2024: A Year to Avoid Past Mistakes

For much of the world, this was not a good year.

In welcoming 2024, let's hope it brings peace to the Middle East and the Ukraine. And hope that we finally can put the corona-virus and all its mutations behind us.

And last but not least, can disaffected and marginalized Americans, as well the rest of the Republican party, please shake off their bitterness and discontent long enough to realize that Donald Trump is nothing more than a dulled and failed artifact of the past.

With that, TalkLeft wishes everyone everywhere a happy, healthy and prosperous new year.

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    Happy New Year to all! (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Zorba on Mon Jan 01, 2024 at 03:21:40 PM EST
    Or, in Greek: Καλή Χρονιά!

    Also, (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Zorba on Mon Jan 01, 2024 at 03:48:34 PM EST
    Happy St. Basil's Day.

    Happy New Year. (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 01, 2024 at 03:51:53 PM EST
    We've already eaten the southern new year's meal of black eyed peas, collards and corn bread.

    My wife, whose family is from Kentucky (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Peter G on Mon Jan 01, 2024 at 04:54:28 PM EST
    makes "hoppin' John" every New Years. Which is basically a seasoned mix of black-eyed peas and collard greens. She made her molasses/spice Christmas cookies this year with garam masala added. Wow, that was good.

    My wife, from Oklahoma, also makes her (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by desertswine on Mon Jan 01, 2024 at 08:44:46 PM EST
    version of hoppin' John every New Year's.  However, in deference to my heritage, we always enjoy it with a big fat kielbasy.

    oue heritage goes with (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by leap2 on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 08:33:47 AM EST
    pickled herring and pumpernickel for the new year. Yummmmmm!

    For the first time (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 05:43:42 PM EST
    in many years, I did not eat black peas on New Year's Day. Somehow I've lost affection for previous southern traditions. I used have an affinity for the south because my parents were from Mississippi and we had family there. I now could give a flying eff.

    I was happy to see Auburn, Alabama, and Texas all lose this past weekend in bowl games.

    I was born in Maryland, not far from where I presently live in PA. (Yeah, I know Maryland was technically a southern state, but was prevented by Lincoln from seceding.) I have come to consider myself a Marylander. I love steamed shrimp, crab cakes, the Terrapin and the Ravens.

    Even though I've lived in PA for nearly 18 years now, I have never really embraced this place. People in this part of PA are not friendly and are a bit parochial. (Peter, I do like me some Philadelphia. People there ARE friendly. I wandered into a south Philly local tavern once to kill some time and knew everyone in the bar before I left. Keep the cheesesteaks though, I'll take a roast pork with provolone any day.)


    I have (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 08:25:38 AM EST
    made Hoppin John in the past. My grandmother who was from the low country made it every year for New Year's but I usually just stick to black eyed peas. I used Emeril's recipe one time and it was delicious.

    Regarding black eyed peas (none / 0) (#56)
    by john horse on Sun Jan 07, 2024 at 12:58:29 PM EST
    As you probably know, its a scientific fact that the more black eyed peas you eat on New Years the more money you'll get.

    Did you use a ham hock with those peas?


    No (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 07, 2024 at 01:24:33 PM EST
    I couldn't find a ham hock when I went to the grocery store. I guess they were all sold out. However I found country ham pieces to put in the back eyed peas.

    New Years Day (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 10:47:10 AM EST
    I had a morning visit from a member of our city's police force. The very nice officer was checking to make sure I and my property was ok. Seems a bullet went through my neighbor's roof. A mental giant, gun owner celebrated the new year by shooting bullets up in the air. Once up in the air, they do come down. Luckily it was a roof that can be repaired and not a person. Some people are just too stupid to own guns.

    Glad (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 11:15:23 AM EST
    you were safe and kudos to the police for checking. Yes, revelers who use guns as firecrackers are reckless and irresponsible (aka morons).

    One fourth of july a couple years back, (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by desertswine on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 04:51:09 PM EST
    late at night a bullet came through one of our windows.  Luckily it was a basement window.  It just bounced around a bit without doing any harm, except to the window, which was broken.  People can be so stupid, someone could have been hurt or even killed.

    When I bought this house (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 05:08:50 PM EST
    which had been empty for a long time with evidence of squatters there was a bullet hole in one of the front windows.  But there was no impact in the house.  I looked.  So it had to be done from inside,  I hope it was a deer.  

    But police have been here twice looking for the previous owner.


    Remove Perry from the ballot? (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 04:09:06 PM EST
    I think Perry is sweating keeping his seat. (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 05:23:58 PM EST
    I got the first piece of mail, ever, from Scott Perry today. Not really a campaign piece, but a mailer telling me what services he can provide and the address of all his local offices. As far as I am concerned, I have no representation in the House. I wouldn't ask that SOB to help an old lady across the street.

    There are at least 4 (maybe 5) declared candidates for the Democratic nomination. Two of which, I believe, can easily beat Perry this time around.

    I'm doubtful this lawsuit gets much traction.


    It might (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 05:41:09 PM EST
    keep it in the news

    I keep waiting (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 07:08:56 PM EST
    for the congress members to get indictments like Perry & Marge.

    Georgia largely supports insurrection and treason so I'm not sure an indictment against one of our reps would keep them from being elected.


    I keep waiting (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 07:08:56 PM EST
    for the congress members to get indictments like Perry & Marge.

    Georgia largely supports insurrection and treason so I'm not sure an indictment against one of our reps would keep them from being elected.


    The lunatics have taken over the asylum (none / 0) (#27)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 08:29:24 PM EST
    Kids, with no age minimum, can now open carry firearms in Missouri.

    Republican morons in Missouri should all be charged with child endangerment, among other things.

    I'd add that Second Amendment absolutist enablers in other parts of the country aren't much better.


    Not just anyone can file (much less win) (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Peter G on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 06:29:18 PM EST
    one of these suits. Someone has to ask the state official responsible for certifying a ballot to exclude the candidate (a registered voter in that party, for a primary; or a competing candidate, I think), and then, if the official (typically, the state's Secretary of State) does not comply, then sue that official in state court to challenge the decision. The pro se plaintiff here is a well-known crackpot/gadfly litigator with little or no idea of how to bring or win a court case. The complaint does not allege that he is a registered Republican (just that he is a voter) and does not allege that the state SoS has refused (or even been asked) to declare Perry disqualified from running in the primary for Congress again. Going nowhere. Not that the plaintiff isn't right, but someone who knows what they're doing would have to bring the case.

    Judicial reform (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jan 04, 2024 at 12:32:49 PM EST
    should be front and center in the Biden campaign. Reform is needed for the Supreme Court even if the blatant corruption of Alito and Thomas and the ideological agenda of many Republican-appointed judges to the circuit and district courts are discounted.

    Cases, such as Trump's immunity, that are of existential import to the country, may  be decided by five of the nine justices.   Cases taken to be decided by four justices.  Affecting a country of 332 million people. Three justices appointed by Trump, two by W.Bush, one by Daddy Bush.

    Federal circuit courts seem riddled with ideologues as part of a concerted effort by Leonard Leo and his billionaires. An egregious example is the Fifth Circuit's upholding of a ban on US enforcement of guidelines in Texas requiring ER docs to perform abortions if necessary to stabilize ER patients  The guidelines, based on the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, can require emergency stabilization even in states where abortion
    is banned. And, the Court's rulings use language such as "the unborn child", which seems ideologically revelatory.  The upshot: let'm die.

