Sarah Palin Continues to Eat NYC Restaurants With COVID

Sarah Palin may love Sarah Palin, but she sure doesn't seem to care about anyone else. Saturday night she ate indoors at Elios. Monday she tested positive. Tuesday night she ate outdoors at Campagnola( my go-to Manhattan restaurant during the mid-90's through the mid-2000's, when I traveled to New York a lot.) Wednesday she went back to Elios and ate outdoors.

New York City Hall spokesman Jonah Allon said in a statement that, “By repeatedly flouting CDC guidelines, Ms. Palin has shown a complete disregard for the health and safety of small business workers and her fellow patrons. The city offers multiple resources to support isolation for those who test positive for COVID-19, and we encourage Ms. Palin to join the 98 percent of New Yorkers who report they have followed guidance on isolation and have helped New York City stop the spread.”

New York and CDC guidance suggest 5 days of isolation after being diagnosed with Covid. [More...]

Campagnola had the greatest host, named Sal. As one paper described it, it's a place frequented by law enforcement and the mobsters they chase (and their lawyers) and a lot of celebrities. Sal, and most of the staff, worked there for 30 years. Then in 2010, the owner died. He had always promised Sal he'd have first dibs at buying it when he passed. His daughter decided to try and run it and turned down Sal's offer. Sal was devastated. He left. Then in 2014, the daughter sold the place to a businessman.

But Sal ended up fine. He's now the owner and host of Come Prima (also on the Upper East Side), where he seems as loved as he was at Campagnola. (Great photo of him here). I wonder if Palin will eat at Come Prima next. Thankfully, for New Yorkers, her trial is only supposed to last 5 days and then she'll be going back to watching Russia from her house in Alaska. (Today should be her first day going out).

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    Everyone knows that Palin is (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 28, 2022 at 05:42:06 PM EST
    totally irresponsible, yet I wonder doesn't the restaurant also bear responsibility for endangering their customers and staff by allowing her to eat there.

    There is (none / 0) (#3)
    by BGinCA on Fri Jan 28, 2022 at 06:20:02 PM EST
    no vaccine or testing mandate for outdoor dining in NYC.

    I do think it is within the (none / 0) (#4)
    by MO Blue on Fri Jan 28, 2022 at 06:51:01 PM EST
    owner's rights to deny service to someone who has Covid and can spread it to those around them. I don't believe a mandate is necessary or that the lack of one absolves the restaurant of their responsibility to their customers or staff.

    Agree (none / 0) (#5)
    by BGinCA on Fri Jan 28, 2022 at 07:29:20 PM EST
    they shouldn't allow Covid positive people use their facilities. I just don't think employees or customers have any legal recourse.

    I'd refuse service (none / 0) (#104)
    by Mimi Haha on Fri Feb 11, 2022 at 05:37:39 AM EST
    ...even without knowing she has Covid. I wouldn't want her in my restaurant at all.

    RFK's book is $2.99 on the NYT non fiction list. (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by fishcamp on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 08:41:32 AM EST
    It should probably be on the fiction list.

    The Soup Nazi (5.00 / 3) (#80)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 09:06:10 PM EST
    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Green (Crackpot, Ga), in a rant about Speaker Pelosi, accused her of having a "Gazpacho Police".    

    The level of stupid in some members of Congress (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by MO Blue on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 08:27:12 AM EST
    is only surpassed by the level of stupidity of the people who vote for them.

    I am (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by KeysDan on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 11:33:24 AM EST
    waiting for Marjorie's doubling-down that Speaker Pelosi's Gazpacho Police are in league with the French collaborationists, the Vichyssoise.

    The Republican Congressional ranks are not exactly bulging with Rhodes Scholars.  For another example, take Thomas Massie (R. KY) who provided this gem of enlightenment: "over 70% of Americans who died with Covid, died on Medicare, and some people want #Medicare For All?"

    Republicans need to stop banning books and start reading some.


    and (none / 0) (#89)
    by leap2 on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 11:35:38 AM EST
    the New York City Goulash

    Many Republicans pride themselves (none / 0) (#102)
    by MO Blue on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 09:55:00 PM EST
    on how completely stupid they are. And others spend a lot of time and money finding ways to dumb down the population as much as possible.

    "unsettling preview of things to come" (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 09:17:40 AM EST
    That shameless hussy (1.00 / 2) (#111)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Feb 12, 2022 at 07:52:16 AM EST
    She must think she can act like a Democrat governor.

    "Hussy" seems a bit extreme (5.00 / 3) (#113)
    by Yman on Sun Feb 13, 2022 at 08:34:59 AM EST
    But she certainly is shameless.  Which Democratic governors were out dining in restaurants after being diagnosed with Covid?  OTOH - she fits right in with the GOP governors, who reject public safety measures, deny science and attack the public health experts in the name of "Freedumb!!!"

