Roe v. Wade Decision Fallout

During Olivia Rodrigo's set today at the Glastonbury Music Festival, she brought out Lily Allen. Olivia denounced yesterday's Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade which she tells the crowd will put the lives of so many women at risk because they won't be able to get a safe abortion.

Olivia dedicates the next song to the five Supreme Court Justices who voted to overturn Roe. She calls out their names individually and says,"We hate you". The crowd cheers. Lily Allen repeats "We hate you" and Olivia and Lily launch into a 2009 song by Lily called "F*ck You". The crowd gleefully joins in the refrain.

Here is a version of Lily singing the song accompanied by the lyrics. (In 2014, she performed the song dedicating it to Donald Trump. She also has performed it before at Glastonbury.) Here's an account of their performance today in the Guardian.

I'm still writing my thoughts on the court's decision, it will be up soon. In the meantime, here's a place to discuss the decision.

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    I have been trying to think of a precedent (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Peter G on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 08:32:54 AM EST
    or analogy to the present situation. I am thinking about how 20 years of "massive resistance" to Brown v Board of Ed (1954) did in fact succeed in delaying and eventually, to a large extent, denying the promise of racially integrated public schools. Perhaps also how many localities never really complied with the Supreme Court's decisions of the early '60s prohibiting state-sponsored religious prayer and Bible-reading in public schools. Neither is really analogous. Perhaps the Dodds decision is more like Prohibition, where a nation-wide legal ban on personal conduct resulted from a determined, "morality"-fueled minority crusade. In the face of massive non-cooperation and resistance (which was mostly not part of any organized political effort), Prohibition had to be repealed, but it took over 12 years (1920-1933).

    You just have to wonder (none / 0) (#7)
    by MKS on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 03:59:02 PM EST
    how Prohibition got enacted as a Constitutional Amendment in the first place.  Really?  

    Something as widespread as alcohol sales....which has been around for how long?

    I suppose if they could pass Prohibition, they could squeeze out prohibitions on abortion.

    The GOP is masterful at ruling from a minority position.  Apartheid indeed.  


    And the Roaring Twenties (none / 0) (#8)
    by MKS on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 04:00:09 PM EST
    was big time for partying and throwing off restraint.....

    Frum (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 27, 2022 at 04:54:03 PM EST

    Roe Is the New Prohibition
    June 27, 2022 at 4:26 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 277 Comments

    David Frum: "The culture war raged most hotly from the '70s to the next century's '20s. It polarized American society, dividing men from women, rural from urban, religious from secular, Anglo-Americans from more recent immigrant groups. At length, but only after a titanic constitutional struggle, the rural and religious side of the culture imposed its will on the urban and secular side. A decisive victory had been won, or so it seemed."

    "The culture war I'm talking about is the culture war over alcohol prohibition. From the end of Reconstruction to the First World War, probably more state and local elections turned on that one issue than on any other. The long struggle seemingly culminated in 1919, with the ratification of the Eighteenth Amendment and enactment by Congress of the National Prohibition Act, or the Volstead Act (as it became known). The amendment and the act together outlawed the manufacture and sale of alcoholic beverages in the United States and all its subject territories. Many urban and secular Americans experienced those events with the same feeling of doom as pro-choice Americans may feel today after the Supreme Court's overturning of Roe v. Wade."

    "Only, it turns out that the Volstead Act was not the end of the story. As Prohibition became a nationwide reality, Americans rapidly changed their mind about the idea. Support for Prohibition declined, then collapsed. Not only was the Volstead Act repealed, in 1933, but the Constitution was further amended so that nobody could ever try such a thing ever again."

    Maybe, at a time like this (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Peter G on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 08:43:46 AM EST
    I looked this up (none / 0) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 08:13:13 PM EST
    but didn't find an answer.

    Does a military medical facility have to abide by a state provision that prohibits abortion?

    I'm confused about federal enclaves.


