Thursday Open Thread

I am so glad August is almost over. And I'm so sorry to those of you who expected me to be blogging and updating. I honestly couldn't find a time to do it.

But September is around the corner, and my work and court schedule will be back to normal.

The only news I've had time to follow is Afghanistan. What a terrible day the U.S. military had today.

Anyone who believed Trump that ISIS was defeated was as delusional as he was. Also, the Taliban and IS-IK (Isis in Khurasan)are enemies. Different goals, different religious views, and ISIS thinks the Taliban will buddy up with China which wants Afghanistan's rich minerals.

The faster we leave Afghanistan, the better. We never should have been there in the first place. That blame belongs on Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    If the Taliban (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 26, 2021 at 08:06:26 PM EST
    really wants to crush ISIS, and score points with the world, they certainly have a lot of new toys to do that with after we left a whole wars worth of hardware.

    I sort of expect them to do that.  If I was the Taliban I would reason that all I had to do was crush ISIS and other international threats and no one will care if we let girls go to school.

    The Taliban will care (none / 0) (#5)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 09:08:43 AM EST

    The Taliban will care if girls go to school.

    For the slow on the uptake (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 09:39:38 AM EST
    my point was the Taliban will be able to do pretty much whatever they want internally including preventing girls from going to school with minimal interference from the west as long as they kill ISIS and other international terror threats so they are not our problem.

    Hope that's more clear.


    Funny (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by FlJoe on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 10:36:35 AM EST
    how the Saudi's, who are only slightly less repressive than the Taliban get a pass from a lot of the MIC and MSM crowd singing the "think of the girls" song as reasoning for endless endless war.

    True, (none / 0) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 03:16:15 PM EST
    but they'll be in trouble when the oil runs out.

    Add the other $$$$$ sources (none / 0) (#48)
    by christinep on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 02:53:41 PM EST
    Maneuvering with the Poppy crops; assessing their approach to Rare Earth Elements (REE) ... and figuring out their semi-partners such as Pakistan.

    Whoops ... my note was more focused on the Taliban (none / 0) (#49)
    by christinep on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 02:55:41 PM EST
    You know, Abdul, I was wondering when ... (none / 0) (#98)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 04:54:13 PM EST
    ... you'd show up to own the libs (such as it is) over the fall of Kabul and like clockwork, you didn't disappoint. How ever did I miss your comment last Friday?

    The Taliban (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Aug 28, 2021 at 03:27:02 PM EST
    Doesn't even get along with the Taliban. The Haqqani network is about to splinter off.

    Once a mutual threat has been eliminated, ... (none / 0) (#99)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 04:59:56 PM EST
    ... or in this particular case, has departed in resignation and frustration, the enemy of their enemy has once again become their enemy. Such is the circle of life in Afghanistan, the graveyard of empires.

    The Second Resistance has risen (none / 0) (#169)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 03, 2021 at 08:54:43 AM EST
    Global fundraising

    So Afghanistan has ISIS, the Taliban, and the Second Resistance all likely fighting each other.


    Meh, they can't maintain (none / 0) (#77)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 10:30:00 PM EST
    Any of it without assistance. They don't really have trained pilots. Humvees are actually pretty awful, they require lots and lots of fuel, they are too heavy for many bridges there and they are too wide for typical roads.

    They got guns and ammo, maybe some night vision that will soon likely be useless because of lack of maintainence too.

    Fight season gonna be over soon too. Who knows for certain who wins this game of thrones. It won't be ISIS. The Haqqani network is too powerful.

    A new Northern Alliance also rises, and they have pilots who can fly the aircraft they managed to snag. I think they have some of the commandos that we trained too who chose to stay and fight.


    They defeated (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 06:25:39 AM EST
    every superpower in the world without any of that.  

    Next up: (none / 0) (#82)
    by leap on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 08:57:41 AM EST

    China is said to be worried (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 08:59:08 AM EST
    About the drug trade.  The Taliban is saying positive things but no one believes them.

    You might be right.


    China wants the mineral wealth (none / 0) (#170)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 03, 2021 at 10:39:08 AM EST
    They are big big mad Biden left. How dare he? As long as we were there they were going to bribe the Taliban to steal the mineral wealth while US troops drew fire. They are dealing with fanatics now face to face. Good luck China

    I don't feel defeated (none / 0) (#118)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 03:24:34 PM EST
    The mission was never to hold Afghanistan

    The British (none / 0) (#121)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 04:29:04 PM EST
    and the Russians probably didn't either.

    100,000 Afghans get (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 02:01:15 PM EST
    A better life. It isn't black and white

    Two months ago, we were declaring Brood X (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Peter G on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 08:43:13 AM EST
    of the cicadas a flop -- no biggie. Almost as if they were not going to appear on schedule. Well, about ten days ago, they finally emerged where we live, and man oh man, what a racket, day and night.  Seems to be very disconcerting to our dog, too.

    We even had a few recently (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 09:34:36 AM EST
    I didn't think we were supposed to.  

    don't forget about (none / 0) (#13)
    by leap on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 02:16:34 PM EST
    the MURDER HORNETS out where I live! Cicadas. Eh.

    We have spotted lanternflies (none / 0) (#16)
    by Peter G on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 03:39:09 PM EST
    rather than murder hornets. Disgusting and a threat to the trees, but they don't sting.

    Total Bust so far (none / 0) (#15)
    by jmacWA on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 03:36:48 PM EST
    up in the Lehigh Valley (Allentown area)

    Interesting, since I am only about (none / 0) (#17)
    by Peter G on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 03:39:58 PM EST
    fifty to sixty miles south of you.

    I wish that I had some of your cicadas ... (none / 0) (#40)
    by desertswine on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 12:46:06 PM EST
    to feed to the roadrunners that are hanging out in my backyard.  I'm sure they would love them.  I've been giving them mealworms, but big fat cicadas would be a feast.  How they manage to avoid the neighborhood cats is a mystery to me.

    Based on the sound, it seems like after emerging (none / 0) (#41)
    by Peter G on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 12:58:00 PM EST
    from their underground hibernation, the cicadas are now hiding out in the upper branches of trees.  Catproof.

    So it is a later emergence of X? (none / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 10:38:01 PM EST
    We were in Gettysburg yesterday, having dinner outdoors, and I asked myself how many cicada broods are there?

    They are done in DC until next time, and have mostly composted into the landscape.


    The horrendous (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 09:39:56 AM EST
    twin suicide bombing should underscore and re-enforce the wisdom of President Biden's decision to end our 20-year misadventurism in Afghanistan.  The increased complexities and competition among factions in the country's civil war will only deepen with US presence a target for their anger.

    Moreover, the suicide explosions to impede Americans and allies leaving the country give the lie to those who claim it is less dangerous to stay.  And, for the media who have become part of the story rather than covering it, perhaps the reality of war, losing a war, and retreating from war will become as vivid as the decor in their grand apartments in NYC or.their McMansions in northern Virginia.  

    You would almost think Biden (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 11:41:21 AM EST
    was writing the script.  Hard to imagine how events could better justify his decision to leave.

    He will get credit for ripping off the bandaid.  And I don't think it will take years.  Only for war images to stop making money for the media.  Not long I think, once it's over.

    Even Steven Millers sabotage of the visa program I think may have been good for the end result.  Biden seemed to say fine, I'll just take everyone.

    More than a 100,000 in just a few days is really pretty incredible.

    And while that's happening really really important things are happening in Congress.  If Biden, Schumer and Nancy succeed in what they are trying, with the tiniest of majorities, they are going to deserve some credit.


    For example (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 11:47:10 AM EST
    Just the one tiny part of that 3.5 trillion will give Medicare customers, like me, insurance coverage for hearing, vision and dental.

    Just that.  Is freaking awsum and worth a celebration.


    Transformational (none / 0) (#50)
    by christinep on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 03:08:36 PM EST
    So often potential "change" is described as the greatest-thing-since-sliced-bread ... yet, in the case of the combined effect of the bipartisan infrastructure legislation (aka the traditional bridges, roads, etc. approach) & the larger infrastructure reconciliation bill (aka the community-social structure approach), we may actually see a transformative result insofar as the structure of our operational society is concerned.  

    Yes, almost (none / 0) (#12)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 01:33:56 PM EST
    like writing the script.  The massacre of US military while assisting in the evacuation of Afghans (who were themselves massacred) should re-focus the futility of garrisoning our military in a land in the midst of a civil war with the mission of doing something.  While not sure of what that something is.

    And, should dampen armchair as well as some real  military strategists who assert that leaving is good, but how we left should have been so much better if only they had been listened to---although it was hard to listen to what was a symphony of crickets.  The president of Afghanistan fled with bags of money knowing that money transfers to a Swiss bank account would be detected revealing his duplicitous plans to leave the US holding the bag.

    The suicide bombings should result in a rally around the flag, despite the continued seditionist Republican grandstanding. And, a sigh of relief from real Americans when the US military is no longer placed in harms way, needlessly.


    Nicole Wallace (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 09:13:39 PM EST
    said this is one of those things the DC crowd is going to wail about but the general public is with Biden.  Even Michael Moore is praising Biden

    Yesterday I received my Pfizer booster (5.00 / 5) (#21)
    by fishcamp on Sat Aug 28, 2021 at 10:25:15 AM EST
    at the new Marathon, Fl. City Hall.  The nice lady asked if I was compromised, and I merely said yes.  Don't think they can ask more.  Today I feel slightly achy and a bit weak.  Nothing like after the second vaccination.  Wonder how long the booster vaccination will last?  Now that I'm nine or ten times more resistant to COVID than before, I have no excuse to not go back to the gym.