    She sometimes dined outdoors, but (none / 0) (#1)
    by Towanda on Fri Jan 28, 2022 at 04:19:23 PM EST
    went inside the Elios restaurant on her return there, too -- covid positive and unmasked as well as unvaccinated -- as is evident in videos.

    The (none / 0) (#6)
    by FlJoe on Sat Jan 29, 2022 at 02:13:20 PM EST
    modern Republican party, where vileness is a virtue.

    Republicans act with selfish impunity ... (none / 0) (#7)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Jan 30, 2022 at 01:51:02 AM EST
    ... because they believe the rules don't apply to them. And honestly, no one better personifies the GOP's culture of thoughtless self-indulgence than former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. There is no us in them.

    A local example of selfish impunity...

    A Los Angeles County supervisor enjoyed an al fresco meal at a restaurant just hours after voting last week to ban outdoor dining at the county's 31,000 restaurants over coronavirus safety concerns, according to a news report.

    Supervisor Sheila Kuehl was seen eating outside Nov. 24 at Il Forno Trattoria near her home in Santa Monica, Fox 11 reported. Earlier in the day Kuehl was among the supervisors who voted 3 to 2 in support of prohibiting outdoor dining in Los Angeles County. Indoor dining has been banned for months during the pandemic.

    That's an old story. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jan 31, 2022 at 05:13:32 PM EST
    Here's a more contemporary one:

    Los Angeles Times | January 31, 2022
    Newsom, Garcetti get blowback for maskless photos with Magic Johnson at Rams-49ers game - "Gov. Gavin Newsom, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti and other California leaders are facing criticism after they were photographed Sunday without face masks at the NFC Championship game at Inglewood's SoFi Stadium."

    You'd think that after that French Laundry restaurant flap in the fall of 2020, Gavin Newsom would have known better, but I guess not. Whenever I begin to reassess my often-harsh opinion of him as a person (he's otherwise been a good governor), he never fails to disappoint everyone with an avoidable public pratfall like this.

    And of course, there's British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, a man who appears to be perpetually enveloped by his own dust clouds. His belligerently obtuse attitude and reaction in the face of the so-called "Partygate" scandal at 10 Downing Street has (justifiably) inflamed a COVID-weary public and may well cost him his job.

    Nobel laureate and humanitarian Jane Addams once observed, "The essence of immorality is the tendency to make an exception of myself." It is incumbent upon those who hold positions of power to set an example in challenging times such as these, lest they undermine their own moral authority and leadership capacity with the general public by not practicing what they preach.



    Ya, that's what we discussed earlier. (none / 0) (#19)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 31, 2022 at 06:17:49 PM EST
    I live (none / 0) (#9)
    by BGinCA on Mon Jan 31, 2022 at 01:20:04 PM EST
    in LA county. I can assure you that indoor dining is not banned here. And I just returned from dining outdoors.
    BTW, Kuehl is a former actress, who played Zelda on "The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis."

    That story (none / 0) (#10)
    by ladybug on Mon Jan 31, 2022 at 02:07:06 PM EST
    is a couple of months old, and I think the outdoor dining may have been banned a few weeks over the holidays but it certainly is not in effect now. There are new stories out now about the hypocrisy of CA elites going maskless though.

    By the way, (none / 0) (#11)
    by ladybug on Mon Jan 31, 2022 at 02:12:09 PM EST
    Kuehl is a democrat, but I don't really think that matters.

    Yes, this is from a while ago. (none / 0) (#12)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 31, 2022 at 02:22:36 PM EST
    So glad she's not running for reelection

    From over (none / 0) (#13)
    by BGinCA on Mon Jan 31, 2022 at 02:54:43 PM EST
    a year ago. How did you happen to run across it now?

    and not easily forgotten. Now if I could just remember why I came into this room... lol

    More recently (none / 0) (#15)
    by BGinCA on Mon Jan 31, 2022 at 03:09:06 PM EST
    "Toward the end of a riveting NFC Championship game at SoFi stadium in Inglewood yesterday, the camera singled out a number of famous names in attendance. They included Leo DiCaprio, Jessica Alba, Magic Johnson and California Governor Gavin Newsom. None of them was wearing a mask."

    Kudos to Gavin Newsom from having learned his lesson from his French Laundry fiasco /s.


    Oof (none / 0) (#16)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 31, 2022 at 03:25:08 PM EST
    who'da thunk the TV broadcast team would put the camera on the famous people on the audience?

    Way to lead by example.


