new book of fiction, he opined that TFG would not be indicted on J6 crimes because it would be difficult to prove "criminal intent".   There was mention of his handling of how Hillary emailed, which brought, it seemed to me, a smirk.

    Obama (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jun 02, 2023 at 08:34:29 AM EST
    has a lot of bad picks but Comey was legendary bad.

    Comey was on Dealine Whitehouse (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jun 02, 2023 at 10:49:42 AM EST
    as well. He claimed that his statements about Hillary right before the election were definitively the right thing to do. Nicole Wallace came back at him a couple of times but he stuck to his story that he did the right thing regardless of the outcome. What seemed to be forgotten that his actions went against long standing department policy.

    I don't think (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jun 02, 2023 at 11:57:24 AM EST
    we can ever expect Comey to acknowledge the poor judgment, if not malfeasance, in his handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation and the devastating impact upon the country---starting with his commentary when announcing on July 5, 2016, that, based upon a thorough investigation, no criminal charges would be brought.

    That should have been the extent of his announcement; however, he continued with a gratuitous commentary, including admonition that the former Secretary of State was "extraordinarily careless", but no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.

    And, then of course, was the "reopening" of this decision a week or so before the election with an "oh, never-mind"  just days before.


    I'm glad I missed that. (none / 0) (#150)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Jun 14, 2023 at 06:34:44 PM EST
    If we never hear from James Comey again, it will still be too soon. His pompous ego, misguided sense of moral rectitude and appalling lack of situational awareness cost this country very dearly. I'm not at all surprised that he doesn't quite see things that way - but then, his kind almost never do.

    So He Thinks No Indictment in Georgia? (none / 0) (#61)
    by RickyJim on Fri Jun 02, 2023 at 09:23:02 AM EST
    Comey seemed (none / 0) (#62)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jun 02, 2023 at 09:39:15 AM EST
    to be speaking to federal investigations.  It was his opinion, for what it is worth.

    He also has (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jun 02, 2023 at 10:16:21 AM EST
    said that TFG should be pardoned by Biden. WHat is wrong with him? My guess is that it is guilt from aiding and abetting Trump into office.

    IMO (none / 0) (#65)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jun 02, 2023 at 10:51:19 AM EST
    he is not as against Trump or for the rule of law as he tries to claim.

    Former Vice President Pence will not be charged (none / 0) (#67)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jun 02, 2023 at 12:24:55 PM EST
    in the discovery of classified documents at his Indiana home. The DOJ has closed the case. No Special Prosecutor was appointed to investigate Pence's handling of documents.

    In the case of President Biden, Merrick Garland named a Special Counsel, Robert Hur, to lead the investigation of documents while Biden was vice president.  The status of Hur's work, apparently, has not been concluded.

    This is good (5.00 / 3) (#71)
    by Peter G on Fri Jun 02, 2023 at 09:08:59 PM EST
    First, it sets a precedent for a declination on the Biden documents.  And even more important, it contributes to the message, which will be critical when Tr*mp is charged, that what Tr*mp did is categorically different from and exponentially worse than any other former President or Vice President's mishandling or retention of documents.

    Reality (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 08:28:40 AM EST
    this movie just dropped on MAX

    it's very good and could not be more timely.  I remember this incident mostly because of the person's name.  Reality Winter.
    But few of the details beyond classified docs were involved.

    It's a great example of what happens to a regular person who mishandles one (1) classified document.
    She goes to jail for five years.

    But also interesting, and clearly played down in the news reports I saw, was the content of the doc she leaked to The Intercept.

    It showed Russia did, in fact, meddle in the 2016 election.

    It's worth the time.  The movie dialogue is taken completely from a long taped conversation with FBI agents.  Mostly in her driveway.

    It a creepy story.

    I watched it last night. (none / 0) (#76)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 12:27:54 PM EST
    It's Winner, not Winter. It was definitely interesting. Makes you wonder why cheeto isn't locked up.

    Spell check (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 12:45:01 PM EST
    got me.

    On that subject (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 12:55:34 PM EST
    the GJ is meeting after a long break on Wed.

    COULD mean indictments.

    I was wondering, if they do hand out indictments would we necessarily know right away?  


    NBC (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 12:57:51 PM EST
    I am (none / 0) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 04:02:18 PM EST
    sure one of our legal experts will correct me if i'm wrong but IIRC the NY indictments on Trump were made by the GJ 1 week before we knew about it. I think we only know when the justice deparatment unseals them.