    Received my (5.00 / 4) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Sat Aug 28, 2021 at 12:48:00 PM EST
    third Moderna vax last week.  No reactions save for a moderately sore arm. Not as uneventful for my spouse who ran a fever for 24 hours and had all the get-up-and-go of a bowl of mashed potatoes, then followed quickly by full recovery.

    Hold off on that return to the gym for at least ten days so as to achieve the increased antibody protection.  The data is not yet in on how long after the booster shot before protection wanes if, in fact, it will.  A novel virus---learning as we go.


    Thanks for that info KeysDan. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by fishcamp on Sat Aug 28, 2021 at 01:24:28 PM EST
    I wish I had a pitcher of Donald's famous margaritas, but alcohol could affect my developing antibodies.  It's strange to be an FDA approved guinea pig.

    I called my doctor and Walmart (none / 0) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 07:58:44 AM EST
    where I got the first 2 and both say they are not available.  How are you getting them?  Do you have, or say you have - I see fishcamp fibbed,  health reasons to get it.

    I ask because I can't do that.  Sometimes it's not great that everyone knows everyone.

    The doctor also said I will have to get it at Walmart.  


    I suspected they were not available here (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 08:06:02 AM EST
    when I read these comments but I waited till this morning when I could call to reply.

    Howdy, I didn't fib. (none / 0) (#62)
    by fishcamp on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 08:16:20 AM EST
    The friends I have left that are my age qualified by age alone.  I do have slightly compromised health too.  They cannot ask you what your health problems are.

    It was not meant as an insult (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 08:57:50 AM EST
    I just had a longer conversation with a local Walmart.  They are, according to her, only available to people who have very serious problems.  Cancer/HIV/chemo and similar.  Age is not a consideration.  At least at Walmart.  

    She said people are probably not always telling the truth and they can't police everyone.  On the other hand, as I said, they know who I am.

    And I'm fine waiting my turn and letting people who need it more go first.  I'm only just now 5. Months out from the first round.

    I had to wait with everyone else because I'm 69 and the cutoff was 70.  So I didn't get it until March.

    I'm glad you got it.  I'm glad Dan got it.  Just trying to understand how it's  working.

    All that said, she also told me I DO NOT have to get the booster there.  I just have to make sure it's Moderna.  So I will wait a respectful period and if I'm still waiting I might drive 20-30 miles to where I'm not known.

    That could also happen.  Now that I understand better the rules.


    We just got a mass email from our doctor's office (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 12:06:17 PM EST
    on this subject, saying at some length the same as your Walmart did. Just being older does not qualify you for a booster, at least until late September (when apparently the CDC will have a new advisory). Apparently going now, unless you are immunocompromised, would be a kind of line-jumping.

    I think there is plenty for everyone (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 12:12:16 PM EST
    at this point.  At least for everyone in America.(sad face)
    I'm ok with line jumping in this case.  My pharmacist said basically everyone's doing it.

    I actually decided to wait.  I have an appt with my regular doctor on Wed.  It's for a really (probably) painful shot in my hip joint.  I'm afraid if I go today I might be feeling bad on Wed and I'm expecting to feel bad enough on Wed.

    Also I can talk to my Dr and ask him if it's to soon.  It will be 6 months Mar 6.  I think.


    I mean (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 12:22:35 PM EST
    September 6th.  Got it in Mar.

    The lady at the vaccination site (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by fishcamp on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 07:47:25 AM EST
    asked me if I was compromised.  There was no mention of immunocompromised.

    Are you? (none / 0) (#88)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 12:26:41 PM EST
    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by fishcamp on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 03:15:58 PM EST
    My partner in FAT CITY FILMS, (none / 0) (#64)
    by fishcamp on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 11:30:57 AM EST
    lives in Santa Monica, is a year older than me, walked into a local CVS, and was given his booster shot.  They said anyone his age qualifies.  It sounds like either they were lax, or your Walmart was very strict.  My thinking is since the vaccines are so new not all locations are using the same criteria.  Even Biden and Fauci have recently announced different timelines for the booster shot.  It's a new frontier.

    I think thats right (none / 0) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 11:39:48 AM EST
    Walmart, where I got the first one, probably follows the rules religiously.  But my Drs office told me the same thing.

    So I imagine if you can get if from a doctor, I can not - around here doctors are not giving shots, its probably up to the doctor.

    Or whoever is in charge of the CVS you walk into.

    I'm sure there are other drug stores, there are many others, I just used Walmart because it was the first shot available to me, who might be less strict.


    I am planning to get it soon (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 11:41:32 AM EST
    Or to try harder to get it.  I'm starting to feel less safe.  And I also want to go back to the gym.

    Deciding on my own when to get the booster (none / 0) (#69)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 12:08:30 PM EST
    rather than following CDC and my doctor's advice, feels to me like the "our side" equivalent of the anti-vaxxers saying they are doing their "own research."

    According to those CDC guidelines, ... (none / 0) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 04:30:09 PM EST
    ... I'm eligible to receive the Moderna vaccine booster on Halloween, October 31. I see no reason to deviate from that recommendation. In any event, I received my original vaccine through the state government at a site here in Hilo, and as a county government employee I will be informed of my booster appointment by the state. Same thing for my spouse and my younger daughter, who are both public school teachers. We were all vaccinated on different days.

    OK (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 11:49:04 AM EST
    I just called my pharmacist.  A drug store around the corner, so to speak.
    She told me they are not being vaccine police.  They will tell you when you are "supposed" to do it.  But you don't have to tell them anything.
    Come and get it.

    So I'm on my way!


    Glad you (none / 0) (#72)
    by KeysDan on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 12:52:46 PM EST
    found a source.  According to the Biden Administration's plans, all adults who received two shots of Moderna or Pfizer vax will be eligible for the third shot  by Sept 20.  The present eligibility criteria are not necessarily age-related. Those immunosuppressed are the primary focus.  

    The etiology of the suppression and how it presents in the patient are not elaborated for eligibility purposes.  Examples are given such undergoing chemotherapy, steroid treatment. As Fish and your pharmacist say, providers are not expected to probe further.

    In my case, we received the third dose in the same manner as the first two---physician who had doses remaining or to be discarded. We were "on call" awaiting such an event.  Got to his office in ten minutes.  

    If it were not for the emergency of pandemic and the need to acquire antibody protection as soon as feasible, the spacing between the first and second dose would probably be longer than the three or four weeks.  So it seems predictable that a third or booster shot may be necessary.  That and the drooling officials and other miscreants working night and day to undermine effective public health.measures such as masks, and, corruptly, discouraging free, safe and effective vaccines.


    My friend, who is younger than moi, (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 04:37:14 PM EST
    got third jab at CVS. No problem. No co-morbidities.

    Honestly, Oc, you sound like some of my clients (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Peter G on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 08:35:31 PM EST
    who have trouble distinguishing between "Is it right?" and "Can I get away with it?"

    I hear you. Am waiting my turn. (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 12:26:05 PM EST
    As usual (none / 0) (#154)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 02:13:02 PM EST
    I am wondering what I can get away with.

    I'd like to know if booster is recommendec (none / 0) (#188)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 06, 2021 at 08:14:41 PM EST
    by FDA and proper dosage.

    I asked both my Dr (none / 0) (#189)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 06, 2021 at 09:07:56 PM EST
    and the person who gave me the shot this question.  She said the dose they had been giving the "eligible" people was exactly the same thing, and the same amount as the first 2.

    I saw a famous covid talker on MSNBC today talking about this.  She was very upset with the confusing messaging from the 3 letter agencies.  They have changed the time it's needed several times.  And she said (paraphrase) "meanwhile smart and connected people are talking to their doctors or their pharmacist and just getting the shot".


    In case it was missed (none / 0) (#191)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 06, 2021 at 09:19:32 PM EST
    I got the booster.  Several days ago.  My Dr said it's absolutely not to early in any way that could be bad.  They might not be able to say fir sure if you "need" it but it absolutely will not hurt.

    I have a very good Dr.


    One other thing (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 06, 2021 at 09:30:31 PM EST
    about the covid talker on MSNBC today.

    She talked about how political the booster decision has become.  There is (justifiable) outrage that we are discussing third shots when so much of the world has not had one.

    I understand this concern, however.

    Every Rx in the country has this vaccine.  And the fact is the vaccine they have is 1) not going to be used by "the world".  and 2) can't apparently be given away.  Even with bribe.

    Just about everyone I know has gotten the booster shot.  Many Rx are doing this.

    I say take my Drs advise.  If you can get one, get one.


    I think (none / 0) (#193)
    by KeysDan on Tue Sep 07, 2021 at 09:46:19 AM EST
    That COVID talker was Laurie Garrett. A week or so ago she was advocating for the third shot, while acknowledging the need for distribution and administration in other countries.  Her position at that time was the third shot in this country should take priority in that such antibody protection here would diminish potential variants worldwide.  

    That position continues to hold merit, I believe.  Also, I thought that last  night she provided more of a political rant than the instructive reporting of the recent past.  I concur with you that the issue is not one of privilege, but one of following the opportunities readily available.  