    And, it is becoming apparent that Trump is letting it be known that he expects his Supreme Court appointees to stand back and stand by, in so many words, with his lawyer surrogate saying Trump is worried that these justices will try to appear neutral and make the wrong call.  We will see, at our peril, if the bullying works.

    Court reform was discussed by Hillary, but her advice was not heeded.  Time to seriously consider the various suggestions including increasing SC members and expanding circuits. Maybe expansion based on population rather than regions. The campaign is the right place to start, once again.

    Yes. (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 04, 2024 at 05:10:48 PM EST
    The 5th circuit decision will lead to what happened in Ireland. A woman died of sepsis because the doctors wouldn't perform an abortion. And frankly even in the states that have exceptions they are pretty worthless. The lawyers have told the doctors not to do an abortion on a rape survivor because it could come back to haunt them. They are sending rape patients to other states for care. Lawyers and legal teams are deciding what doctors can do. I'm surprised there isn't more commentary by doctors about how this ruins their careers and frankly if I were an OB/GYN I would try my best to stay out of practicing in a red state.

    A message from the Boss, (none / 0) (#49)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jan 06, 2024 at 11:50:53 AM EST
    to the Supreme Court.  Last night in Iowa.   "......I just hope we get fair treatment because if we don't, our country is in big, big trouble. Does everybody understand  what I am saying?"

    They are openly calling (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 06, 2024 at 02:26:31 PM EST
    out justices by name, Trump and his lawyers.

    Can't imagine the the justices are happy about that.


    Yes. Trump (none / 0) (#51)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jan 06, 2024 at 02:50:55 PM EST
    lawyer, Alina Habba, went quid pro quo on  Justice Kavanaugh saying he owed Trump.  

    They accepted (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 07, 2024 at 06:15:30 AM EST
    A nomination from Trump so they are getting what they asked for.

    Political wire (5.00 / 5) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 05, 2024 at 09:26:01 AM EST

    "One attack, two interpretations: Biden and Trump both make the Jan. 6 riot a political rallying cry."

    -- Associated Press, January 5, 2024.

    "Next by the AP: Julia Child and Jeffrey Dahmer are two famous cooks with different approaches to ingredients."

    -- Stuart Stevens, on X.

    Bothsides (none / 0) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jan 05, 2024 at 10:07:35 AM EST
    Peter Baker, last night:  Trump's $7,8 million  same as Hunter's laptop,

    The worm seems to have turned (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 05, 2024 at 03:04:45 PM EST

    Biden accuses Trump of `assault on democracy' and says `it's what he's promising for the future'

    It was a powerful speech.  Trumps words and threats are going to be the most effective weapon against him.  

    Agreed (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jan 05, 2024 at 03:40:34 PM EST
    A passionate, no holds barred speech.   No longer, TFG--now it is Trump!   Repeated, and repeated.  The silent pause after recalling Trump's  calling soldiers in  the military cemetery, suckers and losers--  followed by referring to Trump as a sick  (bleep).showed righteous indignation.

    I have not enjoyed anything (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 05, 2024 at 03:53:14 PM EST
    that much in a while

    A welcome (none / 0) (#41)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jan 05, 2024 at 04:11:08 PM EST
    barn burner,

    An Excellent Summary of where we are today (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by jmacWA on Sat Jan 06, 2024 at 09:30:50 AM EST
    by Lyle Denniston.  See the Jan 6 entry on his site.  Google him...

    for reasons unknown I am currently unable to post a link, when I use the tool it puts the link in, but when I hit preview it shows the anchor html instead of adding the link.

    This? (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 06, 2024 at 09:45:57 AM EST
    YEP (none / 0) (#48)
    by jmacWA on Sat Jan 06, 2024 at 10:30:42 AM EST
    It must have been a short term glitch, because no it works for me too.  I thought this was excellent and very readable for us non-lawyers.

    I hope this works (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 06, 2024 at 05:52:00 PM EST
    the effects of false Equivalency

    Which is a cartoon from the 2016 Clinton/Trump campaign but is eerily topical

    Like I said Trump looks bad (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 13, 2024 at 07:21:58 PM EST

    Ron Filipkowski

    Arriving in Iowa tonight, Trump looked a lot like George Washington.

    I mean how Washington looks right now

    oof, he does (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by leap2 on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 12:37:18 AM EST
    First the hair..... (none / 0) (#141)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 09:23:02 AM EST
    He needs to be careful about unbuttoning the shirt below the makeup line.

    He does appear to be walking (none / 0) (#142)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 10:49:22 AM EST
    like the old man he is (going on 78). Looks like he walking how I do on days my arthritis is acting up. Which is totally legit; he is three years older than I am.

    I was not talking about his gait (none / 0) (#156)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 05:09:42 PM EST
    I was personally talking about how he looks.  Up close.  

    I realize you were talking about his face (none / 0) (#166)
    by Peter G on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 02:20:56 PM EST
    I was not disagreeing, just underscoring that with the comment on how he appears to be walking, which is consistent with the inference you drew.

    He really does look bad (none / 0) (#149)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 03:55:06 PM EST
    there. Makeup obviously has not arrived yet.

    Shoveling (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 09:28:55 AM EST
    can't open this link- (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by leap2 on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 09:49:38 AM EST
    need an instagram account

    It opened for me. (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by fishcamp on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 01:37:18 PM EST
    No problemo

    Try (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 11:02:53 AM EST
    Yes, that worked! (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by leap2 on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 01:32:32 PM EST
    Could you blow 9.5" of snow off a sidewalk?

    No (none / 0) (#168)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 02:38:29 PM EST
    I just used a shovel on my driveway.

    I had been using the leaf blower every couple of hours since it started yesterday.  So I didn't let it pile up on the deck.

    It's very light so not the worst to shovel.


    My guess would be (none / 0) (#170)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 02:43:49 PM EST
    about 7 inches

    For the record though (none / 0) (#171)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 05:09:03 PM EST
    it would have worked on the driveway if I had been willing to blow it off every couple of inches like I did the deck.  I might try that next time

    And because it was very cold light snow.

    I have a long steep cement driveway.  That's sort of like a ski jump at the bottom


    That is a (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 02:34:18 PM EST
    really, really BIG deck.

    It is (none / 0) (#169)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 02:42:23 PM EST
    I replaced all the decking summer before last.  

    You're scaring (none / 0) (#162)
    by Zorba on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 01:15:31 PM EST
    the poor dog with your snow blower!

    He actually loves (none / 0) (#163)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 01:27:02 PM EST
    when I chase him with it

    It is now (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 11:26:59 AM EST
    documented that the state of Iowa (population 3,100,000) has at least 100,000 certifiable citizens. Of this number, there are 56,260 enraptured, pithed Trumpers, enough to issue a travel advisory for all parts of the state save for the fragile sanctuaries of Iowa City and Ames.  

    Add the 23,420 votes gained by the fascist DeSantis despite being  a talentless national politician and at the expense of Floridians who will long suffer from his ignorant and cruel laws and policies enacted in his futile quest to out Trump Trump.

