R.I.P. Rosalynn Carter and Open Thread

Rosalynn Carter has died at age 96, two days after she entered home hospice.

She and former President Jimmy Carter were married for 77 years. Here is the statement he issued today.

Our condolences to former President Carter and the entire Carter family.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    It's a strange thing (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 20, 2023 at 04:53:33 PM EST
    that the country that elected Jimmy Carter elected Donald Trump a generation later.

    The tribute to Former First Lady, (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by KeysDan on Tue Nov 28, 2023 at 04:20:57 PM EST
    Rosalyn Smith Carter, at Glen Chapel of Emory University, was heartfelt. .  First Lady, Dr. Jill Biden and former First Ladies, Secretary Clinton, Mrs Bush, Mrs. Obama and Mrs. Trump were present as were Vice President Harris and the First Gentleman

     As Mrs. Carter's grandson, Jason Carter,  noted in his eulogy, the Carter family also welcomed Dr Jill Biden's and Secretary Clinton's lovely husbands. Former President Carter, who has been in hospice care since early this year,  was present  attended by several care givers.

    The Carter's son, Chip, presented a moving tribute of admiration, accomplishment and respect --"a beautiful women, and pretty to look at, too."

    And speaking of the entire Carter family (none / 0) (#1)
    by Peter G on Mon Nov 20, 2023 at 04:08:39 PM EST
    The circle will be unbroken.

    A U of R (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by jondee on Tue Nov 21, 2023 at 04:50:30 PM EST
    history prof friend of mine met both Roselyn and Jimmy years ago, and said he was much more impressed by Roselyn.

    I bet Jimmy wouldn't mind at all someone saying that.


    Happy (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 22, 2023 at 03:14:55 PM EST
    Hoppy T-day (none / 0) (#5)
    by desertswine on Thu Nov 23, 2023 at 01:05:50 PM EST
    Happy Thanksgiving (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Nov 23, 2023 at 04:41:57 PM EST
    I had a neighbor over and we had quite a spread.  We both decided to avoid family gatherings this time.

    We had -- and still have -- a full house (none / 0) (#9)
    by Peter G on Fri Nov 24, 2023 at 01:05:12 PM EST
    Three grown daughters and their spouses (all folks we like), and three grandchildren (ages 5, 4 and 1). And an extra dog. Big traditional Thanksgiving Day dinner that everyone pitches in to make together in our kitchen.

    How (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 24, 2023 at 04:45:42 PM EST
    wonderful that you have your entire family together!

    Family gatherings (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 24, 2023 at 05:53:49 PM EST
    are getting more difficult for some.  Half the country still says they want Trump to be president.

    I guess I am the skunk at the picnic.  I'm find it really hard to talk about the weather or whatever else with people who want Trump to be president.
    It's not like people who wanted Bush, or Dole, or Romney to be president.  It's not politics.

    But I know I'm not alone.

    I'm glad you are home and healing.  


    I'm with you. (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Nov 24, 2023 at 06:32:31 PM EST
    At this juncture, it's my opinion that anyone who STILL supports that guy is mentally unhinged. I refuse to fraternize, socialize or harmonize with anyone who still thinks he should be POTUS. I don't trust their judgement, I have no respect for their opinions, no matter the subject.

    It's worse (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Nov 24, 2023 at 05:58:25 PM EST
    for me, because I get along very well with my two living siblings.  Even politically, one to one, we speak the same language.

    But their families, their entire families, are card carrying cult members.
    They both personally understand this.  They know why I don't cone.


    I watch (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 25, 2023 at 08:48:29 AM EST
    the Bulwark podcast on YouTube and they were talking about this very thing. I have experienced this being my mother and brother were Trumpers. However since the insurrection and the indictments they don't mention him anymore. Since my mother moved into a retirement village she can't host Thanksgiving anymore. As for me when they would start political conversations I would just get up and leave the room. There is no reasoning with them. I will never understand the appeal.

    We have no political disagreements (none / 0) (#30)
    by Peter G on Sun Nov 26, 2023 at 01:31:03 PM EST
    in the family, luckily. (Except one son-in-law's parents, whom we only see once a year or less. And they are really nice people, other than being politically and religiously quite conservative.) Even so, I can't recall a single political conversation during the entire five or six days we were together this week. Not even middle east stuff, where we might have some disagreements (left-liberal vs radical, basically).

    I hope (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 24, 2023 at 12:17:42 PM EST
    everybody had a great Thanksgiving.