    Love these false equivalencies (none / 0) (#17)
    by Yman on Mon Jan 31, 2022 at 05:01:20 PM EST
    Palin was literally dining out after being diagnosed with COVID.  Moreover, Keuhl was following the rules, just like everybody else.  Her vote in support of the 3-week ban on outdoor dining was on November 24th, the same day she dined at the restaurant.  The temporary order didn't go into effect until the next day.

    Absolute nonsense. (2.00 / 1) (#20)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 31, 2022 at 06:19:58 PM EST
    But that's how you roll!

    Which part is "nonsense"? (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Yman on Tue Feb 01, 2022 at 05:42:47 AM EST
    Or are you confusing "nonsense" with facts in a failed attempt to create imagined hypocrisy?  Because that's how you roll.

    Right, because eating at restaurants (none / 0) (#22)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Feb 01, 2022 at 11:22:13 AM EST
    would endanger public health on Wednesday, but not the day before on Tuesday when she ate at the restaurant with her entourage.

    What a leader.


    I agree. (none / 0) (#23)
    by ladybug on Tue Feb 01, 2022 at 12:52:38 PM EST
    You expect leaders to stand by their convictions, not hide behind loopholes for themselves. That looks hypocritical.

    She was following the law (none / 0) (#24)
    by Yman on Wed Feb 02, 2022 at 04:50:11 PM EST
    Moreover, she was abiding by the rules, not holding herself above them - Unlike Palin, who not only failed to follow the vaccine mandate but who wouldn't even isolate once she was confirmed to have COVID.  The party of "Freedumb!" and selfishness.    But I understand why you'd try to deflect, once your equivalencies have been exposed as false and your hypocrisy only imagined.

    Wednesday because eating at restaurants would endanger the public health. Then, hours after she voted, she ate at a restaurant with a sizeable group of people and thereby endangered the public health.

    I called that "selfish impunity" and I stand by it.

    You seem to be, as you so often are, unhealthily fixated on the word "equivalencies." A word that I never used, and, in fact, a word that you introduced to the conversation. So you are arguing with yourself. I hope your astute use of italics helps you win!


    Wednesday because eating at restaurants would endanger the public health. Then, hours after she voted, she ate at a restaurant with a sizeable group of people and thereby endangered the public health.

    I called that "selfish impunity" and I stand by it.

    You seem to be, as you so often are, unhealthily fixated on the word "equivalencies." A word that I never used, and, in fact, a word that you introduced to the conversation. So you are arguing with yourself. I hope your astute use of italics helps you win!


    Hahahahahahahahaha .... (none / 0) (#28)
    by Yman on Wed Feb 02, 2022 at 08:14:40 PM EST
    You can call the grass blue and the sky green, but your attempt at drawing a false equivalency by comparing her to Palin was laughable.  But, hey ...  maybe double posting will convince someone else who has trouble with facts and logic.

    No italics. (2.00 / 1) (#29)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Feb 02, 2022 at 11:59:33 PM EST
    How can you win your argument with yourself without italics? Well, maybe next time.

    BTW - I never heard of her (none / 0) (#25)
    by Yman on Wed Feb 02, 2022 at 05:01:53 PM EST
    But it turns out she IS "quite the leader" and incredibly accomplished.  I mean, she's no megalomaniac bragging about sexually assaulting women, trying to fraudulently overturn an election, mocking POWs and Gold Star families, using charitable donations to pay business expenses and defrauding students in his "university" (and millions of others) - but she is "quite the leader".

    She is that. (none / 0) (#44)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 01:50:26 PM EST
    I first met Sheila Kuehl in Sacramento when she was serving in the State Senate as Judiciary Committee chair. She's a good woman, well-read and articulate - and further, she actually does her homework as a public official, unlike all too many others who repeatedly try to BS it their way through by making loud and very public spectacles of themselves. (See "Paul, Rand," "DeSantis, Ron" and "Gaetz, Matt.")

    live in LA County who aren't quite as gobsmacked as you apparently are with "well-read and articulate" politicians who are so blatantly...well, let's charitably call it "inconsistent"...when they shut down people's livelihoods.

    She certainly was articulate, though, every time she presided over the grand reopening of a bridge or roadway or whatever that was damaged in the fires, I'll give her that. As if they wouldn't have been repaired if she wasn't in office.


    Dear (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 06:55:17 PM EST
    lord, you are sure all in a wad over this...meanwhile the Republicans plunge into fascism and  all we hear
    are crickets from the likes of you.

    Politics is local (none / 0) (#52)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 07:18:58 PM EST
    You choose what you want to complain about and I'll choose what I want to complain about.

    Just (none / 0) (#53)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 07:36:17 PM EST
    like the rest of them, my freedumb is more important, we must defend ourselves against ourselves of the tyranny of the mask above all and point to the mundane hypocrisy of the elite.