    Then there is the poor, deluded Haley falling off her surge built of paper money from late-to-the-party high rollers. Off to new Hampshire riding on her third place votes of 21, 085. We can just feel the Haleymentum !!!  Then on to South Carolina, after which she will have more time to spend with her family and to study the Civil War.  Although Trump may no longer call her a "bird brain" and pick her as a running mate thereby giving short shift to slavery.

    Almost forgot the odious, and very forgettable Ramaswamy. Some 8,449 Iowa nut jobs voted for him for some reason.  These were very expensive votes, probably cost Vivek at least $1,000,000 each.

    The most interesting number of the night (none / 0) (#181)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 01:28:31 PM EST
    IMO was 32% (of republicans) who say they won't vote for him if he is convicted.

    I think that is a conservative number.  That is the ones who are willing to entertain the thought NOW.  That number will increase as the meaning of  "being convicted" sinks in.


    In addition to what Howdy and Dan said (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by Peter G on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 03:39:29 PM EST
    Note that the turnout of Republicans to caucus yesterday was only 1/2 what it was in 2020. Yes, a fair amount of that must be the weather. But if any substantial part indicates despair or antipathy among registered Rs at the available R candidates, that is another good sign for Biden.

    I even like that (none / 0) (#188)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 04:22:13 PM EST
    the big name evangelical kingmaker of days gone by was totally ignored.  Haley got as much support as his candidate.

    The preachers, like all before them, are learning are disposable.  


    That was (none / 0) (#192)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 17, 2024 at 05:49:44 AM EST
    about the only good thing I saw out of this entire exercise. Maybe evangelicals will finally following the commands of Jesus to clothe the poor, feed the hungry etc. Nah, I know they won't but to see their political influence wane is good news for the country and Christianity in general.

    If Iowa (none / 0) (#182)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 03:03:01 PM EST
    is an indicator, we may not have to wait for convictions.  The caucus results seemed pretty feeble, just like the candidate.  

    Almost half of these voters wanted someone else---when competitors  the likes of DeSantis, Haley and Ramaswamy can bring Iowa voters out on a frigid night to vote against a former Republican president and Messiah, it reveals vulnerability.


    Trump will spin it as a YOUG win (none / 0) (#186)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 04:11:33 PM EST
    98 of 99 counties isn't nothing.  But it's increasing dominance of a decreasing group.

    I don't comprehend why so (none / 0) (#184)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 04:01:27 PM EST
    much attention is put to this endeavor.

    56,260 is barely one fifth the population of the county I live in. And it is not an urban county. York City has a population somewhere around 40,000. How are these numbers of any import? A bunch of Iowa hicks are enamored with a traitorous sociopathic SOB. So what?


    It is a ridiculous way to pick a president (none / 0) (#185)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 04:08:10 PM EST
    Once upon a time it might have made sense to have non costal people get a first look at candidates.

    Back when Iowa was normal. Back when politics was normal.

    Now it just seems like a pointless circus.  Except it's making Trump the official candidate.  So, it's news.


    The problem (none / 0) (#191)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 17, 2024 at 05:45:34 AM EST
    with caucuses is even starting to dawn on the GOP because they saw people throw "ballots" in a paper bag. I have been advocating getting rid of them for a long time. They reward activists and deny a lot of people their say in the process.

    Haley and DeSantis might have done better if there was a primary with early voting. Can you imagine how many more people might have participated if they allowed early voting with a known winter storm coming? But ironies of ironies it seems their whole jihad against early voting, mail voting etc. may do the most damage to themselves and the GOP in general.


    Goodbye to P.D.Q. Bach... (5.00 / 3) (#195)
    by desertswine on Wed Jan 17, 2024 at 09:32:55 PM EST
    Peter Schickele was 88.

    He wrote more than 100 symphonic, choral, solo instrumental and chamber works. But he was better known, and celebrated, as a musical parodist. Who can forget "The Concerto for Horn and Hardart?"

    Konzertschtick - Fun with the classics

    Concerto for Piano (5.00 / 4) (#196)
    by leap2 on Thu Jan 18, 2024 at 10:57:36 AM EST
    vs Orchestra.

    Pervertimento for Bicycle, Bagpipes, and Balloons

    Echo Sonata for Two Unfriendly Groups of Instruments

    Schleptet in E-flat Major

    And who could forget his Sonata for Viola Four Hands?

    and so on....

    I was fortunate to see him perform live three times. Schickele was a genius. And so damned funny! At least we'll still have his oeuvre.


    This is why we will win (5.00 / 2) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 18, 2024 at 11:26:11 AM EST

    Quote of the Day
    January 18, 2024 at 12:03 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 46 Comments

    "For every Karen we lose, there's a Julio and a Jamaal ready to sign up for the MAGA movement."

    -- Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), on Newsmax, seemingly arguing Republicans don't need women voters

    LOL (none / 0) (#198)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 18, 2024 at 01:49:01 PM EST
    Karens are Trump's voting base.

    This was great (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 18, 2024 at 04:26:21 PM EST
    Great finale

    `Fargo' Season Five Finale: Don't Go the MAGA Way

    It was a very political season. So the anti-MAGA ending was perfect.

    We will (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 01, 2024 at 04:46:51 PM EST
    witness history.

    Shots were fired this morning ... (none / 0) (#9)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 10:15:36 AM EST
    ... inside Denver's Ralph L. Carr Colorado Judicial Center, the home of the Colorado Supreme Court and the Colorado Court of Appeals. A suspect - likely another MAGA-addled nutball - has been taken into custody by the authorities.

    I am deeply saddened to report (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Peter G on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 11:46:02 AM EST
    that I am not surprised.

    It's going to be that kind of year (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 12:09:55 PM EST

    Maine Official Who Disqualified Trump Swatted
    January 2, 2024 at 12:54 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 17 Comments

    "A fake emergency call to police resulted in officers responding Friday night to the home of Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows just a day after she removed former President Donald Trump from the state's presidential primary ballot under the Constitution's insurrection clause," the AP reports.

    "She becomes the latest elected politician to become a target of swatting, which involves making a phone call to emergency services with the intent that a large first responder presence, including SWAT teams, will show up at a residence

    Happened (none / 0) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 12:57:57 PM EST
    to George Soros, Saturday evening at his Southampton manse. Caller said he just shot his wife.

    This has suddenly become a big thing (none / 0) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 04:10:30 PM EST
    It will be interesting to see how they deal with it.  Seems like they will have to deal with it.

    Apart from everything else (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 04:43:36 PM EST
    This must be really costly for these guys being sent out for nothing over and over

    Responding to a Rash of Swatting Attacks


    It definitely (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 02, 2024 at 01:41:18 PM EST
    seems so. MAGA will lie and terrorize to get their way.

    Epstein list released (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 03, 2024 at 06:10:45 PM EST

    The names of up to 150 people tied to Jeffrey Epstein were released as part of a massive document dump involving the late sex trafficker.

    The documents are now being reviewed by the news media.

    I think what's gotten lost here ... (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jan 08, 2024 at 03:20:55 PM EST
    ... in the whole "Jeffrey Epstein / sexual predator" scandal is the fact that prior to finally being brought down for his truly horrific personal sexual behavior with young girls, Epstein was best known as a high-living financier and a shameless influence peddler who fancied himself a player in D.C., New York and L.A. power circles.