    The New York indictment was under state law (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Peter G on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 06:02:01 PM EST
    and thus subject to NY State's criminal procedure rules. A federal indictment is public when "handed up" (filed) unless the DoJ moves to keep it under seal and a judge grants that motion, generally to allow a surprise arrest. (I honestly am not aware of any other reason to seal an indictment.) Since a surprise arrest is highly unlikely in the case of TFG, a filing under seal seems inapt to me. That said, sometimes as a courtesy the DoJ will advise the soon-to-be-indicted (but not to be arrested or detained) defendant's attorney privately of the anticipated date and time of the return of the indictment, so the defense can choose, if they wish, to be in the courthouse at that time to allow a quick arraignment (and escape out a side door) and thus to avoid a circus. (I have requested and been granted that courtesy a couple of times in 40 years.) Frankly, there is concrete reason with this guy to seek detention (threats to witnesses, mishandling of evidence), so I don't know whether that courtesy would be extended, even if they don't seriously expect to try to "lock him up" upon indictment.

    Thanks (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 06:29:09 PM EST
    But would we know it it was handed up under seal.  

    In other words would we know there was an indictment just not what was in it?


    No (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Peter G on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 07:24:55 PM EST
    There is no in-between that I know of in federal court, as in NYS there was, where the fact of an indictment is public, but not the contents.

    Also do they have to announce it (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 07:06:34 PM EST
    (probably not the correct term) as soon as the GJ decides or can he do it when it suits him?

    Thanks in advance.


    Not when the GJ decides, no (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Peter G on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 07:28:46 PM EST
    It is public when the indictment is "handed up" by the GJ foreperson (but really by the prosecutor) in a courtroom to a federal judge. I do think it is therefore possible there could be some fairly brief delay (again, for purposes of managing the press/public circus perhaps) between the vote and the formal (public) filing.

    Robert Costsa (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 05, 2023 at 08:26:23 AM EST

    Two sources with knowledge of the investigation tell CBS that Trump's legal team could meet with Justice Department officials this week on the classified-documents case. Special counsel's office has declined to comment. No response from Trump's lawyers today on the possibility.

    Jack Smith was at the meeting today (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 05, 2023 at 04:22:48 PM EST
    Garland was not.  It really seems like the end game.  

    We are getting substantially into (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 04:34:02 PM EST
    the primary.  If they are going to do this thing before the next election time's a wastin'

    But the 4th......


    With the (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 05, 2023 at 07:21:59 PM EST
    reports today of Trumps laawyers meeting with the SC it making it sound like the indictment i imminent.

    That, and TFG ranting on his "T Social" (none / 0) (#95)
    by Peter G on Mon Jun 05, 2023 at 09:21:21 PM EST
    platform about the terrible unfairness of being indicted. Seems pretty evidently a reaction to being told by his lawyers what is happening. The man cannot shut up. A prosecutor's dream target.

    ... like it's a "Get Out of Jail Free" card. If / when he's indicted, Jack Smith and DOJ are not going to postpone his trial and prosecution in order to accommodate the election calendar.

    I hope you are correct. (none / 0) (#120)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 11:28:19 AM EST
    Because you have to know that was his plan when he announced when he did.

    I hope they do it (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 04:37:43 PM EST
    I plan to be on my deck over the 4th.

    Just seems with all the planning like the announcements Fani has been making  to get LE ready for domestic unrest when the hammer drops they might want to slide past it.   Election or not.  


    By orders of Donald Trump per report (none / 0) (#127)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 04:10:42 PM EST
    "Former president Donald Trump's chief of staff, Mark Meadows, removed more than a thousand pages of classified documents from the White House late at night on the final evening of Trump's presidency," Murray Waas reports.

    political wire


    Just my 2 cents (none / 0) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 04:05:15 PM EST
    but plenty of people leak classified information ot the press. Her mistake was leaking it to the The Intercept which is basically a Putin house organ.

    Chuck Todd is (none / 0) (#75)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jun 04, 2023 at 11:40:13 AM EST
    leaving Meet the Press, to be replaced by Kristen Welker. In keeping with the creativity he has demonstrated, he wants " to spend more time with his family".

    Todd is to NBC what Peter Baker is to the NYTimes: kings of bothsiderism (is slavery bad? Views differ). Todd pushed back on critics who believed he should exclude Republicans who supported the January 6 insurrection, arguing "you've got to be careful of absolutes".