    Priorities I suppose, and she's a Democrat so bothsides anyway.

    Maybe you are not a Trumper but it is people like you and your asymmetric complaints that helps it to survive.


    yep everyone who is not your savior (none / 0) (#55)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 09:30:26 PM EST
    is your enemy. good luck with that Joe.

    I (none / 0) (#57)
    by FlJoe on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 07:56:16 AM EST
    don't want a savior, I want people in this country to sober up from their petty grievance binge and face the real dangers in this country and the world.

    Right. Because if people don't (none / 0) (#73)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 12:06:21 PM EST
    stand with you cheek to jowl to fight all the fights you choose to fight, then they are fighting for the other side. We get it. Good luck.

    I'd offer better than even odds ... (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 02:08:58 AM EST
    suo: "heh, well, there are plenty of people who actually live in LA County who aren't quite as gobsmacked as you apparently are with "well-read and articulate" politicians who are so blatantly...well, let's charitably call it "inconsistent"...when they shut down people's livelihoods."

    ... that you've never even met and talked with Sheila Kuehl one-on-one. All you're doing here is complaining.

    This has been a tough past couple of years for everyone, not just you. And most of the people in office have worked very hard to keep their communities safe to the extent that they could. California officials overall did a good job dealing with COVID, with an infection rate which is two-thirds that of Texas and Florida.

    You're whining - yes, whining - about "[shutting] down people's livelihoods." Well, people aren't going to have much of a livelihood if they're dead and buried, or an invalid. And that's the potential scenario with which we were dealing two years ago.

    Hindsight's always 20/20, and we didn't have that luxury in the spring of 2020 when we had to make a tough call to shutter the economy and hunker down. We did the best we could with the information we had at the time.

    And if you don't like that, well, who cares? You're being selfish and petty, and the world doesn't revolve around you and your desires. You're b!+ching because you've been inconvenienced by COVID restrictions. Well, guess what? So has everybody else.

    But we're coping with the situation accordingly because we care about keeping others safe as best we can. I suggest you untwist your undershorts and do the same, because thee policy's probably not going to change until infection rates and conditions warrant it. And I daresay most sane and decent people in this country are heartily sick and tired of having to listen to the endless right-wing caterwauling from your side.

    If you think you can do a better job than Sheila Kuehl then hey, why don't announce your candidacy for L.A. County Supervisor? Because otherwise, talk is cheap, and your mouth and keyboard have lit up this thread like a K-Mart Blue Light Special.

    Christ, almighty.


    Awe. Do you feel better now? (2.00 / 1) (#71)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 11:36:18 AM EST
    I'd offer better than even odds ...

    ... that you've never even met and talked with Sheila Kuehl one-on-one. All you're doing here is complaining.

    Ya shoulda ended your opus manifesto there tough guy. Not only have I, like you, met her, but I, unlike like you, have met with her. You get the significance of the difference, right?

    You always overreach.

    However, none of your failings change the fact that if she voted to close the restaurants because the restaurants were going to make people, as you said, "dead and buried, or an invalid," she probably should not have then, immediately after that vote, gone and eaten in one with her crew. For which she was roundly, and deservedly, called out.

    C'mon, even a fanboi like you can admit that maybe this wasn't a great decision on her part.


    Do you think we could all agree that this (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Peter G on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 12:06:07 PM EST
    silly contretemps has now consumed easily 3x its share of TalkLeft space, and can now be let drop? Pretty please??

    heh. Probably so. (none / 0) (#74)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 12:10:44 PM EST
    I don't know why (none / 0) (#85)
    by ladybug on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 10:20:20 AM EST
    this topic is sillier than any other on this discussion board, which is full of complaints of all sorts. It is striking and sad to see all the businesses that are shut down in LA, and we do not yet know the long term effects of the lockdowns on children, the economy, the mentally ill etc. so it is a topic of concern. It has been a terrible time for everyone and we should be free to talk about it (without personal attacks).

    'Roundly and deservedly??? (none / 0) (#94)
    by Yman on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 04:30:00 PM EST

    By the wingnuts who can't even understand the difference between following the law and breaking it?!?

    Who gives a r@tz @$$ what those idiots think?


    "Charitably" - Heh (none / 0) (#93)
    by Yman on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 04:27:29 PM EST
    False claims of hypocrisy and false equivalencies are not "charitable" ... they're laughable.

    But the "plenty of people" thing was funny.  There are "plenty of people" who can't use logic or find basic facts to support their arguments, too.


    It surprised me today (none / 0) (#30)
    by fishcamp on Sun Feb 06, 2022 at 02:56:33 PM EST
    to read, in the Miami Herald book section Publishers Weekly, that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. book "The Real Anthony Fauci" is number three in the non fiction section.