    I saw this on Politico (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 08:48:23 PM EST

    After Roe's fall, the Pentagon has no answers for female service members

    But so far, the Pentagon does not have any policy to announce for accommodating female service members stationed in states that have outlawed abortion, officials tell NatSec Daily.

    Female troops seeking the procedure already face steep hurdles to getting the care they need: They cannot get abortions at military medical facilities, and federal law also prevents troops from using their Tricare health insurance to cover the cost of the procedures at private facilities, unless the life of the mother is at risk due to the Hyde Amendment.

    I was surprised (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 03:17:36 PM EST
    at all the big corporations that immediately announced they would pay for employees to travel if needed for an abortion.  
    From racial issues to gender issues to this corporations, who I saw as the bad guys for most of my life, are often working to save our country.

    Maybe even helping to move govt to help too.

    Pentagon to Keep Access to Reproductive Health Care
    June 26, 2022 at 4:09 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment

    Pentagon is working to ensure that members of the military, their families and its civilian employees will still have access to "reproductive health care" after the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, Axios reports.

    Politico reports the Defense Department currently does not have a policy to accommodate service members or employees who are seeking an abortion but are stationed in a state that has outlawed abortion.

    Maybe not, on second thought (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Jun 29, 2022 at 07:37:00 AM EST

    "An attorney for Ginni Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, said Tuesday that he saw no reason for her to testify before the House select committee investigating the deadly Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, adding he had `serious concerns' about any potential interview," the HuffPost reports.

    In Plain Sight (none / 0) (#3)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 11:43:31 AM EST
    Rep. Mary Miller (R.IL)--15th District (Southern Illinois), during a Trump rally, praised TFG for his SC appointments.  She continued stating that Trump, therefore, paved the way for "the historic victory for white life."  With good cheer from the  audience.

    Ms. Miller may be remembered for her praise of Adolph Hitler shortly after assuming office in Jan 2021, with respect to whoever has the youth has the future.

    And, then there is Senator John Cornyn (R.TX) who responded to President Obama's criticism of the Dobbs decision, with his tweet (directing the SC): "Now do Plessy v Ferguson/Brown v Board of Education."

    Of course, Miller later claimed she misread (as she did about her comment about Der Fuhrer) and Cornyn, said he meant overturning bad decisions is really good.  

    This is going to be disastrous for republicans (none / 0) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 03:32:09 PM EST
    The are so bad at explaining what they want or do to voters.  Maybe because they have not needed to for such a long time.

    Even when they have a sort of a point they make it in a way that only makes them look worse.

    John Cornyn says 'Now do Plessy vs Ferguson/Brown vs Board of Education'

    The Alito majority opinion (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 04:25:51 PM EST
    does not give the Republicans much to work with. The brew Alito and his fellow Christianist reactionaries have provided, when distilled down, is like a Papal Bull--by Leo X.

     When preached to, essentially, that we must live as Our Grand Founders did and would have wanted us to do, and our altar boys (i.e., clerks) have poured through centuries-old non-government documents in Ginni's and Clarence's library, so as to divine what that is.....you are talking about running a religion, not a diverse country.

    This is an Opus Dei document by Opus Dei or Opus Dei-adjacent justices. This troubling photo of Alito and Kavanaugh, with the Christofascist German Princess and the arch-conservative German Cardinal Muller is not helpful, either. These reactionary Germans are anti-gay and
    and anti-abortion activists.  



    So bad (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 03:43:22 PM EST

    During a discussion on Meet the Press, host Chuck Todd noted that there is Republican infighting about whether rape and incest victims should have a right to abortion.

    "Some are going to want exceptions," Todd said of Republicans. "Is that going to survive primaries?"

    "Look, you know what the Republican Party should do now?" Noonan asked. "It should use this victory, if you see it that way, to change itself and becomes a party that helps women."

    At that point, the panel erupted in laughter.