    This is very interesting (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 05, 2023 at 10:27:24 AM EST

    Can Ozempic reduce cravings for alcohol and other addictions? Woman shares story

    I have an anecdote
    My best friend is an alcoholic.  He would tell you this himself. Of all the people I ever knew he is the most shamelessly addicted to drink.  
    I would never ever have believed he would or could stop drinking.  

    He's was taking ozempic and he just stopped.

    Just stopped.  If you know any serious alcoholics you know how amazing that is.

    He has not had a drink in more than 2 months.    

    Ozembic seems to be (5.00 / 3) (#91)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 05, 2023 at 02:48:17 PM EST
    a brain scold, telling you to do all those things that we know are good for you.  The drug is a glucagon-like peptide 1 receptor agonist (GLP-1) approved for treatment of type 2 diabetes, which works by, apparently, stimulating the pancreas to produce insulin and reduces insulin resistance (curbs production of glucagon by the liver).

    In a similar vein (so to speak) to Viagra, initially geared for the treatment of hypertension that had a side effect of relaxing muscle cells in vessels supplying the penIs, and,hence, the blood flow, Ozembic exhibits a side effect which may be added to the armamentarium of drugs used for conditions other than diabetes.

    A side effect of Ozembic is used "off label" to treat obesity. The drug slows down digestion and stomach emptying time, giving the feeling of being fuller longer. Moreover, the drug seems to affect areas of the brain that regulate the desire for food.

    Another side effect noted from the use of Ozembic in treatment of diabetes or obesity, is a decreased desire for alcoholic beverages, leading to usage in alcohol use disorder. The results have been encouraging so far, but more study is necessary.

    Observations include alcohol avoidance even in those who drink moderately with a more dramatic effect seen in those who are obese than those who are not.

    Ozembic is a maintenance drug. Observations, to date, note that discontinuance in the treatment of the overweight is likely to result in gain of weight. And, parallel observations may occur in the treatment of alcohol use disorder.

    Maintenance drugs bring the added concern for serious side effects, which in the case of Ozembic seems to center around thyroid tumors and low blood sugar levels--suggesting careful monitoring.


    My friend has type 2 (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 05, 2023 at 03:28:24 PM EST
    and he really wanted it for the weight loss.  And it worked for that too. He lost about 30 lbs.  he stopped taking it because of the digestive effects.
    I guess the stuff has actually caused bowel obstructions.  He is still so far enjoying the lack of interest in alcohol.  

    The goal was never to stop drinking. In fact I don't think I ever heard him express a desire to stop drinking. More that anyone I know he was very comfortable with it.

    He just now says it is "unappealing".

    From a guy who never drank until 5 and rarely saw 9.


    Read it before you laugh (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 06, 2023 at 08:31:14 AM EST
    I just want to know (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 06, 2023 at 09:39:03 AM EST
    I doubt the "aliens" are a threat (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 06, 2023 at 04:28:32 PM EST
    or we would probably be dead.

    But, saying I'm wrong, I wonder if that kind of threat would unite us as a species  


    Licht's out at CNN (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 08:01:57 AM EST
    I am very (none / 0) (#107)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 01:58:00 PM EST
    pleased with this development.  Not that Licht's replacement will be any better. He/she won't (I like Tucker's prospects).  But, he is the first major media figure to suffer consequences for kissing the hem of Trump's garment, thinking 2016 is the same as 2023.

    Maybe, just maybe, the media kids is learning.


    Don't (none / 0) (#108)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 03:05:15 PM EST
    be harsh, our media is always "learning".

    It's too bad that they are also always "forgetting".


    I see that librarians, booksellers and publishers (none / 0) (#105)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 12:33:45 PM EST
    are suing in Arkansas over Act 372, the "book ban law". Have none of these people, including the current governor ever heard of this nifty thing call the INTERNET. Separate, ban, do whatever, and any 9 years can find that same thing on the internet in less than 60 seconds. Stupid is as stupid does.

    I think they know (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 01:03:08 PM EST
    It's purely performative.  

    They got this covered (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 05:38:02 PM EST

    Arkansas Bill Establishing Gun Rights for Medical Marijuana Patients Becomes Law

    I can now legally carry a concealed weapon and a medical pot card.  


    Raw Story (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 03:46:02 PM EST

    It is understood that the former North Carolina congressman (Meadows) will plead guilty to several federal charges as part of a deal for which he has already received limited immunity in exchange for his testimony," Feinberg wrote.