    Many times (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 06, 2022 at 03:01:01 PM EST
    Right wing books are promoted to best sellers by nutjob foundations buying hundreds of copies.  

    Yeah, for awhile (none / 0) (#33)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 07, 2022 at 05:47:44 PM EST
    I was wondering how Glenn Beck's or Bill O'Reilly's new ghost-written book could possibly shoot so quickly onto the NYT bestseller list.

    Bulk sales.


    And people who (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 07, 2022 at 04:39:47 PM EST
    are buying it and believe Bobby Jr. are idiots.
    I'm sure his father and his uncles are spinning in their graves.

    I'm sure his father and uncle (1.00 / 2) (#36)
    by itscookin on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 07:52:22 AM EST
    are already spinning 24/7 from what the Democrats have morphed into. The party is unrecognizable to the Democrats of their era. "Ask not what your country can do for you" is the antithesis of what today's Democrats expect from the government. Kennedy's book on Fauci changed a lot people's minds who were once critical of RFK, jr.  The book is meticulously researched, and there are copious endnotes for every chapter. It's persuasive, which is the real issue for you, right? Congratulations to Simon and Schuster for having the courage to print it. You don't have to buy it.

    There (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 08:00:45 AM EST
    is something cookin all right...RFK's and your brain for instance.

    I like the stories (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 08:25:24 AM EST
    about hm picking up roadkill and keeping them in his car "way too long"

    Maybe (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 08:45:07 AM EST
    we have been too harsh on the right wing for ignoring the plight of the mentally ill, while all this time they have been running a very successful affirmative action program for them.

    It's not a bug (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 08:48:00 AM EST
    It's a feature

    Which begs the question (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 08:28:17 AM EST
    what is the appropriate time to keep roadkill in your car.

    Depends on the time (none / 0) (#46)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 03:31:11 PM EST
    of year and species.

    To be fair to JFK ad RFK Sr., ... (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 02:07:23 PM EST
    ... the Democrats of their era also included the racist right-wing likes of George Wallace, Trent Lott, Jesse Helms, et al. The passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and 1965 Voting Rights Act was the primary catalyst for some rather profound evolutions of both major parties.

    Free of its southern wing, Democrats inevitably moved leftward while the GOP under Nixon and Reagan welcomed disaffected white Dixiecrats, became the party that championed "state's rights" and commenced the slow downhill slide to the far-right crackpot and proto-authoritarian white nationalist party it is today.



    "Meticulously researched" (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Yman on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 04:20:12 PM EST
    ... and "persuasive"?


    The only "minds" changed by RFK's book are those with IQs in the single digits wrapping their heads in tinfoil.  He's a joke, just not as funny as wingnuts pretending to speak for his dead ancestors and what the Democratic party stands for.


    meticulously researched, (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 08:38:05 AM EST
    Then again Q (none / 0) (#47)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 03:34:38 PM EST
    Trump, and Kenneth Copeland are persuasive for a lot of people.

    I see one of the prominently (none / 0) (#50)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 06:05:06 PM EST
    featured blurbs on Amazon for Kennedy's book is from Mark Crispin Miller, a guy who claimed no children were killed at Sandy Hook and that Trump won the 2020 election.

    Not exactly a good look.


    Not a good sign (none / 0) (#54)
    by jondee on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 08:58:29 PM EST
    when the best people you can find to endorse your book are 9/11 and Sandy Hook Truthers. And you're fine with that.

    Simon & Schuster (none / 0) (#34)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 07, 2022 at 05:57:32 PM EST
    can KMA from now on. Not to put too fine a point on it.

    Speaking of political books (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 08, 2022 at 07:38:57 AM EST
    Yes, we can. (none / 0) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 08:27:33 AM EST
    Panel Says It Has Power to Disqualify Madison Cawthorn

    February 9, 2022 at 9:08 am EST By Taegan Goddard 92 Comments

    "The North Carolina State Board of Elections said on Monday that it has the power to block GOP Rep. Madison Cawthorn from running for reelection over his role in the January 6 insurrection -- an open legal question at the center of liberal-backed efforts to disqualify him from future office," CNN reports.

    "The bipartisan election board made the assertion in a court filing in a case Cawthorn brought against the board, hoping to shut down the constitutional challenge to his candidacy."

    You would expect the Board, through its (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Peter G on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 08:55:47 AM EST
    lawyer, to advocate the strongest possible position regarding the extent of its own power and authority. I will be interested to see what the court says, and then what the appellate court concludes on further review. My heart is with them, but my constitutional-law brain says the Board is probably wrong, as to what body has the authority to apply section 3 of the 14th Amendment to a candidate for Congress, and when.