    The CDC is doing a very good job of providing good public information.  The FDA has been institutionally conservative since the days of Dr. Frances Kelsey and thalidomide, which is a responsible position.  However, it may be a little slower in the face of the pandemic than is necessary.

      Some key positions in vaccination studies have recently left the agency, apparently over,in their view, premature statements by the White House on the third shot. But, new thinking may be needed at this point, including new and permanent FDA leadership. A point well taken in Ms Garrett's reporting/rant--stopped clock and all.


    8 months (none / 0) (#194)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 07, 2021 at 10:46:58 AM EST
    6 months 5 months

    It's really been a mess.  I totally understand the difficulty.  But I'm not easily confused and I have found it confusing.


    Yes, it is confusing. (5.00 / 2) (#195)
    by KeysDan on Tue Sep 07, 2021 at 12:08:52 PM EST
    But, my worry for reporting by "experts" such as Ms.Garrett's is that they add to the confusion rather than attempt to clarify or explain confusion.

    This is emerging science.  New data may change thinking to bring better informed thinking. The recommendations for boosters (actually the third doses of Moderna/Pfizer) distinguish between individual needs and the need for a nationwide policy.

    For example, it may be more difficult for older people to stimulate the immune system. Or the immunosuppressed may produce lower levels of antibodies and a booster may help.  

    Or, a national policy. Weighing the risks and benefits for the population at large.  Topping off antibodies and increasing protection vs. low estimates for downsides (if no severe reaction from two, likelihood of reaction from third is low).

    Another issue, and may impinge on perspectives, and resulting recommendations, is the differences in data obtained. The methodologies may differ, and studies may measure effectiveness differently.

    For example, studies may use high risk or first line patients rather than the general population, giving an apples and oranges comparison if not clarified.  Or distinguishing severity of infection among breakthroughs, rather than monitoring for all infections. Or, how do co-factors such as diabetes play into the data. Policy makers need to have the data sorted out.

    The most common argument against boosters is the "jury is still out"  True, but it is not uncommon for vaccination effectiveness to wane over time. A few give lifetime immunity, some every 10 years or so, but Covid is probably more akin to the flu--requiring boosters.

    And, too, the vaccines are still effective against the original strain of Covid. But, the variants bring new worries. It is a good insurance policy for a public policy to address a pandemic to move to a booster.  The data will change as good data is converted to good information.  Science can be confusing. It seems to me, the exact and best interval for a booster should not be an impediment to a national public health policy.


    I dunno (none / 0) (#196)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 10, 2021 at 03:16:07 PM EST
    Folks are getting them

    jesus! (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 28, 2021 at 12:53:17 PM EST
    Pastor Fired for Promoting Vaccines

    August 28, 2021 at 1:19 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 82 Comments

    Pastor Daniel Darling, the spokesman for a major evangelical nonprofit, was fired for promoting vaccines on the "Morning Joe" cable news show, Religion News Service reports.

    *Darling was told he could sign a statement admitting he had been insubordinate, and admit that his pro-vaccine statements were wrong, or be fired.*

    Clearly a (none / 0) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Sat Aug 28, 2021 at 01:39:23 PM EST
    firing-offense.  The Evangelicals said to Pastor Darling:  no darlin, Jesus would not approve of your statement---that faith motivated him to get the vaccine.  " I believe in this vaccine because I don't want to see anyone else die of COVID."   " Our family has lost too many close friends and relatives to COVID, including an uncle, a beloved church member and our piano teacher."

    Ending on a sad note.  If only he just hawked cow dewormer, he would have been still preaching away.


    We are The Know Nothings (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 28, 2021 at 02:01:44 PM EST
    and we are burdened with glorious purpose.

    Check out the giant shadow (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 28, 2021 at 04:25:14 PM EST
    that freaked my dogs out last night.

    when we were sitting in the dark watching tv

    It's a spider crawling around in front of one of my solar deck lights.  It really was pretty creepy.  

    The floor looks really dirty

    but it's not.  It was just dark.

    "Show me the science that masks work," (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by desertswine on Sat Aug 28, 2021 at 11:51:28 PM EST
    Caleb Wallace, a Texas man who helped organize the "Freedom Rally" and other prominent protests against pandemic restrictions, has died from COVID-19. He was 30.

    Jessica told the Standard-Times that her husband initially refused to be tested for COVID and instead turned to unproven home remedies to fight the virus, including high doses of Vitamin C, zinc, aspirin and Ivermectin -- a parasitic worm treatment intended for animals that is not FDA-approved.

    Caleb Wallace had been a vocal opponent to pandemic restrictions and mandates, appearing in interviews criticizing school closures and mask policies as well as organizing a July 4 "Freedom Rally" last year to protest government restrictions. He also founded "The San Angelo Freedom Defenders," a group that hosted a separate rally last year to "end COVID tyranny."

    I'm seeing more and more stories like this of staunch anti-maskers going down in stubborn flames.  This is kind of denialism that I'm simply unable to understand.

    Philadelphia center city rally and parade Sunday (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Peter G on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 06:30:13 PM EST
    to promote vaccines. Free ice cream, live music, free shots (not of alcohol). What a difference in regional attitudes.

    One of the possible positive effects (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 06:54:16 PM EST
    of full approval is that they will be able to advertise.

    I was just thinking about that while watching a string of prescription drug commercials.

    God knows if there is one thing the pharmaceutical industry is good at it's marketing.


    And (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 06:44:41 AM EST
    I have become unable to feel anything for these people.  If I'm brutally honest, part of me is simply glad they are dead.
    There, I said it.  The world is better off without them IMO.  Period.  

    I read this yesterday

    A Florida woman who was hospitalized with COVID-19 returned home to find her husband dead of the disease

    Both were unvaccinated.  She said this about that -

    "Both of us thought that [the vaccine] came out so fast. How could they have done so much testing on it? I was just cautious about it," she told the outlet. "It's not that I was against vaccines."

    I mean, I'm not against vaccines.  Because even I know THAT would be stupid.  

    Seriously.  A normal person has a hard time imagining what kind of world these people live in.  How could they not know about the science behind the new vaccines.  That it is groundbreaking and revolutionary.  I suppose they don't know this because they refuse to use any real news source.  A stupid act that make them even more stupid.

     When I read this

    But when she returned home the following day, she couldn't find her husband. Eventually, she found him lying in their bed. She told the Post that it looked like her dogs had not been fed in days, and said her husband had already begun to decompose.

    I had one thought.  I hope the f'ing dogs ate him.


    It is (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 08:01:53 AM EST
    very depressing that conservatives literally not only never had much humanity but they are succeeding in destroying the humanity of everybody else with their selfishness.

    Sorry (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 08:18:48 AM EST
    But I challenge the premise my humanity is "destroyed" because I'm not sorry for people who kill themselves with their own stupidity and in the process endanger everyone else

    My humanity is just fine.  Thanks.


    I mean (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 07:13:30 AM EST
    why should dogs suffer and go hungry because they live with idiots.  
    Also I'm very aware it could be my fate.  And I'm fine with that.

    Obvious Question (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 09:00:54 PM EST
    I would like to know when the media first became aware that the planning for the 2003 military incursion into Afghanistan did not include a military goal, that once met, would trigger the previously organized withdrawal of our forces.

    Shouldn't this important datum have been included in every article about Afghanistan for the last 18 years?

    I am ready to accept (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 10:42:08 PM EST
    Our new Americans.

    Not much went right, but that will always be right.

    Here's some New Americans.. (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by desertswine on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 11:42:55 AM EST
     Afghan refugees arrive at Dulles International Airport on August 27 in Virginia, after being evacuated from Kabul following the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan.  Kids are the future.

    President Biden (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 04:19:08 PM EST
    announced to the nation and world the end of the war in Afghanistan.  Begun as a counter-terrorism response to the attack on 9/11, it regressed over time to counter-insurgency and creation of a nation out of tribes.   All at the cost of American, Afghan and other lives as well as at great cost to the Treasury.  And, it has, for some, become a boondoggle. A boondoggle hard to give up.  

    The president was brutally candid in broaching these factors, a tough line to hew given the sacrifices given by so many who served.  Mr. Biden was courageous in his decision and sticking to it in the face of suspect criticism.  

    The evacuation was difficult and deadly. But starting war is easier than ending one. There was a reason that Trump left that part until after the election.  The Administration has been faced with the corrupt Afghan officials and now the hapless media.

    President Biden underscored that tactics and strategies for national security need to be different for times changing and contemplated.  The tone of his speech revealed a man who hates war.  The tension in his address was.between criticizing past folly and inadvertently disrespecting those who followed the call of its leaders. Bottom line: this two decade long misadventure is over.

    There was something else left in Afghanistan. (5.00 / 4) (#96)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 04:46:11 PM EST
    And that would be my respect for America's east coast-centric mainstream media, who really need to stop calling President Biden's public statements on the matter "defiant."

    Biden spoke a harsh, brutal and necessary truth about Afghanistan, one that Americans really needed to hear even if a number of them don't like hearing it. And harsh truth be told, it was our own complacency as a people on the matter of the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan that allowed the conflict to fester and percolate without solution or resolution.

    So, if anyone is being defiant here, that would be the same east coast media and their chums in the Beltway political establishment, who are still refusing to acknowledge their own mistakes and errors in judgment over the past 20 years, even at this late date.



    Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 06:30:15 PM EST
    Much of the media was expecting an "immaculate.exit", based on a grand victory, with an effective and stable Afghan government, and a motivated Afghan army providing security for withdrawal of Americans and all the friends and sources cultivated over 20 years.   The will miss their gigs, too.

    "I'm so proud ... (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 05:11:00 PM EST
    ... of President Biden.  Who I did not vote for in the Michigan primary"

    --Michael Moore.  Just now.


    300 million dollars a day (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 05:16:24 PM EST
    Who was it who said, "War Is a Racket"? (none / 0) (#104)
    by Peter G on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 07:44:29 PM EST
    Oh, yeah. A retired Marine Corps major general, Medal of Honor winner, and later chief of police of Philadelphia. In 1935.

    It's kind of hard (none / 0) (#106)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 07:48:17 PM EST
    to get your head around trillion dollar numbers.  I thought it was interesting that 300 million a day for 20 years is less than 2/3s of the infrastructure reconciliation bill.  

    Which I think is supposed to be spent over 10 years.


    When you've (none / 0) (#105)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 07:47:18 PM EST
    lost Ann Coulter,.....
    "Trump REPEATEDLY demanded that we bring our soldiers home, but only Biden had the balls to do it."

    The Presidential Commission (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 03:18:10 PM EST
    on the Supreme Court, set up by President Biden needs to get on its horse. Supreme Court reforms such as expansion of numbers, case selection, and rules need to be presented with dispatch.  The Supreme Court inaction on the Texas law that makes abortion unlawful after six weeks (a time period in which most women are unsure of pregnancy) is, essentially, a stealth overturn of Roe v Wade.

    By letting the Texas bill go into effect, the Supreme Court blithely discards a 40-year precedent, and, also, permits legal enforcement of the Texas law by random citizens. A Stasi- like citizen turning in another citizen.  Dependents, even if they win a case, can't recover legal fees.

    Implementing substantive reforms will be difficult bumping into the filibuster, and Democratic senators such as Manchin. But, the public consideration of reforms may have, hopefully, a chilling effect on some of the right wing justices and curb their hubris.  Also, stir up the Democratic electorate who have been lulled into thinking justices like Alito and the Handmaiden have gone all moderate.

    I am still expecting a ruling from the Court (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 04:11:28 PM EST
    on the emergency application by Friday at the latest. The Texas law is such a direct, "aren't-I-tricky" affront to the Court's authority and the role of the federal courts in protecting civil rights, that I cannot rule out a favorable decision, perhaps with various wacky dissents. In fact, the lack of decision could be a delaying tactic by the most reactionary justice demanding time to write dissents.

    I hope you are (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 04:49:54 PM EST
    right. This stuff needs to be ended forever. Perhaps making the GOP pay at the polls will do it or maybe not. They seem to lose and not get the message.

    Hope that is (none / 0) (#125)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 05:11:30 PM EST
    what is going on.  Chief Justice Roberts, while very conservative, is also very smart. The inaction, so far by the Court,is unlike the way the Chief Justice seems to work (an exception being his rulings on voting rights).

    A slippery tactic such as this puts the Court at risk of clamors for reforms. Surely a dreaded prospect. Unless, of course, the right wing justices feel inured to threats of change. Or, this is a part of a more complicated strategy.

    I hope, too, that the absence of a decision is not a delay granted to the three liberal justices who demanded time to write their dissents.


    Just trying as long as possible to avoid (5.00 / 5) (#127)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 07:31:00 PM EST
    falling into total despair about how f*d we are.

    ok. then (none / 0) (#141)
    by Peter G on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 08:51:43 AM EST

    What (none / 0) (#130)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 06:24:07 AM EST
    I don't understand is the "tricky" part
    What makes the Texas law different is its unusual enforcement scheme. Rather than have officials responsible for enforcing the law, private citizens are authorized to sue abortion providers and anyone involved in facilitating abortions.
    Who, with the possible exception of the potential father, would have standing to sue?

    Absolutely everyone (none / 0) (#132)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 06:37:07 AM EST
    and anyone.  As I understand it.

    "Standing to sue" can be conferred (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Peter G on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 08:58:58 AM EST
    by statute (as the Texas Legislature did here) unless the state Constitution requires a personal stake in the particular case, as the "cases and controversies" clause of Article III of the federal Constitution requires for federal lawsuits, according to longstanding Supreme Court interpretation. I have no idea whether there is a basis to argue (in state court) that the Texas state constitution should be read to prevent the Legislature from granted stake-less standing, as in this law. I certainly hope so.

    I read this evening on the respected (none / 0) (#167)
    by Peter G on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 10:01:04 PM EST
    Libertarian law professor blog, "Volokh Conspiracy," that Texas state constitutional law does have a "standing" doctrine very much like the federal, and that under that doctrine -- if honestly applied -- any suit under SB8 would have to be summarily dismissed. (I do not agree with everything written by Prof. Somin in his post, nor with many of the comments. But this particular comment I found important.)

    The Professor (none / 0) (#171)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 03, 2021 at 11:09:04 AM EST
    was not very clear on his interpretation and application of the. Texas state constitution's "standing"   to SB 8. If the bounty hunter cases may be summarily dismissed for lack of "standing", essentially, overriding the "rando" provision of SB, it would be game over.  But, then I am probably not a good student.

    Yes, I can understand your lack of agreement on some other parts of the professor's post. His apparent equating of zoning or building code enforcement with the Stasi-like anti-community bounty-hunting of the Texas law is peaked my attention. That and George Mason University Antonin Scalia Law School.


    Buzzfeed (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 07:05:47 AM EST
    WASHINGTON -- Texas's new 6-week abortion ban provides a lucrative and risk-free financial incentive for any private citizen to haul doctors, abortion rights advocates, and anyone else suspected of helping people get access to abortion into court.

    SB 8, which went into effect Wednesday after the US Supreme Court did not take action to stop it, outsources enforcement of what's now the most restrictive abortion law in the country. The 6-week ban can't be enforced by government actors, only through civil lawsuits brought by private individuals. It shields people who bring these cases from being hit with legal costs even if they lose. Defendants, on the other hand, must pay the legal bills of the people suing them if they lose, in addition to a penalty of at least $10,000 per abortion performed.

    And, if (none / 0) (#143)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 09:42:41 AM EST
    you chose not to defend yourself, just ignore it, you lose as well.

    Well, you got it. (none / 0) (#131)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 06:25:46 AM EST
    Looks like the (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 12:02:08 PM EST
    Supreme Court may have hoped to get away with SILENCE in Whole Woman's Health V Jackson, but felt the pressure to do something.

    In the dissent of Sotomayor (four dissents: Roberts, joined by Kagan and Breyer, and separate but joined by other dissenters except Roberts, by Sotomayor, Breyer, and Kagan), Sotomayor starts with: "The Court's order is stunning."

    .... And continues: "Last night the Court silently acquiesced in a State's enactment of a law that flouts nearly 50-years of federal precedents. Today, the Court belatedly explains that it declined to grant relief because of procedural complexities of its own making." Justice Sotomayor refers to the Texas enforcement scheme as "bounty hunters."

    Justice Breyer writes "Texas law delegates to private individuals the power to prevent a woman from obtaining an abortion during the first stage of pregnancy. But a woman has a federal Constitutional right to obtain an abortion during that first stage."... And, a State cannot delegate...a veto power over the right to obtain an abortion which the state itself is absolutely and totally prohibited from exercising during the first trimester."

    Justice Kagan was pretty unhappy about it all, as if she saw the majority rechristened as a mix of MAGAs, splinter Protestantism and wacko Catholicism, no longer committed to the principles of the appellate process.  She attacked the over-use of the "shadow docket."  And by giving Texas the greenlight, the Court rewards Texas's scheme to insulate its law from judicial review by deputizing private parties to carry out unconstitutional restrictions on the State's behalf.

    This is great (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 04, 2021 at 03:00:01 PM EST
    Satanists save abortion rights in TX

    The "nontheistic" organization, which is headquartered in Salem, Massachusetts, joined the legal fray this week by sending a letter to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration demanding access to abortion pills for its members. The group has established an "abortion ritual," and is attempting to use the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (which was created to allow Native Americans access to peyote for religious rituals) to argue that its members should be allowed access to abortion drugs like Misoprostol and Mifepristone for religious purposes.

    Kyrsten and Joe wanted attention (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 29, 2021 at 07:22:09 PM EST
    Be careful what you wish for

    I am proud of the House Progressive Caucus.  

    Haven't said that too many times.

    Yes, AOC, (5.00 / 2) (#200)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 30, 2021 at 11:37:59 AM EST
    in an interview by Rachel Maddox, was impressive in her thoughtful analysis and discussion of the two infrastructure bills and their navigation through the legislative process. She demonstrated considerable gravitas and growth as a legislator.

    This is like watching a Trump speech (1.67 / 3) (#92)
    by coast on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 02:24:28 PM EST
    The number of falsehoods are astounding.

    Need Afghanistan Book Recommendation (none / 0) (#1)
    by RickyJim on Thu Aug 26, 2021 at 07:35:29 PM EST
    I would like the details of how the search for bin Laden morphed into a 20 year nation building fiasco.  Thanks in advance.