    Odds are better than even that most people on Epstein's list aren't there for their sexual indiscretions but rather, because Epstein was currying financial favor with the people who could do favors for his many companies and his bottom line. For example, he lent Bill Clinton his private jet to support the Clinton Foundation's philanthropic work in Africa and elsewhere.

    Epstein had parked most of his financial assets offshore, and I believe the authorities are still trying to track some of them down.



    "most people on Epstein's list (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 08, 2024 at 04:50:40 PM EST
    aren't there for their sexual indiscretions"

    Maybe not.  Probably not, even.

    But they knew the stories about him.


    Or they (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 08, 2024 at 05:58:14 PM EST
    heard the rumors. What I can't believe is the people that hung out with him after he was convicted.

    That's an assumption ... (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 03:37:16 PM EST
    ... I simply won't make for anybody. Honestly, I myself didn't put much credence into those rumors / stories about Jeffrey Epstein until nearly the end, when the evidence of abuse quickly piled up and really couldn't be ignored.

    It was kind of the same way for me with the stories floating around the ether about Bill Cosby and Kevin Spacey, with the difference being I actually liked Cosby and Spacey and really didn't give a phuque about Epstein, who I knew more as a wealthy financier and just another rich guy who likes attention and / or loves to bask in the reflected glory of other people's celebrity. (That's not unlike how I once viewed Donald Trump, and it's how I currently see Elon Musk - which maybe doesn't bode well for Musk.)

    Whenever I heard a mention or two about other women or men here and there, my first reaction is, "Well, hey, people do love to gossip." But when the stories were no longer about philandering anymore but rather, were specific allegations about sexual assault - which, in the cases of Epstein and Spacey, also involved minors - and then the number of accusers hit double digits, then the amount of smoke billowing skyward indicated these guys were virtual dumpster fires.

    Maybe I'm just being a naive Pollyanna when it comes to others' sexual behavior. Or perhaps I just don't want to immediately believe the very worst about people absent further information, even though - to paraphrase Noah Cross in "Chinatown" - I'm fully aware of what human beings are capable of doing to one another given the right time and circumstance. Either way, that's who I am and going on age 63, I'm likely not going to change from that.



    Or they (none / 0) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 08, 2024 at 05:58:14 PM EST
    heard the rumors. What I can't believe is the people that hung out with him after he was convicted.

    Epstein (none / 0) (#29)
    by leap2 on Wed Jan 03, 2024 at 08:15:33 PM EST
    I think I will wait for someone (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 03, 2024 at 10:00:44 PM EST
    to tell me what is interesting and/or important in the documents. Not engaged enough to review them myself.

    If there was anything big (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 04, 2024 at 07:54:39 AM EST
    we would probably know by now

    So far (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 04, 2024 at 05:31:42 AM EST
    there's really nothing new except for Steven Hawking and the fact that the Trumpers can no longer deny that Donald flew on the plane with Epstein.

    And so God made Trump (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 05, 2024 at 03:55:28 PM EST
    Its going to be a long year

    Trump Shares Messianic Video About God Sending Him To Save World

    And on June 14th, 1946, God looked down on his plan Paradise, and said, I need a caretaker. So God gave us Trump.

    God said, I need somebody willing to get up before dawn. Fix this country. Work all day. Fight the Marxists. Eat supper. Then go to the Oval Office and stay past midnight. And a meeting of the heads of state. So God made Trump.

    God made Trump ... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jan 08, 2024 at 03:25:37 PM EST
    ... because He must've run out of locusts.

    Kinda (none / 0) (#42)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Jan 05, 2024 at 04:55:11 PM EST
    makes me want to barf.

    Laughter or nausea (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 05, 2024 at 04:58:26 PM EST
    or both.

    But the frightening thing is 15-29ish percent of our country who believe this.  Who actually F'ing believe this.

    What is the correct response to that?


    In one way I welcome it (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 05, 2024 at 05:04:02 PM EST
    It's so F'ing nuts it will be useful in the campaign.  
    Also I predict it's going to get a lot worse.   Trump is literally running for his freedom.  It's going to get weird.

    We have not even gotten to the first commercial break of our National Trump Twilight Zone episode.  There's a lot more to come.  


    I love how (none / 0) (#45)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 05, 2024 at 06:15:00 PM EST
    only the things they want to happen God is in control of.

    All the other things that happen God had nothing to do with.


    What's not to (none / 0) (#55)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 07, 2024 at 09:21:53 AM EST
    like about the Republican Party?  Answer: everything.
    Trump is the messiah and Speaker Johnson claims God came to. him  and made him the new Moses.

    Ironic that those who self proclaim (none / 0) (#172)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 05:50:34 PM EST
    to be ultra religious and God fearing are so willing to bow down to false gods. IIRC, I was taught that God forbade them to do that.

    Quote of f the day (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 06, 2024 at 06:01:14 PM EST
    January 6, 2024 at 6:43 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 28 Comments

    "You could've negotiated that... this is something that could've been negotiated... that was a tough one for our country... if you negotiated it, you probably wouldn't even know who Abraham Lincoln was... that would've been okay."

    -- Donald Trump, saying in a campaign appearance that the Civil War didn't need to happen.

    Ow! The stupid! It burns! (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jan 08, 2024 at 03:34:23 PM EST
    Donald Trump is just embarrassing to watch. This history lesson ranks right up there with recommendation that people ingest household disinfectants like Lysol as a possible cure for COVID.

    God said (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 08, 2024 at 04:52:07 PM EST
    I need somebody willing to get up before dawn. Fix this country. Work all day. Fight the Marxists. Eat supper. Then go to the Oval Office and stay past midnight. And a meeting of the heads of state

    But in this job market Trump will have to do.

    ... He said, "Well, hell, that's what I get for not making enough locusts."

    Oops (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 08, 2024 at 04:53:41 PM EST
    This is a reply to Donalds comment #59

    Hunter (none / 0) (#66)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 09:21:31 AM EST
    Biden shows up at the contempt hearing, a bit of fireworks already. Nancy Mace; "Lock him up right now!"

    Watching the tv bobbleheads (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 11:40:24 AM EST
    deal with this it appears brilliant.  They were surprised.  They love that.

    If I ever need a lawyer I would like it to be Abbe Lowell.


    Abbe is terrific (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 07:15:07 PM EST
    one of my heroes!

    And, Hunter (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 12:05:56 PM EST
    walked out during Marjorie Taylor Green's babblings.

    If I were the GOP (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 02:30:47 PM EST
    I would ream Comer Pyle from here to eternity. What a clown that is. Do his constituents like the clown show? Remains to be seen but probably so.

    Texas Rep. Jasmine Crockett ... (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by desertswine on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 05:55:35 PM EST
    Let me tell you why nobody wants to talk to y'all behind closed doors," Crockett said. "Because y'all lie.

    That was (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 10:13:15 AM EST

    Political (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 02:09:21 PM EST
    theater at it's best.

    Democrats need to do more of it, a stupid way to run a country but you got to give the people what they want.


    All that (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 02:29:58 PM EST
    and some legal people say if they do attempt to hold Hunter in contempt, it would be hard to get a conviction or even an indictment since he showed up to testify and the committee refused. I'm sure his attorneys knew what they were doing.

    Ronnie Long awarded $25 million (none / 0) (#67)
    by McBain on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 09:27:38 AM EST
    for wrongful conviction...
    A North Carolina man who served more than 44 years in prison after being wrongfully convicted in 1976 has reached a historic $25 million combined settlement in a civil lawsuit, his attorneys said Tuesday.