    For those that don't know I fell down the stairs at my house because I was carrying my blind and deaf dog. So I was in the hospital early November and I am still recovering. So I only fixed a few sides and had to do that over the span of several days. Even with all that it was a nice thanksgiving because I had my both sons, my daugther in law and my grandson here.

    Glad you're recovering OK.. (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by desertswine on Fri Nov 24, 2023 at 12:44:34 PM EST
    stairs can be a real hazard.

    Thanks. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Nov 24, 2023 at 04:44:42 PM EST
    It has been no fun.

    ohmygosh (none / 0) (#12)
    by leap2 on Fri Nov 24, 2023 at 05:34:32 PM EST
    Stairs, ladders, and bathrooms. Those keep ERs hopping. I've been so wary of stairs, ever since a college friend fell down stairs at her home a few years ago. She was suddenly paralyzed from the neck down to her feet. And died about 10 months later, after a slow/fast decline. Just horrible, and freaked out all of us. Now when I go down stairs, I hang on to at least one rail. Sometimes that's all there is. And if I am carrying something, I go down one step at a time, sideways. I toss/roll my laundry bag down the stairs to the basement where the washing machine is. To hell with carrying that!

    I'm so glad you are doing OK. That is not fun or funny.


    Yes (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 25, 2023 at 08:51:03 AM EST
    at the hospital the nurses and techs told me I was extremely lucky though it seems the way I went down which was flat on my back would be less chance of something worse happening.

    So glad you are recovering (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 24, 2023 at 07:26:44 PM EST
    and that you had your family this holiday. I am just learning of this and I hope you will keep us updated. Did you break anything? I hope not.

    I fell out of bed and broke a rib just before Thanksgiving three years ago. Not realizing it was broken, I went back to bed. The next day I  had an x-ray or cat scan-- and learned it was broken. Since I had broken a different rib a few years before, I knew there is no treatment for broken ribs (except for pain pills, which thankfully, they liberally prescribed and renewed until the pain was gone. Today, thanks to the Global Holy Warriors (DEA), they try to send you home with aspirin or ibuprofen).

    Do you have Medicare? (Please don't be insulted if you are too young for Medicare, I don't know anyone's age here!) Medicare sent two home nurses every week for 4 weeks to give me physical and occupational therapy. It helped and it's completely free with Medicare.

    Happy Thanksgiving and I'll put up an open thread soon.


    I have/had (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 25, 2023 at 08:58:01 AM EST
    a compression fracture on T-12 and L-1. I had kypoplasty where they inject bone cement into the vertebrae. So I am up and walking around. I still have pain and can't stand for a long time or even sit for more than a few hours but I am slowly getting less pain and more mobility every day. I had to stay in the hospital until they could get me into surgery because the first night they said they would not send me home with pain meds. Then the next night they said they would send me home with 7 days of pain meds but couldn't guarantee I would get into surgery within 7 days. I'm 63 so I don't qualify for Medicare yet and am dealing with private insurance. I am guessing I will be spending the next 6 months dealing with the bills and trying to get them paid.

    My stepfather broke his ribs a couple of times. It was nothing but pain like you said and he just had to wait for them to heal. He has some sort of brittle bone disease which makes it worse for him.

    The hospital said I should get physical therapy but I haven't gotten into a follow up with the family practice doctor yet because unbeknownst to me my family practice closed and am now having to go to another doctor.

    It's been like a comedy of errors.


    On the subject of pain (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Nov 25, 2023 at 10:53:49 AM EST
    I watched both series about the Oxy disaster.  Dopestick on HULU and Painkiller on Netflix.

    Both are good and will probably shock you.  It shocked me and I live pretty much ground zero. And have addicted relatives.

    According to the NYTimes data my drugstore (at the time) was a major offender.  More than 3 million pills in the few years they counted.  Thats insane the population of the county is about 15000.


    After (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 25, 2023 at 02:19:41 PM EST
    having so much back pain I can definitely see how someone can get addicted. Just this week a lady on our community board said that her husband was in a car wreck and got addicted to pain pills and lost his career of 17 years and she was having to start all over with 2 young children. For me they only took the edge off the pain and maybe that is by design. My brother runs a pain clinic in SC and he said the best that I would get is taking the edge off. The side effects also weren't worth it. Motrin works better for me.

    I wonder if there some sort of knowlege about who prescribes these and people come from other areas to get the pills hence so many being prescribed in your town.