    Probably the most informative book ... (none / 0) (#18)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 07:13:42 PM EST
    ... I've read on the subject remains Seth Jones' "In the Graveyard of Empires: America's War in Afghanistan." first released in 2009, it encapsulates and chronicles the mission myopia that perennially afflicted the U.S. effort in that country. It's a good place to start.

    Thanks for the Recommendation (none / 0) (#32)
    by RickyJim on Sat Aug 28, 2021 at 06:13:02 PM EST
    I now have both Jones' book and Carter Malkasian's recent "The American War in Afghanistan, a History" on my phone to read.

    Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 26, 2021 at 08:02:41 PM EST

    and more recently Mike Pompeo

    Pompeo Takes His Own Arrows Over Afghanistan

    August 26, 2021 at 7:00 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 123 Comments

    "Few GOP officials have been more intimately involved with U.S.-Afghan relations than Mike Pompeo, who as Secretary of State helped lead negotiations with the Taliban to lead to an end of the 20-year-old war," Politico reports.

    "With that ending now mired in chaos, Pompeo has rushed to the airwaves to defend his work and differentiate it from the job that the Biden team is doing. Republican strategists say it's no coincidence. Pompeo, they posit, recognizes that his own electoral fate could be directly impacted by how the public perceives the current situation in Kabul."

    Sirhan Sirhan has been granted parole.. (none / 0) (#20)
    by desertswine on Fri Aug 27, 2021 at 10:53:04 PM EST
    Sirhan smiled, thanked the board and gave a thumbs-up after the decision to grant parole was announced. It was a major victory in his 16th attempt at parole. But it does not assure his release.

    The ruling will be reviewed over the next 90 days by the board's staff. Then it will be sent to the governor, who will have 30 days to decide whether to grant it, reverse it or modify it. If Sirhan is freed, he must live in a transitional home for six months, enroll in an alcohol abuse program and get therapy.


    No, not quite "granted" parole. Just (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Peter G on Sat Aug 28, 2021 at 10:42:11 AM EST
    a recommendation from the parole hearing panel to the Parole Board to grant, which can take up to 90 days and which they may or may not do.  And even then, in California (due to some stupid referendum, probably) no parole grant by the Board in a murder case is effective until expressly approved by the Governor. So there are still two significant potential obstacles to be overcome. And then (as I know from recent experience with a college friend who was just released on parole from a California prison after serving 40 years for murder) there is a long period of half-way-house-type "transitional housing" before what any normal person would think of as "release."
       I do love that the county sheriff's office took it upon themselves to submit a letter in opposition, claiming to speak for the "victim's family." And then part of the Kennedy family (some of RFK's kids and grandkids) wrote in to say, No, the sheriff does not speak for us, we are not all in agreement about this, and several of us are not opposed at this time, after 50+ years.

    The timeframe (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by KeysDan on Sat Aug 28, 2021 at 12:24:09 PM EST
    Includes the California recall election of Governor Gavin Newsom, September 14.  Newsom is likely, I believe, to approve the parole but does not have to act until after the recall election.  And, may not do so.  

    If the drooling right wing radio host, Larry Elders, becomes Governor as a result of the weird recall process, the prospects for approval would not look so good. But, then if Elders becomes Governor through recall, that may be the least of injustices for the state and nation.


    ... I would be not at all surprised to see the Democratic-dominant California State Legislature quickly return to Sacramento and reconvene itself in special session, for the sole purpose of impeaching and removing that unhinged crackpot from public office.

    Such a move would have the immediate effect of replacing Elder with Democratic Lt. Gov. Eleni Kounalakis for the remaining year-long balance of Gov. Newsom's term.

    Simply put, the legislature's Republican caucuses do not possess anywhere near the numbers in either chamber that are sufficient -- 19 of 80 seats in the State Assembly, 9 of 40 in the State Senate -- to sustain their party's political power play here.

    And were Newsom's recall from office to somehow come to fruition on Sept. 14, it will be by a very close margin, which will likely provoke an immediate, corresponding and overwhelmingly hostile political response from California Democrats that the State GOP will rue for at least a generation or more.



    ... breathless pronouncements of Gavin Newsom's pending political demise. A newly released statewide poll conducted by the Public Policy Institute of California, which is a highly respected institution, shows a clear and very decisive majority of California voters are opposing the GOP's effort to recall Gov. Newsom by a 58-39% margin.

    Nate Silver's organization FiveThirtyEight have been running a rolling average of recall polling, which recently offered political pundits reason to think that Newsom might be in trouble. But apparently, its perceived narrow margin was due to a single outlier poll, which skewed Silver's data to the right. But from the looks of things, the election's not close. Newsom will likely not only survive the recall, but perhaps even win it by a landslide.



    As it so happens, (none / 0) (#52)
    by Zorba on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 04:57:22 PM EST
    Two of RFK's kids (including Robert Jr.) were in favor of granting Sirhan parole.  But six kids were opposed.

    I am not unconflicted here (none / 0) (#76)
    by MKS on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 09:41:27 PM EST
    No death penalty is a good thing....

    But beyond that, I do wonder.....


    Sirhan Sirhan (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 10:04:48 AM EST
    Is a citizen of Jordan.  He never became an American citizen.
    Since he is a convicted felon, as a non-citizen, will they deport him to Jordan, I wonder?  "Here, he's your problem."
    I do not approve of the death penalty.  I don't even like life in prison, although I do realize that there are some people so potentially dangerous, we don't want them out in public. In our neighborhoods.  Around our loved ones.
    Having said that, the state of our prisons is appalling, and that must change.  I would like to see our prisons adopt more of a Swedish model.  More humane.  Decent food.  Educational opportunities.  Jobs, yes, but decent pay that they can use to buy things in the commissary, and save for when they do get released.
    And we must do something to try and eliminate prison rape.  That may be impossible, but we need to try.  I also wish people would stop making disgusting jokes about it.  It's not funny, and rape should not be part of anyone's punishment, ever.
    Okay, rant over.

    Two important issues you raise (5.00 / 3) (#86)
    by Peter G on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 12:17:58 PM EST
    First, when a non-citizen whose crime makes them deportable is paroled from a prison sentence, they do not "go free" at all. They are paroled to the custody of ICE pursuant to a detainer. (A "detainer" is an official request by Authority B directed to Authority A to hold someone to answer to B's claim of entitlement to custody, upon the conclusion of A's proceedings.) The detainer is either for expedited removal (because no hearing is required under some provision of immigration law, or because a hearing has already been held and the person was ordered removed -- formerly called "deported" -- from the U.S.) or for a hearing on whether the person should be removed, if that has not already been determined. Only if Jordan refuses to acknowledge Sirhan's citizenship or otherwise disregards its international law obligation to take him back would the issue arise as to how long ICE could detain him.  Or perhaps he might have a claim for asylum or for protection from torture. If so, I guess it is possible he could then be "paroled" into the U.S.
       Second, Congress addressed the issue of prison rape with some success (far from perfect, of course) in the 2003 Prison Rape Elimination Act. Here's how the DOJ tries to enforce it. There is an excellent non-profit dedicated to this issue, called Just Detention International, which you could consider supporting, if you are interested.

    Thanks, Peter (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 12:27:09 PM EST
    I will look into JDI.  Sounds like an organization I could well support.

    My favorite prison reform/prisoner support groups (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Peter G on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 02:02:32 PM EST
    The Efficiency of Suicide Bombers (none / 0) (#33)
    by RickyJim on Sat Aug 28, 2021 at 06:53:16 PM EST
    In her recent New Yorker article, Robin Wright points out that a 22,000 lb. "Mother of all bombs" killed less than 100 ISIS-K fighters in 2017 when the US dropped it on a complex of caves in eastern Afghanistan. In contrast, a single suicide bomber from ISIS-K killed 13 Americans and at least 170 Afghans on Thursday at the perimeter of the Kabul airport.  

    Bernier is the 4th right-wing radio host... (none / 0) (#39)
    by desertswine on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 12:40:44 PM EST
    to die of Covid this month.

    Marc Bernier, a right-wing Florida radio host opposed to vaccinations, has died of Covid-19 after a three week hospital stay.

    Phil Valentine died a week ago; right wing radio host in Nashville.

    Jimmy DeYoung, whose Christian radio show "Prophecy Today" was carried by 1500 stations worldwide, died of Covid August 15.

    Dick Farrell, also of Florida, who called Dr. Anthony Fauci a "lying freak" and said Covid vaccines are "poisonous" died August 6.

    The sad thing is, they don't go down alone.  They take down others who are gullible enough to believe their bullsh!t.

    I don't think "gullibility" (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 12:58:18 PM EST
    is really much of a factor at this point.  Seriously, do you?  These people don't have to listen.  They do it because it's what they want to hear.  Can you honestly say, in the world we live in, good true information is not available to these people?

    They listen because to have their biases confirmed.

    Don't blame the broadcasters.  If there was not a market they would not exist.

    I really think we have to start putting the blame on people for their own actions.

    We have to stop treating these idiots like Rosa Parks and start treating them like Typhoid Mary.


    Is anybody (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 01:54:21 PM EST
    outside a few in the press treating these people like Rosa Parks? Yes, not Typhoid Mary but still not seeing Rosa Parks either outside of wingnut welfare sites.

    You have heard no (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 02:05:12 PM EST
    discussion of their rights?  About how their rights are being violated because vaccine?