    Ronnie Long, 68, settled a civil lawsuit against the city of Concord, North Carolina, about 25 miles northeast of Charlotte, and the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation, according to Duke Law School's Wrongful Convictions Clinic. Long's total settlement includes $22 million from the city and a previous $3 million settlement with the State Bureau of Investigation.

    The clinic, which represents Long, said the settlement is the second-largest wrongful conviction settlement ever recorded. The settlement puts an end to the wrongful incarceration lawsuit that was filed by Long's attorneys in 2021 and also included a public apology from the city of Concord.

    Good for him!  But it makes me scratch my head comparing this award to the little or nothing others receive.

    Despite no physical evidence connecting Long to the rape and burglary, he was accused of, his attorneys said the prosecution used the victim's identification of Long as their main piece of evidence.

    But the prosecution's evidence "was the product of a suggestive identification procedure arranged by the police to target Long, who did not match her original description of the assailant as a 'yellow or really light-skinned Black male,'" the clinic said.

    Chris Christie is out (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 04:46:11 PM EST
    might make the debate to ight more interesting.

    He said in his (none / 0) (#75)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 05:22:10 PM EST
    speech, that anyone who refuses to say that Orange  Marmalade is unfit to be president, is unfit to be president. That pretty much counts out the rest of the field. Is Christie voting for Joe? Cause Joe will tell you that the orange SOB is unfit for any office.

    Good question (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 05:36:46 PM EST
    It was a good speech.  And he's not wrong on the hot mic.  She is not up to it.

    Some wondering if he (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 05:38:05 PM EST
    gets involved with no labels.
    I doubt it.

    Well (none / 0) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 11, 2024 at 05:04:07 AM EST
    if he truly thinks Trump is unfit I have to say helping Trump with No Labels would be a no go from the start.

    From PWire (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 11, 2024 at 03:50:08 PM EST

    For those who want to Google and consider, this is called a supersedeas bond and derives from the common law. I won't pretend to know the nuances in New York.

    I had been thinking it would be years of appeals before he felt any real pain.

    This makes me happy.


    This (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 11, 2024 at 06:50:58 PM EST
    would also explain why he's so freaked out about this case. I thought it was always about "his brand" and his appearance of wealth. He's actually going to have to come up with the money. Most attorneys are saying that he will have to sell properties to come up with the cash.

    Come to think of it did he appeal the charity fraud case? I think he just paid it. Not the same amount of money but still. He had to put up 5.5 million to appeal the E. Jean verdict.


    Damn did it again (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 11, 2024 at 03:51:23 PM EST
    This is a reply to your comment below #82

    It (none / 0) (#79)
    by FlJoe on Wed Jan 10, 2024 at 06:35:04 PM EST
    might marginally reduce the chance of fistfights breaking out in Iowa next Monday night

    This is new (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 11, 2024 at 03:18:41 PM EST
    Andrew Weissman just said on MSNBC that if Trump is hit with 370 million fine he might have to put up some people that money, which could involve forced sale of assets, BEFORE he can appeal.

    I had not heard that before.

    Right. I'm no NY lawyer but (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by Peter G on Thu Jan 11, 2024 at 04:07:30 PM EST
    what you say would be typical for a civil case. He is not looking at a "fine" in the criminal sense. The NY case that is currently wrapping up is a case for civil damages and penalties. When you lose a civil trial and are ordered to pay money, you generally cannot appeal unless you post security for the amount of the judgment, or make some other type of equivalent arrangement that satisfies the court.

    How soon after a ruling (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 11, 2024 at 05:21:07 PM EST
    might this start happening?  Is it up to Trump and how soon he wants to appeal?

    I repeat, I have assumed this would only happen after years of appeals.

    This seems like an excuse for some schadenfreude


    Well, first the judge must render a judgment (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Peter G on Thu Jan 11, 2024 at 06:47:22 PM EST
    in the case. From that date, the losing party has 30 days to initiate an appeal, as I understand it. The judgment probably does not become final and enforceable until the 30 days runs. Although there may be some other rule in NY I am not aware of making it effective sooner (absent a stay and/or the posting of a bond).

    They have been discussing (none / 0) (#88)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jan 11, 2024 at 05:22:54 PM EST
    how cash strapped he is and how he could only secure the amount with property.

    And if I were (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 11, 2024 at 06:48:51 PM EST
    the judge I would make him sell the property since the entire case is about him falsely valuing property.

    C'mon. You guys have to know (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jan 11, 2024 at 09:58:51 PM EST
    That he will just fleece the rubes for the money. He will pay as little as possible out of pocket. It will come from PAC money. And the rubes (especially those moron bible thumpers) will fall over themselves signing over their Social Security checks. They'll short the collection plate on Sunday to give to Orange Marmalade.

    Hopefully he'll break another dozen laws using the wrong money to pay this judgment.

    I don't give money to PACs. My own company is constantly sending out PAC appeals. I refuse to give them a penny. They say it's for the good of the company. I say NOT contributing is good for the country and my soul.

    On another front, I hope he wins his immunity claim. The next day, Joe can disappear him to Gitmo where he can be waterboarded daily. Joe will have immunity. Just ask orangies lawyers.


    Also (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 08:28:49 AM EST
    I think the more important part of the fraud case is being banned from running a business in NY.

    No amount of cult love will change that.


    370 million (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 08:27:03 AM EST
    which is only one of several cases coming at Trump is a lot of SS checks.

    And apparently it has to come quickly.  

    I understand cynicism but we are entering a whole new world.


    As I noted before in these threads, ... (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 04:02:45 PM EST
    ... the worst business decision Donald Trump ever made in his life was that day back in 2015 when he allowed his own ego to override his personal judgment, rode that Trump Tower escalator down to an awaiting press corps in the lobby, and announced that he was a candidate for president.

    His surprise victory the following year brought down upon him and his family a whole new (and much more intense) level of public and legal scrutiny he had never before experienced and frankly, had probably never even anticipated. He's unlikely to survive this self-inflicted ordeal in one piece.

    It couldn't happen to a nicer guy.


    I agree (none / 0) (#95)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 08:44:47 AM EST
    He can grift for 5.5 million like he did for E. Jean but that amount I imagine will elude even the master grifter. I don't think he has a ton of money in his PAC either because he has been using that money to pay his attorneys.

    There's been a lot of talk (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 08:48:52 AM EST
    about how cash strapped he is.

    Also (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 08:58:31 AM EST
    I think the second E Jean case coming up could nail him for a lot more than 5.5.

    The argument is going to be, you need to fine him enough to STOP him from doing this.


    Chump (none / 0) (#98)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 10:36:42 AM EST
    change, he will be looking to Putin or bone-saw for a bail out.

    he has got to be looking at Jared's 2 billion bribe with some envy.

    He probably has a few top secrets stashed he can sell to the highest bidder if things get dire.


    I suppose I can see Putin trying (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 12:09:25 PM EST
    just to piss us off.  I think Biden would love the optics of that.

    Beyond that why would any foreign leader invest in Trump?

    He is doomed.  Why would MBS give a damn?


    Remembe3r (none / 0) (#100)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 01:38:48 PM EST
    MBS had a journalist killed. So if Trump stole the intel and threatens to give it up...