    Trump lashes out at 'weak and frail RINO' Peggy Noonan in rant about 'stupid!' conservative pundits
    Hours after Wall Street Journal columnist was laughed at on "Meet the Press" for suggesting the Republican Party become more women-friendly, former president Donald Trump issued a statement calling her and other well-known conservative pundits "foolish (stupid!)
    "I listen to all of these foolish (stupid!) people, often living in a bygone era, like the weak and frail RINO, Peggy Noonan, who did much less for Ronald Reagan than she claims, and who actually said bad things about him and his ability to speak, or Rich Lowry, who has destroyed the once wonderful and influential National Review, the pride and joy of the legendary William F. Buckley, or George Will, whose mind is decaying with hatred and envy before our very eyes, or Jonah Goldberg and Stephen Hayes, two people who are finally out of the conversation and of no relevance whatsoever."

    "Where do these people come from? They have no idea what the MAGA movement is, and even less of an understanding of America First, which is necessary, and even vital, to save our Country," he continued before concluding, "People like these are nasty, jealous, not smart, and of no use to the potential greatness of our Country," Trump said of Noonan, Will and their ilk. "They talk, they criticize, and they complain, but they don't have the ability or talent to get anything done. They are shortsighted `losers,' and will never understand what it takes to Make America Great Again!"

    You know what (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 04:54:07 PM EST
    helping women and children means? It would mean a massive welfare program. It would be the GOP implementing some sort of healthcare coverage, child care, expanding food stamps etc. It would actually be passing a large part of the build back better program. Does anybody believe that the GOP is actually going to do that when they are also campa9igning on ending Medicare and other programs that help people? Maybe a f3ew foolish people might fall for that scam but I would think the vast majority would not.

    The Dems should (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 07:47:46 PM EST
    Break the components up and make them vote on each individual piece as stand alone legislation on a weekly basis. Then published the results.

    "helping" (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jun 26, 2022 at 06:32:52 PM EST
    Is a pretty subjective term.  I'm sure Alito thinks he is helping women by making important decisions for them.  You know, to protect them.

    And the have (none / 0) (#15)
    by MKS on Mon Jun 27, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM EST
    fund all kinds of "crisis" centers which apparently are designed to coerce women into carrying a pregnancy to term.  They give out brochures.

    Paying to clothe, feed and educate a child?  No way, that is Welfare.  And, no God-fearing American is going to use their hard-earned money to pay for "those" deadbeats.


    My state (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 27, 2022 at 12:02:20 PM EST
    along with Mississippi and Louisiana are without a border state to travel to.  Right now it's Kansas or Illinois for us.

    Southern LA really zucks.  Any direction you have two states or TX.

    Probably a massive (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 27, 2022 at 12:03:29 PM EST
    black market for abortions in New Orleans

    All that needs (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 27, 2022 at 05:41:24 PM EST
    to happen is the DA saying they are not going to enforce the law. The DA in Nashville TN made the announcement the other day that he will not prosecute women or doctors.

    So what happens to the entire "pro-life" agenda if just nobody enforces it? Prior to this when Kemp wrote the stupid heartbeat bill the biggest counties in Georgia, biggest meaning most populous, said they were not going to enforce it. Brian Kemp just rolled over on that. So far we have no legislation. Nobody seems too much of in a hurry to do anything about abortion. The support for Roe v. Wade in GA is 60% which means if those women are ticked off enough it means a complete statewide wipe out of the GOP here in November. Also once the idiots in the Gold Dome start writing I expect a food fight to break out because the hardliners are going to settle for nothing short of charging women and doctors with murder.


    The governor (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jun 27, 2022 at 05:55:28 PM EST
    who a few days ago signed a ban with no exceptions for rape and incest.

    We will see how that goes when the first 12 raped by a family member makes the news.


    If you go (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jun 27, 2022 at 07:03:28 PM EST
    by the Duggar women they will accept the rape as God's will and apologize to the rapist for tempting them.

    This sounds like the Taliban.


    Of course the court didn't reverse Roe v. Wade (none / 0) (#22)
    by desertswine on Tue Jun 28, 2022 at 12:20:02 AM EST
    protections for everyone, only for the poor and the lower classes, in order, I suppose, to keep them there.