    I (none / 0) (#60)
    by FlJoe on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 09:05:22 AM EST
    sense a sea change
    During his press conference on Tuesday, February 8, McConnell weighed in on the RNC's decision. On Friday of last week, the committee voted in favor of censoring the two Republican lawmakers simply for serving on the House Select Committee investigating the insurrection on the U.S. Capitol.

    "The issue is whether or not the RNC should be sort of singling out members of our party who may have different views from the majority. That's not the job of the RNC," McConnell said, adding, "Traditionally the view of the national party committee is, we support all members of our party, regardless of their positions on some issues."

    Breaking with Republican lawmakers, McConnell also described Jan. 6 as it was: a "violent insurrection."

    back bench insurrectionists like Cawthorn are likely to be cannon fodder if the GOP civil war finally gets serious.

    I think Pence and McConnell have a clearer picture of what the committee knows, after Pence's aides testified and they they know it isn't pretty for some elect4ed republicans in the house and maybe even the Senate.  


    The Turtle (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 11:11:36 AM EST
    may have received some reality therapy from his internal polling.  That "ordinary citizens participating in legitimate political discourse" thingy may not be registering as a winner bumper sticker.

    The RNC's first draft called it ... (none / 0) (#103)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 11, 2022 at 01:50:06 AM EST
    ... "nonviolent and legal political discourse." So, it wasn't like Republicans just slap-dashed this resolution together on the fly. They clearly put some serious thought into this political equivalent of an own goal, which actually says a lot - most of it unflattering - about the overall featherweight quality of the GOP's intellectual elite nowadays.

    Might not even be just J6 (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 09:10:42 AM EST
    Every time you think it can't get worse......

    This is just unbelievable.  I really think it's the worst thing I've ever heard one of them say.  And that is saying a lot.  I think some of the saner ones are starting to realize if they want to be a national party they might have to start drawing some line in the mud.

    Texas GOP candidate Shelley Luther complains that students can't make fun of transgender children

    The kids that they brought in my classroom, when they said that this kid is transgendering into a different sex, that I couldn't have kids laugh at them

    This person (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 09:16:04 AM EST
    was a teacher.  And probably will be again assuming she loses.  Which is not assured.

    Too bad that RawStory doesn't know (none / 0) (#65)
    by Peter G on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 10:15:43 AM EST
    the difference between "censoring" and "censuring."

    What is this (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 10:29:59 AM EST
    referring to?

    Ok (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 10:31:18 AM EST
    I guess the comment from Joe that doesn't work for me.

    Joes link does not work for me (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 10:37:48 AM EST
    Maybe because they corrected the typeo

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is facing criticism from far-right Republicans over his condemnation of the Republican National Committee's (RNC) move to censure Reps. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.).

    3 senators (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 09:13:17 AM EST
    Including RoJo attended the My Pillow Overturn The Election meeting.  

    Current requirement to be elected as a Republican (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by MO Blue on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 09:36:52 AM EST
    Are you completely "baths!t crazy? " We want you as a Republican Governor, Representative or Senator. Have you joyfully participated in sex with a minor or indulged in wife-swapping? We want you as a Republican Governor, Representative or Senator. Do you sexually exploit or rape women? We want you as a Republican Governor, Representative or Senator. You can even become President if you meet this requirement.

    I wonder (none / 0) (#66)
    by jmacWA on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 10:21:51 AM EST
    If there is a pledge to that effect that the prospective GOP candidate must sign.

    Yes (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 01:47:16 PM EST
    John Dickerson: "There is no formal application for the presidency. If there were, it might contain a few prescreening questions to bounce the obviously unqualified. Is the applicant 35 years of age or older? Were they born in the United States? Have they ever tried to overthrow a lawful presidential election? If a candidate said no to the first two questions or yes to the third, their application would not proceed to the bin for further review. HR would send a note thanking them for their interest."

    "The first two questions are constitutional requirements. The third is not a constitutional requirement but an implicit one: Shredding the Constitution should disqualify anyone applying for a job protecting the Constitution. School-bus operators are not picked from a pool of drivers with a history of high-speed, child-imperiling joyrides. Museum guards are not selected from the ranks of art thieves."

    "This is obvious. But not to the Republican Party. The 2024 GOP presidential nominee will either be Donald Trump, who tried to overthrow the results of the 2020 presidential election, or it will be someone who passes the current purity test: agreeing to overlook the fact that Trump tried to overthrow an election."

    A law professor from Iowa (none / 0) (#116)
    by Peter G on Sun Feb 13, 2022 at 08:24:49 PM EST
    agrees with me, for what it's worth. (He does appear to teach and write in the relevant areas of election law and federalism.)