    A few years back (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Nov 25, 2023 at 03:22:33 PM EST
    The Times put together an opioid database that I'm sure is still online if you look for it.

    It turns out every pill is tracked.  They know, to the pill, where they were sold.  I'm sure someone knows who bought them but that part was not in the published data.  Just the drugstore.

    In my county, at the time, there was 2 drugstores that accounted for almost all of it.  Both owned by the same guy.
    Still runs them both as far as I know.

    In most counties, they literally list every drugstore and the numbers for each, Walmart was the tops.  In that country no Walmart.


    I think this is it (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Nov 25, 2023 at 03:26:07 PM EST
    I never really thought about stairs. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Nov 27, 2023 at 02:10:59 AM EST
    At least, not until I came to southern France a week ago and have been staying in my sister's 1,000-year-old hometown in Provence. (I leave tomorrow afternoon.)

    Now, I'm acutely conscious of them because the terrain around here outside Nice and Antibes is mostly these incredible (and sometimes quite steep) hills with narrow streets that wind around, and sidewalk shortcuts up- and downhill that are often cement staircases with steps of varying widths which, more often than not, have no handrails. One really must pay attention and watch one's own steps around here.

    I'm so sorry to hear of your recent fall and hospitalization, and I am glad that you are on the mend and have your family around you. We're now of that certain age where we must confront the fact that we're no longer spring chickens. I fell a few months ago in Honolulu near City Hall and it happened so fast that I was already face-first on the ground before I even realized that I had fallen. Fortunately, the only thing hurt was my pride. I have to learn to pick my feet up a little higher when I walk.

    Take care and get well soon. Aloha.


    Thanks (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 27, 2023 at 08:58:33 AM EST

    Sorry to hear about the fall. (none / 0) (#37)
    by coast on Mon Nov 27, 2023 at 12:17:22 PM EST
    I hope you have a speedy recovery.  I'm sure having your kids, your daughter in law, and your grandson helped pick up your spirits.  Get well!

    Thanks (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 27, 2023 at 01:24:40 PM EST
    Yes, having family around really helped though none of them are far away. My oldest son lives about 15 minutes down the road and my other son is in Atlanta.

    Republican grooming. (none / 0) (#21)
    by KeysDan on Sat Nov 25, 2023 at 12:05:22 PM EST
    The Indianola (Iowa) Middle School District's Respect Quote of the Day,  "My honor is my loyalty"  by Heinrich H.

    Apparently, the District used the initial H. So that the Iowa's Connor and Maddie  would not get their Heinrich's mixed-up.  But this nice quote is from Heinrich Himmler. Reichsfuhrer of the Schutzstaffel (SS), and among architects of the Holocaust.

    But, we can't vote for President Biden because of the 2022 cost of     eggs.   Can it be any clearer that the 2024 election is between democracy and fascism?

    I hope (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 25, 2023 at 02:24:27 PM EST
    voters get it together before 2024 or we are gonna be in a heck of mess as a country.I am so sick of hearing Biden is old. NSS. It was one of the reasons he was at the bottom of my list in 2020 but here we are and IMO he needs to turn that into a postive talking about how he has experience and life events that make him uniquely qualified for these crazy times. There are times however I think he doesn't really get it and is stuck in this 1970's mindset where the GOP is the "honorable opposition"

    From actuary tables: (none / 0) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Sat Nov 25, 2023 at 03:09:26 PM EST
    An 81-year old (Biden)life expectancy is  7.82 years. A 77 and a half-year old (Trump) life expectancy is 9.7 years.  Also, Biden is the incumbent and would be expected to run for a second term, given his excellent presidential record and barring serious health conditions.   Age is not a serious health issue.

    Moreover, it as not as if the Constitution does not provide for succession--but, of course, this is a major part of the "age issue", the first in line of succession is a woman, and not just a woman, but a Black woman.  

    I believe President Biden is a savvy politician and knows exactly what the Republican Party of today (and even the Party of the past) is all about. But, he is president of the United States and sees his responsibility to unite and, for the good of the country, to be able to govern  with these miscreants as best he can.

    However, the re-election campaign, as in the mid-terms, needs to take the governing gloves off and call a fascist a fascist. That, too, is for the good of the country.

    (Sorry to learn of your fall, glad to know that the injuries and you are on the mend..  Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Dan).


    THanks (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 25, 2023 at 03:57:57 PM EST
    for the well wishes.