    Yes (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 03:15:30 PM EST
    If threats are being offered I would be a lot more worried about MBS than Donald.  

    The Saudies are currently depending on Biden to save their oil fields from the Houthis and their bombs.

    They ain't gonna do squat for Trump.


    Why (none / 0) (#101)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 01:56:37 PM EST
    would MBS give a 2 billion damn about Kushner? Maybe a couple of more payments are due, or maybe knows something that the Saudis want, or more likely wish to keep secret, although I can't believe MBS or any other leader would give this idiot leverage but they could never be sure what exactly he does and does not know.

    At (none / 0) (#102)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 02:10:52 PM EST
    the very least it will cause some family friction if Jarvanka ride off into the sunset with bags of money while Trump is forced to beg for pennies from the rubes.

    That 2 billion (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 03:11:26 PM EST
    went into some investment fund.  I would be very surprised if there is any of that left hanging around.

    I don't feel like looking for a link but yesterday that NYT investigative journo, Suzanne something, has reported recently in all the hundreds of millions Trump has spent in the last few years.  On construction and improvements on several properties.

    She says he has no cash.  I would be surprised if Jared has much either.  But I would also bet if he did Trump would not get it.  Javanka have been separating themselves from the others.  She is not named the way the boys are in the NY fraud trial.  They will cut him loose in a NY minute.  IMO.


    Also (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 03:20:48 PM EST
    when Jared got that money Trump was president.  He is never going to be president again in spite of anything you may have heard,

    He (none / 0) (#115)
    by FlJoe on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 04:32:08 PM EST
    certainly earned during Trumps term, but he didn't get paid until later.

    He got bailed out on the 666 bldg as a down payment.


    Mary Trump (none / 0) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 04:22:24 PM EST
    says all the relationships in that family are transactional. So Donald really can't do anything for Jared et. al. anymore so there's no way they are going to help him out. Donald would leave them high and dry if it was reversed.

    interest will also run from the (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 07:18:16 PM EST
    date of judgment, so the longer the appeal takes, if the judge awards $370 million, the interest could be really  huge.

    Interesting. (none / 0) (#82)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 11, 2024 at 03:31:28 PM EST
    He's been pulling crap for a good 50 years and it's finally catching up with him. Think of all the people he ripped off who are now finally getting some payback.

    So MAGA Mike (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 11, 2024 at 03:34:32 PM EST
    can't seem to control the GOP either. None of this is a surprise. His lack of experience actually makes things worse for the GOP because he has no clue how to get Jeffries to help. Even if he did he would get overthrown because he worked with Jeffries.

    Has anybody seen a party this incompetent? I certainly don't remember this type of thing happening ever but maybe historians can tell me. Sounds like the mid 1800's were this bad in congress.

    Why so serious? (none / 0) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 03:40:26 PM EST
    I know the news can give us the sads.

    But, thing are about to start changing.  Trump is about to be held accountable.  True, it's a civil case but it's bigly.  And it's about a lot more than money.

    And I will predict to you that it's going to be downhill from there.

    Trump will never be president.  He won't.  
    I have started doubting he will even be the nominee.  Altho I admit I have no idea what might happen instead.  

    American voters are idiots.  Trump has been off Twitter and Facebook.  Most people have not been listening to him.  They are about to get a superduper family sized helping of Trump and his ideas for America.

    Things are about to start changing.
    You heard it here first.

    One thing that could happen (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 03:44:18 PM EST
    Trump could drop dead.  Or have a stroke.  Or withdraw for unspecified health reasons.

    He looks bad.  Really bad.  Have you seen a closeup lately? The foundation is not doing it anymore.

     I have long thought when the walls really closed in Trump would play the sick old man card.


    Feeble (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 03:57:00 PM EST
    Or, like I've long suspected, ... (none / 0) (#112)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 04:19:26 PM EST
    ... Trump could hop on his private jet and flee the country, since the courts have never bothered to order him to surrender his passport. But that's starting to appear increasingly unlikely, because I really can no longer see any other country - save perhaps North Korea - that would be willing to offer him sanctuary as a criminal fugitive who's choosing to self-exile from the U.S.

    I used to think he'd run away to Saudi Arabia or the U.A.E., but not anymore because as you noted in part above, both the House of Saud and the emirs are increasingly dependent upon the U.S. for protection against the bad and / or crazy actors in their neighborhood. They won't want to piss us off.



    I would support sending him (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 04:26:04 PM EST
    to North Korea.  Just on the off chance they would grow bored and eat him.

    He won't (none / 0) (#117)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 04:34:43 PM EST
    withdraw because that will end the grift. All the others can happen but he's too addicted the grift and with his current reported lack of cash that's the last thing he wants to give up.

    please let's not wish him (none / 0) (#128)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 07:20:15 PM EST
    dead or having a stroke. No physical harm wishes here, they can get investigated.

    Sorry (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 07:22:42 PM EST
    I didn't mean to wish him dead.  Only that he's 77 and lives on fried food :-(

    I go back and forth (none / 0) (#116)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 04:32:46 PM EST
    on him being the nominee. It sure looks like it right now. Iowa is Monday so we'll see where he lands there. So far the most prominent evangelical dumping on Trump doesn't seem to have had an effect not that I ever thought it would.

    The GOP base thinks Christie dropping out means nothing as they are sure it was Democrats who were going to vote for him. I think some of those votes might go to Nikki or maybe DeSantis. DeSantis apparently is in a panic. So the polling must at least be close to right.

    I see Trump convicted in the insurrection case and then out on bail. If all that happens before the convention I can definitely see a fight on the convention floor and the party nominating someone else. Either way it's not good for the GOP.


    All polling of Trump (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 04:44:27 PM EST
    looks/seems suspect to me.  

    I don't buy he 50 points ahead in the primary and I don't buy he ahead of Biden.  

    But polls depend on who is being polled.  I agree with Molly Jong Fast, we do not live in the golden age of polling.


    I get it. (none / 0) (#121)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 06:19:09 PM EST
    Simon Rosenberg who was the only one to say there wasn't gonna be a red wave in '22 said the GOP floods the polling with garbage polls to create a false narrative. Some of the bad polling for Biden is probably legit though. However something like 75% of voters don't think Trump is going to be the nominee and aren't sure about Biden being the nominee either. Ridiculous as that sounds to us there are people who just don't pay attention. Of course these are also the people that don't vote in primaries and then whine about their choices.

    I'm sorry but (none / 0) (#125)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 06:44:58 PM EST
    who are they polling.  I ask this all the time.  Most people say they have never talked to a pollster.  Oddly those who have often have done it more than once.

    But who talks to a pollster?  
    Who will answer an unknown number and talk to a stranger for several minutes?
    And more importantly, is that person a typical voter?

    Also, people are idiots. They remember the last thing they heard.  The last thing they heard was Biden is old.  They are about to her other stuff.


    Rasmussen (none / 0) (#133)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 10:04:01 PM EST
    Calls me regularly. I like to screw with their questions. It is computer generated so no person to talk to. The last time they polled me on immigration and I guess they dud not like my answers because they hung up. Lol

    I would doubt any trial (none / 0) (#130)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 07:25:38 PM EST
    will start by the convention, or even in 2023. Which is what he is counting on.
    As for Iowa, Don Jr. is there as his surrogate and drawing some crowds. His spiel is to blame Biden for everything -- funding the Ukraine, Hunter, the criminal cases brought by DOJ, etc. I won't be surprised if Trump does win in Iowa. Trump is becoming the anti-hero.