    That's what I mean.  Way to much discussion about their rights.



    Yeah (none / 0) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 06:20:11 PM EST
    but the whole "it's my rights thing" seems to be kind of looked at outside of the right wing bubble as a freak show. There are not many people carrying water for that group that I have seen.

    That being said today a friend of mine was imploring people to get vaccinated. Now this is someone that voted for Trump. So she had to qualify the post with "it's your choice" and even with that people were having a meltdown. It's truly a cult where they would rather die than live in a multicultural America where they don't get special privileges because of skin color.


    It's really been hitting home (none / 0) (#45)
    by jondee on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 02:23:25 PM EST
    with me lately that 'we' are essentially no smarter or saner than people were in the late-Pleistocene Epoch. And with much less excuse.

    People are just taking all the enlightening information that we today are privileged to have and putting in the service of their addled reptilian-mammalian brains - with the end result being loony tunes conspiracy theory upon conspiracy theory, wild-eyed apocalyptic religious delusions, tribalism run amok, paranoia etc etc

    Kenneth Copeland's "Covid 19, git on outa' here! Blooowwww the Wind of God!" Could've been performed in cave in 10,000 BCE


    And I don't really agree (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 02:32:31 PM EST
    I think "we" have evolved.  In tiny ways. It's an eternal struggle.  Enlightenment and whatever the opposite is.  They have always been here and always will be.  

    If enlightenment seems like an over statement take a step back from what we are living through.  I'm just saying.


    Speaking of the eternal struggle, ... (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 07:46:29 PM EST
    ... get a load of this crackpot in Santa Monica. That happened about an hour ago. This "Owning the libs" stuff seems like an awful lot of work. All these hysterical threats of violence and civil war - and over a mask mandate! I mean, my patience was quickly exhausted just listening to him for a little over a minute.

    I know, (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by desertswine on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 07:55:00 PM EST
    sometimes it seems like we're just chimps, with hats.

    I've often thought (none / 0) (#90)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 12:30:26 PM EST
    That in many ways, we are still hairless plains apes.

    We are, Mme. Zorba. (none / 0) (#97)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 04:49:11 PM EST
    But for some people, that's only because they get their bodies waxed regularly at a local salon.

    Who's job is it to change that (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 02:28:44 PM EST
    if not yours and mine.

    Speaking as someone in public service ... (5.00 / 4) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Aug 29, 2021 at 04:37:08 PM EST
    ... whose job it's been since May 2020 to help conceive, adapt and lead my county's COVID response effort on behalf of the mayor's office, I'm sorry to have to agree with you.

    We have done everything we can to protect people on Hawaii island, and I've personally organized and led weekend vaccination drives in remote villages like Pahala, Honokaa and Hawi. Sad to say, much of the anti-vaccine opposition and misinformation appears centered within the evangelical Christianist community, which is substantial over here and where most of the COVID clusters are found. We held the line and kept numbers down for 15 months, and then last month the line just snapped.

    I really don't know what more we could have done to reach out to people, beyond what we're already doing and will continue to do. I'm reluctantly resigned to let nature take its course with the anti-vaxxers at this point, knowing that we're likely to have a very turbulent autumn ahead of us. They thumb their noses at science, willfully oblivious to their own peril.

    This latest and most brutal of COVID waves didn't have to happen. It was inflicted upon us out of pure political malice and spite by the right-wing. And it's okay to be angry at the self-absorbed knuckleheads who are responsible for it, even as we bury some of them and lament the pain they've caused their loved ones with their passing.



    Public health people (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 08:03:37 AM EST
    have done a good job, after Trump, getting information out.  

    Thanks to all of them.  And in spite of some confusing messaging I don't think anyone can say the needed information, about safety and effectiveness, has not been available to every single person in this country.

    The death cult, that's what it is, has no excuse but ignorance.   General ignorance not ignorance of specific information.  It's everywhere.  


    Kudos (none / 0) (#74)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 30, 2021 at 04:39:08 PM EST
    Such a beautiful animal (none / 0) (#103)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 07:40:39 PM EST
    People that want pet (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 07:56:06 PM EST
    chimps and cougars and tigers and cobras etc..another variation of the neverending saga of American crazy.

    All I can think of is that goof with the private zoo in Ohio, Terry Thompson.


    Kudos to Turpentine Creek Wildlife Refuge... (none / 0) (#108)
    by desertswine on Tue Aug 31, 2021 at 11:16:43 PM EST
    for accepting this beautiful animal.  

    Turpentine Creek is a non-profit organization that provides lifetime refuge for abandoned, abused, and neglected "big cats". Our goal is to provide a lifetime sanctuary for all rescued animals with the care, safety, and well being of the animals as the number one priority. All animals are treated with the dignity and compassion they deserve. Our Eureka Springs, Arkansas, refuge houses nearly 100 animals including tigers, lions, leopards, cougars, bobcats, bears, ligers, servals, a coatimundi, and a macaw.

    Yes (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 07:13:20 AM EST
    I did not mention them in my comment but yes.  It's a very good thing they do.  

    Beautiful and potentially deadly. (none / 0) (#116)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 01:50:57 PM EST
    Very pretty (none / 0) (#119)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 03:26:45 PM EST
    But on the verge of identifying me as lunch.

    Im listening to the story (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 07:31:35 AM EST
    being reported a lot about how it was the Taliban who stopped the second bombing.  As the story was told on MJoe, on the bus was a man and his 6 daughters.  They were taken off the bus and told to flee.  They hid in a ditch until they were told it was safe to come out.

    Unfortunately, the story goes, they didn't make it out of Afghanistan and still remain there.

    A couple of questions I have.

    What the F was a guy doing in Afghanistan with his 6 daughters.  Period.  But further why did they wait until the last possible minute to leave.  

    NBC (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 07:37:57 AM EST
    WASHINGTON -- Less than 24 hours before the U.S. completed its withdrawal from Afghanistan, the Taliban stopped a bus headed for the Kabul airport and forced all the passengers off, saying the bus might be rigged with explosives and that it had two possible suicide attackers on board, according to the account of a U.S. citizen who was on the bus.

    The U.S. citizen, whose name NBC News is withholding for security reasons, was on the bus with his six daughters Sunday when Taliban fighters stopped it at the Panjsher Pumping Station just outside the airport, two people familiar with the account said. The Taliban told everyone to get off.

    The U.S. citizen and his daughters hid in a nearby drainage ditch until the Taliban gave them the all-clear.



    Rethinking (none / 0) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 08:36:47 AM EST
    the whole "die to own the libs" thing?

    I guess that's a good news/bad news.

    Vaccination Rates Rose In August As COVID Cases Surged Due To The Delta Variant

    The pro-COVID Party (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 10:33:38 AM EST
    The die to own the libs and, critically, to stop President Biden from succeeding in his efforts to end the COVID pandemic are still the modus operandi  of these execrable Republicans. Not only DeSantis and Abbott are still at it, but others are giving them competition---Noem is welcoming the Sturgis biker rally and Ducey created grants to school districts and families that rejected masks mandates.

    And, then there is the snake oil and other nostrum acquiescence if not advocacy. And, Fox people and others of that ilk denigrating the value of the vax.

    Vaccination rates do appear to be on the rise, but not for a lack of the old GOP try.  The mandates, vaccinations as condition for employment and other situations are, I believe, what are getting us off the vaccination plateau. This has to continue full speed ahead.


    I spoke with my Drs office this morning (none / 0) (#114)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 11:08:03 AM EST
    She said it is absolutely not to early to get a booster.  If you can get one, get one.  I just got one.

    Also I just had a major strange experience that could have involved possible exposure. It is tragic, poignant, and hard to believe.    The nurse said, after hearing the whole thing, I almost certainly had nothing to worry about. Her comment about the booster was before this.   But it was extra motivation to get the booster.

    It's too long to tell on a tablet.  Maybe later.


    Glad to learn (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 01:17:01 PM EST
    of your third (booster) vax. My first vaccination was on Dec 31,2020 (yes, New Year's Eve)taking advantage of physician's offer for a dose that would have needed to be discarded if unused. So, I was ready for the third dose (the second Jan 28, 2021).

    Hope your reaction will be mild or non-existent. But, even if not so, the reaction will soon subside and you will have the added protection within about ten days.

    As to doses that are "wasted", as such headlines are read, it should be clarified that there are several explanations, firstly, such "wasted doses" are generally self-reported and may include arrival of a cracked vial, errors made in diluting, freezer malfunctions, and fewer doses in the vial than should be. And, of course, more doses in the vial that has been thawed and prepared than people who want them at the time.  The thawed vaccines can't be re-frozen.(i.e., Moderna and Pfizer).

    The public health policy, which is a good one in a pandemic, is for vaccination on demand. Which means having vaccines ready for the shot in the arm. But does not mean that efficiencies are not achieved and good use made of the prepared vaccine for guys like me.


    How has owning those libs worked out? (5.00 / 3) (#180)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 04, 2021 at 04:38:24 PM EST
    Here's a tale of two states, one red and one blue:

    Population: 1,455,571
    COVID cases: 65,890
    COVID deaths: 613
    Pct. of eligible residents vaccinated: 74.7%

    Population: 882,235
    COVID cases: 133,855
    COVID deaths: 2,072
    Pct. of eligible residents vaccinated:46.1%

    But hey, Gov. Kristi Noem (R-QAnon), you keep doing you.