    Feinberg also reported that special counsel Jack Smith is prepared to ask for an indictment of Trump as soon as Thursday


    Don't know what happened there (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 04:04:51 PM EST

    Delete it


    During Pences long winded announcement (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 07, 2023 at 05:19:19 PM EST
    I switched among the news channels.  FOX did not carry it or discuss it when it happened.

    I found that curious.

    Indictment watch (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 05:36:56 PM EST
    are they going to do a Friday new dump?

    Trump has announced he's been indicted (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 06:35:26 PM EST
    Not a bad idea to let him announce it.

    ABC (none / 0) (#130)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 06:37:22 PM EST
    He is to appear in court on Tuesday (none / 0) (#131)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 06:49:20 PM EST
    I wonder if we will know the details of the indictment(s) before then

    Seven charges (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 07:01:44 PM EST
    No other detsils

    Counts (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 07:09:52 PM EST
    It's under seal but Trump announced it

    As I wrote earlier (none / 0) (#134)
    by Peter G on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 07:35:41 PM EST
    I do not understand why the indictment would be under seal, where the defendant is summoned to court and not to be arrested, but perhaps it is. Perhaps, given Tr*mp's own announcement, the Special Prosecutor will move tomorrow to unseal it.

    Seven counts (5.00 / 4) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 07:37:53 PM EST
    pride, envy, wrath, gluttony, lust, sloth, and greed

    Is it possible (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 07:42:12 PM EST
    they expected him to announce it?  I think it's tactically not bad.  

    New thread up on Trump's Indictment (none / 0) (#137)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 08, 2023 at 07:54:44 PM EST
    let's take this there

    I think they will miss George (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 12, 2023 at 03:39:43 PM EST

    The 37-year-old, who goes by Alex, told the Wall Street Journal that he is "more political" than his 92-year-old father

    Billionaire George Soros says he is ceding control of empire to younger son Alex Soros

    Succession (none / 0) (#139)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 12, 2023 at 04:06:53 PM EST
    Much for the fascists to hate with Alex.  He is smart. An intellectual. An historian with a PhD from UC Berkeley, thesis: "Jewish Dionysus: Heine, Nietzsche and Politics of Literature".

    Check out this ad from the Koch Network (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 12, 2023 at 04:44:25 PM EST
    Did the Grand Wizard, named as such (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 12, 2023 at 07:05:16 PM EST
    by Denee Benton, watch the Tony's?

    Governor DeSantis ordered the flags lowered at half-mast for Remembrance of the Pulse mass murders.  

    Maybe, his memo was misinterpreted, should be ... a fAg is to be lowered at half-mast.


    I'm watching Christie on CNN (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 12, 2023 at 07:07:29 PM EST
    It's always a little shocking to see a republicans speak true about Trump.  

    He's actually pretty good (5.00 / 3) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 12, 2023 at 07:31:51 PM EST
    I can see his numbers doubling to 2%

    On Morning Joe (none / 0) (#144)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 12, 2023 at 07:50:20 PM EST
    one of them was saying that Christie was getting loaded up with Wall Street money because he had the nerve to stand up to Trump. Apparently Wall Street really wants to be rid of Trump though for what reason I don't know because he gives them what they want.

    With 37 counts of espionage Lindsay thinks that Trump still should be president. However his screaming meltdown with George S. let me know that the GOP thinks they are going to get killed in 2024. They won't admit it publicly but they can see the GOP circling the drain.


    The Republican Party (5.00 / 3) (#145)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jun 12, 2023 at 09:39:28 PM EST
    circling the  drain would be the best thing that could happen to the country.

    Saying the quiet part out loud (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by Jack E Lope on Tue Jun 13, 2023 at 03:26:05 PM EST
    ...gets more backlash than Wall Street would like. They may have realized that markets need some stability to work reliably. The "Eat The Rich" tipping point may seem too close.

    There are Patriotic Millionaires who are educating voters about the monied interests that work against them. (I thank NPR for calling that to my attention.)


    FOX NEWS 6pm hour (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jun 13, 2023 at 06:06:17 PM EST
    Jesse Watters, leads with the trans flasher at the White House.

    Watters.. (none / 0) (#153)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 30, 2023 at 05:13:29 PM EST
    Now I know why they got rid of Tucker. They had a meeting at Fox and determined that he didn't have a punchable enough face.
    They made up for it with Watters.

    SITE VIOLATER (none / 0) (#152)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jul 22, 2023 at 02:40:25 PM EST