    That said, I agree he'll never become President -- but that's because I don't think he'll be the Republican candidate on election day. Something will force him out before then -- I just don't think it will be a criminal case.


    I meant 2024 (none / 0) (#131)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 07:26:17 PM EST
    that the cases won't go to trial.

    It seems impossible (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 07:28:46 PM EST
    he could be.  But trying to imagine how makes my head hurt.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#147)
    by FlJoe on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 03:02:40 PM EST
    a Trump nomination seem both impossible yet inevitable, there is something surreal about this race with the also rans pummel each other while secretly hoping TFG gets thrown in jail, or better yet just kicks the bucket.

    Biggest (none / 0) (#151)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 04:01:30 PM EST
    case of cowardly wishcasting I have ever seen.

    Also Selzer poll says

    DeSantis supporters seem to think that he might come in 2nd due to the fact that Nikki has the least excited supporters.

    Larry Hogan endorsed Haley. So at least this time there may be a serious effort by the GOP to stop Trump as futile as that may end up being. These idiots should have taken the loss in 2016 but they were too power mad. Now they are going to pay the price.


    Swinging (none / 0) (#176)
    by FlJoe on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 08:18:09 AM EST
    back to inevitable today.

    The polls verified pretty well RCP avg was a tick high but within MoE


    The only (none / 0) (#177)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 09:34:08 AM EST
    positive I see out of this is those who are in denial about Trump being the nominee being shook into reality. My GOP rep said "Trump isn't going to be the nominee".

    David Frum was on a podcast ... (none / 0) (#119)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 05:11:21 PM EST
    ... recently speaking with Harry Littman, and he's predicting that Biden's victory in November will be a blowout, regardless of the GOP's ultimate nominee. Personally, I hope it's like Georgia's 63-3 demolition of Florida State in this season's Orange Bowl, because I'd be ever so glad.

    At this point the GOP is so far gone around the bend into the far-right nether lands, it's really hard to see them pivot and recover in time with mainstream voters, particularly if the economy is humming along smoothly. In that regard, Nobel laureate Paul Krugman said this week that the leading U.S. economic indicators right now haven't been this robust in their outlook since the late 1950s and early '60s.

    Throw in a baseless and unnecessary impeachment or two of Biden cabinet officials for imaginary offenses, add in a few more cases where women are persecuted by crackpot GOP officials like Texas AG Ken Paxton for simply seeking reproductive health care, and Frum's prediction of a voter backlash against right-wing extremism could come true.



    Every democrat should (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 05:39:35 PM EST
    and I think most will run against the republican party.  They have been given a gift.

    The scary part is even with democracy on the ballot as clearly as it is, I would not be confident if not for reproductive rights.

    There is a perfect storm coming for republicans.  That they totally invited.  

    Trump as a nominee will be a disaster.  Everyone knows this.  They also know if Trump is not the nominee he will undermine and seek to destroy the nominee.

    I'm glad there is hand wringing. I'm not that worried.


    Truly. (none / 0) (#123)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 06:23:30 PM EST
    I have been saying for years the Dems should run against conservatism in general and the horrible policies that conservativism brings to the country. I guess running against the GOP is essentially the same thing.

    Did you hear about Trump's threats to leave the GOP after 1/6? Ronna begged him to not leave and said she would pay his legal bills. I mean they totally are asking for this. They had so many chances to get rid of Trump and yet they didn't. They decided that they would rather have the crazy than not.


    Historically it doesn't work (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 06:38:11 PM EST
    but they, mostly Trump but all of them by silence if nothing else, have made it so easy.

    They have made it necessary.  


    I saw David Frum (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 12, 2024 at 06:20:54 PM EST
    on a podcast and what I found interesting about what he said is that the GOP knows they can't get past 46% or so of the popular vote so they elevate third party candidates in an attempt to split the vote. Kind of an admission I thought since he worked on W's campaign.

    Happy wintertime, everybody! (none / 0) (#134)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Jan 13, 2024 at 03:35:50 AM EST
    It's a chilly and rainy 57 degrees outside in Hilo, HI tonight and it's snowing up on our mountains. The forecast predicts a drop to 52 or 51 in the early morning hours. It'll be in the high 60s tomorrow during the day, but the rain will be clearing out ad it should be back in the 70s again by midweek.

    I know most of you probably want to just smack me right now for rubbing it in your faces, but this is unseasonably cold for us even at this time of year, and our house doesn't have central heating. The wet weather just makes it feel colder. We broke out the winter clothes and blankets last night. The dog is cuddled up between my wife and me on the couch, and our three cats are sleeping together in their basket on a nearby chair.

    Stay warm and safe, everybody.

    Smack! (none / 0) (#135)
    by leap2 on Sat Jan 13, 2024 at 09:43:44 AM EST
    -6°, and 9.5" snow.

    Where are you? (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Jan 13, 2024 at 10:15:05 AM EST
    Sorry if I should know.  I'm also in the arctic plunge.  Below zero wind hills at night for the next few days.  Plus snow and ice,

    I am totally stocked.  I could go for a month without leaving the house.


    I'm in (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by leap2 on Sat Jan 13, 2024 at 10:58:56 AM EST
    central Warshington. It just went up to -3°, well on its way to the forecast high of +4°. Whoooop! Of course, a couple days ago the forecast was for "less than an inch of snow accumulation." The next morning, I measured 9.5" in my yard.

    But hey, this too shall pass. The trend is toward warmth. Spring. Summer.


    This is (none / 0) (#138)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 13, 2024 at 11:53:01 AM EST
    apparently missing GA as we have had lots of rain and cooler temps but really nothing this bad.

    This Seems Quite Concerning to me (none / 0) (#143)
    by RickyJim on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 02:15:38 PM EST
    Much more serious than anything else that I have heard from Trumpworld.
    Willis hired attorney Wade to work as a special prosecutor while they had a romantic relationship, according to the filing. Wade, a private attorney, has been paid $653,881, and they've traveled to Napa Valley in California, Florida and the Caribbean, according to the filing. Wade is undergoing a divorce in Cobb County, Georgia, where the records are sealed.
    Defense attorney Noah Pines said the optics of the case are bad for other prosecutors.

    "What is strange to a lot of people in the legal community is bringing in a special prosecutor and the amount of money he's being paid far surpasses what other prosecutors in the office are being paid," Pines said. "Maybe if he was the Tom Brady of RICO prosecutions it would be understandable, but he's not."

    This has had rat-fvck (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 02:42:07 PM EST
    Written all over it from the start.

    IMO (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 02:42:33 PM EST
    I wouldn't worry (none / 0) (#144)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 02:40:00 PM EST

    Fani Willis Defends Her Special Prosecutor
    January 14, 2024 at 2:49 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 27 Comments

    Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis on Sunday defended the special prosecutor assisting in the Donald Trump election case amid bombshell allegations the two are having an "improper" relationship, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports.

    Without ever addressing him by name, Willis referred to Nathan Wade as "a great friend and a great lawyer" and said he is paid the same hourly rate as the other two special prosecutors hired to assist with the case.