    Every single female I know (none / 0) (#24)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Jun 30, 2022 at 03:11:59 PM EST
    is livid over this. And none of them are of child bearing age.

    Now, admittedly, I do not congregate with those that congregate (spend time in church).

    The most religious person in my sphere was my mother and she died last year. And even still, I never heard her ever voice an opinion on abortion. As devout as she was, I think she also believed in people making their own decisions for themselves in the area.

    Oh, yeah (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 30, 2022 at 07:25:25 PM EST
    every single female I know is livid. A friend of mine sat down and cried after the decision came down and she's 55. Her daughter is going to have less freedom than she did. Fortunately her daughter lives in CO so she's not in a slave state. Even my 21 year old son is livid. He said the only thing he can figure is they literally hate women.

    In everything conservatives have been saying there is zero concern for women. Basically women are "hosts" and that is it.


    There will be blowback (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Jun 30, 2022 at 04:18:10 PM EST

    Mississippi House Speaker Philip Gunn (R) was asked about there being no exceptions in his state's newly-passed abortion ban.

    REPORTER: So that 12-year-old child molested by her father and uncle should carry that pregnancy to term?

    GUNN: That is my personal belief. I believe life begins at conception.

    Like a lot of things the experience will be different from the discussion of abstract ideas.



    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 30, 2022 at 07:26:43 PM EST
    I guess we will be hearing horror stories of women with forced pregnancies or children with forced pregnancies. Here in GA if they keep the same law miscarriages are going to be treated as murder investigations.

    This from James Vincent (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 30, 2022 at 09:23:05 PM EST
    Christian nationalism is on the rise, and people are thirsty for it," he said. "We are the Christian Taliban, and we will not stop until The Handmaid's Tale is a reality, and even worse than that to be honest."

    The little feller went on to say that they are trying to roll back rights for women for 100 years. "It's only going to get worse for you," he added.


    I would probably be kicked off the site if I expressed my opinion of this cretin.


    Drove across MO todat, St. Peters (why plural?) (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 30, 2022 at 11:06:17 PM EST
    to Independence. Lots of right-to-life billboards and even more "adult" sex shop ads, including one combo with a spa.

    Haven't a clue as to why (none / 0) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jul 01, 2022 at 11:12:34 AM EST
    St. Peters is plural. The drive from St. Peters to Independence goes through some extremely right wing, often racist, territory. The one bright blue spot midway through the drive is Columbia, a delightful college town smack dab in the middle of crazy land.

    St. Charles county is where all the white flight people moved as soon as St. Louis County started to become diverse. A definite snowball effort since the more diverse it becomes the more white people move to St. Charles area.


    Hooray for the red white and blue (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 03, 2022 at 02:31:33 PM EST
    State-sponsored (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 03, 2022 at 04:11:36 PM EST
    child abuse. An outcome the Republicans can live with (if not one they somehow see as beneficial) but an outcome the child may not. Ohio victimized the rape victim and put the health of the little girl in jeopardy.  Both physical and mental health, with death a possibility.  

    To add to the horror, it is not inconceivable that the rapist could get visitation rights, if not custody since a minor.  Although it may be that her rapist has custody of her--her father or another family member.

    But this little girl is not the only victim, think of poor Alito, Thomas,  Gorsuch, Barrett and Roberts.   They have had to ask the governors of VA and MD to enforce anti-demonstration laws in front of their vicarages.


    None of them will ever have (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 03, 2022 at 04:44:57 PM EST
    a peaceful meal in a restaurant again.

    Poor things.


    Well, Supreme Court (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by MKS on Mon Jul 04, 2022 at 08:54:52 AM EST
    Justices are entitled to a right of privacy, no?