    Yes, Kamala is one of the issues and no one is worse than the one dubbed Nimrata Randhawa by the Trumpers. Conservative women appear to have some serious internalized misogyny and Nikki pushing misgynoir is only really hurting herself. But maybe she realizes she is never going to win the primary and is playing for the base. She also appears to have no self respect.


    The media (none / 0) (#28)
    by KeysDan on Sat Nov 25, 2023 at 04:20:42 PM EST
    is trying to make Nikki a thing.  They tried with DuhSantis , but they must never have noticed his charmlessness. In any event. It is too late, the ship has sailed.  Maybe, just hoping for an iceberg.

    Ironically (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 25, 2023 at 04:35:51 PM EST
    DeSantis is supposed to be getting endorsements from more Republicans like Brian Kemp. Kemp being plantation himself is kind of not surprising. DeSantis is a fellow traveler with Kemp in signing all the think tank trash leglislation.

    However so far all this has done is make 40% or so of the GOP base mad. Frankly I would much rather face DeSantis than Trump. DeSantis signed a lot of very bad legislation and has one of the worst economies if not the worst in the US.


    I love this (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Nov 26, 2023 at 02:17:39 PM EST

    Biden Says Concerns About His Age Are `Stupid'
    November 26, 2023 at 1:46 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 149 Comments

    President Biden dismissed concerns about his age as "stupid" while shopping in Nantucket, Massachusetts over the weekend, The Messenger reports.

    More malicious and bad-faith (none / 0) (#32)
    by Peter G on Sun Nov 26, 2023 at 07:56:19 PM EST
    than stupid, I would say.

    That was a totally bizarre scene (none / 0) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Nov 27, 2023 at 02:17:40 AM EST
    The only one asking Biden about his age was that Fox News reporter, who then went on the air live and said that questions continue to linger about the president's age, completely heedless of the fact that he was the only member of the accompanying press corps who had asked such a question. What an idiot!

    This (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 27, 2023 at 07:34:10 AM EST

    The reporter did get some blowback from critics over crediting the age question to "a reporter" rather than to himself.

    I wonder if this means (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Nov 29, 2023 at 07:21:53 PM EST
    some kind of good news is coming?  His rants often do.

    Trump Unleashes Grievances, Warnings in 24-Hour Rant
    November 29, 2023 at 4:18 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 128 Comments

    Donald Trump "has spent the last 24 hours on Truth Social unleashing a torrent of grievances, vengeful promises and links to online conspiracy theories about his political rivals," Axios reports.

    And speaking of good news (none / 0) (#41)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 29, 2023 at 09:15:15 PM EST
    Notorious war criminal Henry Kissinger is finally dead. One of many to be wrongly awarded a Nobel Peace Prize. Look for reckless descriptions of him as "respected" and "statesman."

    Well, that's because Kissinger WAS respected. (none / 0) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 29, 2023 at 10:11:55 PM EST
    He just wasn't respected by people like you and me.

    Henry Kissinger was the Prince Klemens von Metternich of our time, a brilliant Cold War-era foreign policy analyst who was perhaps far too keen to maintain the balance of power between the U.S. and U.S.S.R. for anyone's good, regardless of the costs, particularly in his reflexive resistance to Soviet expansionist tendencies in Central Europe and elsewhere.

    In my estimation, Kissinger's biggest and most considerable failing was his tone-deaf and amoral indifference to the immediate and long-term consequences of his diplomatic machinations upon the hoi polloi of the world, who I imagined he saw as inconsequential to his mission.

    As a result, the people of Chile and Argentina paid an enormous price for Kissinger's advice to presidents Nixon and Ford to support the military coups in those countries, with the result being tens of thousands of their citizens either killed or simply "disappeared."

    Kissinger was the ultimate pointy-headed intellectual in the ivory tower, an academic at heart whose diplomatic legacy is a decidedly mixed bag of actual accomplishments that advanced the cause of peace, and some incredibly dubious decision making which ultimately led to tragic outcomes for millions of people on the ground.



    you are sure (none / 0) (#43)
    by leap2 on Wed Nov 29, 2023 at 10:47:01 PM EST
    more polite than I am!

    next up: (none / 0) (#44)
    by leap2 on Wed Nov 29, 2023 at 10:48:28 PM EST
    Dick "Dead-eye" Cheney

    "Notorious war criminal Henry Kissinger ... (none / 0) (#45)
    by desertswine on Thu Nov 30, 2023 at 01:22:12 AM EST
    is finally dead."

    For now.