    This is the best paragraph (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 14, 2022 at 03:05:38 PM EST

    States can't review a candidate's qualifications because the Constitution reserves that power to Congress itself. If voters elect a rascal who is constitutionally ineligible to serve, the people's representatives must decide whether or not to throw him out of the House.

    Rascal.  That's great.

    Reason Mag posted a story agreeing.

    I've never had a legal opinion about this because I don't have legal opinions.  But I think it's great.  And it may end up being effective against him.  With the caveat that it will also make home more popular.

    But IMO it's the right thing to do.  They are saying stuff that needs to be said about Madison and I'm glad they are saying it.


    It could help (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 14, 2022 at 05:04:27 PM EST

    On Monday, writing for Carolina Journal, former North Carolina GOP Executive Director Dallas Woodhouse outlined how a proposed state congressional map to remediate the illegal gerrymander struck down by state courts could affect one district in particular: that of freshman GOP Rep. Madison Cawthorn.

    Multiple sources tell Carolina Journal that new bipartisan congressional maps would result in seven solid GOP seats, five solid Democrat seats, and two swing districts," wrote Woodhouse. "Under the plan now under consideration, Democrats would achieve a long-stated goal of creating a new district in North Carolina's Sandhills region. It would be a swing district. The newly created 13th District would also be significantly altered. It would go from a double-digit GOP seat to a swing seat."

    The 13th District change would make Cawthorn, the youngest sitting member of Congress, significantly less safe. He has stirred controversy nonstop in office, speaking at the pro-Trump "Stop the Steal" rally preceding the January 6 insurrection, and has openly fantasized about Republicans declaring civil war.

    Good (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 03:58:04 PM EST
    Select Panel Subpoenas Peter Navarro

    February 9, 2022 at 5:12 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 10 Comments

    "The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday subpoenaed Trump White House official Peter Navarro for records and testimony," ABC News reports.

    Mr Green Bay sweep (none / 0) (#77)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 06:49:06 PM EST
    another credentialed nutjob farting into a stiff wind called reality.

    Its going around (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 07:17:38 PM EST
    this could be really important.  I was wondering about this when we heard the news about the archives calling the DOJ about the stuff Trump took to TaraLago.  It's one thing to take globe from the famous photo with Saudi royalty or your love notes from Kim but it's very illegal to take classified information away in a box.

    Ironically he could be charged with exactly what he kept trying to say Hillary did with HER EMAAAAILLLLS.  

    Trump Took Classified Information from White House

    February 9, 2022 at 8:08 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 55 Comments

    The National Archives discovered what it believed was classified information in documents Donald Trump had taken with him from the White House as he left office, the New York Times reports.

    Supposedly (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 09, 2022 at 07:21:13 PM EST
    the president can "declassify" anything,  but probably only while he is president, right?

    Unfortunately (none / 0) (#82)
    by MO Blue on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 08:34:41 AM EST
    I'm beginning to believe that the current Attorney General, with his inaction, will prove that Trump could shoot someone on 5th Ave. and get away with it.

    Unless classified info was involved (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 09:14:04 AM EST
    there is no penalty or enforcement for the Presidential Records Act, or whatever it's called.  So he can rip them up or flush them or burn them, all happened, and all that happens is Cheeto laughs and farts in our general direction.

    I mean why bother passing a law at all?


    The DOJ (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by KeysDan on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 12:45:13 PM EST
    should, at least, investigate.  Apparently, the DOJ instructed the National Archives to have their Inspector General investigate as a first step.  It may be that there is, or will be, a referral to the DOJ-- a protocol suited to the cautious Attorney General.

    Samuel Berger, National Security Advisor in the Clinton Administration, was fined $50,000 for removing and destroying classified documents from the National Archives.  The removal of documents was for convenience, in preparation for testimony regarding the 9/11 attack. And, destruction of documents was determined to be inadvertent.

    Berger avoided jail time when sentenced in federal court, but 100 hours of community service was required.  

    Certainly, Trump has a pattern,  not a one-off.  And, an investigation might well find classified materials in the mix. Not entirely satisfactory, but picking up roadside trash on a nail-tipped stick would be something.  While probably the least of Trump's crimes, it is an easily understood one, thanks to the likes of Comey and the butter e-mails non-scandal.


    Top secret (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 06:41:03 PM EST
    Some Documents Trump Took Were `Top Secret'

    February 10, 2022 at 5:27 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 297 Comments

    "Some of the White House documents that Donald Trump improperly took to his Mar-a-Lago residence were clearly marked as classified, including documents at the `top secret' level," the Washington Post reports.

    "The existence of clearly marked classified documents in the trove -- which has not previously been reported -- is likely to intensify the legal pressure that Trump or his staffers could face, and raises new questions about why the materials were taken out of the White House."