    Their protected at all (none / 0) (#40)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 05, 2022 at 05:25:46 PM EST
    times by the holy blood shed in the pagan sacrifice of their Lord and Savior

    Excuse me, They're (none / 0) (#41)
    by jondee on Tue Jul 05, 2022 at 05:26:21 PM EST
    The right to eat dinner not in the constitution (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Jul 08, 2022 at 02:04:36 PM EST
    Don't citizens (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by BGinCA on Sat Jul 09, 2022 at 08:58:53 PM EST
    have the right to harass people exercising their constitutional right as long as there is an 36 foot buffer?
    The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the restrictions against demonstrating within 36 feet of the clinic (to the extent that the 36-foot buffer did not include private property), making loud noises within earshot of the clinic, and making loud noises within 300 feet of an employee's residence.
    How close were the protesters to Kavanaugh? Was he able to enjoy a beer? Are they 300 feet from his house?

    CNN (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 03, 2022 at 05:40:09 PM EST
    This is going to happen every time one of them crawls out from under their rock.

    You would be okay with a 10-year-old girl having to have a baby," the CNN host persisted.

    No, I'm never okay with that. That story will keep me up at night. It breaks my heart," Noem replied.

    "Will you change the law to have an exception for a situation like that?" she was asked.

    "I can't even imagine," Noem replied. "I would say I don't believe a tragic situation should be perpetuated by another tragedy. There's more we have to do to make sure we are living a life to say every life is precious, especially innocent lives that have been shattered like that 10-year-old girl."

    It's incredibly complicated, I get it," Bash pressed. "But i guess my question is, given how heartbroken you seem to be about the situation, maybe the question is this, because what I keep thinking about is, how is a 10-year-old girl physically, probably can't even carry a baby without being, never mind emotionally and physically tormented, but physically hurt. Would you consider that mother's life at risk?"

    "That's something in that situation the doctor, the family, the individuals closest to that will make the decision for that family," she replied.

    The dogma (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by KeysDan on Sun Jul 03, 2022 at 05:45:43 PM EST
    caught the car.

    A few don't shy away from the subject (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 03, 2022 at 08:05:53 PM EST
    Mississippi House Speaker says 12-year-old incest victims should continue pregnancies to term

    Mississippi House Speaker Philip Gunn (R) told reporters Wednesday it is his "personal belief" that if a 12-year-old girl is a victim of incest she should still be made to carry a resulting pregnancy to term.

    He says he believes that every life is valuable. What he is actually saying is that a fetus has more value than the life of the 12 year old victim.

    Doctors weigh in

    No 10-year-old anywhere in the world should be having a baby," Lewis Wall, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, told LiveScience.
    Nor are 10-, 11- and 12-year-olds remotely prepared to care for a baby, Wall said. But the risks are physical, as well.

    "The placenta preferentially will take nutrition from the mother, who really is a child," said Sherry Thomas, an ob/gyn at Mission Community Hospital in Panorama City, Calif. That means that the developing fetus will leach calcium and other nutrients from a child who should still be growing herself. Likewise, pregnancy puts a major strain on the cardiovascular system, according to Wall. Pregnant women have about 50 percent more blood circulating through their bodies compared with non-pregnant women. [8 Odd Bodily Changes During Pregnancy]

    The greatest danger, however, is to the pelvic floor. Girls may start ovulating and menstruating as early as age 9, though the average is around 12 to 13. (Some studies suggest that the average age of first menstruation is dropping, but the data is not conclusive.) Just because a girl can get pregnant, though, doesn't mean she can safely deliver a baby. The pelvis does not fully widen until the late teens, meaning that young girls may not be able to push the baby through the birth canal.

    It is really hard not to hate these people who will never have to risk their lives and give so little value to the lives of women and girls.


    I can actually respect those people more (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 03, 2022 at 08:45:47 PM EST
    that the likes of Kristy.  At least they are honest and display the courage of their convictions.

    But they will be the undoing of the Republican Party.


    I can't say that respect is anywhere (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jul 03, 2022 at 10:14:51 PM EST
    close to what I'm feeling about Mr. Gunn.

    Mr. Gunn, serving as his church's attorney, has been publicly accused of trying to cover up a sex abuse scandal involving the mishandling of sex abuse cases in Southern Baptist Convention churches.

    He does have convictions.