    The Taliban have new friends (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 05:01:19 PM EST

    Some people are commending the Taliban's takeover as "a lesson in love for the homeland, for freedom, and for religion," SITE said in its weekly bulletin on far-right extremists.
    Neo-Nazi and violent accelerationists -- who hope to provoke what they see as an inevitable race war, which would lead to a Whites-only state -- in North America and Europe are praising the Taliban for its anti-Semitism, homophobia, and severe restrictions on women's freedom, SITE found.

    For example, a quote taken from the Proud Boy to Fascist Pipeline Telegram channel, said: "These farmers and minimally trained men fought to take back their nation back from globohomo. They took back their government, installed their national religion as law, and executed dissenters ... If white men in the west had the same courage as the Taliban, we would not be ruled by Jews currently," SITE found

    I'm particularly fond of the term "globohomo".


    Well the Texastan Taliban (none / 0) (#129)
    by desertswine on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 10:23:56 PM EST
    have certainly taken a giant leap back to the medieval.

    I believe the Texas Taliban (none / 0) (#133)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 06:45:17 AM EST
    Laid the ground work for Texas to go blue.  

    You (none / 0) (#134)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 07:01:04 AM EST
    are assuming free and fair elections in the future, and even then you are assuming a Democratic victory will not be voided by the Republican legislature.

    I am assuming only (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 07:08:26 AM EST
    that a substantial majority is opposed to this.    Which is actually not an assumption.

    We, Democrats, need people to be motivated to defeat this and others.  This is a helluva motivator.


    Ron Filipkowski (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 02:03:58 PM EST
    said that GOP operatives who care about winning elections are downing antacid and that this likely cost the GOP a lot of votes. Enough to swing a lot of close house seats away from the GOP like the ones that were barely won in 2020.

    Murphy never was going to lose in NJ, Newsome can probably count on his voters turning out and now Terry MacAuliffe can start measuring the drapes. The GOP was putting a lot into VA hoping to flip the state in order to start "the narrative for 2022". They can kiss all that goodbye. And this is not going to be "fixed" by 2022 and likely the Federalist Society Judges are going to make things worse.


    I also think (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 07:11:31 AM EST
    this is going to give a major kick start to the subject of court expansion.  And other reforms.

    TruthOut (none / 0) (#138)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 07:14:39 AM EST
    And even more so (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 07:17:05 AM EST
    Voting Rights just got a booster shot.

    One more thing (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 07:39:13 AM EST
    Surely this will give Breyer the b!tch slap needed for him to stop diddling and dawdling waiting to die on the bench.

    The thing about Texas "going blue," (none / 0) (#144)
    by Peter G on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 10:57:21 AM EST
    however, is that the fastest growing bloc of new Dems in Texas is Latinx, and many of them are anti-abortion-rights for religious reasons, even when they are otherwise socially liberal.

    Speaking as a Roman Catholic, ... (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 03, 2021 at 05:58:11 PM EST
    ... I think Roman Catholicism is often the gift of perpetual guilt trips that keeps on giving. While I appreciate that many Catholics have taken activist roles in alleviating the plight of the poor, there are some particular issues -- such an LGBTQ rights and women's reproductive choice -- in which I prefer to trust my own judgment and keep my own counsel. And my personal belief in the separation of state and church is paramount, and it supersedes any religious dogma or doctrine.

    Yes (none / 0) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 11:53:47 AM EST
    I was very surprised how much of that vote Cheeto got.  The republicans most impressive superpower is getting people to toe against their own interest.

    One thing we democrats will not be able to do because it by definition involves dishonest intent.  We don't do dishonest intent well.  Fortunately.


    Damn (none / 0) (#147)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 11:57:01 AM EST
    getting people TO VOTE against their interests.

    Buzzkill Mitch (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 05:03:51 PM EST
    McConnell Says Biden Won't Be Impeached

    September 1, 2021 at 2:19 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 104 Comments

    Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said that "there isn't going to be an impeachment" of President Joe Biden over the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan, CNN reports.

    Said McConnell: "I think the way these behaviors get adjusted in this country is at the ballot box. The President is not going to be removed from office with a Democratic House and a narrowly Democratic Senate. That's not going to happen."

    Reality Therapy (none / 0) (#126)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 05:17:34 PM EST
    Moscow Mitch and now former Republican Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan says Joe Biden won the election of 2020 fair and square.

    The Amusement Park ( movie) (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 01, 2021 at 07:31:44 PM EST
    I only googled this after accidentally running across it on SHUDDER.
    It is a truly strange and disturbing thing.  As surreal as anything Fellini.  A piercing observation about aging.  This review and others are from 2021 when it got a 4K restoration.

    George A. Romero, like a lot of independent artists, had to die before he was taken seriously. He was influential, which became the most unfortunate stop gap to his being taken seriously.

    By 1978 he'd save himself from the brink by collaborating with Italian filmmaker Dario Argento on the long awaited sequel "Dawn of the Dead," but it was touch and go for most of the decade. Sometime in 1973, a Pittsburgh-based organization called Lutheran Services approached the hometown hero to ask if he'd shoot something for them about the myriad ways society discriminates against the elderly. Eager to work, Romero agreed. "The Amusement Park" so appalled the Lutherans that they refused to release it. Romero didn't have the time or energy to fight them and moved on. It is only now being seen by the public almost a half-century later, having played in New York this past weekend.

    In a world kinder to artists like Romero, the rediscovery of this lost film would be an event on par with the restoration of Orson Welles' "The Other Side of the Wind."

    Ebert dot com

    I was just out (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 11:56:13 AM EST
    I have been noticing a very interesting thing.  Masks.  EVERYWHERE.
    More masks than I have ever seen since the beginning of this.  Masks in places I never saw masks before.

    I guess watching your friends and relatives die choking is motivational.

    Better late than never, I suppose. (5.00 / 3) (#181)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 04, 2021 at 05:35:25 PM EST
    But your state has paid a pretty steep price for betting on the right-wing crackpots. Seeing these recent numbers coming out of GOP-led states is both infuriating and heartbreaking.

    Look at what Republicans have done these past five years. They've colluded with foreign powers to interfere in our elections. They've made white nationalism and racism fashionable again. They sacked the U.S. Capitol. They're restricting voting rights in many states to an intolerable degree. And now, they've effectively hamstrung our country's COVID response for nothing more than political malice and spite.

    I mean, for Heaven's sake, how badly do Republicans have to f*ck things up before we collectively wake up and recognize them as the single most potent domestic threat to our democracy and security since Robert E. Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia swept the Union Army from the field at 2nd Bull Run?

    Okay, that's enough ranting. It's 12:50 p.m. and it's a nice day outside, so I'm going to putter around our yard and garden like a nice 60-year-old and pick tangerines from our tree before the birds get to most of them. It produced a heavy crop of fruit this season. We had a good mango season, too.



    My (none / 0) (#149)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 01:19:47 PM EST
    benchmarks, Publix and Walmart are both back up to 90% or so.

    Sometimes it feels we are living in a giant sociological experiment.


    The mask leader here (none / 0) (#151)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 01:24:57 PM EST
    Walmart, has mostly always been around that.  The thing is around here you rarely saw a mask anywhere else.  That's just the way it's been.

    No more.


    My (none / 0) (#150)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 01:19:54 PM EST
    benchmarks, Publix and Walmart are both back up to 90% or so.

    Sometimes it feels we are living in a giant sociological experiment.


    I keep hearing bobble heads (none / 0) (#155)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 05:12:41 PM EST
    go on about how surprising it is that a guy like Larry Elder is leading in the Newsom recall.  He's not a "California Republican" they say.  

    I call BS.

    Anyone who has lived there and dealt regularly with the local  right wingers knows this is BS.

    in the years I was at Digital Domain, this is really at the beginning of the rise of social media,  almost a decade before the founding of Facebook, we had a "social mailing list"

    It was called "The Life List".  You could be on it or not.  It was a forum for discussing all things.  I spent most of the time battling the right wingers.  Serious, rabid right wingers.  Educated intelligent highly paid right wingers.  

    I have thought many times those people were just waiting for Trump.

    Anyway.  The republicans in CA are f'ing nuts.  It's one reason they have lost everything.  

    Larry Elder is NOT an unusual California Republican.  One reason he will lose.

    When I and several others (none / 0) (#156)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 05:14:43 PM EST
    left DD for Disney in 1995 we took The Life List with us.  And happily left most of the right wingers behind.

    Larry Elder (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by BGinCA on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 05:24:57 PM EST
    It's misleading to say that Elder is 'leading' in the Newsom recall. Due to bizarre and constitutionally suspect California election law Elder can become governor by winning -by a plurality- what is essentially a Republican primary. Newsome can be recalled despite having about 48% of the electorate voting to retain him and Elder will become governor with app 23% of the vote.
    And yes he is a typical California Republican. Just drive through the Central Valley or spend a day at the OC beach.

    That's true (none / 0) (#160)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 05:32:44 PM EST
    MSNBC just said he Newsom is above 50 in most polls and substantially above in several.

    I do not think Elder will become Governor.  It might have happened once upon a time.  Oddly I think the experience of the Davis recall and Gov Arnold is working in Newsoms favor.