    I am loving this (none / 0) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 06:45:22 PM EST
    and laughing. However the press is trying to same sider their way out of covering this story.

    They are going to same sider us into fascism.


    Speaking of.... (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 11:51:44 AM EST
    I am watching Navarro live on MSNBC (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 04:49:23 PM EST
    it is unbelievable.  If you saw this in a movie you would say it's not believable.

    He has made some of his most incriminating announcements on Melbers show and today is the ganache frosting on the cupcake of crazy.  It will be everywhere soon.


    The weird part is (none / 0) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 04:56:04 PM EST
    he really makes a pretty good case that Pence really could have, if he chose to, thrown the whole election into total chaos.

    It's the best argument for this Electoral Count Act thing I've heard.


    I just (none / 0) (#97)
    by KeysDan on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 05:53:36 PM EST
    couldn't' watch it.  The forum for him is a grand jury and the J6--hope Navarro was so self-incriminating that Merrick Garland will have no choice but to haul him in.  Navarro along with Pence and TFG.

    I one can take it (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 06:29:46 PM EST
    Off Topic (none / 0) (#86)
    by RickyJim on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 11:01:39 AM EST
    Sorry about this.  What is the best way to signal Jeralyn that the latest Open Thread is filled up and another is needed?  TIA

    There is an email (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 11:29:44 AM EST
    On the upper left

    Upper left of what? (none / 0) (#107)
    by RickyJim on Fri Feb 11, 2022 at 11:27:12 AM EST
    I don't see it. And there still isn't a new Open Thread

    Of the page you are looking at (none / 0) (#108)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 11, 2022 at 11:31:34 AM EST

    Strange, It is on my Right Hand Side (none / 0) (#109)
    by RickyJim on Fri Feb 11, 2022 at 12:02:10 PM EST
    But thanks.  I will try it.

    Yes (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 11, 2022 at 12:04:42 PM EST
    Your other left.  Where it says E-Mail.

    But Still No New Open Thread (none / 0) (#114)
    by RickyJim on Sun Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:27 PM EST
    After using the email link.  Anybody else try?

    Sometimes (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 13, 2022 at 01:57:15 PM EST
    She is busy and does not immediately respond.

    When laughing at the rubes (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 03:33:08 PM EST
    Oh, man (none / 0) (#100)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 10, 2022 at 06:43:28 PM EST
    I don't know whether to laugh or cry because those people are real.

    I hope the F up the Superbowl (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 11, 2022 at 07:13:40 AM EST
    That will make them lots and lots of new friends.  Many of whom are as committed as they are.

    Populism's New Inferno

    February 11, 2022 at 7:18 am EST By Taegan Goddard 31 Comments

    "What began as a small-but-loud truck convoy protest against Canadian pandemic restrictions has snowballed into an international crisis that's been choking the busiest border crossing in North America all week," Axios reports.

    "Copycat convoys are spreading in other countries, including the United States, where officials warned of a potential disruption to Sunday's Super Bowl in Los Angeles."

    I (none / 0) (#106)
    by FlJoe on Fri Feb 11, 2022 at 07:39:30 AM EST
    would think there are a lot of working class people who are already pisssed, auto workers are already having their hours cut, the majority of truckers who are vaccinated are being screwed. Nothing matters though it's all Biden's fault anyway.

    If Putin does not invade (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 12, 2022 at 10:43:43 AM EST
    a sure is going to look foolish.

    Probably not good.

    The judge in Palin v NYT has decided (none / 0) (#119)
    by Peter G on Mon Feb 14, 2022 at 06:54:02 PM EST
    that the jury could not rationally and lawfully render a verdict for Palin, and so has announced that he intends to set the verdict aside if it goes in her favor. The judge (Jed Rakoff), a former federal prosecutor and white collar criminal defense lawyer, is one of the most senior, intelligent, and highly respected members of that bench. Either way, Palin has a right to appeal, although it seems unlikely that she could prevail if the jury goes against her. If the jury finds in her favor, but the trial judge overturns it, the appeal gets more interesting.

    The jury (none / 0) (#120)
    by KeysDan on Tue Feb 15, 2022 at 01:58:11 PM EST
    came to the same decision as the judge.

    So, if the RW legal movement wants (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Peter G on Tue Feb 15, 2022 at 02:19:00 PM EST
    to use her case as a tool, they can appeal through the U.S. Court of Appeals and then seek a decision from the U.S. Supreme Court modifying the landmark 1964 First Amendment precedent called NY Times v. Sullivan, which constitutionalized the law of libel. But if it thereby becomes easier for public figures to sue media companies (including newspapers) for defamation, I would think the Fox, OAN, etc. world -- being more reckless with the truth when flinging personal attacks -- has more to lose than the "mainstream media."