    She did not deny that the two are romantically involved.

    And why would she deny (none / 0) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 05:12:55 PM EST
    they might be intimate?  Why is that even a problem?

    Because this is xtian Amurrrka. (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by leap2 on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 09:51:52 AM EST
    And politics.

    Anthony Michael Kreis, (none / 0) (#148)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 03:43:51 PM EST
    a law professor at Georgia State University, reported in a interview on MSNBC, that Mr. Wade is working at an hourly rate of $225.--a rate that is well within the range for attorneys in the Atlanta Metro area.  The Rico case with its multiple defendants is a long term effort resulting a number of billable hours.

    In retrospect there may have been economies to be achieved if Mr.Wsde was hired on a contractual basis, but then again, when the.legal process began the complexities of the caee and the number of defendants may not have been readily apparent.

    Based on what is evident, to date, the entire Willis team is "Tom Brady" caliber.  Seems to be an opportunity for Republican Monday morning quarterbacking.

    It is curious  that a possible romantic relationship is causing pearl clutching by supporters of Trump given their overlooking of such matters as the E.Jean Carroll and Stormy Daniel's cases.


    The accusation (none / 0) (#150)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 03:58:16 PM EST
    was done by Mike Roman one of the defendants and Kreis knows his stuff. So if he's saying it there's probably nothing to it.

    The Atlanta Journal (none / 0) (#153)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 04:33:41 PM EST
    Constitution is reporting that Wade received $250 per hour. He has been involved in the case since 2021.

    The Most Serious Accusation (none / 0) (#152)
    by RickyJim on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 04:32:46 PM EST
    is that Wade does not have the relevant experience for the job.
    But other lawyers questioned the judgment of Willis in hiring Wade, who had little experience in complex investigations. In recent years, his legal work has included serving as a part-time municipal judge and handling non-felony criminal cases as well as divorce and child custody cases, court records show.

    "There's a lot of shock in the legal community about what we've seen in the motion," said defense attorney Megan Grout. "He's not the first person who would come to mind to handle a complex RICO case against the former president of the United States."

    I haven't seen a refutation of that.  Would it hurt the RICO case if some other prosecutor took over?

    Probably (none / 0) (#154)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 04:46:40 PM EST
    there is no one with the experience for this case since no other US president has been charged with hatching a plot to overthrow the government.

     Hiring of staff assistance is at the discretion of the Fulton County District Attorney.  Such decisions are likely to
     have taken into account several factors that would be of value to the prosecution of the various interrelated aspects of the cases.


    I cannot agree there is "nothing to it" (none / 0) (#155)
    by Peter G on Sun Jan 14, 2024 at 04:47:26 PM EST
    The issue is not that Willis appears to be having an affair while married (and going through a divorce). Nor is the issue that her boyfriend is necessarily being overpaid, compared to other private counsel hired by the County for special litigation. The issue is the conflict of interest in deciding to hire him rather than someone else, and/or in negotiating the terms of his contract, and possibly a violation of what I assume are the County's outside contractor bidding rules, if those rules apply to this kind of hire.  Honestly, the conflict appears to me to be a real ethical issue. But it doesn't look like it would provide grounds to dismiss the indictment, as I don't see how the ethical violation, if it is one, affects any defendant's rights or otherwise undermines the fairness of the prosecution against them.

    WAA WAA WAAAA (none / 0) (#173)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 07:43:58 PM EST

    Trump Wins Iowa Caucuses
    January 15, 2024 at 8:36 pm EST By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment

    "Donald Trump won the Iowa caucuses Monday, a crucial victory at the outset of the Republican primary that reinforces the former president's bond with his party's voters even as he faces extraordinary legal challenges that could complicate his bid to return to the White House," the AP reports.

    "The magnitude of Trump's success is still coming into focus, but the former president's supporters endured a historic and life-threatening cold snap to participate in caucus meetings that unfolded in schools, churches and community centers across the state."

    And the majority (none / 0) (#174)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 08:17:06 PM EST
    said they are fine if he is a convicted criminal. The good news is 1/3 of the GOP won't vote for him if he's convicted. At least they say that now. They might say differently in November.

    I really want DeSantis to come in third and drop out. I am as tired of that sad clown as I am Trump. I dread yet another election with Trump as the GOP candidate.


    Patriots!? (none / 0) (#175)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jan 15, 2024 at 10:28:57 PM EST
    Walking (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 09:36:43 AM EST
    Presidential Selection Process (none / 0) (#180)
    by RickyJim on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 01:16:22 PM EST
    I hope somebody can explain to me why we insist on using this absurd system of primaries and caucuses for selecting the POTUS.  The current system allows a few small states to have an outsized influence on who the final two candidates will be. Why don't big states have their primaries early?  Is some big conspiracy behind it?  

    The best way I can conceive of doing the selection, needing only a federal statute and no change to the constitution, would be:

    1. 6 months before election day, 1000 elected officials (Congress, Governors, Mayors) send in their choice for POTUS.  The top 10 from this poll (perhaps determined by ranked choice) advance to the next step.  
    2. National Primary Day - 3 months before the November election the country votes as a whole on the 10 candidate from 1. Their party affiliation is not on the ballot. The top 2 (again ranked choice can be used) advance to 3.
    3. Election Day - Business as usual, electoral college and all.

    Of course, people who think the 2 party system is something great wouldn't like it and Donald Trump wouldn't have gotten past 1 if this method was used in 2016.  But this is an example of how a substantial improvement can be made to American governance without a new constitution.

    Caucuses and Primaries (5.00 / 4) (#190)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 09:23:12 PM EST
    are different. Caucuses are run by political parties, not the state. Yes, it's a terrible system because it excludes so many voters.

    But do some research. There are a lot of posts here by BTD (and a few by me) on what happened in 2008 when Florida and Michigan tried to move their primaries up. Wikipedia on the MI Dems is here. FLorida Republicans is here. FL Dems is here.


    For good or ill, political parties (none / 0) (#187)
    by Peter G on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 04:15:17 PM EST
    are private associations with the First Amendment right to select their official representatives in pretty much any cockamamie and nonsensical way they choose. At least, other than only allowing white people to vote. (I know that's hard to believe, since there is no history of structural racism in this country; or so I hear.) At least that's what I think I remember from studying "political and civil rights" in law school almost 50 years ago. Anyone know better?

    First Amendment? (none / 0) (#189)
    by RickyJim on Tue Jan 16, 2024 at 04:39:02 PM EST
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    It doesn't say anything about Congress not having the right to establish how presidential candidates are chosen, providing that method doesn't contradict another part of the constitution.

    Well, then. I guess you know better (5.00 / 2) (#193)
    by Peter G on Wed Jan 17, 2024 at 11:42:00 AM EST
    than I do, or the Supreme Court. Thanks for straightening us all out.

    Scotus May Have Never Considered the Issue (none / 0) (#194)
    by RickyJim on Wed Jan 17, 2024 at 07:44:12 PM EST
    At least there is no mention in this Wikipedia article.  However there is a link to to NY Times article from 1915 which says a National Primary Day plan was dropped because the head of the Senate committee looking into the matter thought a constitutional amendment would be needed since Congress is not explicitly given the power to do such a thing.  I suppose he was thinking of:
    Tenth Amendment
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    I wonder how "the people" can claim a power?  Has it ever happened?