    As I noted above, ... (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 09:08:42 PM EST
    ... the Public Policy Institute of California  poll released yesterday shows state voters rejecting the GOP's effort to recall Gov. Newsom by a pretty decisive 58-39% margin. PPIC is the gold standard for reliable polling in California.

    I just heard every CA voter (none / 0) (#161)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 05:40:40 PM EST
    got a mail in ballot.  I'm pretty sure that was not the case in 2003 with Davis.
    I'm not sure because I never registered to vote there.  I've always been registered here.

    Anyway I suspect if everyone got a mail in ballot Arnold would have remained an actor.


    Yes, each registered voter in CA should (none / 0) (#168)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 03, 2021 at 12:40:19 AM EST
    have received a mail-in ballot.  No stamp required. Covid.

    And, you can track your ballot online (none / 0) (#172)
    by MKS on Fri Sep 03, 2021 at 02:10:33 PM EST
    When it was retrieved by the Postal Service, when it was delivered to the County and even when it was counted.

    My vote was counted a couple of weeks ago.


    Mine too. Kind of surprising (none / 0) (#174)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 03, 2021 at 04:10:07 PM EST
    with DeJoy's USPS.

    P Wire (none / 0) (#176)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 03, 2021 at 04:55:02 PM EST

    Mail-In Ballots Look Good for Gavin Newsom

    September 3, 2021 at 5:36 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 16 Comments

    Joshua Spivak looks at the mail-in balloting in the California recall election and sees mostly good news for Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) so far -- with a few caveats.

    Also (none / 0) (#157)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 05:21:44 PM EST
    When I returned to Digital Domain in 2004 for my second tour the Digital Domain Life List was still a thing.  Almost all of the same right wingers were still there.  And Arnold was Governor so they were insufferable.

    Funny story.  On the day I returned and announced myself on The Life List after being gone for years 2 guys publicly announced they were leaving because I was back.

    It was a very proud moment for me.


    Leaving the list (none / 0) (#159)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 05:27:15 PM EST
    not the company.

    How nuts are SoCal Republicans? (none / 0) (#173)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 03, 2021 at 03:21:17 PM EST
    Rather than have to live in diverse and thriving communities, they've bailed on places like Pasadena, Glendale and Eagle Rock and chose instead to move to Lancaster, Victorville, Bakersfield and St. George, UT.

    It was a long time coming, but in obvious retrospect it was also inevitable. When I was growing up in Pasadena, its City Council was rock-ribbed GOP white male conservative, and the most popular weeknight news broadcast in the L.A. market was KTTV's George Putnam - THIS George Putnam.

    (As the late actor Ted Knight later disclosed, Putnam was his inspiration when getting into character as the pompous airhead news anchor Ted Baxter on "The Mary Tyler Moore Show.")

    Putnam was 100% pure and unapologetic white retrograde conservative. The people who watched and listened to him tended to long for that fleeting post-Second World War II era from 1948-65, when white men were dominant and could always count on white privilege, white women of good taste and refinement aspired to have no aspirations outside home and family, and people of color knew enough to shut up and remember their place. The civil rights movement and backlash to the Vietnam War just blew their minds, and they simply couldn't wrap their heads around any of it.

    When he was in his late 80s and at the end of his life and broadcast career in the late 1990s, Putnam was The Simpsons' "Old Man Shakes Fist at Clouds", and his audience was left behind by a California that evolved around them and away from them, often in spite of them.

    And so, rather than deal with it, they moved away to the desert.


    What a random comment. (none / 0) (#175)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Sep 03, 2021 at 04:34:15 PM EST
    You hold Pasadena up as some shining star?!

    "Diverse and thriving?" Sure, for some.

    Sure, the rich as f*ck 4th, 5th, 6th generation Pasadenistas are still thriving there regardless of their political leanings. They'll only leave their 15,000 square foot Craftsman masterpieces when they die.

    As Pasadena's real estate boomed over the decades, a bunch of middle-class people retired and sold their homes for what seemed like crazy money and left the 110's traffic jams, downtown's blowing trash, and the city-wide NYC-style parking sh!tshow, and bought twice as big homes on 4x the acreage elsewhere.

    And remember, Pasadena was desert too, before it got all built up and got planted with all the grass and trees that you love so much which now demand billions of gallons of water per year regardless of how bad our drought gets.

    Pasadena is ranked 2nd in CA (behind SF) for the highest concentration of income among the wealthiest residents, and also 2nd for the largest gap between the richest and poorest households. Pasadena's "middle-class" is tiny and continuing to dwindle more every year.

    Why? Because, among other things, of city policies that fuel gentrification and skyrocketing housing costs across the board.

    Oh yeah, the city has been run by Democrats for the past 40 years.

    Lastly, this is from wiki:

    Portrayed by Ted Knight, the Baxter character is a broad parody of a vain, shallow, buffoonish TV personality. Knight's comedic model was actor William Powell, and he also drew on various Los Angeles newscasters, including George Putnam, to shape the character.[1]

    When I was growing up, L.A. County ... (none / 0) (#182)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 04, 2021 at 05:43:15 PM EST
    ... was solidly Republican. Geez, L.A.'s mayor was Sam Yorty. It only really started to tilt Democratic in the early 1970s, after Tom Bradley ousted Yorty from City Hall. Pasadena had a Republican congressman until 2000, when Adam Schiff defeated the incumbent James Rogan. Today, the GOP isn't even competitive there.

    I won't live to see it. (none / 0) (#162)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 05:51:08 PM EST
    But I predict the US will no longer exist as a country in 30 years.

    If things (none / 0) (#163)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 07:03:21 PM EST
    keep going the way they are yes but we have a chance to stop it.

    On (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by FlJoe on Thu Sep 02, 2021 at 09:19:41 PM EST
    my darker days I think it's inevitable. I was in a lighter mood before the media's hysterical coverage of Afghanistan and the summary execution of Roe vs.Wade.

    Lisey's Story (none / 0) (#178)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 04, 2021 at 08:53:54 AM EST
    I finally got Apple+.  There's some good stuff.  "See" is great.

    But Lisey's Story, I understand the mixed reviews.  And even the bad reviews.  A little.

    It's clear to a fan what this is.  This is said to be Kings favorite story of everything he has ever written.  It's like he said, this time, this one time, it's going to be exactly as written.  And it really is.   More than anything I've ever seen.  It's amazing how well they create exactly what the book describes.  He wrote all 8 episodes.

    The thing is some of it just doesn't work that well if you have not read the book.  I think everyone who loved the book will love this series.

    I'm pretty sure, considering how many King stories have been filmed, King knew this would be the effect.  In a way maybe it's the point.  It's totally a passion project.

    I loved it.  Thing is Lisey's Story is way down on my list of favorite King books.  This somehow makes me like it more.  The second time.

    Remember the anti vaxxer (none / 0) (#183)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 06, 2021 at 02:56:54 PM EST
    I mentioned living in my brother in laws basement?

    He has covid.  I just found out not sure how serious it is.  I think he just found out.

    Hope your bil stays safe. (none / 0) (#184)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 06, 2021 at 04:24:14 PM EST
    Thanks (none / 0) (#185)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 06, 2021 at 05:10:22 PM EST
    Honestly, with his response to all this and his actions over the last few weeks - I'm way less concerned about his welfare, as in no more Fs to give, and more concerned about my sisters.

    I'm trying to not think about it.


    One interesting thing (none / 0) (#186)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 06, 2021 at 05:19:47 PM EST
    I've mentioned a few time there are people I monitor on Facebook as a sort of "windsock of crazy".

    His, the antivaxxer in the basement, paternal grandmother is one of the monitored.

    In the last 24 hours her hourly posts have (mostly) changed from covid is a hoax to Biden killed 13 soldiers and should be executed.  And similar.

    A noticeable departure from the subject of covid.  

    Still processing I suspect.  And watching for symptoms I'm sure.  I know the guy sees her almost daily.  I'm sure she knows she has been exposed in a big way.

    Watch this space.


    A microcosm. (none / 0) (#187)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 06, 2021 at 08:13:24 PM EST
    They called me (none / 0) (#190)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 06, 2021 at 09:12:51 PM EST
    they took him back to the hospital.

    Pain and class (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 28, 2021 at 08:07:04 PM EST
    I find this fascinating and entirely believable

    The study began with a simple test to see how a person judges the pain of someone else when they are only aware of their socioeconomic status. The first trial included 126 participants who viewed and rated perceived pain sensitivity across 18 pain scenarios for 20 white male subjects - represented by neutral images of their faces and information about their jobs.

    Those with low-income jobs and lower levels of education were generally rated as feeling less pain than those who ostensibly held high-income jobs and higher levels of education, even when they were said to hurt themselves in the exact same way.

    In a slight variation on the experiment where no photos were shown and only a story was read with descriptions of subjects such as "low-SES white females", 248 participants found individuals with a lower socioeconomic status to be less sensitive to pain than those with a higher socioeconomic status, even when their described injury was exactly the same.

    Follow-up trials included factors like sex and race to see how these variables might interact with the results. While Black patients and female patients tended to have their pain dismissed more than white and male patients, the authors found social status actually subsumed these other biases.


    Sounds like the participants (none / 0) (#199)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 29, 2021 at 10:58:05 PM EST
    had more empathy for the suffering of higher SES people, just as they have more admiration for higher SES people.

    It ties-in with the American mythology of the virtuous and diligent always being rewarded with material 'blessings' in this life.